₦airaland Forum

Timehin:
EIRazur, an average middle easterner view the american govt. as a threat considering happenings within d middle east be it isreal v lebanon, iraq, pakistan, aphganistan etc and d roles played by d american govt. either selfless or selfish. But we all know dat in d world of POLITICS or ECONOMICS self preservation is number 1. So since the muslim extremists wanted to preserve themselves but couldnt match d american might in terms of economy, politics and arms they choose terrorism like yorubas will say 'kaka keku maje sese afi se awa danu'. Though im not in support of terrorism  but i believe d failure of governance on d world stage where winners takes it all has brought about the evolution of terrorism as an art of continous wars either cold, silent, economic or political. The world has always be in war its either we realise it or not

Hi.

I see your point. However, it do not necessarily mean that the average ME person views America as a bigger threat. Conversely, an Israeli who also happen to be from the Middle East will most likely see America as the biggest all. The issue of middle east is a complicated one, right from the times of the Bible, so it is a bit of an oversight to point fingers at America or any of her allies.

Oga, there are ways one can express oneself, terrorism is just an extreme form that have become interwoven with religion - A very bad recipe.

I am not so sure about failures on the world stage. Right from the birth of any form of government, there are always people who will either moan or point out the failures of they government in one way or the other. What we need to take into consideration is that if we take away religion, most of these things will fade away. But when you have people willing to force their views and way of life on people, then there becomes a problem.

Onwan:
@ eLrAzOR

There was something missing there - let me break it down this way;

"WE ARE NIGERIA. BETTER BELEIVE IT OR ,  OFF"

This is what I wrote: "WE ARE NIGERIA. BETTER BELIEVE IT OR bleep OFF"

Onwan:
@ eLrAzOR

There was something missing there - let me break it down this way;

"WE ARE NIGERIA. BETTER BELEIVE IT OR ,  OFF"

This is what I wrote: "WE ARE NIGERIA. BETTER BELIEVE IT OR bleep OFF"

Again, your post makes no sense. If anything, you have demonstrated that you do not have the capacity to learn or post anything meaningful.

Your post makes no sense. None, whatsoever. Yes we are Nigeria, what is there to believe?  Elaborate further on this, surely it aint too hard to do so?

Onwan:
THIS IS THE WHOLE GAME PLAN OF THESE IDIOTS;

THEY WANT NIGERIANS TO SEE THEMSELVES AND SEPARATE AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW THEY HAVE US DIVIDED.

PEOPLE, THIS IS A CONSPIRACY TO TAKE OVER NIGERIA, ITS A SETUP. NIGERIA IS ONE AND I DON'T GIVE A bleep WHAT ANYONE SAYS, MY SAYING IS THAT IT IS A SETUP.

IF HE LIKES LET HIM BE FROM BAYELSA, ONCE THEY LINK ANYTHING TO NIGERIA; THEY KNOW ONE OF TWO THINGS WILL HAPPEN;

1. DIVISION
2. LABEL AS TERRORIST ZONE

NIGERIA IS ONE. US IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE DIVIDED. SOON THEY WILL FORM A TERM FOR THE "TERRORIST" NORTHERNERS, AND CALL THEM OUTCASTS, LIKE THE TALIBAN.

THIS IS WHEN WE NEED TO STAND TOGETHER.

Again with mentality like yours. . . .Nigeria is doomed.

Aint we divided already? Aint it a well known fact that Nigeria is like a forced marriage - non of the party wants to be involved?

You see, your logic sucks am afraid.

Onwan:
@Elrazor
Its not a mind-set, its a fact based instinct. You have no basic idea what "catch up" is at any level - You might want to figure out who you are "catching up" to, and confirm IF they are NOT trying to catch up with you. We are not the other countries in the world - we are not slaves or sign boards, WE ARE NIGERIA. BETTER BELEIVE IT OR ,  OFF

For starters, the name is ElRazur.  

Sorry, where is the fact in what you have posted? Perhaps I missed it? This is a case about an act of terror, yet you magically linked it with the issue of Africom. Where is the logic? You see, it is a shame but quite a few people have mentioned the Africom and oil business which is totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. You see, this is one of the many reasons that with mindset like yours, Nigeria will be playing catch up - uphill struggle.

"WE ARE NIGERIA. BETTER BELEIVE IT OR ,  OFF " [sic].

What does that even mean? I am sure it makes sense to you, but for the sake of those reading and my sake, I am sure you will be kind enough to offer an explanation.

Onwan:
With the US there is always a conspiracy going on;

He has aweak point - he is spoilt - AGREED, BUT;

1. Who approached him with the request?
2. Who gave him the instructions?
3. Who is "Alqaeda' OR "Bin Laden"?

My feeling is that they need two things from this whole setup;

1. Nigerian
2. Terrorism

Its like an investment for them to support the mounting of Africom in Africa.

To hell with them!

With mindset like yours, I have a feeling Nigeria will be forever playing catch up on every level that matters.

Timehin:
TERRORISM HAS BECOME AN ART OF WAR! Unfortunately d so called clerics have vested interests in such acts, therefore it has become a multiple headed monster which is impossible to eliminate cos extreme religious beliefs has become an idea that most people are willing to die for unfortunately.

Interesting post. I am just not so sure how terrorism and "Art of war" are the same. I have a feeling you may offer an explanation at some point.

No2Atheism:
One of the questions i raised has been answered the BBC website:

- He did not occupy the whole building.

- He merely stayed in a basement flat.

Hence the next questions are that:


- Was 4 million pounds the amount paid as rent or is it the amount just the overall value of the building itself irrespective of the student or students living there . . .

- Is the 4million pounds the rent for the whole duration of his stay or just for a particular period . . .

- Did he pay for the rent himself or did someone else pay the rent . . .  

I am going out on a limb here and say it is the total value of the property and not the price he paid on rent. Yeah London is expensive, but not THAT expensive.

For a 23 year old, I very much think someone will be paying for him. Besides, dont forget to add his international student fee. Almost about 10k-15 per year. You see, either the dad is paying for him, or someone else is.

mbulela:
in my view, this is an isolated case.
the average nigerian loves his life too much to go into sucide bombing.
it is not in our make up.

A very common misconception. Poverty, illiteracy, hardship, no future prospects and religion overzealousness makes Nigeria a very rich pickings for any terrorist.  For example, Prosititution is common in our higher institution because of poverty and the need to keep with the jones. Quite a few people from abroad know this and use this to their advantage when they come home. Hell, I have as well.

When it comes to religion, there are already the right and necessary potentials back home - there are tribal wars, sharia non-sense, tension between Christians and muslims. . . You see, all it takes is for a fundamentalist to get a strong foothold. Heck remember Bokoharam? There aint no difference between him and alqaeda.

On a lighter note:

Aren't we lucky that the teaching at UCL is so bad that he couldn't rig his detonator correctly? Fortunately he was an engineering student and not doing interior design.

Lmao.

Awesome thread. Some chick are worth applying for a visa for and inviting them over to the UK.

Lagosboy:
Nah you got it all wrong, i dont know what page you started to read my posts but if you actually read my first post on this thread , i did condemn the terrorist act.

I went further to challenge the rational and story behind the news. Blowing a plane mid air over the atlantic sea is better for a terrorist then a landing plane on US soil. Any fool will acknowledge this so i dont get what you are saying.

What has religion got to do with my views on this if not simple logic.

I get you right. Unless off course you weren't posting in english language all along.

My point is stop trying to challenge or down play as to why he picked the point he opted to ignite the improvised explosion mix. Also, you appear to be suggesting that a plane will not explode at lower altitude as there is already gradual depressurization etc. These logics of yours are wrong and inaccurate. Simple.

Lagosboy:
How much does a firecracker cost?
How much does a cigarette lighter cost?

Please lets stop spinning issues

What proof do you have that it is a fire cracker? It has been officially confirmed that he had an explosive mix. A firecracker is not the same as an explosive mix or is it? Besides, who takes on a form of bomb/explosion on board - I have a feeling where ever airport he checked in that these items are prohibited.

No one is spinning issues, but you. First you have been adamant that nothing will happen, yet when me and others have challenged that view on the basis of logic and known facts, you dont appear to be saying much. Dude, do not let religion fraternity cloud your vision.

Lagosboy:
A descending plane is gradully depressurised before landing , the reason why you blow up a  plane mid air is because the explosives any terrorist slowpoke can take on board will definately be a small explosive. Such explosive is only needed to cause a hole and the instant differential pressure together with the spark is the key. Causing a hole in a depressurising or depressurised landing plane is as good as useles i insist.

This dude is a joke!!!

Dude. A cabin gradual de-pressurization do not mean it is completely free of pressure. Again you have made mention of how you know about chemicals or something along those lines. Therefore, it should be known to you that Pure oxygen [part of what is used in the maintaining the pressurisation of the cabin] is volatile an as such and explosion will make plane implode on itself. These are points you appear to be missing on purpose.

Lagosboy:
@Debosky

Just confirme again that the plane was already into landing and was actually 2 mniutes about to touch the ground. Now any explosion at this time is just a mere joke and will not have any impact as small explosives will only burn the he igniter and make a sound.

This leaves me to wonder what on earth is really happening.

Dude an Aeroplane is pressurised hence why you have very strong and sealed doors. It do not matter whether it is landing or not, an explosion will make it implode on itself. Remember pure oxygen - which one of the stuff used - is highly volatile if I remember correctly. Jeez man, get a grip.

I don't think it is full of crap, there are some few meaningful post there, but the majority are just crap upon crap. If you follow the whole thread, it is quick to see how it move from a case of terrorism [which is what it is] to it going towards religion and tribalism.

It shouldn't come as no surprise, Nairaland is featured and frequented by people who are mostly Nigerians who are still at home [and some here but refuse to leave the old ways] and a greater percentage have what some will describe as a backward or closed mindset.

They say show me your friend and I will tell you the kind of person you are. Only that in this case, Nairaland demonstrate fully well the issues plaguing Nigeria on several levels.

axeman85:
you must be a useless bleeping mutherfucker. to be generalising Nigerians with that derogatory word.  were olori buruku omo iranu.

What is the difference between you an him? Surely, you are meant to be the wiser one, but lost all credibility when you started with the insult?

wirinet:
I disagree with you that most things do not make sense in these present day and age, unless you are telling me that most people are psychotic or we are living in a state of anarchy.

Let avoid unfounded conjecture  and wait for a full report before we start flying into conclusions.

I suppose it depend on what side of the coin you are standing or how one is viewing things perosnally? When I mentioned that most things do not make sense in these present day, I was more or less saying the story in quesiton may not be adding up to some, however with technology making the world a smaller place, there would be some who know what is going on etc. That is the point I was trying to make.  

There is nothing unfounded. A man is arrested based on what is coming across as terror related offences. That is the news so far and if one factor eye witnesses account into consideration, then the story appears to make more sense.

How can you say Islam is synonymous with terror? Do you know what terrorism means? There is a strong brotherhood with all religions, especially the Christian and Jewish religions. It is the Fragmentation of Christianity as a whole that means it seem to have a week brotherhood as a whole, but brotherhood among individual sects is a strong as any other religion.

Erm, ask anyone around. . . Whether right or wrong, Islam is perceived as been associated with terrorism, violence and intolerance. It is the same way catholic churches are now synonymous with sexual abuse of children - again whether right or wrong is another argument.  And finally, it is the same way Nigeria/her citizens are perceived as fraudulent etc. You see this perception [again whether right or wrong] take a long time to come to play and it usually result into coming to existence when nothing or enough is been done about such perceptions in the first place.

The reason muslims take up arms is varied and complex, it ranges from political manipulations by the clerical class, to illiteracy, from perceived or real cultural domination and imposition by the west  to perceived or real military threats. I have many Muslim friends who are sad that the domination (perceived) of Christianity in Lagos is making it difficult to raise their children in the Muslim way of life in which they were brought up. Now if some lagos Muslims feel this way, imagine what the Kano muslim having the same frustration would feel. What i want you to realize is that Muslim aggression is not as simplistic as you wish. a better understanding each other's point of view is the panacea for peaceful coexistence. But is you continue your aggression towards others simply because they assemble their world different from yours, you are likely to breed aggression in return.

There is no deny there is a strong brotherhood amongst muslims. Here, let me give you a personal experience, I was offered a place in the Army as a medic and once I informed my muslim friend about it - He is turkish - The first thing he said is that "Oh so you are going to kill my brothers in Afghanistan blah blah blah" this is coming from a guy who do not even pray 5 times a day.

I also find it is the same feeling amongst the muslim community - they feel their brothers and sisters are been treated unjustly etc. And one of the many precursors [or main precursors] as to why they pick up arms etc [Your points are valid too]

I am not bias towards the US. Even the average American view the[b] invasion and bombing [/b]of Iraq as unfortunate. Will you also call those Americans bias? Another sore point of American foreign policy is the support of Israel's settlement on Arab lands. (though that is not enough justification for suicide bombings).

I beg to differ, your comment lost all neutrality with the point I highlighted in the previous post. If you work as a translator and trying to negotiate peace, you wont use such words as it comes across in a very bad light.

There is no religion, region, race or country that is completely free from all known crimes, we had had Christian and Jewish terrorists, we have southern terrorists, the suspected bomber last week in Lagos is a southerner.

Agreed and to my recollection, I haven't said otherwise.

When you call Majority of Muslims  terrorists,i ask you how many of the over 60million Nigerian Muslims have been engaged in terrorist activities, what is the numerical strength of Boko Haram in comparism with the northern Muslim Population? What about world figures. What is the percentage of Al Qaeda compared to the more than 1 billion Muslim population?
What gives you the right to brand every Muslim from a particular region as terrorist?

The only way we can defeat extremism is by working together with the moderates.
[quote][/quote]Please point to where I have deliberately called Majority of Muslim terrorist? I think you are like others and not understanding my view point. I am saying when a religion appears to be a faith of those who carry out terrorism - especially majority - then there is a shift in perception and such religion becomes known or associated with terrorism. That is my point and I am not calling majority/all muslim terrorist.

Please read my post again. I can't answer questions on things I haven't mentioned.

PS
I have defended Islam on the particular point you made. Just thought I should point that out.

biina:
and what was the topic of debate?

It is. You never offer opinion, other than question the intent of other. Sucks. Offer an opinion no be trainee psychologist.

and Sharia has nothing to do with Islam?
Do you have any prove that it was an act of terrorism and not an accident?

I made an example, I remember using words suchs as "Extremist" etc and phrases like "those who force their beliefs on others". But for the sake of your mission, you appear to have ignore the overall message and instead try and make it look like it is about Islam. You really are rubbish. Try again, perhaps read up on the next chapter in the text book? Or better still, get an updated version.

You really are rubbish for even suggesting it was an accident. Ignition of any kind requires an input of some sort, to suggest it is an accident is just silly. Period. I am surprised you haven made claims it is all one Western world conspiracy.

Let the facts be available, before crucifying the guy or anyone else. You are not obliged to believe everything you hear on the news.

Cry me a  River Niger and River Benue! Eyewitnesses account are probably not facts enough. Various outlets reporting almost identical stories, with different eyewitness account is just B.ullshit right?

OMO IBO:
Me i do not understand all these conspiracy theories.

Fact is dude tried to blow up a plane.
I do not care if he had 'knockout' or  'carbide and kom-kom stuffed with plantain leaves and pushed up his batty hole'

Dude is a terrorist suspect.

Omo phuck you man for showing simple common sense.

I swear it is all a conspiracy to get Nigerians and Islam.

Lagosboy:
Anyone knowledge of explosives will know , banga can never blow up a plane close to the ground,Look i am a professional Chemical Engineer and i know the differential pressure needed to increases the explosion is significantly lower when a plane is lower already about to land. High up in the sky a terrorist only needs a explosive to break or cause a hole in the plane and the rest is history. Maximum casualities to the ground is only the thought of a layman who doesnt have any knowledge.

Again i say go jump in the sea as 1.7 Billion muslims cannot die all at once. That is the only solution to help yourself!!!

You are funny. You do realise it makes no difference whatsoever if it was done in mid air or on touching ground? I asked you several questions already and you cannot answer them.

Please explain to me in which ever you can, why was he trying to "ignite" a form of what appears to be explosives on board. . . .In this day and age?

No2Atheism:
- Can you please provide a source for the highlighted.

- If you statement is true, then it means that Immigration and Visa issues is going to much harder for all Nigerians from now onwards . . .

BBC news. On TV right now. Apparently, there is a student with the same name on a student visa. . . . He is reported to be an engineering student in UCL. Police still carrying out checks.

biina:
Unlike you, I am not quick to jump to conclusions without the facts of the matter. No fact has been presented to counter that the occurrence was not an accident. Investigation does not equal guilt. Except in your mind, where the guy seems to have been confirmed as a religious extremist who attempted a terrorist act under the guidance of a charismatic leader

Funny how your debate falls apart once we take out the psychology text book approach. What a Pub psychologist.

Look you appear to have a mission, I aint got time for your non-sense. So far, I haven't attacked anyone on the basis of their religion, in fact, I have defended Islam in my post in the thread.

A person who commits a crime is a criminal. . .Anyone who commits an act of terror is a terrorist. Surely, it aint hard to understand?

wirinet:
For me, i am yet to take a position on the whole issue, because the story as presently told does not make sense. I will wait for a full disclosure by the FBI or for the court case to decipher what actually happened. Be these are the areas i find confusing;

1. Why would a would-be suicide bomber wait till a plane is about to land before attempting to blow up the plane, when the plane had flown at a high attitude over the ocean for over 6 hours. The explosion would have had minimum damage to the plane at such low altitude and if the pilot is not affected by the explosion, chances are that he might still manage to land the plane.

Most things do not make sense in these present day and age. HOwever, once one can add a few things together, it is not as overwhelming as it seems anymore. Whatever disclosure the FBI makes, I am guessing it would be either a fearful one or watered down version pending investigation and out come.


For all we know, he may have developed nerves and have conflict within him?

2. We understand that most Nigerians are unhappy with the US military activities in Muslim countries- especially the Muslims but i do not think the resentment is strong enough to carry out suicide bombings of America's interest, especially when we are not directly affected by US invasions and bombings. We are not even told the grievances of the suspected bomber but we told all his other claims.

Are you kidding me? One of the biggest issue that have made Islam synonymous with terror [whether right or wrong] is the fact that unlike most religion, there is a strong brotherhood sense in Islam. This alone accounts for many reasons where random people - but mostly muslims - take up arms.

Oh before I forget, the way your structured your second point shows a bias towards the US, the use of the words invasions and bombings. . . takes away the neutrality and questions your intent. Just an observation.

3. The story is not specific on weather the substance is a bomb or an inflammable powder. Also all we are told at the moment are the suspect's "claims", no investigative report yet.

I hate to point this out again, but most site are reporting that he tried to ignite. [Ignition is usually addition of heat, energy, power etc to get a form of explosion going] even the BBC that is very cautious in it report by putting inverted commas are going all out to say what most are saying

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8430699.stm

4. Even the claims that he is working on behalf of Al Qaeda does not make sense, as everybody knows that Al qaeda's operations are usually multiple coordinated multiple explosions, and not single one off bombings.

It makes perfect sense. Terrorism can work in isolated cells - this reduces the risk of detection etc. Further more, just as the US is constantly seeking new ways to battle terrorism, the people intent of causing terrorism are look for new and ingenius way to harm the US, her allies and her interest.  Prior to sept 11, no one ever thought the US would be struck from above. For all we know, we may be witnessing a new phase of attack mode from Alqaeda?

I do not know why Nigerian are expert at making a mountain out of a molehill, even if one individual of Nigerian origin, but of British citizenship having sympathy for Osama Bin Ladin, should carry out a terrorist attack, does that make all Nigerians or Northern Nigerians Terrorists?. With all the terrorists from Saudi Arabia (Osama Bin Ladin's country), UAE, and Qatar, their citizens are not even considered terrorists. They are considered on individual basis.

A bit of generalization there from you. No one so far have called All Nigerian terrorist - well, I haven't. Yes case should be considered at individual merit, however, when a particular religion [notice I havent mentioned which religion here] seen to be associated with terror, it is only human that people perceive a type of pattern and association.

biina:
So passing state legislation on the adoption of sharia is only slightly different from state sponsored terrorism?

Why not add match sticks to the list as well, as it is also a controlled explosion and can be deemed a bomb  

You do not have the facts of the matter, yet you are  quick to condemn the guy as being guilty of an act of terror.

Once you offer an opinion and quit reading your psychology text book I will gladly answer your questions.

In the mean time, I guess it is absolutely in your twisted world to set alight a form of explosion on a plane? Woah. Funny enough, the UK are now seeking further information on the guy. Speaks volumes. Oh, matches is a controlled form of explosion.

Lagosboy:
this is a quote from CNN The initial impression is that the suspect was acting alone and did not have any formal connections to organized terrorist groups, said the senior official who is familiar with the investigation.
The suspect, identified by a U.S. government official as 23-year-old Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, ignited a small explosive device Friday, shortly before a Northwest flight from Amsterdam, Netherlands, made its landing in Detroit, Michigan.

Small explosive device is indeed banga buddie and why not mid air on the atlantic ocean why on a desending plane already on US soil , with several rescue agencies to rescue victims if the intent was max killing.

I don't get your point. An act of terror, can be carried out alone [as a terror cell or as an individual] I am yet to say he's got connection or he works alongside others.

For all we know, he may have got nervous. What difference does it make if mid-air or on touching ground? Will you prefer a flight with mid-air scare, when touching ground or none at all? I know which one I will pick.

Whatever the case, he had an intent of terror, he is therefore a terrorist.

metal-gong:
Mohammed is the real devil~~~
Koran the manuscript of Devil~~

These are the reasons why these lily levered moslems cant live without killing their fellow human beings for nothing sake.

What is the difference between you and the religion you are insulting? Some will say you are just been as small minded as those who are extremist. [quote][/quote]

I don't understand why a few people think simply because things are bad at home, people struggling to survive etc. It automatically means we love life and not willing to die for someone else cause? If anything, it is nothing but the perfect recipie, all we need is someone who is charismatic and able to convince people.

Come to think of it, it is already happening - All those who extremely believe in sharia and other forms of religion extremism that then forces their will on people. All of these things are all forms of dogma, beliefs and what not, and it ain't no different to going a step further and wanting to kill for the belief.

I noted a few people have mentioned that firecrackers is not the same as bomb. Well, I am not Pyrotechnician, but a fire crackers, rockects and grenades are all forms of "Controlled explosions" so yeah, the media is right in my opinion in calling it a "Bomb", it is a form of it. Finally, it will appear that latest reports are suggest he had on him a mixture of liquid and powered - Anyone who know about basic chemistry knows that high explosive combustion recipie can be made with the right liquid and powder.

Let us stop the denial and face the fact, he is a nigerian and he appears to have been intent on the act of terror. As far as am concerend, I wish the US of A hang him, his kind and those who share his sort of views by the very balls.

**Looks at thread**

**Disagree with most ideas**

**Poundering whether to have an alternative award thread**

Will be right back.



Sorry guys, I can't vote for anyone as I have been MIA. Good luck to who ever win though.

phuck_NL:
This is the most ridiculous analogy i have ever seen in my entire life. Shame on you.
David Beckham is a football player and he has a right to his private life.
Yaradua on the other hand, has the fate and hopes of a population of 150 million  people in his hands. His condition of heatlth is certainly our business.
An unfit man should not run the affairs of 150 million people. I hope you know there is a law that states that if the president is unfit to rule the nation, the vice president, along with the AG and some other top govt officials can remove him and make the VP the president.
YAradua''s health is a PUBLIC AFFAIR. If he wants it private, he shouldn't be president

There is nothing ridiculous about it. Your lack of acknowledgement is your prerogative am afraid.

You can deny it all you want, but the truth is there. Both are in the Public eyes and considered as important people in what they do, that is the crucial point. But I guess you missed that on purpose.

Again, there is no proof that he is unfit. I am tired of going round in circles. If you must know, people with Kidney problems [if what the press is reporting is to be believed about Yar'dua] can live a "normal" life with the adequate care. Seeing that he is an important public figure person, I am willing to bet that he is having the best care he can get.

Again, the question I posed to others I am posing to you. Please explain to me as to how an obsession with his health over-rules his right to privacy? I mean using your logic and those of others, you will want to know where he does his "number two" the number of women he sleeps with and what he wear on a daily basis. . . . After all, he is a leader of 150million?

Ironically, most of you that are quick to point out that he is a Public figure, tend to forget that there are procedures in place if and when he comes unfit to govern the nation any more.


Finally, using one of your logic again. . . . If you knew Beckham had Asthma from the age of six, you will probably have stopped him from playing football. . . .After all, in your eyes he is unfit? I mean what is there to stop people who have disability one way or the other? I mean, next time we will just elect a "God" as a president. That way, he will never fall sick or suffer from any ailments. . . .ever?

TheSeeker:
Yes, it is true the media may have made it an obsession which we all know and understand, but we all know that is true. If he can't disclose his health predicaments, he should leave office but as long as he stays in office we are entitled to know his bill of health; if he knew so well he won't be able to expose his health issues, he shouldn't remain in public office.

This is the common misconception - the part in bold.

No you ain't entitle to know anything. It is not our right, even if he is in public office, his right to privacy over rules our obsession to know his state of health.

Let me give you an example or two. David Beckham suffers from Asthma, I never knew this until couple of days ago that he was pictured [again by the obsessive press] taking his Inhaler pump [medication and reliever for Asthma]. I am assuming you know about Asthma right? It can leave people almost useless, yet this have not in anyway affects david beckham's ability. If anything, he's proven longevity with his career.

Also he never disclosed this, you know why? It is his own private affairs and not for public consumption.  If am to use your logic, I guess he should have made it known to the fans, after all they pay his salary right?


The point I am trying to make here is this, Yar'dua performance as a president have not in anyway affected his ability to run his office and performs his duty. Before you go arguing that he do not turn up at certain events etc. It is normal and PART of his duties to nominate and delegate his duties to his assistant and co.  The key point here is that as long as the Job is done, we should not even raise this point at all.


Also remember that, there are measures in place to counteract and deal with him, if he is seen as becoming ineffective. So far, by the laws and rules laid in Nigeria's constitution, he is doing a fine job.

naijaking1:
@ELRazur
What would you say if the president and commander-in-chief who gives orders for just about everything in this country is found to have an unsound mind or body? History is strewn with cases of mad kings and emperors and of course the outcome of their 'decisions':failure of the whole system. The difference between disease of the mind and body is very small, and that is the main reason why the commander-in-chief must be of unquestionably sound mind and body. Don't you have to be sure that the man ordering your children to war is not crazy--for example?

You are asking me question based on an IF SCENARIO. IF the time comes, I guess the measures set out to remove him will come into play.

For the record, one can have those reported ailments/illness and still leave a active and "normal" life. So far, there is nothing he's done to suggest he is a "mad ruler".

Sagamite:
You  are a bleeping retard.

Not everybody is a criminal you fool!!!

The man did a good job in Katsina and is not a looter.

I think you said what most are thinking. He's been sort of rejoicing at the news. Have look at his other thread. Like I said before in my last post, to accuse Yar'dua of not doing a good job is just non-sense. If truth be told, by Nigeria's standard he is one of the best Nigeria's had to date.

bawomolo:
It ceased to be a private matter when he assumed public office.   John McCain was forced to release his medical record while he was running for president.  That doesn't mean its right to mock him but its a legitimate question to ask whether yar'adua is fit enough to be president.

Oga long time. I am still of the firm belief that it is a private matter. See in the example you give, the main difference is that Yar'dua is already president. He do not have to disclose his health records. And if memory serves me right, John mcain ONLY stated he heard a minor issue of some kind and not go into lenghty details of appointments etc - something Yar'dua's press office have done [mentioned he's got a kidney ailment by the look of it].

The issue here is just the level at which this obsession with his health have gone. On top of that. Nigeria and America are very different, How old is democracy in America? Then compare it to Nigeria. . .I think you will find that we are still at an infancy level. And as such drawing an example or parallel with America is a bit unfair.

Kobojunkie:
@Elrazur, to add to what has already been posted, as long as WE are footing the bill, it is our business to know what he is going out for and why.

I find it hard to defend that point. But look at it this way, what if he is been using his own money? He is a wealthy man. I have to deal with patient confidentiality in my everyday line of work, perhaps it is why I feel so strongly about him retaining his privacy?



@The seeker [Gonna be short on your point. I cant stay for long]

The media made it an obsession because it sells paper. Bad news thrive, people love their daily doses of misfortune of others so as to make them feel better about their lives. Fact. The media knows this and hence feed on it.

Other countries are not Nigeria. We have different culture, different outlook and as such our views will never be the same. . . .In places like Gabon [or so], it is okay for the president to go on live television and make threat to Human rights campaigners. . . . If it was done in a western world, there will be out cry. YOu see, different places, different way of doing things. etc.


As for the others. I remain a firm believer that People's medical record should be a private affairs - whether they are in a public office or not. No one wants to put their afflictions and health records for every dick and harrry to see. Yar'dua have done a good job - YES AS A GOOD JOB - by Nigeria's standard. To now accuse him of not doing anything because of his health is just unfair.

CyberG:
IGNORAMUS. . .any president is a PUBLIC official and accountable to the people. NOTHING about his health, his past, his future plans is EVER PRIVATE and should EVER BE for as long as he is in that position. The country foots his bills and that of the entire (nuclear) family with our resources and taxes. UNFORTUNATELY, the average NIGERIAN has known no accountable leadership in his/her life so like you, they think the president has a right to privacy (we're not talking of sleeping with his wife) abut HIS HEALTH? NIGERIANS, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO THINK LIKE YOU, NEED A TOTAL BRAIN SURGERY. Most of them are those that can not, independently, see the connection of the problem of Yaradua's inaction as a result of his stupidity, cluelessness,  corruption, greed, lack of patriotism, etc and the dangerous speed at which the country is moving towards the precipice.

What are you talking about. I think you will find that you are moving away from the issue at hand. Yes, he is accountable as a leader, however , let the truth be told! His medical history and what not is a private matter. Seriously how hard is it to understand that?

Look dude, you posted a thread to do nothing but mock him. Then when I pointed out that he owns no one any obligation to disclose his medical history or illness [if any], you then turn around and rant about irrelevant matter.

The fact of the matter is this, he may be any of those things you have mentioned, it still do not mean his Medical history should be in the public domain and the unhealthy obsession shown by the nigeria media and people who jump on this train wagon sucks.

Where is this connection you talked about? I suppose it is only in your eyes and those who share such views of prying into private matters?

CyberG:
This idiot has provided no leadership whatsoever and Nigeria has again missed several opportunities at advancement as a people. If this idiot has to die, only two sets of people will miss him: 1. his family and corrupt hangers-on who goaded him on to his demise 2. the fools who have no brains to see that he is the reason why their child is sick and no hospitals to treat, falling educational standards, no light, no pipe borne water (can you imagine if any Nigerian can just turn on his tap and get both hot and cold water in any quantity which he can drink right away without having to worry about boreholes and purification?), bad roads, increase in armed robbery, kidnapping and now sea piracy, and the list goes on!

Again all you've mentioned is not a justification to make his private life - healthwise - public. It also not a justification to mock him. Only a men of small mind mocks and rejoice in this kind of situation.

The irony of all of these is that you will die too. . . . Perhaps horribly? Remember that before you mock people in the president's situation.