₦airaland Forum

Creamypie:
I will advise the east to carve out a state from their east. We Deltans will not vote on the referendum to join nnamdi kanu ipob. They should stop jubilating in the east.ned nwoko has not told his deluded followers the truth about the process

You will not vote, na for Nairaland e end. You no know how far with the story. Already the process has gone very far and enjoys widespread support from Delta North and the rest of the SE. So if you are from Delta North as a whole, i.e, Ukwuani, Igbanke, Agbor, especially, kuku know say you are an Igbo from the South east. If you do tufiakwa, na for nothing. Those are majorly the people who claim that they are not Igbo, yet they speak Igbo in one form or the other and bear Igbo names.

By the way, if you no like, there’s a process called de-naturalization. You can kuku change your name and relocate to Benin or Ijebu Ode. If you like you can relocate to Okerenkoko, Agenebode, Ughelli or Agbaroh.

Ezewuzie01:
We said it that only Anioma state will enjoy widespread Igbo support. Proponents of failed ideas like Orlu state, Aba state, Etiti state etc are enemies of Ndi Igbo.

I think so.

Carving Anioma state out of Delta state makes more sense than carving another Igbo state out of the Southeast with five states already. Taking Anioma into the Southeast will be more beneficial to the Igbo nation.

It is not hidden that having Asaba as the capital of Delta state was never supported by the others in Delta Central and Delta South. When the old Bendel state was partitioned into two states, IBB’s government should have completed the partition into three states because of homogeneity. Primordial politics player its part and here we are today. The fear of domination by the other parts of the SE paled its own part too. Even some people of Delta Central who claim that they are not Igbos are either ignorant of history proving their ancestry or are simply mischievous.

The efforts of Senator Ned Nwoko and those who started the agitation long ago should be commended and supported until the process succeeds.

Exousiang01:
Look at how you twisted the headline.
You made it look like they were dethroned for attending the campaign.
Why didn't you state in the headline that they went in capacity of chiefs and not private, why didn't you state that they were impersonating the king, acting as his representatives without his knowledge.

Unfortunately you will get the fuulls you targeted.

We all know how -intelligent Obidients are and you have capitalized on that.

Its a pity what the media has become in Nigeria it just so unfortunate

They attended a campaign event, as clearly stated in the post. If the Chiefs did not mention the name of the Monarch at the campaign ground, then they were acting absolutely within their own rights, which the Monarch breached by suspending them. Freedom of association is enshrined in the constitution.

Now the Ojora should be talking about the communities within his kingdom. The whole of Ijora which falls within his authority is a slum. It has been so since Nigeria became a country. Apapa and Ajeromi also fall within his area. Some parts of Orile and probably Amukoko fall within his kingdom, I think. He should concern himself with bringing development to those areas that are complete slum.

It is improper to witch-hunt the Chiefs who probably were invited by friends or family to the event. The Monarch cannot force his choice party on people in the area, as those areas are LP strongholds too.

It is a shame that our politics is so sore. Democracy thrives when people have alternatives and can choose the candidates that they prefer. Leaders must not force people on us, starting with councillors. We do not know our councillors or LG chairmen. LG elections concern the grassroots. Let the citizens have the freehand to choose the LG leaders. Monarchs should face their kingdoms everywhere in the whole country.

What a shame? Imagine that such a thing happens in an LP controlled state? I thought that monarchs were not supposed to get involved in politics.

Anyway, they can keep promoting LP with such wrong moves.

You advise people to apply through the NIS website making it so simple, yet it is not so. Get to any immigration office, speak to any immigration officer about a passport. Next thing they take you to a business center to fill the forms and process online using the computers of the business centers. How can they talk of privacy, when their officials stand in breach of the rules and do not care.

They must first put an end to immigration officers taking applicants to business centers to fill forms and ensure that all process are done within their offices.

DeathParade:
No, you don't. Read on to see how much of a rookie you are bro.



You have very little idea what you are talking about. This is apparent from two different instances in your post above:
1.) Its Gandhi, not Ghandi.
2.) The Mahatma Gandhi (Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi) and the in-laws of Sonia Gandhi (i.e the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty) are completely unrelated. They just happen to have the same last name.

The mistakes you made above are usually made by total rookies who have never read about Indian 20th century history. I can't take your claims about "knowing it all" seriously when you make rookie mistakes.


We can and we will. A visa or a naturalization citizenship is not your Right. Its a privilege. India extends this privilege at its own discretion. Nobody stopped Nigeria from doing the same. If Indians are out in the world seeking economic opportunities wherever they can find, that is their right. And you and your country are well within their rights to allow or deny this opportunity to the Indians within the borders of your own nation state.

This is not called being selfish. If there is a person, say his name is ABC. If ABC has opened his house to all those who want to visit it and is giving everyone the permission to freely roam around inside his house for 5 days, then if you benefit from that by visiting his house, that is your resourcefulness. Now if ABC starts demanding that you should also open your house similarly, what will be your reaction? It will be "no" of course. And then if ABC starts calling you "selfish"? Won't you tell ABC that he is free to not open his house to everyone but not free to dictate how your house should be run?

Visa is a privilege. Stop acting entitled. Instead, grow a backbone and learn to say NO to the countries who you think are exploiting Africa. This is how we Indians are doing it too. We have learnt to say NO firmly, be it USA asking that we allow their Pfizer vaccine or Monsato GMO seeds or Amnesty International in, or be it China wanting access to our market to supply Chinese equipment to security critical sectors like Indian Telecom and Power Grid. We Indians say NO to the faces of the Imperial, neo colonial nations. I'd be pretty happy if Africans and Nigerians learnt to say NO instead of being victims and then lashing out and calling others selfish. For a multi polar world, or its critical that the exploitation of Africa stops. That Africa learns how to say NO.

Unlike USA or China, India is not conducting state sponsored exploitation of Africa. If there are Indians that are taking advantage of the gaps in your system, its their personal agenda, not the agenda of all Indians. Case in point, the Gupta family accused of State Capture in South Africa. The Indian government did not protect this family. They instead complied with the requests of the South African government and raided the assets of the Gupta family in India. Imagine the Americans or Chinese doing that. They won't. Yet you people club India together with the imperialist nations of USA and China. You forget that unlike USA or China, India has no deep state. That India is just like Nigeria. Individually, Indians might be nefarious and selfish, but the entire nation of India isn't so.

Stop beating about the bush please. I am very certain what I am talking about, except you want to keep telling yourself that lie. Once again, I can stand you cannot lecture me on Indian culture, people and history. You can elect to discuss it face to face with me. Go to the streets and know what it feels like in the streets, with FRRO chasing and arresting both the innocent and guilty. If the same is visited on Indians in Africa, how will it feel?

Whether it is Gandhi or Ghandi, it remains the same family that I am talking about. If there’s a rookie here, it is you. You can only tell uninformed people that Nehru and the Ghandis are unrelated, or you just want to use it to fill the pages. Those of us who are not Indians know it.

Unfortunately, you do not know that aside from Indians, there are people who have followed the history of not just the Indian nation, but the rest of Asia, not just by reading only, but physically visiting. Once again, I put it to you that there’s absolutely nothing that you want to tell me about the Indian nation, people and culture. I have not only read Indian history, I have followed Indian history, people and culture, pre and post colonialism.

That said, stop deceiving yourself. If Indians have been saying NO to countries that have rejected them visa application, they will not repeated find their way back to Nigeria or other African countries, where they find more favorable financial packages than they find in India. Please ask anyone walking the streets of Delhi, Mumbai, or even Chandigarh, if Indian citizens do not spend a lot of time eating chapati, with coffee and reading newspapers in search of jobs in African countries. Those who find it costlier or more difficult to get into Europe or the USA, make their way to Africa or middle eastern countries, in search of better lives. Nobody blames them at all, as it is within their rights as humans to find very good living conditions. Afterall, no one should expect perfect living conditions in a nation of over 1 billion people. Not everyone in the country has the opportunity to live fantastic lives.

If Indians have said NO to the Chinese, why then is China the biggest trading partner of the Indians?

Read the below:

India and China have a complex economic relationship, with trade and investment flowing between the two nations despite geopolitical tensions. Here are some key aspects:

- Trade Volume: China is India's largest trading partner, with bilateral trade reaching $136.2 billion in 2023 and $138.48 billion in 2024, with China's exports to India valued at $120.48 billion and imports from India at $17.997 billion.
-Trade Imbalance: India has a significant trade deficit with China, with imports from China rising by 3.24% to $101.7 billion and exports increasing by 8.7% to $16.67 billion in the fiscal year 2024.
- Investment: Chinese investment in India has shown signs of recovery, with China's direct investment in India reaching $42.05 million in 2023, a 324.4% year-on-year increase. China's cumulative direct investment stock in India stood at $3.21 billion as of 2023.
- Key Sectors: China is a vital supplier of industrial goods to India, particularly in:
- Electronics: China exports machinery, components, and intermediate goods to support India's infrastructure development and consumer electronics demand.
- Pharmaceuticals: India relies heavily on China for Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (APIs), with imports valued at $2.288 billion in 2023, a 27.75% year-on-year increase.
- Renewable Energy: China's strength in price-competitive manufacturing makes it a reliable source for inputs in green tech.
- Mutual Investment: Indian companies have established operations in China across various sectors, including pharmaceuticals and manufacturing, while over 100 Chinese companies are active in India, particularly in infrastructure and electronics.
-Diplomatic Efforts: The two countries have made efforts to improve relations, including the 31st round of the China-India border affairs consultation mechanism, which led to a mutual agreement on partial troop withdrawal and initiatives to revive cross-border trade”

Why has Narendra Modi been cross crossing Europe, Asia in search of improved diplomatic and economic relationships with the countries that he has visited? He will be visiting Ghana and Namibia starting from tomorrow and the 9th.

Visa is not a right, but a privilege. However, once again, do not expect to benefit in leaps from me and expect that I should be oppressed by you in return.

brain54:
Reno has a sickening obsession for Peter obi...


However obi sounds like a desperate politician that would do or say anything to get elected!

The fellow long lost respect and is just hanging. The same delusion against Tinubu, yet begging for an appointment. If the same Peter Obi wins, he will beg. We all know that begging for appointments is his stock in trade. He has never and can never contest an election in his Itsekiri homeland.

Someone who was not faithful to GEJ. Reno Omokri was one of GEJ’s PAs. The same Atiku collaborated with Buhari and Tinubu to remove GEJ from power, the government Reno Omokri was serving in. When GEJ lost, he joined Atiku, who was in APC, when GEJ was removed. He became one of Atiku’s PAs. They went into the 2023 election against Tinubu’s APC and lost. The same Reno Omokri abandoned Atiku and started praising Tinubu, the man that he happily always called drug lord. Who should listen to such an inconsistent fellow. Painfully for him, Obi does not respond to him. He is deeply pained. Ignoring him should be enough to tell him who he is… a yeye person.

A man who cannot influence his own people or even have any influence in Delta state, is telling Nigerians in the north not yo vote for Obi. He is not a politician. He has no stake. He has nothing in the nort as a whole. While he is deceiving himself, he should refer to the last elections and see the influence of Obi in Plateau, Nassarawa and Kaduna states. Please ge should be told to try out his hands in the local government elections in Delta state as a councillor first.

fergie001:
Nothing can be done. Anyanwu was the last card and the ticket don cut.
Wike has triumphed 100%, with both Secretary & Chairman. He will decide everything in the next Convention. If you cannot cope, get out of the Party.

Everything revolves around the Secretary, opponents of Wike will defect definitely. Watch out for Mbah & Diri.

Sorry Fergie, but I choose to disagree with you now. Looking at the way it stands, I think that several big players have woken up and will compete against Wike. As it stands, none will allow Wike have his way in that simple way anymore. I do not think that he will be allowed to pick the next secretary and chairman anymore. They all have seen the handwriting and will fight him money for money.

Mbah knows that he is in danger with the image of Obi and LP looming large behind him. For me it may amount to political suicide bring Enugu, a complete PDP state to APC. A wrong move will simple play until the hands of Labour Party. If Obi leaves LP, then his crowd will move with him to the next party.

In all, let’s see how they all play do their political arithmetic.

fergie001:
Welcome to APC, Governor Ndubuisi Peter Mbah

The Progressive Family welcomes you.

Finally it boiled down to what I had been talking about. There was no need to be careless. Wike was waiting for the opportunity to further decimate the party. The issue of the secretary finally resolved and now to the next NEC meeting in July. They found common grounds.

Now to plan how to cut off Wike’s vice like grip over the party and minimize the losses.

ratcock:
The beauty of all these is that Okwute has never for once dignified the omockry of a cl0wn with a response.

A man who was one of the PAs to GEJ. He was with GEJ when Atiku co-joined forced with Buhari and Tinubu to remove his then boss GEJ. All the while he was calling Tinubu all sorts of horrible names. When GEJ lost, he wormed his way into the camp of Atiku and became a PA again, still abusing Tinubu. Now he has started eulogizing the same Tinubu.

If Obi wins, he will abandon Tinubu quickly and seek for the usual PA job.

I think we should call him either Chief PA or President of the association of PAs.

DeathParade:
I talk about insurgency in India and you say Hindu nationalism? And then you want me to take you seriously?

As for your point any Indians getting citizenship in African countries easily, well like I said before. You guys should sort this out with your own governments. You people are well within your rights to refuse Indians seeking citizenship in your country. Same for the Chinese or Lebanese. I know that both India and Africa have suffered foreign occupation. That is why I come to this forum. To learn more about Nigerian struggles. So that we may see eye to eye when it comes to defeating the nefarious designs of our old enemies. Yet all I find here regarding India is half truths or bold faced lies about my country, and therefore I try to correct, to provide context. What you call Hindu nationalism, is a boogeyman label given by the West to the Indian movement that is spearheading our civilizational revival. What will follow is a churn. Where India will look inwards and try to rediscover its roots. We don't have the intent to allow immigrants of even more foreign cultures into our land especially when we are having this introspection, this churn. Especially when the enemy is trying to infiltrate and disrupt this process by any means necessary because that is how they weakened us in the first place.

If anything, Africans should be having their own Cultural revival, similar to the so called Hindu nationalism movement. But for that, you need to look past Western and Globalist propaganda and understand what is actually happening in India. Which is difficult even for those like me, let alone a foreigner. Similar propaganda is wielded against many African nations to destroy the cultural revival of African nations. I would rather welcome that you guys send the Indian immigrants to your nations back to India. As long as you are doing it properly and with a goal in mind of overthrowing Western hegemony and resisting Chinese hegemony. I want to see a truly multipolar world. Look at my previous posts on this forum. That is what I have always said. Oh, and you're wrong brother. I'm not Nigerian. I am fully Indian. Never left India. Ever. Check all my posts, you'll realize it.

As for why Indians leave "if we have it so good here in India," who said we have it good? 16% of our population is still in poverty as per the UN report on MPI 2022. But material wealth is not the main factor in our bid to introspect, in the churn, in our quest for Hindutva. Stop conflating the two. This introspection is only beginning right now. It will go on for more than a century at least. I feel like you have no idea what I'm talking about. Not your fault though, you're saturated by anti India propaganda from globalist media outlets.

My point tl;dr is very simple. Nigeria and India should both set their citizenship rules solely with their respective national grand strategies in mind. India is doing this already, to an extent. Don't know about Nigeria.

And please, stop with the Google trope. I asked you to Google Sonia Gandhi after your claims of for unfair Indians take PM position in UK but no foreigner will ever get close to that power in Indian politics. Sonia is a direct antithesis to your argument. You are the one who needs to Google it up. Not me. I already got tired of hearing her speak Hindi with that funny accent in the 10 years before Modi.

At least your tone is more respectful now than your previous response.

Without having clear knowledge of India, I would never dare talk about the country. Please note that my father had business transactions with Indian companies and individuals since the 1970s, importing bicycles from India and selling in Nigeria. Also he has other Indian associates in England, who engaged in the trade of rice, frozen fish and spare parts for vehicles. We have a long business and personal relationships with Indians, so I know what I am talking about.

I make the comment about Hindu nationalism, not in a derogatory manner or disrespectfully, but in response to your comment about insurgency in India. It was simply to let you know that when put on a scale with insurgencies in West Africa particularly, the measure is clear, in that it is worse far worse on this side. However, the fact of the issues about cultural values, has not swept aside the challenges with the minorities in the country. It is glaring for all to see, aside from other forms of groups troubling the areas previously mentioned.

Sure, African nations are beginning to wake up to the realization of the many years of abuse from foreign nations. However, it must be noted that there is a form of neo colonialism going on presently with Asians getting deeply involved. Indians play a major role, just like the Chinese. Africans are beginning to take a look at the erosion of the cultural values and civilization by foreign nations, beginning with the tampering with their religious beliefs. Hopefully you have heard several times that some of the world’s rarest earth minerals are found in Africa. Why should Asians, Europeans and Americans sleep, when they know that Africans can be exploited endlessly?

I am not too particular about that. But I have insisted that for the sake of fairness, immigration rules should be with some human face in India. Granted that Indians want to retain their culture and civilization, consideration must be given to foreigners who for legitimate reasons overstay they visas. It is the practice everywhere you go. If there is no way to change that, then the Dubai model can be applied, with foreigners allowed visas of 5 - 10 years. The same applies in Malaysia, where foreigners can apply for 10 years visas if they meet the required financial standard. That way, FRRO does not have to run around the streets with their tiny jeeps looking for those to arrest and deport for flimsy excuses.

The fact remains that relationships between two or more nations cannot and must not be conducted on the bases of biases, with one nation wanting to lock out people from other nations, residing in their own country to either work, or do genuine businesses. You cannot say that it is up to us to make our decision to lock Indians out of our country, when daily at the newspaper stands on the streets of India, your citizens are seeking for job opportunities everywhere. Nigeria is a prime target because salaries are able to pay their bills in Nigeria and more than enough can be remitted to India to keep the family going. You cannot be protecting your civilization on one hand and expect to export same civilization to my own country, benefitting from my country and not wanting me to profit from yours. Certainly that’s improper. Again, India is not a hamit nation like China before the turn of the 18th century.

I made reference to google because you first mention it to me. You asked me to research Sonia Ghandi and I responded to you. What you do not know is that I followed Jawaharlal Nehru and the Ghandis in history for many years, studying their brands of politics and leadership. There’s nothing to tell me about Sonia Ghandi, as I followed her personally, including the entire Ghandi family, starting with Mohandas Karamchad Ghandi. I can discuss the Ghandis all day.

That’s the way to go. That should create additional jobs for citizens.

Putindbutt:
See him in a turban, chai God is a God of mercy.
Turji's boss and his cousin - killed

Turji's son - killed.. Does it mean the entire lineage of this guy are into terrorism & banditry. What a life!.

No. He’s making his family pay the price for his evil acts against the families of his victims. One reaps what he sows. He should not be expect to make others weep and then escape from weeping himself. Watching his family get wiped away one by one should make him speedily surrender, otherwise he’ll have nothing left.

Good to hear. Men are waking up and taking their destinies in their hands. They know that it’s either they fight or they die. Hopefully their efforts are supported by government and any planned saboteur among them is eliminated speedily.

Congratulations to citizens who are beginning to breathe the air of freedom. Hopefully such efforts can be replicated in the other parts of the country against herdsmen and other forms of terrorists.

Very good news to hear.

DeathParade:
Okay, so now that I called out your lie that Indians don't let foreigners get Indian citizenship or the lie that foreigners can't become powerful politicians in India, now you want to shift goalposts and claim that India's citizenship laws are too tough, huh? Alright. Let's get something straight here:

India does not need to comply with your arbitrary standards on citizenship and how hard or easy, in your subjective opinion, the process of naturalization needs to be. This is India's sovereign decision. We Indians have been ruled by foreigners for one entire millennium. We have been fighting a war to preserve our civilization. We will not allow another pseudo colonization of our lands. No more cultural subversion will be tolerated. The Republic of India did not tell you how your nation's immigration and naturalization policies should be. So stop trying to tell us how we should run our country. The numbers of insurgencies we face alone are enough to justify our hard naturalization policies. First try to live here, as a citizen, and then you'll realize.

West is a very different civilization and set of nations. They create policies that help the West. If they feel that Indians going there in large numbers is bad for them, they are free to enact laws against it. They do not do so because they benefit from it (or think that they do).

Comparing West and India is comparing apples and oranges. Its as asnine as comparing the repo rate or the cash reserve ratio between a developing and a developed country. They have a below replacement TFR. They are developed nations. Ofcourse they rely on immigration to shore up their numbers while also leveraging their better living standards to get the cream of another nation's population to migrate to them. This is a part of their strategy. In what world does such a strategy make sense in the Indian context?

Now coming to Nigeria, I don't know what your policies are. And if you feel they aren't fair, get your government to change them. Stop trying to tell us Indians how to run our own nation. Do what you think is right in your own nation. Think the Indians, Chinese, Lebanese have it to easy? Ask your government to make it harder. Do an Idi Amin. But don't pass false comments about India. You don't have the amount of knowledge needed to judge why India has set it's immigration process at a certain level of ease or difficulty. We have historical, civilizational, security and economic concerns for why we made our citizenship laws the way they are. And we won't blindly ape the West and their policies. We have something called self respect. This is the will of the people of India. That foreigners are free to come visit. But don't overstay your welcome. This is our land. And if you choose to be one of us, prove that you deserve it. Very few manage to prove that, and so the number is 21,000, not 21 Million.

Can you please show me the lie in all that I said Mr. Indian man? Don’t overstay your welcome, yet you have Indians who have long overstayed their welcome in African countries and still remain there. Such hypocrisy!

Is the reality on the streets in India the same as your google based submission? Or as an Indian national you rely also on google to inform you about happenings on the streets of the country? Do Africans especially have any regard in the eyes of Indian authorities right there in India?

Oga, stop deceiving yourself. You are certainly a Nigerian, who is poorly informed of real events on the streets of India. Your idea of immigration is very well lacking in all real proofs. At best you can only be an Indian who left his “civilization” in search of better living in Nigeria.

Indians fight a war to preserve their civilization and yet venture away from their own country, with their so called civilization to other countries. If it was so good out there in the country, why venture away in such magnitude? Indians can keep their civilization to themselves and let others stay peacefully in their nations.

While Indians are not Africans, you find Indians everywhere in Africa, securing African citizenships with ease. Please tell us how many Africans have obtained Indian citizenships in the last decade, as referenced by you. Can you please tell us how many Nigerians, central, north and South Africans who have obtained Indian citizenship in the last decade? You can also google that.

Which African country was spared the “millenniums” of ruling by foreigners? All African countries suffered the effects of colonialism. Now it is the invasion of Indians and other nations.

We know the issue with Naxalism, which is not common to India only. We know about long standing issue with Pakistan. We know that the rise in Hindu nationalism has been an issue with the minority Muslims and Christians. We know about the issue in Manipur and ISIS.But these all pale in significance to what happens in West Africa, yet it is far easier to obtain citizenships in African countries for Indians.

Truthfully, I am not in the position to dictate to the Indian government about their immigration rules. However I am entitled to my opinion about certain worrisome aspects. Shutting the mouth in the face of such concerns becomes an issue of its own. If people shut their mouths, then leaders carry on as they wish.

If you googled the Indian immigration policies, how were you not able to also look up the Nigerian immigration or citizenship rules. For your information the rules are made flexible inspite of the duration, enabling foreigners take their time to regularize their documents after the long stay. No one is ever molested, except they are caught in criminal acts. Nowadays it is common for Indian FRRO to pick up Africans at random, detain and deport them, even if their are not found in any criminal act.

fergie001:
What is the rule of law they are not following?

Can you tell us?



That's the problem. You are pretending you don't know why the police is there.

Did the Police tell you they are stopping the BoT meeting because of ground Rent?

But you know that fellow never has reasonable things to say.

Well now that they are congregating somewhere else, they are within the ambit of the law, as freedom of association and movement is allowed.

However, I somehow envisaged that it would come to this. I had the assumption that Damagun was already aligned with the Makinde side.

Let’s see how it goes today. Back to the court, I assume for PDP.

I have just one question:
Why is the party so docile in the face of several members of the state and national assemblies who have decamped to APC?

SmartyPants:
What I'm hearing from you right now is that you are struggling with imagining how a person hired to be a special adviser, might have influence by advising the person that hired them to offer advise?

Or let's call it PA and you don't know that a PA is often the most influential person through which to reach the boss?

Why bro? Why?

So if the person has several PAs, who should he listen to please? Governors, just like Presidents have several SAs and SSAs, which of them should have his ears more? Wike at a point employed 200,000 SAs. Which of them has Wike’s ears? Or did Wike have a special PA on selection and advise? If he has 5 or more PAs, which of them should be considered more influential. Tinubu has several PAs for example. So you assume that with PAs, his ability to take decisions personally is influenced by one PA or the other?

Oga why na? Sorry for ya small na.

SmartyPants:
You are rambling my dear fellow. There is still no such place where I have said Reno was the decider. If you read it like that e no concern me.

As for the rest, obviously there would be a central team responsible for collecting and submitting all documents, not just CVs, for both individuals.

Atiku asking for Obi's CV in this context is obviously more consistent with your earlier job candidate theory, which of course, itself was rather nonsensical.


The bottom line is Atiku was not convinced and Reno was in a position to influence him.

We don't need to argue. Reno has promised you more details. I wonder, will you be bold enough to admit you were wrong when the proof is provided?

That's a more serious takeaway from this meaningless back forth: a question that you may use to interrogate your own integrity when the time comes.

Good luck!

Hahaha. I just see you as one who attempts to bluff his way out of the clear reality of the matter. First refer to you previous comments. The “meaningless back and forth” is orchestrated by you.

“Obviously there would be a central team responsible for collecting and submitting…”. Thankfully you stated this yourself. If that was so, would it then no be clear to you that Reno’s job ended with receiving the CV and forwarding to whoever, including the Presidential candidate, who would vet and attach same to other documents, for onward presentation to INEC?

For your information bro, Reno Omokri was too little for that assignment. As clearly already mentioned years back, OBJ recommended Obi. Such a position was too big for a little known and inexperienced person like Reno Omokri, to as little as chip in a word. Atiku clearly stated in 2023 that he was handed 3 potential VP candidates to choose from. Why did Reno Omokri not tell him who to pick as his then PA too? In 1999, OBJ had 5 potential VP candidates, including Atiku himself. Where was little boy Reno? Tinubu submitted a list of 5 candidates and advised on Osinbanjo, who was his preferred candidate and handed over to Buhari. That’s what POLITICAL ONLY HEAVYWEIGHTS do. When political heavyweights are talking, where do you expect Reno as a PA to be?

By the way, why has Reno Omokri not tried to contest at least a local government election in his Itsekiri land, not to talk of Delta state as a whole? Why does he always have to act like an opportunistic football striker, who waits at the edge of the penalty box for others to do the hard work, and pass the ball to him to score?

DeathParade:
No idea what you are talking about. Nobody stopped you from applying for an Indian citizenship. 21,000 foreigners got Indian citizenship through naturalization in the previous decade.

The wife of a former Indian PM and the current leader of the most storied and largest Indian political party is an Italian- born, 100% Italian blooded woman by the name of Sonia Gandhi. Google her. She is THE biggest leader in Indian left wing and held power almost equal to the prime minister for 10 years before Modi. Not even people who live under a proverbial rock can claim not to know about her. Her husband, mother in law, grandfather in law were ALL PRIME MINISTERS OF INDIA. She is listed as one of the most powerful women in the world.

Most of your grievances seem imagined. Try not to form opinions before doing something as basic as a Google search.

So you do not know that on this forum, some of the people who you meet, have first hand experience about the issues talked about? You are looking at google and I am talking with experience as one who has visited and spent time in that country. You can continue with google if you choose, or you can learn from people who tell you what’s going on with the Indian immigration rules.

If 21,000 people have become citizens in one decade, does that not show you how poor rigid the process is? We are talking of millions of citizens from the rest of the world and not just Nigerians. India has a population of over 1.3 billion people and yet such poor amount of people have become citizens. Nigeria has 260 million people and with our rules, foreigners are well protected.

Do you want to talk of USA and Europe, where Indians scramble to get citizenships? You may contact the Nigerian high commission in India for verification and not google. That’s even more straight forward.

Foreigners may become Indian citizens by naturalisation after residing in the country for at least 12 years and renouncing any previous nationalities. This is the rule, yet it is extremely hard. With that rule, should people who intend to become citizens not have some documents to protect them, while they wait for the process to conclude?

Members of certain religious minority communities from neighbouring countries qualify for a reduced residence requirement of six years, yet even their Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Sri Lankan neighbors find it near impossible to achieve.

I am not aggrieved and there is no imagination here. I do not require and I never needed Indian nationality.
I am telling you the reality, as experienced first hand. You may seek for someone else who either has visited or spent time in India to tell you. Again, I have interacted with Indians right from when I was a little boy, right in Nigeria, India and other countries where I have visited. I know them as I have done business with them.

SmartyPants:
That's the part that tickles me the most about this whole denial business you people are doing and it is why I asked, is the position of VP one that you submit job applications for? Is this not something the principal sits down and arranges with his preferred choice man-to-man? Not only did he not do that, you are saying he sent it to his PA to receive it.

Okay, let's assume it was part of the process and Reno received it as PA. Don't you know that part of what a PA would do when they receive such is to screen out undesirable applications based on the criteria provided by their boss? There is zero logical reasoning why Reno had to receive the said CV before Atiku could look at it, except that he wanted Reno to first assess it.

My dear friend, rest. The picture is quite clear.

This is very funny.

“ But where did I say Reno was the decider? It is you who should do better than obvious strawman arguments.

I said he was the likely the convincer”

The above showed clearly how you’ve continuously contradicted yourself. On one hand you try to convince readers that Reno was in charge and on the other hand you said the above. That’s truly funny.

I am shell shocked that you asked if the job of the VP requires the candidate to submit an application. That’s a very embarrassing comment to make, coming from a young Nigerian like you. So you expect the Presidential candidate and his Vice to submit which documents to INEC? Who employs the President and his Vice? They employ themselves by your words? Do you not know that the VP candidate MUST tender his CV to the candidate, who in turn will submit it to the party. All required documents to be attached with the forms to be submitted to INEC? Na wah for you bros.

So you think that aside from sitting down one on one, CVS must not be submitted? If Tinubu and Shettima did not submit CVS, would they be there today? You dey funny too much my friend.

So you do not know that politicians at that level hire PAs who handle such issues? I wonder the basis of your continued argument, in the face of facts showed to you.

I see that you are truly thinking straight as you earlier said to someone.

SmartyPants:
But where did I say Reno was the decider? It is you who should do better than obvious strawman arguments.

I said he was the likely the convincer:

If he forwarded the CV to Reno, it must be that Reno was to scrutinize the CV [and then ostensibly give a report to the said Oga, and ostensibly, said report would logically have a bearing on the outcome of the entire discussion].

If you disagree, no problem, but I would like you to explain to me, logically, what Reno's job in receiving the CV was.

It is perfectly normal for bosses to ask those who are in search of employment to send their CVs to them through their PAs. That’s part of the job schedule of the PA. He’s there to attend to such personal matters, as the representative of the boss.

Now that in no way translates to the PA’s claim that he facilitated the employment. It will amount to a breach of confidentiality by the PA and possibly earn him a sack, if he remains with that same boss. This is not a matter for inexperienced people to talk about.

Reno’s received instruction was simple. He showed it in the email. The instruction was “receive the CV”. Next would be to forward to the boss for review and decision. It did not translate to facilitation to employ.
The instruction did not include asking Reno Omokri to scrutinize.

Read the below:

“A chieftain of the Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), on Monday, gave insight into the emergence of the Labour Party (LP) presidential candidate, Peter Obi as former Vice President Atiku Abubakar’s running mate on the PDP ticket in the 2019 elections.

The member of the Strategic Communications Directorate of the PDP Presidential Campaign Council (PCC), Anthony Ehilebo, who made a live appearance on Channels Television’s Sunrise Daily in 2023, said former President Olusegun Obasanjo recommended Obi for the slot.

“In 2019, he supported our candidate, former Vice President Atiku Abubakar, but I’ll tell you a backstory that people hardly know. People don’t even know that he was the one that recommended his present candidate of choice to Atiku Abubakar as a condition for supporting him in 2019.

“That was the plan: ‘have these two people run on the platform, so that you [Atiku] can mentor him and by the time he comes of age, he’ll be able to [run for president],”

So where is the evidence? Oga said send your cv to Reno and he did that. How does it translate to Reno Omokri facilitating the arrangement? What a meaningless claim.

The same Reno Omokri was the PA to Goodluck Jonathan. He was with Goodluck Jonathan when Atiku joined Tinubu and Buhari to remove Jonathan from power. When Jonathan left, Reno Omokri joined Atiku who teamed up to remove Jonathan. Atiku contested three times since then and lost. The same Reno Omokri left Atiku to team up with Tinubu, a man that he made so many derogatory remarks against.

Is it not time to tell himself that he’s a shameless fellow?

beerfraud:
India is over populated already why do you still want their citizenship if not longer throats?

Very important for you to go there. Bigger population, more skulls to hunt for you to improve your juju. Unfortunately as your work na to trek up and dan, you no fit see shishi to go.

DeathParade:
The last lines of your reply, you said two things: faster renewal of visas; easier to get Indian citizenship. Which one do you want? Citizenship or visa renewals? Thanks in advance.

Look, visa renewal, citizenship, whatever, they all should be opportunities granted to people of other nations to stay legitimately in their country. While others provide such opportunities for Indians, they cannot continue to make themselves a hamit nation. They have had an American Vice President and a British Prime minister. Such opportunities should be permitted to people of other nations.

If they can reside in other countries, renewing their visas easily and getting citizenships, while should they shut out others from their country?

beerfraud:
I’m a billionaire in making just like Gala seller in traffics

You see how your mouth come report you so? So gala selling pays you well? Always remember to carry your nylon bag along. One day na Lawma go help you return to ya village.

beerfraud:
you’re absolutely correct
I have not seen where Fulani and Hausa people being arrested in India

How can you see? How can you know? Have you ventured out of your one room one window house? Anyway, since you cannot afford transport fare, how can you talk about travelling around the country, not to talk of away from the country?

beerfraud:
the bottom line is that they don’t want you to develop their country with White powder again

Abi. Maybe they prefer that you use human head, body and sacrifices to develop their country. Do you know that they live such things. You can quickly join them with that your line of trade.

2cribz:
Naso person wey take colos come fund my trouble . blow my car body,I no talk anything. I dragged him off he went and called his friends.i held my stand and my matchette. A year later he was caught for robbery. I was the happiest on earth ,upon hearing the news. Imagine say I kick am that day..I for don dey jail...dey languish.
God forbid. Always avoid the devil and people who are posessed. Demons sef dey taya

A lot of people under this tenure are half dead,frustrated,broke,angry and have almost a filled up heart,filled of hate.... rot in jail .hahahahaha

You dey avoid devil, yet you carry machete for hand to fight? No be you be the devil so? Wetin you for take the machete do? You wan cut palm tree or you wan clear grass? Wetin concern machete inside your car? Abi you be farmer?

Body dey pepper everybody. We must all take an easy and let to treat others out there as if they are family. Be tolerant and slow to anger.

Nukilia:
Now that he has killed the customer, I hope he has been given a medal of honor...

He has just lost his freedom as he awaits his own death in the hands of the law.

Fighting anyone is not worth it ...

That’s his medal of honor! That hangman’s rope on his neck.

The fight was sorted and everyone thought there was peace, but the wicked and evil minded fellow felt that he must deal with the fellow for challenging him. That’s the identity of a cultist. Supremacy. If he did not leave his mark, he would not be respected. He went for the kill openly. Now he can no longer kill. While in prison for the rest of his life, he will reside with fellow killers.

Now he will live most of his left after his sentencing with the everyday fear of being called by the hangman to get the rope to his neck.

Some Indians are busy in the streets of Indian job hunting at the newspaper stands and targeting opportunities in Nigeria. While their wages in India are very poor, they look out for Nigeria where they can earn better salaries and remit to their country. A lot of the same Indians and Chinese reside in Nigeria illegitimately and unmolested by authorities. Many of them too to known to embezzle company funds and yet are not arrested.

Most Nigerians in India are not involved in any crime. It is only a minority who get involved. Indian government unfortunately makes renewal of visas very difficult in their country, otherwise nationals of other countries will not run into visa problems of overstay with the immigration. Knowing how expensive tickets and visa processes are, some choose to wait to do the shipments over periods of time, leading to overstay.

The problem must be addressed by the Indian government or parliament. It is absolute selfishness. While Indians are citizens of several other nationals, they hardly permit people of other nations be ine their citizens.

SeeWahala:
Very good. When I was living in warri, if you see what 12 - 18 year old girls were putting on and walking upandan the streets you'd marvel

As you dey talk of young ladies, why you no talk of yourself and other young men? As una dey sag so, dey carry blokos for left hand up, dey do hand like hanger to sag well well, una no know say that one sef na offence? As una dey carry shirt up dey waka for street to show chest, una no know say na offence? Make una no make mistake think say na only woman dem wan catch. Una sef join. As una dey hold big igbo for finger, na wahala. Colorado to smile am enter street dey bend like tree we breeze wan blow fall down, una don enter am there.