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olugabbie:
The S-500 defence system is a Russian weapon. It has not been built. It is still work in progress. Russia claims that the weapon will be able to detect & track stealth fighter jets and neutralise both supersonic & hypersonic ballistic missile.

I don't think it can stop Zircon. Zircon is a cruise missile. Both S-400 & S-500 are not designed to stop cruise missile. Weapon like Panshir and Tor defence systems are designed to neutralise cruise missile (subsonic & supersonic cruise missile only).

The S-500 that Russia has successfully tested this week and will be deploy by the end of the year or another S-500?

Kingsleyphy:
Oga aircraft carrier against a world power is a sitting dock waiting to get sunk it is only useful against countries that can't fight back

una dey funny for this Nairaland as in!... The Russia ship that fires the Zircon can't be taken out because it's mobile and at sea (a.k.a not a sitting duck). But an aircraft carrier that is mobile and at sea becomes a sitting duck once it's American. Go figure

emmygzy:
no dey cap bro. They can't invade shit. Only those small countries. They can't even invade small north Korea.

Let this mighty North Korea breed a terrorist ring and then carry out operation on US soil.
America backed South Korea gained more territory after the war than they had before but The US failed.
Israel gained more territory after a war than before, Israel win.
America backed Southern Vietnamese pushed their Northern counterparts all the way into Northern Vietnam, enter China with guerrilla tactics and push back the American backed Vietnamese that the border stayed exactly the same as the was before, but the US lost.
Russia tried to invade Afghanistan but lost, nobody is talking. America successfully invade Afghanistan, dethrone the Taliban government, pushed them to a confined small area. Decide to pull out after 20 years. But the US lost.
When it's other countries, any small shift is a win. When it's America, it's never a win no matter how glaring it is. Go figure

tishbite41:
When we talk about missile and space tech -Russia
Military aviation and marine - USA

space tech really?
Moon Landing
GPS
Spy satellite
Intergalactic research and exploration.

olugabbie:
Lol! All the existing missile defence systems are built to stop subsonic or supersonic missile. Not hypersonic missile. Russian S-500 is one of those missiles defence systems that can stop hypersonic missile. But the weapon is still work in progress. I am sure US has their own program in progress.

quick question: How is the S-500 built to stop a weapon you said is super maneuverable at hypersonic speed?

PerfectlyPerfect:
The F-35 has been in production for more than 10 years and so even if that's the first block it should show its stealth capabilities to the fullest but it failed woefully in that.
No air defence system is stationed alone, there's always accompanying systems included to enhance its abilities. Russia is developing the S-500 because the arms race never ends; if you develop a great system, it's only a matter of time before your adversaries find a way to bypass it.
The patriot is a great SAM and I know they're not in the same category, I used it to give an example to show how good the Americans are at promoting and hyping their systems while downplaying the system of other countries

Really? a system that failed woefully is in operation in 13 different countries. UAE are willing to kick out Huawei telecommunications infrastructure from their defense network just to get their hands on it. Russia has been developing their stealth aircraft (Su-57) for also a decade but still don't have any export same with the Chinese that they had to play the F-22 tape (not for export). Failed woefully, that's hilarious.
The Patriot system is not hyped, it has real life combat experience to show for its effectiveness something you can't say of the S-400. If the Patriot was just hype and vibes, I'm sure after the bombing of Saudi oil rig, the Crown would have purchased the S-400 when Putin personally offered but they rejected the offer. In case of Turkey, the reason the bought the S-400 was because America didn't want to sell them the Patriot because of some human right violation.
But sure the Patriot is hyped and the S-400 isn't.
Something you might want to know, you can see stealth aircraft using low frequency (x- band or something) but you can't get a lock on it in that frequency. But your radar to track it in that frequency will make your radar station beam like a Beacon that can be seen from the ISS. Taking it out becomes a walk in the park.
I'm not saying America don't hype their systems, every country does but calling a system that has been combat tested hyped and praising the one that has only been tested in a controlled environment is what I'm against.
I mean there's a live video of the S-400 failing to launch one of its missile and it blew up destroying the whole system. It will be stupid of anyone to see that video and underestimate the S-400 because of that.

Simeonjoe1:
I don't get? Are they both not an air defense system, against aircraft and cruise missiles?

Each SAM has a certain area they cover and operate effectively. The S-400 is vulnerable to a Tomahawk because it's radar can't detect below is it 30 ft or metre. Something like that.
THAAD is an Air defense but it can't go after aircraft because it's core function is ballistic missile interception. Same thing as the Patriot, it's detection range and the number of things it can go against isn't the same as the S-400.
Like I said, in Russia, the don't station the S-400 alone, to cover it weaknesses, it's paired with the S-300, S-200, PANSTIR and other SAMs.
Same thing in US, they don't station the Patriot alone, they all have their weaknesses and area of strength

seunny4lif:
Armenian were stupid to pack S300 without using it

lol... but it was sha destroyed ba.... I think the problem we all have is that we take successfully tested to mean 0% chance of failure. Anything manufactured will have some degree of failures from simple thing like pencil to A.I. Once we come to terms with that some of the insane point we bring here on nairaland will reduce (not you). Like the other day I read someone comment where he said Russia has invisible submarine when all submarine especially the ones with ballistic weapons are by design made to be invisible.
Simple things like mobile phone can have a 1000 defects out of 1000000 units off production lines.
The F-35 can fail at the crucial point. The S-400 can fail to fire same for any other SAM. But once something has been successfully tested in a controlled environment, we take it on our head that it can't fail which isn't reality

Simeonjoe1:
Nah not really I think s400 beats the patriot

not in the same category... It's like comparing the S-400 against THAAD.. They don't perform the same core function.
Russia is a defensive nation. America is offensive, their priority and philosophy for their weapon systems differs accordingly

seunny4lif:
When did Israel take out S300?
S300 has never been used in Syria
The Russia military still don’t allow Syria military to use S300

Long time bruvh!!!
S-200 was destroyed in Syria
S-300 was destroyed in the Armenian war

PerfectlyPerfect:
I understand. Every country needs to hype their systems in order to get buyers. The US did same with their f-35, they claimed they evade all anti-aicraft systems but in the Syrian war, the Russians showed that the s400 systems tracked several F-35 and F-15 and could've shot them down. The US media had to go on over-drive to downplay this fact. The truth is that war is business. Big business, and the US' economy has war as one of its highest income earners

It's Israel that flew the F-35 in Syria. That's the first block of F-35 that left production line.
the S-400 that you keep hyping even in Russia isn't stationed alone because on its own, it has weaknesses. Why did Russia hastenly developed the S-500.
Something you should know, the Patriot and the S-400 aren't the same category. But you won't know that's why you compare them. The Patriot is one of the best SAM in the world for its category

Simeonjoe1:
Yeah but intercepting a hypersonic missile within the earth atmosphere is still a problem.

the comment wasn't complete. The next one is.... It's more of a challenge than a problem

Simeonjoe1:
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ICBM has a predictable path of travel so it's easier to intercept them during their second phase that's why during their re-entry (terminal phase) its hard to intercept them.
Hypersonic missile travel within the atmosphere, meaning lesser detection time and difficulty in intercept due to their maneuver and unpredictable pathway. Mind you missile defense interceptors also travel at hypersonic speed to intercept warhead at space but within the atmosphere they travel at Mach 3+. So there'll be outrun by hypersonic missiles

The THAAD intercept in space, the Aegis Defense system intercept either during initial phase or on re-entry with hard to kill vehicle meaning it has to hit the warhead at the tip using it kinetic energy to force it to explode and it has been successfully tested.
Hypersonic missiles give similar signature as ballistic missile when fired. It's easy to detect it once fired but their speed gives you less reaction time.
The US has spent the last two years sending upgraded satellite to space, improving it NORAD and finally stationing a missile detection and defense system in Poland all in preparation for such scenarios.
Missile maneuverability doesn't mean it performs stunt in the air just a change of movement in their final phase. It can be track and intercepted but time is less.
Tomahawk does the same maneuverability (a.k.a terrain hugging / sea hugging)

P.S: I'm not downgrading the capability of the Zircon, before they come for me. I'm just saying it's common sense that Russia that spent money to develop the missile won't come out to say, it's hypersonic but the West can intercept it. Europe will tell you the meteor is the best Air to Air, America will tell you the sidewinder is. India will tell you Brahmos is the best. China will tell you theirs is. It's all about selling your product. Once they come out with a pitch like "No missile defense system can intercept", countries like Algeria, Egypt, Turkey and the rest will be interested. That's how the defense industry make their money

Simeonjoe1:
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ICBM has a predictable path of travel so it's easier to intercept them during their second phase that's why during their re-entry (terminal phase) its hard to intercept them.
Hypersonic missile travel within the atmosphere, meaning lesser detection time and difficulty in intercept due to their maneuver and unpredictable pathway. Mind you missile defense interceptors also travel at hypersonic speed to intercept warhead at space but within the atmosphere they travel at Mach 3+. So there'll be outrun by hypersonic missiles

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mach7:
There is no current system known to the public that is able to shoot down hypersonic missiles. The S-500 Prometheus which was tested today can come close, but the Aegis system SM-3 missile is far from it.

why una dey like this. Join the hype of hypersonic... What's the speed of a ballistic missile on reentry? (Mach 30). You're saying a missile defense system that uses a hard to kill vehicle not an explosive head o! can't intercept a Mach 7 warhead?

KrazyDave16:
The same internet gave me what I told you and I broke it down but you still couldn't grasp anything...

Honestly, arguing with you is pointless. Believe in whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Me: "But the price of the 12 is the same as the 11 and its sales are doing great. Samsung had to use the same strategy for the S21 to be successful".
You: "Same price
If you mean PR, campaigns and discounts, that's a different story"
(The truth: The price of launched price of iPhone 11 and the current price of iPhone 12 are the same. I said current because the launched price of the iPhone 12 Pro Max was $100 more).
I asked you to check it out yourself as I had already replied someone here with the same info.
But what did you come back with??
"The iPhone 12 sales is declining" and info about how Apple bumps the prices of their phone to report profit.
The second argument makes no sense when the phone were launched at basically the same price as their predecessor. How can you bump the price of a phone to stay the same
Coming to your former "sales premise". The iPhone 11 launched in 2019 and as of Q1 2021, it was still in the Top 5 most bought phones in 2021.
The iPhone 12 was launched in October 2020, it sold 100 million units in 7 months (a record) and is still selling and will still be selling even when the next iPhone is launched.
I always view people that are tech enthusiasts to be above average that they don't need simple explanation but what do you know.

You're the one that didn't know the price of the phones. Once you found out. Did you accept it in good faith? No. You decided to change strategy and come up with sales when you quoted me about price but I'm the one that likes to argue apparently and can't accept that my view is challenged. Go figure

Mustiboy:
It's like you're mistaking me for the guy who made that statement.

My own stance is different. I never made any contradicting statement.

oh! yeah... sorry. My bad!

Mustiboy:
You were making it seem like everyone ditching out facts here hate Apple. That's what Fanboys do.


I wouldn't be surprised if you're using an iPhone 6. Na Una dey make this kind noise.

how Oga?
you keep trying to force an argument with me. I'm not arguing with you.
You made a contradictory statement, I drew your attention to it.
If as you so claim I wanted to make it sound like you hated Apple or everyone here does, I would have used that contradiction to make a case but no I only pointed it out to you.
I even ask you to explain further because it might be contradictory to me but you have a perfect explanation for it. We learn everyday which is my believe but did you explain? No. Have you corrected the contradiction? No. Saying I like argument or I'm making it everybody VS Apple; instead feels like the right path for you to go.
PS: you can let it be there, it's your public record not mine.

Mustiboy:
You like arguing, don't you?

I personally don't hate Apple, and there are still certain things I like about their business strategy, not necessarily about their phones.


But let's face the news at hand, and it's that Apple's sales is dwindling, obviously because people are waiting out the next iteration of iPhones while Samsung and Xiaomi, on the other hand, are still raking in sales from their new devices.

It's simple logic, and nobody is downplaying Apple. They probably will reclaim that no. 2 spot when the iPhone 13 series hits the market.

But what we're looking at here currently is that Apple has not been able to record the same success as they did since the iPhone 6 Series, and people are not seeing enough reasons to upgrade to the latest iterations of their smartphones anymore.

And the problem is you don't wanna admit it.

Even the in the US which is one of their strongholds, how many people people can afford an iPhone 12 Pro Max there? Let's not act like we don't know the income of an average American. Many of them are still using older generations of iPhone.

Apple thinks maintaining the flagship/premium game will always play in their favour. Time will tell.

Why this generation dey like this. That statement contradicted itself. Why I pointed it out. Then you go on and on and on about other stuff. Why would I care if you hate or like Apple?
You can't say B outsold A but A is better in sales. It doesn't make any sense. Wasn't an argument, not looking for one. Pointing out a contradiction

Timiflexi:
I hope I can communicate my thoughts in the right way and not be misunderstood

So let's leave this facts and figures and try to be objective for a bit
I sincerely think both of you are right in your own way
I personally think the number of iPhones been sold has reduced (not as much as is been publicised though)
I personally think again that apart from the iPhone 6 the next iPhone that did very well in sales was the iPhone X series cause it was a huge jump from the features of the 8

Now I think this has affected iPhone for the last 2 years. Their iPhone 11 was definitely not a big jump from the iPhone X and so yes, most people did not buy that.(my personal opinion )
The iPhone 12 came and it got a big bump in screen, battery and a few other things and definitely people jumped on it so yes......I think the iPhone 12 definitely sold more than the iPhone 11 but I don't think Its doing better in sales than the iPhone 11


I would also like to point out that I think personally apple is now more concerned about you subscribing to their numerous services than you buying their iPhone yearly.
I think that's where most of the profit is relaistically coming from .




The androids on the other hand topping the chart have been having Better sales on the next gen of their phones compared to iPhones
The s21 ultra will definitely selll more than the S20

Same thing with Xiaomi mi11 ultra selling more than their last flagship

The same thing also happens with their midrangers

We obviously know people are rushing for Xiaomi 10 pros,Poco and Samsung a31,50's and what not.



Let me just end here .
Ask yourself this question
If 10 people were In a room different financial status but well educated and all and you told to instantly buy a phone they can afford
I think we all know were the pendulum will swing




And that's why Samsung is currently no 1
Xiaomi no 2
iPhone 3..


.again it's my personal opinion and just how I see things no bias or anything .
Hopefully people read to understand and not to argue

The iPhone 12 sold more than the iPhone 11 but isn't better in terms of sells than the iPhone 11.
care to elaborate??

KrazyDave16:
Checked it out.

iPhone 12 sales still declining.

Apple pushed trade-in with more Android devices listed and bumped the price for each device trade-in after they reduced the trade-in value of the iPhone 11 to get more profits

Freebies on their products increased, subscriptions slashed...


Sure Samsung has been doing it, it's a first for Apple (or not) but its community keeps living in denial

Jeez!... use the Internet Oga. Not going over the same point as with the other two. From overpriced to having freebies and slashing subs. Right.

KrazyDave16:
Same price

If you mean PR, campaigns and discounts, that's a different story.

I posted their prices for the other guy, you can check it out

Meister:
Boss you too dey change mouth, you literally wrote that the price of 11 and 12 are the same and Samsung is following their footsteps in that regard but your new write up shows otherwise or do you think a $100 difference is same as being the same price ?

In comparison check the difference in the launch price of S20 against S21

Really? I'm wrote the launched prices of those phones which are all online. Once they were available for sales, the iPhone 12 Pro Max was/is sold for $1099. You can check it online. I wrote 4 prices for four phones with 2 matching the previous generation and that means I'm changing mouth or you don't want to accept you don't know that.
For your Samsung, this is their launched prices:
Samsung S20 5G - $999
Samsung S20+ 5G - $1199
Samsung S20 Ultra 5G - $1399
then
Samsung S21 - $799
Samsung S21+ - $999
Samsung S21 Ultra - $1299.

You really think that if the S21 was sold for $474, it wouldn't literally be the most bought phone of 2021?. Why would anyone buy the A72 that costs more if the S21 was $474. Hilarious.
Like I said Samsung after the S20 line up wasn't an overall success followed Apple strategy of not increasing cost even with the overall increase in performance and features of the newer model and it worked for both companies...

atheistandproud:
This is a schematic of how Apple's prices have risen so that they keep posting postive figures for shareholders.

As you have said, if the flagship market is declining, how are apple still posting positive figures, year on year or YoY?

Something has got to give. In this case, it's price. That's why I keep hitting on it.

This your goalpost method of argument sha.

If Q3, Apple takes #2 or #1 sef. I'll be here to announce it. Maybe then I go turn Apple fanboy. Till then sha.

lol... 11 pro and 11 pro Max that was launched at $999 and $1099 is now $1600 on your own chart. weldone Sir.
Jeez!

Meister:
Price of 12 has never been same with that of 11 and the S21 is actually lesser than the S20 when it was released, just want to point that out

smh... Do you people ever learn about Apple?
iPhone 11 - $699
✅✅ 11 pro - $999
✅✅ 11 pro Max - $1099

iPhone 12 Mini - $699
✅✅ 12 - $799
✅✅ 12 Pro - $999
iPhone 12 Pro Max - $1199

what I meant by Samsung following the same strategy was that even with the increase in performance and features the price didn't correspond to that.

KrazyDave16:
Y'all are funny on this thread and no different from those fanboys at Apple reddit sub.

Similar post there, the same argument but truth is those profits are from Apple selling the iPhones as a premium commodity which boosts profits and other factors comes in play but we won't know since Apple no longer goes public with their sales like atheist said (and I've confirmed from today's gsmarena article).

If Apple wants to make profits, they'll jack the prices of the 13 series and come out saying they've made profits irrespective of declining unit sales and many will take it as is without much questions.

But the price of the 12 is the same as the 11 and its sales are doing great. Samsung had to use the same strategy for the S21 to be successful.

atheistandproud:
Everything you have said now still doesn't change the fact Xiaomi has broken into the top #2 for the first time ever whilst Samsung holds on to top spot.

iPhone sales are declining. You're yet to refute that argument.

iPhones YOY will remain steady as they continue to increase the prices of their devices to break even. Will they break back into the top #2, yes at some point. Is that a sustainable business model? Of course not.

Since you're hard of hearing. Here is the news, again, Xiaomi have reached top #2 in the world for the first time surpassing Apple in the process. Like they did to reach #3 last year (again). With their average growth chart, they seem to have a very good outlook.

1) YOY doesn't mean price it's a yardstick for an somehow accurate statistical analysis.
You keep wailing about how the Iphone is overpriced but the Samsung S21 Ultra cost $200 more than the iPhone 12 pro max, without giving you the charging brick or the earphone jack port but nobody will wail about that because it's not Apple. Google Pixel 5 goes for $700 with a mid-range processor plastic built while you get a premium built iPhone 12 mini for the same price but nobody will wail about that because it's not Apple.
Same way a lot of folks here will wail about Google surveillance and how they are evil but the Harmony OS has been out for sometime now, I'm yet to see people go out of their way to get it. Which bags the question, is it now a crime to run a successfully business just because that business isn't inline with your preferences
2) Read and try to understand what you read. How many times will I address this "IPhone sales is declining" abi until I call you?? How can you say IPhone sales is declining when the Iphone 12 sells more than the Iphone 11. When you bring your CNBC and Vice chart whatever, I explained in clear terms that the overall flagship market is losing because of the rise of mid-ranges. How can something that's is posting a considerable sales YOY be in decline... If 200 people are buy A and then a fraction of that stop buying A, then A cannot sell 200 units anymore. It's not magic, it's simple as A B C. A in this case is the flagship market.


I'm not saying you shouldn't fam Xiaomi, but don't downplay Apple because of that. The market is Big enough.

dancok:
i like iphone but i dont like their restrictions at all, i buy phones i can change my themes anyhow, i know there will be 1million of my kind out there,there by they have lose that 1million potential buyer because of their restrictions.

You're not their target market. Every company has one not just Apple. Company like Bugatti that only sales to people who have previously bought a Bugatti or has atleast 8 figures in savings. What would you said when Toyota are selling 100 of millions of their cars? One of the core requirements to successfully running a business is to define your target market.
That you like to customize your phone already rule you out as their target audience.
There are what like 7 billion people on earth, the smart phone market hasn't reached everybody so let's say 500miilion people don't own one that leaves 6.5billion people. Of the number Apple (one company) has 1 billion, and Android which consist of more than 10 OEMs takes 5.5billions. Now do the math.

atheistandproud:
You're starting to look like one of those people who argue for argument sake.

You have made a lot of erroneous claims and have completed refused to address many of my points.

1. Xiaomi have always posted their position since they got to 5th spot. So if anyone has fallen for marketing gimmicks, I believe you have a selfie camera. Look at it and put it on.

2. You have conveniently ignored the charts and screenshots from CNBC and Vice which shows that overall iphone sales are on the decline since the highs of the iPhone 6.

Unlike you, I use Canalys which is an authority in this matter and Canalys are not partial in their reportage. I also do not misrepresent figures as you have consistently tried to do. You have shifted goalposts now to quarterly reports.

In Q3 2020, Xiaomi climbed up to 3rd spot
In Q4 2020, Apple took top spot
In Q1 2021, Samsung took back 1st spot and Apple fell to 2nd
In Q2 2021, Samsung holds top spot and Xiaomi are now second. Apple have fallen to third place for the first time. That's the news.

It's so damn easy to comprehend. There's no need to masturbate over anything.

In terms of Revenue, Apple are still top. They're still one of the most valuable brands in the world. I can say this because I'm neither dishonest nor am I a brand soldier.

The news is the news, facts are facts.

At this moment, Xiaomi has overtaken Apple. Take it or leave it.

Q3 Apple were 4th, you post pictures you don't even look at. Which is why I said the same thing happened. I don't make erroneous claims, you can point them out if I did. I can point you to the post another Xiaomi fan make during that period repeating the same thing you said "Apple sales is declining, Xiaomi is increasing", " Apple like BlackBerry will soon go extinct" and the rest. Then Q4 happened which you still haven't answered the question I asked, if Apple sales is declining why did they suddenly beat everyone in Q4?
To answered your questions about the CNBC and Vice which I thought, my bad, you'd figured it out, the midrange wasn't dominant in that peroid. Apple don't operate much in that market. If 20 people had 5 options to choose from, you can assume to some degree of accuracy that 1 person will choose 4. If that options suddenly explodes to over say 50, then what you can only do as a company is consolidate your loyal customer base.
You said people are not buying iPhone 12 but I just showed you the record 100millions sales the phone made. That's a flagship phone sales. The same phone you said are overpriced yet the ones made by companies that don't overprice their phones (flagship) can't boast of the same number.
Lastly, I don't argue for argument sake, I'm even bored constantly replying you. The only reason I replied you was when you make two erroneous claims:
1) "People are no longer buying iPhones" (citing your cousin as a prove). When as you like to browse the net always the real stats was there which implies that either you deliberately ignored it to drive home your one sided point or you didn't know about it.
2) "Apple sales is declining and Xiaomi sales is increasing" - tactically you're not wrong but that's only if we want to have a myopic view at it. The whole flagship market is in decline not just Apple, But Apple still sell the most flagship and their YOY is still net positive so an holistic view of that statement is wrong which again points to my "either or statement" of your first point.

atheistandproud:
Overpricing their products, you mean.

The only reason apple breaks even is because they overprice their products and have incredibly high (ludicrously high in fact) profit margins and combine all revenue from their vast ecosystems together.

Funnily enough, you my guy has been jumping from pillar to post, from apple selling the highest, to flagship sales and now to me being cherry picking.

My argument has been the same.

Premise 1: Apple sales are declining

Premise 2: Xiaomi are increasing

Conclusion: Xiaomi sells more than Apple does.

It's very simple logic.

Evidence: Canalys France and Xiaomi sales figures.

Why English hard like this?

cherry picking because I've asked what happened in 2020 Q4 and 2021 Q1 after the same scenario of Apple sales declining and Xiaomi increasing happened in 2020 Q3. Did they stop selling phones during that period and went on a vacation??
You can only say Apple sales is declining when their YOY is net negative which isn't the case here.

Meister:
N.B. Huawei lost its position to Samsung because of the US sanctions not because Samsung allegedly produced more midrange phones.

I don't really understand what's so hard to understand in this thread, iPhone sells the most flagship phones (this is a known fact) but Xiaomi and Samsung sell more phones in general given that they also produce way more phones for every user irrespective of how much you can afford so I don't know why this is so hard to understand.

If you have a shop that you sell only 4 high selling products and I have an opposite shop and I sell 26 medium selling products I'll obviously sell more stuffs than you

Comprehension!!... I never said Samsung won back #1 because of producing more phones. I said Samsung lost because they weren't that into midrange and entry level and when they lost, they responded by producing more for those markets. Why Huawei aren't there and what Samsung did after getting displaced are two different things.
This same ish happened last year Q3 and as it is now people jumped on the bandwagon but when Q4 came around and iPhone beats made their come back as it usually does, I didn't see any post. 2021 Q1, didn't see any post so can you make me understand, did Xiaomi stop selling phones within that period or what??
Like I said since the first post Q2 and sometimes Q3 are not usually Apple strong suit, there are lot of posts explaining the reason behind that, chief of them being if consumers are in the market for new iPhones around this period, they usually prefer to wait it out for 2 months for the new shiny to drop rather than buying the current latest.

atheistandproud:
In your haste to defend Apple, you have chosen to ignore reason.

1. The market is judged by the number of markets you control and the amount of phones sold not the TIME TAKEN to sell them. Common sense.

I sell 500 bananas in 10 mins, you sell 2000 bananas in 2 hours. I go come dey celebrate say I sell pass you. That is what you are saying.

2. I never said flagship sales. The smartphone market is not judged by flagship sales. How you managed to pull that out of your ear is amazing.

The market is judged by how many phones you can sell. From Entry level to Flagship.

3. If Apple are honest, why are they only giving estimate of sales to the public and not actual figures. They post their revenue regularly but won't post phone sales.

Samsung and Xiaomi are selling more phones than Apple at the moment. They're the top two in the market. It's as simple as that. No need to overcomplicate anything.

smh... FYI, Apple operates in the flagship realm. you selling 500 bananas in 10mins isn't relevant if 80% of your sales is 1 monetary unit while my 2000 sales in 2 hours are all in the higher cost limits.
Since you keep cherry picking what you think is your vantage points. Why not post Q1 market share?? See who is accusing a $2Trillion dollar company of not being honest. Why didn't Xiaomi make this same post in 2020 Q4 or 2021 Q1??
You're falling for a marketing strategy but will be the first in line to throw mud at people buying Apple products.
Samsung lost their #1 position to Huawei briefly and they responded by releasing series of series of midrange phones. Apple has been selling flagship and by Q4 they will be back at #2 as usual. That should tell you something. There's a reason why they are still the industry leader when it comes to mobile computing.