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On a serious note, Personality is not a trait that can be identified online. It is a person-on-person aspect. I.e one have to meet the person in question to know about their personality as such. As a result, I declare this thread a failure.

platinumnk:
Yaaaazaaa . . . grosssss! u put horrible images in my mind Well Im glad you have seen the light, welcome to the bright side

Wheres my congratulary gift

Once we meet. I promise. Unless you want an E.hug.

platinumnk:
Where have u been I missed you, ( I was going to call Interpol because someone had kidnapped you)
you could have helped raise more ballots for me
Im speaking perfect english my friend!

Yes thats the 2009 Romance Best Poster of the year  


btw- where is Sistawoman , she needs to share my champange!

I have been in Yemen for a Quran and Islamic training. I was about to undertake a mission, but the recent events in the news suggest I will be sleeping with 72 prisoners, who will be using me as their virgin. . . So I had a change of heart.

Omo na me. Look no where else.

bidemi12:
Overated ke!!! I have been married since i was 27 and 10 years on, it is the best decision i ever made (aside the decision to get the hell out of Naija). The thought of coming home every night to someone soft and cuddly? the thought of you always having a number 6 anytime and anywhere? absolutely wonderful.

I get all of those plus more without the need to marry. Oh on top of that, I can change and swap as I want. . . , Man, you gotta love the life of non-tied down unmarried man

sweetpie23:
who is really a beautiful woman?

One who do not post on nairaland.

Marriage is over-rated. It is nothing but a piece of paper forced upon us by society. The fact of the matter is that, some of us really do not need this piece of paper to function well in society.

platinumnk:
u have absent since when and u question? hmmmmmm ok thanks

Yes me absent long time. Me learnt monkey language too, but me no speak well.

I have no idea what you are saying.

PS
If that you in your photo?

Sky Blue:
Some people actually come online to get news, expecting this forum to hold what they feel will be the most urgent news which would potentially attract commentary from others; so no need to continue this tirade of yours.

Please point out such people to me and let's go through their posting style. I have a feeling a pattern will emerge [if such people exist]. I suppose you get your news from the Buka down your road, Or down at Macdonalds? Most likely, you get it from a news source of some kind. Besides, this is a forum for debating. It is useless to post an article without offering an opinion. You know, A LOT of people actually agree with my view point.

ibro911:
lol, ''uncle'' El, eat backside.
No 1. why ask the same question again when it has been previously explained a million and two times. you know, El, that's what you always do.
No 2. No, Muhammad wasn't the 'founder' of Islam and yes, he actually fought wars.
Look, the Prophet lived in harsh times. when you are continuously persecuted, hunted down and driven from your own town for peacefully practising your religion and peacefully preaching and trying to invite others. you realize, fighting back is necessary.
Islam is also not a religion that considers revenge a sin. if that is what you're looking for in a religion, too bad. i am completely OK with that.
dont get me wrong, revenge is not advised at all in Islam. it is just not a sin. a good muslim repays evil with good and the reward for that is in the hereafter (as sstated in Quranic teachings)
but when someone is stepping on your toes and you tell the person he's stepping on your toes and the person says ''so what'', you can push.

Can you answer the question I asked please. It sucks that you are shying away from the questions.

From your explanations, you are saying Islam is okay with revenge and you totally agree with this? Any religion that teaches, promotes or supports the idea of revenge is not too far from violence. What ever happened to being meek, peace and walking a mile with your enemy when forced to walk a metre? I suppose Islam do not subcribe to these sort of peaceful teachings. There is no way that revenge and peace goes hand in hand, it is contradictory. You see, if Islam is apparently teaching peace but at the same time okay with the act of revenge like you have suggested, I suppose it explains the "do me I do you, god no vex" mentality in your religion?

It shouldn't come as a surprise that Islam do not see revenge as a sin, one of the many things that blights your religion. I mean, this is the same religion that is okay and cool with under age sex. AllahuAkbar.

No muhammed waged war and killed, not only when he was persecuted, but when he see the need. See here:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm#selfdefense

The Truth:

In fact, self-defense is just one of several conditions under which Muslims are permitted to take the lives of others.  The myth of killing only in self-defense is easily disproved from the accounts of Muhammad’s own life as recorded in Islam’s sacred texts (with which Muslim terrorists are only too familiar).

Muhammad’s career of killing began with raids on merchant caravans traveling between Syria and Mecca.  His men would usually sneak up on unsuspecting drivers and kill those who defended their goods.  There was no self-defense involved here at all (on the part of the Muslims, at least).  This was old-fashioned armed robbery and murder – sanctioned by Allah (according to Muhammad, who also demanded a fifth of the loot for himself).

The very first battle that Muhammad fought was at Badr, when a Meccan army of 300 was sent out to protect the caravans from Muslim raids.  The Meccans did not threaten Muhammad, and (turning this Muslim myth on its ear) only fought in self-defense after they were attacked by the Muslims.  Following the battle, Muhammad established the practice of executing surrendered captives – something that would be repeated on many other occasions.

The significance of this episode can hardly be overstated, because it lies at the very beginning of the long chain of Muslim violence that eventually passed right through the heart of America on September 11th.  The early Muslims were not being threatened by those whom they attacked, and certainly not by those whom they had captured.  They staged aggressive raids to eventually provoke war, just as al-Qaeda attempts to do in our time.

Muslims try to justify Muhammad's violence by claiming that he and his followers “suffered persecution” at the hands of the Meccans in an earlier episode, in which Muhammad was evicted from the city of Mecca and had to seek refuge at Medina.  But even the worst of this persecution did not rise to the level of killing.  Nor were Muhammad and his Muslims in any danger at all in their new home of Medina.  They were free to get on with their lives.

Even Muhammad’s own men evidently questioned whether they should be pursuing and killing people who did not pose a threat to them, since it seemed to contradict earlier, more passive teachings.  To convince them, Muhammad passed along a timely revelation from Allah stating that “the persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter [of non-Muslims]” (Sura 2:191).  This verse established the tacit principle that the authority of Muslims is of higher value even than the very lives of others.  There is no larger context of morality against which acts are judged.  All that matters is how an event impacts or benefits Muslims.

Under Muhammad, slaves and poets were executed, captives were beheaded, and adulterers were put into the ground and stoned.  None of these were done during the heat of battle or necessitated by self-defense.  To this day, Islamic law mandates death for certain crimes such as blasphemy and apostasy.

Following his death, Muhammad’s companions stormed the Christian world - taking the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe.  They attacked and conquered to the East as well, including Persia, Central Asia, and well into the Indian sub-continent.  Few, if any, of these campaigns involved the pretense of self-defense.  They were about Jihad.

there are no teachings whatsoever that 'appear' to suggest violence as a way and please if you happen to come across any of them. please quote them accordingly and enlighten us. thanks

Read the link above.

omo.you mean, 'statistics' .

Not a good idea to pick on spelling mistakes. . . . Especially, when you are prone to them yourself.

and you and I and every reasonable NLer will know what my statement is aiming at. double :p
well, first paragraph shows you dont know much about guantanamo bay and proves (once again) how much a media puppet you are

Do you know what Irony means? Here let me explain, you condemned me for being a media puppet, yet you went ahead an quote from the same media you accused me of. . . . OMG. Where is the logic?

yes, some terrorists are locked up there. but you (of all people) should know of all the atrocities that go on there.
first, have you heard of how they get the 'terrorists' they put in there?

It appears you know something I don't. . . Please tell me some more. I am apparently rubbish at sarcasm, but this statement is a try.

police officers in some asian countries were paid or get paid for every 'terrorist' they hand over to the US. pretty smart huh?

Surely you are STILL not quoting from the same media you accused me of being a puppet for? The joke is on you.

we all know what happens when a bounty is placed on catching a 'terrorist' without the need of evidence.or does that need further going into?

You really are the muppet now. Before bounty is issued, there are procedures, before procedures begins, evidence and connection with terrorism are taken into consideration. Please remember that before you make unfounded allegations next time.

Yes sometimes the US get things wrong, but that is not to say the system do not work.

2. prisoners have rights. and when these prisoners are denied of their rights, tortured, violated, locked up with no trials etc, i guess there's no problem there, is there?
wanna hear the best part?
the american government cannot be sued because when you try to do so, they say it does not take place on american soil (pow!)

You need some reading I swear. Do you know about security at all? Not your stand-in-front-of-the-main-gate security type and saying "Yaya ga jia sir". I am talking about national security and freedoom. Once you do, you will realise that terrorism is a threat to the very freedom of every man and as a result, conventional rules and laws sometimes do not apply. 

I noticed you mentioned POW, actually, the are more like enemy of the state as the terms POW do not apply to them.

(i'm sure the family and friends of the people that are wrongfully locked up there will love america for all these 'pleasant' things that are being done to their loved ones)

You mean like the family of "adbul Osama-bin-inspired farouk"?  You damn right his family would be happy, personally, I would have sink my thumb into his eye balls and only stop until at least one pops out if I was on the plane - No joke.

Let us be honest here, the US are not silly, they just do not pick random people up. They pick up people who have dealings with terrorism, one way or the other. But sometimes, because we have a court system that relies on the weight of evidence and burden of proof, these people are let go and the US keep shut so as not to jeopardise future missions/planning/reveal secrets etc.  You see, such people can go out and say "Oh I was innocent and I am a devout Muslim and I dare the USA government to sue me." You see, things are not clear cut sometimes.

i read a book about a German muslim that was wrongfully locked for five years in there (Murat Kurnaz-Five Years of My Life(A Prisoner in Guantanamo Bay)) you can google it.
he was eventually freed after spending 5 years there, fighting for freedom. if not for connections, he'll have rotted there (some people run mad)
just read it for a little insight on what goes on there because if I begin, i wont stop. it is utterly sorrowful.
the guy fought so hard that even one of the soldiers came to him and congratulated him for his strength and boldness.
if obtaining 'freedom' by this means is OK with you, you are the terrorist.

Show me a system that works 100% and I will show you a living unicorn. And please do not say islam. Even the so called Sharia banking that was meant to be the perfect banking system [well, as touted by Muslims as such] had to be bailed out recently in dubai. You see my point is that sometimes, America get it wrong. I am bold enough to say that, I wonder how many muslims can put their hands up and admit that Islam gets it wrong?

as for the iraqi invasion, i say you should please shut your mouth unless you know where the weapons of mass destruction are. if the loss of lives and homes and what-not of all these iraqis there dont bother you.
i say you are (again) a terrorist
and sorry, which laws did the iraqis defy please?

You know Saddam could have easily avoided the war instead of adding fire to the issues, just like Iran and NK are doing now.

lastly, i'm tired of hearing you say 'terrorist apologist' for the gazzilionth time. can you please define it and tell me how condoning the actions of terrorist a hundred times makes one a terrorist apologist?
mehn face it, you're pointless and just bringing up things i've explained and given reasons a million times.

You will stop being one in my eyes, once you quit saying "Oh yeah he did wrong but it is the fault of the west", once you can see that your religion produces more terror and fear than any other religion in the world etc. . . .

Make you next reply short. I am really getting bored now.

Dont we have Gorilla Primate Olobayo to do that one yearly?

Katsumoto:
It is alleged that he fought in the civil war; he was supposedly in the 2nd division under Murtala. That was the division responsible for killing the men and boys in cold bold at Asaba. There are several texts indicating that he was a commanding officer in that division but not mentions the brigade that he commanded. So it is inconclusive what his role was in the civil war. Perhaps someone else can shed light on this.

That is what I thought, but I am sure Lagos Boy in his infinite wisdom and super Google power can tell us something we don't know.

I suppose if your allegations are right, he is not exactly a soldier but an uncivilised barbarian. And speaking of allegations, wasn't it reported that he was responsible for the death of Dele Giwa [allegedly!]. How someone can call him intelligent is beyond me. A cold calculated killer maybe. . . but not an intelligent officer.

Questionable nominees. Questionable system. Questionable winners. . . Heck, Questionable system. But yeah, here is a "questionable" congratulatory message to who ever won.

Lagosboy:
Despite the fact that i am in no way a fan of IBB and i believe he his one of our problems. The fact remains he was one of Nigeria most intelligent soldier, IBB did fight in the civil war and was a commanding officer in that war as well. IBB was a brave soldier that went to confron Buka Suka Dimka at Radio Nigeria in 1975 after it was known the Head of state had been killed. It takes a brave soldier to do that, because those coup plotter were terribly drunk and he negotiated intelligently to avoid a major bloodshed on that day, this was a time when OBJ had run into hiding and he was the NO 2.

It is not easy to be a COAS , you have to be indeed a fine officer which was why Buhari appointed IBB as the COAS although he was betrayed.

Yes IBB was a terrible leader but his courage and braveness should not be denied.

Crying for the bereaved is what even the toughest of humans will do , when he his alone as this was a wife of close to 40 years. Common guys we are all human!

Please provide proofs and more information on the alleged war he fought in. Please provide information on the Unit he commanded, his missions and roles etc. I am sceptical. Very sceptical. Surely there should be some record somewhere?

To call IBB an intelligent soldier is an insult to the Armed forces in Nigeria.

Confronting an enemy is a standard principle in which all soldier are trained and built upon. . . .So you want a cookie for IBB for that?

^^^^

Having 16 kids makes questioning his parental abilities even more. It is because of reason like this we have family planning introduced in Nigeria.

16 kids? Come on now, I am trying to play it out in my head - His career, his works, his wives and time for his kids? - It is just not adding up.

I won't be surprised if most of the kids are bundled away to boarding schools.

OEO:
ElRazur!

I have just discovered that you are nothing but a lobbyist, nobody will make you a moderator, unless you want to be writting down the names of noisemakers like you.

Check IBB's biography, you will know that the man is indeed a General. Maybe not your own kind of General (Mouthy).

Pls think deeply be4 you post.

You should try engaging your brain. Try and look up on "figure of speech". Once you know what that means, it will become clear that I am not asking to be a mod.

In the mean time, can you explain to me what war IBB physically fought in? Like I said, I am waiting for those who know more than me to shed light on that aspect. IBB is no difference in my opinion to Idi amin - He gave him self medals that he never fought in the war, and awarded himself promotions that are questionable.

Sam Milla:
well look at what it got us Nigerians.

Plus watch list i believe means WATCH LIST. WATCH.SEARCH. BE CAREFUL WITH.
everything about watch this person, he is dangerous. simple.


@adconline, well said

I honestly have no clue as to how the watch list is implemented, but I am guessing you ain't far from it. The thing that have come to light is that information wasn't shared, hence why he was not given extra security checks etc. Having said that, expect the security levels to go up and stay so for years to come.

adconline:
I do not think that bad parenting played any role. This spoit terrorist is 23 yrs, so he is  free to do what he wishes and he chose destruction of lives. US Supreme Court Judge, Anthony Scalia is the strictest of all the judges and you could imagine his parenting skills, but his daughter , Ann S. Banaszewski  was ticketed for drunk driving.

The statement I was making was asking a question [sorry should have been a question mark at the end]. I was merely trying to give loads of reasons as to why he may have opted to report him to the authorities.

When it comes to rich people, it is a well known that they hardly have the time for their kids, especially those who have active careers. My friend is a Doctor, but he hardly stays home to see his kids etc. It is well known that their lack of parental input [be it dad or mum] can lead to them [children] going wayward.

Another factor that's being overlooked is the culture of impunity and religious intolerance in core Northern Nigeria? No prominent figure or sponsor of religious uprisings in the north has ever been fully prosecuted. He thrived in  a region where it was OK to kill people of other faiths. He lived in a region where prominent people sponsored attacks against folks of other religion. He lived amongst  folks who silently and patently rejoiced that people of other religions were massacred. He lived in a country when OBJ insulted a CAN president ( can my foot episode) for daring to ask him why he responded after Christians had been killed? He lived in a country where a governor of his state ( Senator Ahmed Mohammed Makarfi) whose under watch that so many Christians were killed and  got re-elected as a governor and still serving as a Senator in the Nigerian NASS. He lived in a region where perpetrators of religious violence were/are rewarded with better political,social and economic appointments. He lived in a country where  it's customary to tender a Federal Government apology to Muslims after having gone a killing rampage against people of other faiths. He lived in a country where its normal  to say “ we do not want to offend Muslim sensibilities” even when the crises might have been originated from Muslim adherents. He belonged to a region where religious conflicts always emanated from extremists like him.

I agree, you have painted a short simple piece of how Nigeria is. That is why people people like me have a belief that we are backward [Don't care if anyone gets upset].

Sam Milla:
You have your point up there but then how about
HIS NAME WAS ON THE WATCH LIST, NO FLY LIST.
Why didn't they give him extra search ?

We must not allow things to escalate before taking necessary actions.

Watch list is a low priority.  He was on that one and not the "no fly list"

As I am speaking to you right now, Obama is on tv condemning the security serives of the US of A, he stated that it is not good enough and have ordered two reviews. The bottom line is that US security services may have seen him as not enough threat - things are based on evidence etc hence why he was able to get on a plane.

I should also point out that a "watch list" is not not an automatic denial of flying into the US.

Sam Milla:
this is more like American style. we do not really have to wait until they bomb a plane before branding them terrorists.

when you travel to Yemen and preach how to kill the west, destroy western interests, forget western education, bomb America and so on,
To me, you are already a terrorist.Americans are waiting for Boko Haram to bomb their Embassy in Abuja before branding them terrorist.
No i dont agree with you that he became a terrorist on dec 25. He just attempted to bomb a plane on dec 25.

Oga. In my humble opinion, that is incorrect. How would you feel if the US picked him just on the basis of the reports his father made? It would been seen as "western ignorance" and the muslims would claim it is an attack on Islam blah blah blah. As a result, I am of the belief of "evidence" and "weight of evidence/proof". That is how most courts and judicial system works across the world.

We do not know if he preached in yemen, but evidences suggest he was there for an amount of time where it is believed to have become radicalised.

Again he became a terrorist on that date, as he committed the act of terror, but thank goodness he failed.

Where is the mod?

Sam Milla:
I also believe the man knew long ago that his son has become a terrorist and that was why he simply reported him.

His son wasn't a terrorist until Dec 25. Prior to that, the dad was more or less concern that he is becoming radicalised, and may be potentially feeble minded - an ideal recipe  for those who can use him as a terrorist.

Sam Milla:
that simply makes the father of the suspect a brave man. i commend him.

That is one way to look at it. The other view is that he may have done it to deflect attention away from his poor parental skills. Perhaps he was guilty? Perhaps he had a bigger motive? There a lot of views. All I am saying is that not a lot of parents are keen letting the authorities deal with their kids - Not in Nigeria anyway.

MrCrackles:
^ ^ ^

He is deluded.

You wonder why the mod do not remove post like this. Sucks.

I am not a legal eagle, but it can only be illegal IF there are other alternatives and it wasn't used. The lack of a proper transition of powers in case of the president becoming incapable for whatever reason is what we are reaping right now.