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pingu2k5:
@Elrazur: You do not understand Gudfolk's point. He is saying there cannot be congenital birth when there is no birth from incest.

I do, and I am telling him not everyone uses a condom or use birth control.

He is forgetting that some places cannot afford to use birth control etc as they do not have the means, he is not looking at the bigger picture, but specific places.

Also he is contradicting himself. If he claims off-springs do not come about as a result of incest, then why use protection and what not? Oh wait, it is because it can lead to pregnancy in the first place.



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I dont think he believes in it, but he is trying to make a comparison, that if I advocate for homosexuality, I should do so for other forms of sexual orientation. So far I consider his arguments very weak am afraid.

GudFolk:
Incest DOES not result in pregnancy if you practice birth control. Hence, society can advocate "safe-incest" as a normal human relationship since the first sexual attraction in humans starts with their immediate family members.

Once again you are talking jive. I am forced to ask you for proofs now. Incest is just sex with another person in your blood line. There are potentials for pregnancy to happen just like in other other type of sex. And preganancy have been known to happen as a result, so I posted a link to back this up. Will you do the same to show that incest do not result in pregnancy like you are claiming, because that is an ignorance-view.

Children grow up in a family first and get attracted to their other members, including sexual attraction.

Thank god I did a bit of sociology. Children do not develop sexual attraction when they are growing up at this stage. Attraction comes at a different time by which they will be interacting with the rest of the society and understand the norms and rules. Nice one again, you really showed how flawed your points are.

Are you so daft to always equate incest with pregnancy? that is why we have birth control to enable humans to practice incest as safely as heterosexual relations among males vs female from different families.

I have given you example (See the case of the woman that gave birth to 7 children who her father was the dad). Not everyone uses birth control.

Once again incest DOES NOT diminish the gene pool. The percentage of incestuous relations is a minority. But they can have the same equal rights you advocate for homosexuals.

Yes it does. Unless off course you know better than those who have studied interbreeding in humans.

As per right, I am with the society on this one. The society determines what is acceptable and what isn't as it stand majority of places in the world is against incest. However, if you are into it, good luck, I am sure you will have a swell time shhagging your own sister or mother.

Mr GudFolk

Here is a quick wiki view on incest and it effect on genepool.


In many cases incest is also inbreeding. Inbreeding leads to a higher proportion of congenital birth defects through an increase in the frequency of homozygotes.[49] The effects of this can diverge - recessive genes  that produce birth defects could become more frequent, resulting in a higher rate potential of these defects while genes that do not code for birth defects can become increased within a population. The overall consequences of this divergence depends in part on the size of the population. In small populations, if children born with heritable birth defects die before they reproduce the ultimate effect of inbreeding will be to decrease the frequency of defective genes in the population with an overall decrease in the number of birth defect-causing genes over time. In larger populations it is more likely that large numbers of carriers will survive and mate, leading to more constant rates of birth defects.[50] A 1994 study found a mean excess mortality with inbreeding at the first cousin level of 4.4%.[51]  At any rate,the degenerative effects of inbreeding will only be significantly fatal after two or more repeated incest cases, and that varies depending on the number and quality of inherited congenital disorders of which the family members may be carriers. A study of a group of 21 made up of brother-sister or father-daughter offspring found that 12 had abnormalities with 9 having abnormalities that were classed as severe





I see that your Biology knowledge is very sound.

GudFolk:
Making personal attacks is a clear case of an inferiority complex.

Personal attacks or harsh words you mean? Which ever way, I am calling it as it is. Your arguments are flawed in many ways and very poor reasoning.

Just in case you suffered from a poor biological education, incest DOES NOT deplete the human gene pool any more than homosexuality. You assume that all incestuous intimacy results in pregnancy. There can also be homosexual incest and for heterosexual incest, you have birth control to avoid pregnancy. Hence, the gene pool remains as perfectly safe as removing both incest and homosexuality from the equation of normal human gene pool.

Incestuous sex DO reduce the genepool as undesirable traits eventually transferrs on. (Obviously I was speaking from a view where offspring become involve as a result) On the other hand, all things being equal, homosexuals cannot make babies with another homosexuals. That is two men cannot make a baby.

Incest has not died in society. It is people like yourself who are prejudiced that deliberately discriminate against incest and bring ridiculous arguments about the gene pool while ignoring birth control. Nobody is forcing the whole world to commit incest. We are simply demanding the incestuous marriage have equal rights if you give equal rights to homosexuals who are unable to procreate either.

Hence why I said "99.9%" dufus. I left a room of 0.1% for those who may be in support of it (and may or may not practice it).

Here is a classic case on incestous act that rocked Austria recently, funny enough birth control pill never came into play, and as a result she had 7 children for her own father. Yuk. (See news link). To make it even worse, he locked the gal up for 24 years.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641314185

I await what your views are.

Civilization is not governed by homosexuality, neither is it governed by incest. You have have a very civilized society that discriminates against both and a primitive one that allows both. Civilization is not dependent on homosexuality. But everything is relative so of course you may choose to equate civilization with homosexuality. Similarly, we can INCEST can also the advanced civilization, since birth control is best practiced in America more than Africa, so incest in America DOES NOT deplete the human gene pool.

You really are just saying a bunch of stuff that do not add weight to anything not already known. Having said that allow me to correct some misconception. Civilliasation is governed by many factors and as it stand, let us examine the social-side of things. As it stand, majority of the advanced nation have no problem with homosexuals, but do frown upon incest, and this just so happens to be my stance too.

If you want to sleep with your own sister or your own daughter, please be my guest.  


Again go back to the point I made before, Incest can have a negative effect on the genepool. If you come from a family that is SS (Dominant sickle cell trait) and you guys are sleeping with each other, your off-springs will have weaker gene, this is just basic biology, but I guess you are making the assumption that every incetous scenario uses birth control? What a joke.

GudFolk:
More personal attacks by ElRazur against Gudfolk. Truly sad! Are you emotionally-challenged? Do you get mad easily?

Still, every human being is a fool, since no human being is God. And since you are not God, your arguments to give equal rights to homosexuals prove that the same rights can go to incestuous couples too. True foolishness of so-called equality by denying God and trying to create deficient human laws.

Actually, that was directed at another poster, but if you want to upon yourself, please be my guest as I really do think you have weird logic.

I am not a follower of God, so pardon me if I ignore your rants.

Your news are days old. Dude welcome to the present.

Welcome to three days ago.

You should visit the cyber cafe some more. Not once in a while.

GudFolk:
The problem with Bestiality is that only certain types can be proved consensual. That is those that involve a sexually active male animal (surely we have seen male dogs on people's legs and begin pumping). In such a case if the male animal approaches a consenting human female, then we could say the bestial sexuality is consensual. So maybe American women unable to find boyfriends may begin marrying their male dogs? Who knows, they love dogs in USA?

With male humans on female animals, this is harder to prove, since it is hard to find signs the female animal is consenting.

I am forced to ask you if you are this daft?

During heat period animals have what is called a "Biological imprint" in them to try and mate with almost anything that looks remote interesting. But yeah keep talking.

Also how do you know if an animal consent? They do not have the same higher cognitive function that man posses, so your point is utterly flawed.

GudFolk:
The majority of human cultures also frown on homosexuality, despite its historical existence in the same cultures.

You are missing a vital point here, the society is dynamic and as a result, there continuous changes.   Majority of the advanced nations do not have a problem with homosexuality, is this a coincidence? Or to do with the degree of how such societal interations do have an effect?

With regards to myths, they are stories that humans created to understand their worlds. Myths always reflect realities in the cultures that created the said myths. And those myths influenced daily life. In ancient Egypt, the rulers of the land married their own sisters because their myths told them this was the most sacrosanct form of marriage.

Dude you are saying many things that is neither here or there. A lot cultures were practised, I suppose using your logic it is okay to allow such cultures?

The position of modern-day homosexuals is that the demand equal rights. But these equal rights apply to everybody, so incestuous marriage requires equal rights too. Consensual blood-sports that result in killing, demand equal rights too. After all the combatants consented to fight to the death (and soldiers are not tried for murder of enemies either, but police are). Yet societies always discriminate against certain things in a hypocritical manner. The very same manner in which homosexuals discriminate against incest and pedophelia. Sad!

No. I think you are getting it all wrong with you limited view. Like I said above, loads of cultures were practised throughout the past histories of mankind, some of them have died with time. For example, Cannibalism was the norm in certain society, using your logic I guess it will be a form of discrimination against them if such practices were to outlawed?  

Yes, society do discriminate, it is part of what makes the society dynamic. However, making an argument on the equality and equating of Incest to homosexuals makes no logical sense.

Primarily, the society can afford the ills of homosexuality, however the same cannot be said for incestuous acts.  Homosexuals are not harming anyone, but incest will in most cases lead to a decline in the gene-pool and a weakening of certain traits. This type of fallout is detemined by the society that it cannot be afforded, so what exactly is your problem?

You debate is very typical of the illogical things I read around the web. That is, once homosexuality is being discussed, folks like you try to equate incest, bestiality and paedophilia into the equation. Very wrong as these things are not the same as the topic at hand.

GudFolk:
ElRazur, go and read up more on human cultures, psychology and sexuality. You will realize that incest is the earliest form of loving relationships. That is why it was so prevalent throughout human societies, cultures, myths and religions.

It is easy to make wild claims. Do you mind pointing me as to which part of psychology this may be in?

It is a deliberate discrimination by society at large that prevents incest from emerging in the modern world. But it still happens and will continue to happen, especially with modern birth control.

Are you high, drunk or forget to take some prescribed medication?  So you advocate for incest, try to link it to homosexuals and then rope in birth control into it? Seriously, you are making very little sense.

The only prejudice by homosexuals is that they defend only their selfish form of sexuality at the expense of incestuous sexuality, that is just as badly discriminated against as homosexuality. When you support incest, then I know you truly speak for equal rights. If not then you are just another prejudiced human being who frowns on variants of sexuality.

You accused homosexuals of being selfish, do you mind me asking how is that? Let me repaint what you are saying, it is like you are accusing the ethnic minorities of looking after their own interest while ignoring those of the larger part of the society.  Homosexuals are persecuted, demean by people with your mentality, killed and subjected to various sort of atrocities around the world - Islam nations and Africa in particular. You really have the guts to claim they are being self-fish?

Again it is baffling that you are pushing incest across. Since you appear to lack the needed logic, allow me to point them out to you. While homosexuals do not in anyway affect the genepool.   You see, I am not programmed by nature to find my Sister attractive in a sexual manner, same way I was never programmed to find another man attractive. However, I do respect those who may be homosexuals and their right to be so due to several factor which are not the same for incest.

switosman:
as to ElRazur & ifygurl, sorry is all I can say to you. here is a faceless forum, but more grease to your enemity to God's purpose. there is a way that seems right to a man but the end are ways of death. ride on, you will see what you are looking for by then it will be too late to make turns.

It is sometimes best to keep silent and let people think you are a foooollll, than talk and let everyone be convinced that you really are a foolllll.

Vexdacool.

You really are a joke.

Here is what Muslims like your type do. Once Islam is the spot light over some backward behaviour, people like you are quick to drag other religion into it.

Can you no debate without doing this?

For the record, I am not a Christian and do not condone any of those behaviour.

pingu2k5:
Homosexuality is not inborn! Something is wrong with homosexuals; they should return to their creator to fix them.

This is the only relevant thing you posted, so am gonna reply to it. Pardon me for cutting off the junk you wrote before that.

Listen to you, it appears you are part of the "God's delusion crowd". How come you are born whatever tribe you are? Was it your choice to be born into that tribe? You see at the simplest of things, that is the most simple example I can give you as to how people do not make choices to be gay.

Again you are talking about fix. Remember, Adolf Hitler once tried to fix the Jews. It ended with millions dead. I wonder if you are the new Hitler?




You cannot fix something as deep as sexual orientation. It is part of one's identity and make up.

GudFolk:
Where did you get your statistics of 99.9%? That is pure ignorance on you part, and gross ignorance of human culture and religions.

By 99.9% I am in other words saying "Majority" frowns on it. What is there not to understand?

If ElRazur takes time out from engaging in liberalist propaganda to actually study human history, you will realize that most human beings, even the most primitive adopted some form of religion. Every one of those religions have creation myths and these usually include incest. Therefore, incest is one of the oldest forms of human sexuality.

I don't get you here. Can you be more clear. Are you saying Incest is a myth and do not happen (pleae look up the meaning of myth)

Hence, if the homosexuals are so anti-incest and bigoted in their mindsets against incestuous marriage, why should the majority of the world's non incestuous heterosexuals support either incest or homosexuality? One deviation is just as bad as the other. But if homosexuals believe in equality then let them add incestuous marriage to the Homo-Agenda.

What are you talking about? First you appeared to have said Incest is a myth, then you are trying to equate respect for homosexuality as a justification for Incestuous acts? Are you from the two centuries ago, because quite frankly I am finding it hard to comprehend your mumbo jumbo. Please try again.

PS

This debate is about homosexuality, but if you want to talk about something else, it is entirely your choice.

Ifygurl:
I find it quite sad that nigeria donated this high amount to Pakistan but when Haiti needed help, we didn't donate anything. Sad

I think Nigeria did offer help.

I do however think it is sad that you forget there are more pressing issues at home.

jayrome:
@ El razur
When God cre8d Adam, Eve was also created as his companion nt Steve. God commanded Noah to fil his arc with two animals of each kind male n female. Everything in d world is created 4 a purpose n to say a man was born to be a woman that's totally blasphemous. Even animals know d right thing. Adultery, fornication n some of other things are wrong but u cannot because these rationalise homosexuality. According to Ebenezer Obey 'wat is bad, is bad' der's no 2 ways abt it.
@TUDOR:
better pray 4 God's 4giveness, jus because you r trying to make a point or sound cool doesnt mean u should start 2 blaspheme d holiness of God n his son Jesus Christ.

I think you should be banned for adopting a foreign and alien religion


Dude you really are confused. Olodo oshi.

What a thread. I can see what the OP is trying to say, but his execution is very poor and people just ripped into him. Anyway, allow me to play along lol.

Given that black people have bigger and longer diiiicks and tough, plus they are the most copied race on earth - most races derive their fashion sense and swagger from our hiphop I think yeah, I will be a Black man if there was ever a reincarnation.

Uyi Iredia:
so is killing, lying, corruption & other social vices >>> gimme one good reason why i should be gay

Are you this daft? Who is asking you to be gay? I am defending the right of those who are gay. It is not the same as what you are claiming. Again I am saying Homosexuality is older than the main reason half of the muppets on here are picking to hate it - Religion.

Please tell me how is two men fuckiiing in their own room affecting your life?

onye_ngbu:
Now how can you prove that it is unrelated and that homosexuality is instilled from conception.

Thats where you got it wrong. It cannot be proved that homosexuality in inborn. It might be instilled but not from inception.

Abeg dont separate drug addiction from this if you cant prove it.

Are you kidding me? I am talking about Homosexuality, and he is bringing life-style choices like Drug addiction to the equation.  Listen, people are born gay, unlike drug addiction that it is a choice that people make. In other words, being gay is not a choice.

How many more ignorant minds like yours are out there? Anyway, less than a hundred years ago, witches were burnt at the stakes in England. I guess with time, people like you will die off and a more intelligent type will populate Nigeria.


As per you last point, are you asking me to prove that drugs is responsible for homosexuality?  

GudFolk:
For those like ElRazur who support homosexuality, this is not the only abnormality in nature. For thousands of years in every single human culture, the gods themselves supported incests between Fathers and daughters and brothers and sisters, sometimes even Mothers and sons (though less common than the previous too).

Sadly, reproduction via incest leads to children with deformities, so many societies shunned this. However, fortunately for the modern man, with birth control, it is now possible to have safe incest without risking deformed babies.

Therefore, as homosexuals demand their rights to marry, soon it will also be popular for fathers to marry daughters etc. Hopefully, the homosexuals will not deny the rights for incestuous marriages? As ElRazur said, normality is relative, so modern society can normalize anything today. Ironically, in the USA it is a crime for an 18 yr old to make love to a 16yr old. But a 16yr boy old can comfortably impregnate a 14yr old girl without facing statutory despoil. What a world!

So you started with making a point based on "the gods" wtf? What proof do you have that these "gods" ever existed? I stopped reading when you started talking jives man.

What is homosexuality got to do with incest? 99.9% of the world frown at incestuous acts so what exactly is your point?    Abeg post something meaningful.

aktunde:
I just wonder why most people are taking this issue too serious. I am not supporting gay marriages. In fact, I hate gays!

Who gives a shiiiit what you hate? Here, I hate Yoruba people, don't ask me why, I just hate them. You see it is easy to post trash without using logic just like you did.

You suck, so does your religion. You really do not have a brain. Homosexuality is older than Jesus and Mohammed combined. Go figure!

By the way, there is a thread already on this, why did you have to make another one? Further proof that you have little or no brain.

bawomolo:
i wonder why nigerians aren't these religious when it comes to the issue of pre-marital sex and adultery.

look at all those pervs/freaks  in the sexuality section but somehow homosexuality is considered a taboo 

good post by elrazur - i wonder what the responses were on facebook

If I have the power, I will murder a lot of people for their ignorance I swear!

The response is just some shitty deflective bamboo warble wobble.  Here is the guy that took it upon himself to reply.



@ El Razur: Why is world against people sniffing cocaine and smoking indian hemp, do they hurt any one while doing that, they certainly derive pleasure, ecstasy in doing so. Don't forget that these things hurts themselves. Sex is for procr, eation, between a man and a woman and it is meant for d married.
If men should marry men and women to marry women, how do they give birth to new offspring?
Gay, lesbians, bisexual people are very very bad people, they are demon possessed, their state of mind has changed from normal to abnormal.
It is very very unnatural, even people engaging in super-perversion, it is unnatural too, biologically, they are all bad.

Lets try and correct their abnormal state of mind cos i believe that is where d problem lies, cos for a man to feel something for his fellow man is abnormal




And here is what I further posted in response:


‎@Mozie,

Did you fully read the replies I posted above? If you did, you would see that I already covered your points. But, nonetheless, let do it all over again.

Cocaine and Cannabis are not related to this in any way. These are more or less lifestyle choices and not something as deep as a sexual orientation people have instilled in them from conception. Get it?

Why are you worried about homosexuals giving birth? Giving birth is not the sole aim of every relationship. There are many heterosexual couples who do not care about having children. I wonder if you will go and preach to them to have kids too?

How can someone be "very very bad" because of their sexual orientation? Come on man, that is nothing but generalisation at best. But allow me to play along and employ your logic. Since people are bad on the basis on their sexual orientation, I guess going by your name, you must be Igbo? Guess what, Igbo people are very very very and very bad people you see. Why I hear you ask? Because they are Igbo that is why. Do you not see how silly your point as per homosexuals are?

Listen, who defines what is normal? Just in case you aren't aware, there is no such thing as normal. So it is not worth even bringing up that point at all. For example, I like beef and pork, yet certain parts of Indian see cow as a God and Muslims do not eat pork either, I guess I must be "abnormal" right?

As for correcting their state of "abnormality", what do you suggest we do? Oh wait, someone once had an idea correcting the abnormality of a race and what not back then, his name was Adolf Hitler. Is he your hero? Jesus wept.

Finally, I noted that you mentioned that "sex is for procreation". What a load of non-sense. I also noted that you are in a relationship with one Obi Ngozi. Here, let me make my points hit home and say, every time you have intimacy with her, is it for procreation? Please stop making points that appears to be instilled in you and you cannot question.

Dude, enlighten your mind. Ask questions and broaden your mind. You say a lot of things that should not be said in a public forum like face book as you will be ridiculed and may not like the outcome.See more
Yesterday at 07:46





And then this was his grand reply.



‎@ El Razur: sorry ooh!
no vex and don't insult me
all i know is dat any one who supports gay or lesbianism is a canal minded person and is not spiritually minded at all
Virtually all religion forbids it, and i happened to be a Christian.



So, me being me, I opted to finish him off jare.


Typical reflection and deflection move! Please point out where you have been insulted? By the way, I am not vexing, but I am instead passionate about pointing out your flaws, just the same way you are passionate about religion.

You speak o, f "Canal minded" yet you fail to see how ignorant that makes you sound? I don't know what type of Christian are you, but Lesbianism and homosexuality pre-dates your religion. If only you will read around these things so as to be in the know.

Oh by the way, don't get me wrong I am speaking from my passionate point of view too. Gosh.



That was where it ended. Clearly, he's got a phobia that he cannot justify and instead try and use religion as a cover. What a foolio!

Thanks Ritchboy.


"Your best player will never get in our team. Your coach is the reason why England was shiit at the world cup. . ."


Funny.

Iran's missile drone are worse than the one built and made in Russia that have no embargo on them, talk less of a nation like Iran who no fit get all what they need. If anyone needs reminding, their so called missile launch some few months back contained doctored images. Why would this be? The logical speculation is that one out of the four rockets fail to ignite and launch.


When push come to shove, Iran's air defence system are no match for US/Arab/Israel/Kuwait and co collaboration.

bawomolo:
really the end times, gay people just started existing 5 years ago.

yup makes sense.

I'm sure it went over their heads.


Here is a bit of stuff I posted on facebook. Basically, I challenged the muppets who posted some ignorant comments on facebook,


Once the issue of homosexuality comes to play, trust the ignorant-minded Nigeria to pop out and vent their lame one-liners of "disgusting" "it is unnatural" and how it is against the will of God. Get real people.

A lot of people are missing , some basic points here, these folks are old enough to do what ever it is they want, they are not hurting anyone. Regardless of what some books written thousands of years says, homosexuality is as old as mankind and will continue to be so.

Muhammed had married a minor, a Senator in Nigeria married a 13 year old and over here two grown men are in love, seriously which ones are more disgusting? Which one should cause outrage? Yeah off course, it is the one of the men that are old enough to do whatever they want. Jeez.

As for those quoting the Leviticus, it is funny that it is this same so called bible that said it is okay for a woman to sleep with her husband's brother in order to give birth to a son. It is this same bible that says a woman who committed adultery should be stone or something along those lines. But yeah, trust the Christians to quickly point out it is from the OLD TESTAMENT, but funny enough, Leviticus is one too, but I guess it is okay when quoting it against gay people. What a bunch of hypocrites.

Yesterday at 07:18 ·





I also forget to add that those who may think this is not "natural" act. I say to you that when a male and a female engage in MouthAction, be it Mouth Action or 69 etc, surely these things are not natural because "God" do not intend for the mouth , to suck on those orifices and extra appendages of that body. No?

My point? Who are you to say something is natural or unnatural when it comes to how humans enjoy their intimate moment?





Those are the points I made (plus others) I wonder why our people are forever backward in ideas.

Beaf:
This is a bit closed minded. What do you mean "wastefull?" How do you know other beings do not already inhabit those planets?

Why do you think mankind is special? How have you come to the conclusion that mankinds mode of existence and being is the only available option? If it isn't, how can you tell that there aren't other creatures existing side by side with us, but whom we do not have the senses to percieve? How do you know if creatures similarly out the range of our 5 senses of perception do not inhabit the myriad planets we know exist?

As a human, you are trapped by the patterns you have formed as a crutch to understand your own World, so how can you even begin to talk about God?

While I understand your view points and where he is coming from too. I think I am very tolerant of those who combine God with science. Those who I cannot stand are those who ignore science and embrace God's theory alone!

I read the news this morning, and I think it is just sickening. The idea of an-eye-for-an-eye is clearly a flawed logic in this approach. Gosh. Once again, the religion of peace, that is purported to be perfect has been shown to have flaws. Jesus wept (Muhammed laughs).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utUyha0wjSE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Can someone embed the video please.

It is so true! This is how a few folks also argues around here. lwkmd.

This guys is a joke. First he said "" As for Jonathan, he will contest but he will not win."" and then he said[b] ""If Jonathan contests, he will win by force, ""[/b] I guess by leaning here and there, his prediction will come true.


I am making my own prediction and saying this guy is a Grade one idiiott. Anyone who believes him is a muppet too.

Okija_juju:
You are a difficult one. Like I said earlier, you are entitled to your opinion bout me, just like I'm free to talk about anyone as I see fit. Too bad we have misunderstood each other so far.

Yes I can be a difficult one, especially when someone will see the need to attack or demean someone on the basis of their disability, whilst missing what the article is about. As per to opinion, yes we are entitled to one. However, as it stand so far, your contribution is making it look like for your type, it should be a privilege to be allowed opinions. Yes, your opinion sucks harder than a Dyson hoover.

Be that as it may, I will start from the bit about him wanting to go to space. How useful will Prof. Hawkings be in space?! Would he finally be able to make contact with the much elusive alien life forms we have been searching for??! I dont think so. LooK I'm amazed the guy still has his I.Q intact even with his situation _{(which I now see is a taboo to talk about)}, but simply because you are renowned in THEORITICAL physics dont give you the right to say humans should evacuate earth. Remember that his branch of physics is theoritical not necessarily practical.

Once again, you acted like a muppet, is it hard for you to see beyond his disability? Will you be asking this particular question if he is not physically disable? You see, you are a person just like I said all along. For the record, he's always wanted to be in space and one of the driving forces and desire behind his success.

If I may draw your attention to the obvious fact that a lot of practical elements - You name it - started out as a theory of some kind. It started with inquisitive mind wondering ideas in their head and put forward their idea which forms the basis of a theory. Nice one foolio.

Now his latest statement seems to be falling in line with the latest trend in town, This one being Global warming. Yes we all have heard about it, yes we seem to be noticing changes around us, but if you must know, I am of the school of thought that we humans are too small to destroy earth. The earth is a system, a set of interdependent entities forming an integrated whole. Just when we think we are destroying one part of the system, it would be correcting itself in another. The Earth has been around way too long to be destroyed now. Even the Dinosaurs couldnt achieve such a feat.

What exactly is your point here? Seriously, if you can criticise someone on the basis of their disability, I was actually expecting you to come out with some strong points. Not some regurgitated shiiit that is more or less common knowledge? Seriously, what is your point?

Even if say we could just manage to destroy earth, and had to run with Prof. Hawkings idea of abandoning earth, How does he propose we achieve it? First of all has our renowned genius on extra-terristial and space matters know something he isnt sharing with us fucktards?! like does Hawkings have a map to the habitable planet that could serve as home to humans providing us with good, clean, breathable air, adequate sunlight? fertile soil to grow our seed (food) drinkable water, e.t.c? or a propulsion system hidden somewhere in his bedroom capable of getting us there? Or some other genuis idea on how we are going to either develop faster than light travel (supersonic spaceships or better yet teleportation pods) or produce the food we will need to feed and sustain the human race in the said planet?! Remember that civilization goes beyond humans, it involves animals for meat, plants for food, and water for thirst. O snaps!! He isnt so intelligent afterall now is he?!

You are a Grade A idiiot am afraid. You seem to forget that we currently have nuclear and atomic weapons that are capable of destroying the whole planet over many times. Have you been living in the dark ages?

For the record, he is proposing an idea that we can one run out of resources (or irreversible destroy the earth) and as such, it makes sense to pre-empt and search of planets that can allow survival of human colony. What is there not to understand? For the record, a colony of human may mean a few hundreds or a few thousands, not the whole human race so you really are getting the wrong end of the stick.

Secondly, Why would someone so intelligent, with a said I.Q of over 160, ranked amongst the likes of Albert Einstien and Isaac Newton, keep insisting we try to flee earth, when it is obvious that we have no where to flee to, no way to even flee, and even if by some "super lucky sheer genuis miracle wonder" we did manage to flee earth, we have no way of sustaining ourselves there. Or wait! Is he trying to carry out some sort of Natural selection (or is it artificial selection) where the "super intelligent and rich breed" would hop on a shuttle and leave earth and go to some new planet and repopulate whilst we poor humans remain here and die?? Or how possible is it that we could transport say 20Million people to say Mars for example?!

How much do you know about recent discoveries and developments?  You come across as very naive and borderline ignorant. He is proposing an idea, I am not sure you understand what it means to "propose an idea"? Especially, when we are not to far off from achieving such feats. 

As per the rest of your statement making speculation, I will just let you baseless imagination run wild.

Look Dude (Razur), I am one person who just tries to keep s#!t real. Its sad that he looks that way in that picture, but thats how he looks in all his pictures. Wether he be wearing a tuxedo of nightrobe.It wasnt intended as pun when I posted it, but looking at it now, I guess I understand why y'all would darw such conclusions from it, hence my apologies. Its sad that he is in such a state physically as I wouldnt wish such on even my worst enemy, but that not withstanding, I think Prof. Hawkings seems to be taking advantage of the theoritical aspect of his physics to make insane predictions and all. Yes I believe that someday in the future we would _{(or might just)} exhaust the finite non-renewable resources earth has to offer _{(although I must say that day is billions of years away)}, but one thing he also seems to forget is that we humans are very dynamic. We will cross that bridge when that time comes. Even if it would require us living underground.

What exactly are you "keeping real" here? Your idiottics attempt of mocking a disabled person? Or you moronic rants trying to cover your tracks? Seriously, what are you keeping real?

Dude you apologies means poo to me, you have gone right back to use disability to take a jibe at him. But I guess that is your own way of apologising. Jesus wept.



Seeing that you do not understand a few basics of biology and perhaps physics, allow me to explain to you in very simple terms and analogy:

If you take a colony of bacteria and put them in a agar solution in a petri dish, the bacteria off course will hence multiply and grow larger. However, there comes a point where they will grow past the optimum population and as such the agar solution will eventually run out. When this happen, all the bacteria will die out. It is the law of nature and order of things you see. Now imagine the bacteria is human and the agar solution is the resources available on earth. You see, that alone destroys your theory of "infinite resources".


Yes, humans are very versatile and as such managed to over come these "law of nature". For example, war and epidemics that helps to keep the human population in check are becoming less and less frequent, this means there is an increase in population and as such a drain on the resources. Why do you think China try to keep it population in check via enforcing one-child policy? Surely if resources are limited, they should let their population have kids like rabbits? No?

You see, there are loads of evidences to suggest that one day, we will deplete the resources on earth, there are evidence to support that one day we are capable of destroying our very own planets (Nuclear/Atomic bomb). So it makes sense to look at possibility of planets that may offer us resources in order to carry on our species.

With the advances in physics and science, man have travelled as far back as Sarturn using probes robot, you see it is a matter of time before we do bigger and better things. Heck Richard Branson and co are even looking at offering holiday in space so all your points are utter irrelevant.

I mean, we have to be seen rolling with the "big boys". Besides, we have the image of "African giant" to live up too. Seriously One milla dolapos is too small. Oloshi.

While I understand it was done for humanitarian reasons, it leaves a sore taste in the mouth when we have similar or comparable levels of humanitarian crisis as a result of abject poverty. Oh well, I guess I am missing the picture.

By the way, since you STRONGLY disagree with his views, can you at least come out with a strong counter-view as to why you disagree with him? Instead of posting weak and lame attempts.

Okija_juju:
Mr. ElRazur

I'm really sorry if my post struck a nerve, and I am really sorry if my post made you come to such a conclusion about me (the unmentionable adjectives with which you qualified me all over this thread). But I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.
The fact that Prof. Hawkings records an I.Q of over 160 does not make him immune to being castigated by the public, especially when he makes such statements with which I strongly disagree. It has nothing to do with his current physical state.

Dude, it is clear for all to see exactly what you are pushing across by posting a picture of him. How many thread around here have you posted pictures of who ever said something you disagree with? It is very low of you and a backward approach my friend. The fact that you even try to give justification when everyone can see through you thin-veil attempts at mocking him is just another highlight of the very adjective I used in qualifying you.

When man wanted to visit the moon, folks like you called it a waste of money etc. When man wanted to conquer space, I am sure it was your kind who wrote tp the authority to make complaints. Nice.

If you want to disagree with him, by all mean do so. However, trying to use his not-so-appealing photograph to discredit him is just very low. Period.

*Hauwa*:
do you mind him, it is the same way they don't respect the less fortunate among them in their country, long hissssssssssssssssssss

bless you Hawking, long live man.

Some people are just simpletons you see.

I personally do not think he is less fortunate. He's a genius and I see that first and see him as a human second. His disability are part of what makes him who he is. I have no idea what is like to be like him, and vice versa. Hence, why there should be a mutual respect.

From the top of my head, he's got a debilitating condition from a very young age. He went to either Oxford or Cambridge university and I truly respect him for what he's achieved. He's got three kids or so with a loving wife. His life is most likely better than those mocking him in my opinion.

Kx:
Person never think how him go take leave wheelchair, na earth him wan commot.

Well done. Another person in the building.