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Very interesting write-up. . .Pagan9ja, do you regard your god as equal with other gods from traditional beliefs?

Do you think that all these other pagan gods exist in harmony with one another? i.e. not in opposition such as Jesus and Allah

@ stillwater

I was in dialogue with a pagan here on Nairaland and your statement reiterates what he said so I will revise my former comment and concede you are indeed right concerning traditional beliefs standing with culture however I still maintain faith is not hereditary . . we may inherit rites and practices but each individuals faith in God is personal. I used both words (faith and religion) interchangeably during much of the course of this topic which is an error on my part.

I guess I was evaluating the relationship between religion and culture using my own background as a point of reference. I view Christianity as independent from my culture. . . .but I suppose I can consider certain traditional beliefs (pertaining to my ethnic group) as an attachment to my own culture.

Plutarch:
Ok. What do u mean by early stage of life? I presume u r not a teenager

I mean I am not yet an accomplished woman, I still have some rungs on the ladder to climb so I'm only at the beginning. . .well I'm not a teenager anymore, I evolved recently

as a friend of course

as a husband . . .erm let's just say I'm most likely to narrow down my options when it reaches that stage.

sauer:
je ne te crois pas! Des femmes ne lirent pas la philosophie! C'est ce que j'ai observé depuis longtemps :-D. Dis moi, ce livre que tu lis, de quoi s'agit-il? Qui est l'auteur?

lol les femmes ne lisent pas la philosophie? alors peut-être je suis l'exception

Je n'ai pas commencé à lire des livres encore la philosophie (parce que j'ai été chercher un bon livre). En attendant, je viens étudier un peu sur quelques philosophes.
Cependant je prévois de lire de Meditationes de Prima Philosophia bientôt. . .

Est-ce que tu es nigerienne? Qu'est-ce que tu as étudié a la fac?
Tu m'etonnes. Cela me surprendrait si tu fait vraiment intensiv de la philosophie.

Je m'interesse. . .

Non, Je suis Nigérian. . .et toi?  Je étudier l'art. . .mais je suis intéressé par la philosophie parce que je veux traduire ma pensée à travers la représentation visuelle et je veux aussi d'interpréter les pensées des autres en utilisant l'art. J'ai vraiment envie de relier les deux langues (l'art et la philosophie)

P.S. J'aime Google translate

Plutarch:
Most of us inherited our faith. Am a xtain but i fink if i was born into anoda religion i would hv found my way back to xtain. It fits into my emptiness,search 4 fortress n blend with my nature.

@emofine,pardon my curiosity r u married?

lol no I'm not married - I'm still at the early stage of life.

I remember a conversation I had a long time ago with a Muslim male. I asked him many questions about Islam. I finally asked him if he was a Muslim because he was born into the religion, he more or less admitted that he was. I then asked him if he thought he would have been a christian if his parents were and he refused to answer.

Now if he had arrived to such belief (Islam) independent of his parents I am sure he would have been confident enough to answer my question.

stillwater:
It's good to question things. We are humans with brains, right? The issue is just like a Muslim becoming a Christian. However in my next life, I'd still come back a Christian. Why? It has not prevented me from pursuing my dreams. And I don't feel restricted. I'm not perfect but as I grow older I even want to increase in my spiritual life as a Christian. I have found what works for me. I do not consider it a task going to church on Sundays, even though I had grumbled as a kid when dragged to church as a kid.

I do not find it wrong instilling your faith in your kids. We could as well throw away our culture and let our kids decide if they want to be Yoruba or Igbo. Because culturally, how have we progressed in Nigeria? How has our culture encouraged 'free thinking'?

Lol, at busybody. . .still doing what you do best.

I believe culture is largely different from faith i.e. you can be a native Jew but not adhere to Judaism - culture is hereditary not faith.

Culture is linear. Faith is personal. I cannot decide which family I'm born into but I can decide which religion I want to adopt.  I can also decided to stop following a particular religion but I can never divorce myself from my inherited culture.
The only similarities between these two is that a parent can teach a child their culture but you cannot necessarily instill in them pride the same way you can nurture your child in a religion but cannot ultimately instill in them faith.
I used to observe the rites of Christianity i.e reading scriptures, praying + fasting. . .but that did nothing to increase my faith in God.
If God granted us free will surely every child born into a religious home should be awarded that God-given right.

Bawss1 explained it best when he said religious parents should first be an upstanding example of their faith so that when their child is wise enough to comprehend the magnitude of a particular religion they can thus "choose" of their own accord.

MsDarkSkin:
The same black men who have the ignorant belief that any and all type of woman is better than their own black women are not the types i want anyway. Why would any normal minded black woman be upset or angry when they see such self hating black men with other women? It's like [size=18pt]'GOOD RIDDANCE!'[/size]

Lol exactly they can breed their blackness out of existence for all I care and have you noticed the men who are likely to complain about black women dating out are guilty of such themselves lol honestly.

[quote author=obo_man link=topic=786945.msg9396879#msg9396879 date=1319304509]ewwww,  tueee,[/quote] wetin consain u? or you dey vex at the thought of that "super-hot black woman getting pounded by a white man"

[quote author=obo_man link=topic=786945.msg9396906#msg9396906 date=1319304775]@emofine, there is only one universally recognized meat, it's called ' chocolate plantain'.[/quote]lol you're silly

You just want to have your cake and eat it too.

[quote author=obo_man link=topic=786945.msg9395887#msg9395887 date=1319293875]Yes, I why won't I feel jealous? All black women are my sisters, lol,  I can't imagine the sight of a super-hot black woman getting pounded by a white man. It shouldn't happen because I think only black man deserves that, not dem white dudes.[/quote]Oh, so only the beautiful black women should be exclusive abi?

coogar:
he wasn't trying to relay any message. it was just a research but people got hyper about it.

What was the aim and result of his research if he wasn't trying to relay an outcome?. . .Granted "message" may have been the incorrect term employed (because I really can't claim to know this man's intention even though his findings allows particular groups to be marginalized.)

It is certainly not "just a research". Many of these "just a research" have been done time and time again using different variables, demoting black men and/or women in the process. Thus when such analysis once again is brought to the forefront it reopens former sentiments and strengthens stereotypes. Furthermore it is further disappointing when so called educated people are behind such compilation that causes some people to get "hyper about it".

you are very correct. some of these men will likely produce daughters that are less attractive provided the genes of the other partner(the black woman) is dominant. at least, according to darwin's theory - this is very possible.

Oh so the existence of the wowo populace can now be firmly blamed on the black woman - na wa oh . . . well according to Darwin blacks are less evolved than whites so how much of his words shall we truly sieve through before we reach unbiased territory?
Was it not the "less attractive" black women that carried you highly attractive black males in her womb. . . give your counterparts some credit, chai.

If black women according to Dr Satoshi Kanazawa's research are indeed the least desired by men from other races why in effect should that matter? what does matter is that black men desire their women, *sigh* or are some black men now willing to join the camp that finds their counterpart "less attractive" than other women because black women are apparently not in vogue. . .would you evaluate us differently if the research carried different results?

smallest brain and lowest iq is quite possible!
considering the number of impoverished people in africa with malnourished brain development. it's quite possible.

Coogar, you do not have to deliberately oppose the point I was trying to make by effectively supporting racist notions about your own people (smh).

If malnourished and impoverished people were the main reasons why Blacks (not only Africans) apparently have the lowest level of intelligence then how comes India (that carries more poor people than the continent of Africa) is not thus ranked aside or even lower than blacks?
Intelligence is not determined by race, if you had argued that environment was a factor I could have taken your comment much more seriously.

if his findings favoured you as a black woman, i doubt you would be this bothered.
emofine, confess!

Oh I will confess. . . if he's "spastic research" favoured me as a black woman I would not have been bothered just in the same way I wasn't bothered when the details of his findings was first presented . . .in fact I would have still picked holes at it. Just because some research out there is likely to favour me doesn't mean I automatically embrace them without inspection and vice versa.
Likewise I also wonder if you would have taken such reaserch seriously if black men were at the bottom of the totem pole hmmm, Coogar confess oh.

if anyone tells you beauty is ultimately subjective then such person is not beautiful!
there's no thin line between beauty and ugliness.

Coogar, it is people that carry out such "beauty" research that are likely to be unattractive or shall I say "less attractive" - have you seen Kanazawa?

Oh and it's people that adhere to such analysis that might not even consider themselves attractive until some skewed scientist concludes from "spastic research" that they are indeed attractive then such people thus carry those results as the gospel and suddenly believe they're gorgeous because some scientist's research said so.

we can have a bit of ambiguity deciding who is more beautiful when judging 2 pretty women - but nobody in this world would choose whoopi goldberg ahead of genevieve nnaji - not even a blind man!

*clears throat* Well it's rather appropriate that you mention Whoopi Goldberg because she serves to counter some of the OP's suggestion - that he hardly sees black women and white men together (in the media or otherwise) well . . . .here's a fine example (presented by coogar) to rebut those remarks. . .

Whoopi may not be considered more attractive than Genevieve (well at least in yours and my opinion) but she's had her fair share of oyinbo meat

coogar:
this is where you guys got it wrong.
his research did not say black women are unattractive - his research found out black women are less attractive.

Well I stand corrected then, at least now I feel vindicated in the knowledge that some Asian man's research concluded that black women aren't unattractive but less attractive on the whole.
Least attractive of all races equals what exactly?. . .the ugliest (let's not use euphemisms to cushion his account) in the bunch so it doesn't dilute whatever message he was trying to relay.
But thank goodness his research ranked Black men the highest in terms of desirability and Asian men the lowest to eliminate all doubt of bias whatsoever and for some black men to tell black women that the list is impartial thus no need to object - the sad irony is that some of these men will likely produce daughters which this man's research considers "less attractive"

Coogar, so those who have also "researched" and claimed that Black people have the smallest brain and lowest IQ are not at all trying to say blacks are dumb but that blacks are the dumbest instead - how most certainly noble of them to render such a qualitative statement.

the fact that genevieve is less attractive than halle berry does not make genevieve unattractive or ugly.
it's just that more men would chase after halle than genevieve.
unattractive and less attractive are 2 different issues.

There is no fact when it comes to beauty, maybe most popular/likely choice is how people measure beauty because it is also a "fact" that some find Genevieve to be more beautiful than Halle.
facts and opinions are two different concepts.

but trust black people to read it upside down and flash the race card.

"race card"? the man was trying to measure beauty/desirability of each race correlating to genders so when one of the variables in this "spastic research" is "race" I thus wonder how that subject could be made redundant when one decides to dissect the motive behind such pseudo experiment.

. . .and lastly I don't need a research to inform me that Black men are indeed the most attractive males of all "races" when my personal thoughts are governed by such notion yet I understand my views doesn't necessarily correlate with that of my neighbours because beauty is ultimately subjective.

sauer:
@emofine
"je pense, donc je suis"!?
Qu'est-ce que tu lis en ce moment!?

la philosophie.

Tu est une experte de la philosophie de Descartes?

non, mais je suis un fan de Descartes

coogar:
a certain oriental professor did some spastic research few months ago but he lost his job when he concluded black women are less attractive than their counterparts!

claremont:
True that!
I have read that research, and it makes a whole lot of sense. It's funny that the people who had a knee-jerk reaction to the man's work never even bothered to read it before playing the racism card.

I don't understand why people will adhere to clearly biased research which claims black woman are unattractive? First of all beauty is subjective so cannot be measured by science and why would some allow themselves to be dictated to by an Asian man of all people whether them or their counterparts are indeed desirable or not?

Please let's just be wise because if we were to adhere to all these racial research apparently black people have less IQ or a smaller brain . . . why do many of these research usually reflect negatively on black people? People just want to justify their stereotypes. It's not everything in the name of science that must be swallowed without questioning.

[quote author=obo_man link=topic=786945.msg9391668#msg9391668 date=1319226616]I have been in UK for quite a few years and any time I see interracial kids of black ancestry, it's their dads that are usually black. When you look at Black football players and celebrities, their wives and girlfriends are usually white.
I have seen white men dating black women, but it's a rare occurrence. I have hardly seen a successful white man ( be it in Hollywood, sport or politics) that is engaged to a black woman. What could be the reasons?
I personally feel one reason could be because it is only a black man that can effectively handle a black woman or maybe white men find black women unattractive compared to their white women.[/quote]Wait a minute. . .is there a competition between black women and black men to see who dates out of their "race" more?
If black women do not date white men in high occurrence is that even a cause of concern or does the frequency in which a person dates outside their perimeter prove such a person to be desirable?

I don't know maybe demographics plays a part i.e. there could be a higher concentration of white women but ultimately it boils down to choice because you could have also studied the situation from the other side and asked "or maybe black women find white men unattractive compared to black men"

comparing dating patterns of men and women is slightly ambiguous because they both date for different reasons even within the same group.

. . . anyway it's mainly to do with choice methinks.

I'm just puzzled and I want comments and contribution. I have no qualms seeing black women date other races, in fact I'm happy seeing it. I only get jealous when she is super hot ( imagine the sight of Beyonce dating a white man), That is when I get jealous and angry, but still, it's cool by me.

lol but why would you get jealous when she has no attachment to you?

I really don't understand why some persons of the same "race" will jealous another stranger for dating their counterpart whom is likely to be anonymous to them.

Candyness:
Emofine sound like the same B!tch called Natasha. If y'all so hot, put up your pictures. y,all B!tches are invited to kiss my a***  twice and am sure you would like it

Ol boy I suggest you hold your tongue and hang your balls. . . .who do you think you're fooling with your masculine energy? you wey wan fight woman. . .you no sabi shame?

How about I post my picture once you MAN up and display your true identity, punk!

I laugh @ those who have hit on [b]Man[/b]dyness . . . your sexuality has been compromised now

I bet France has congratulated him already at the same time hailing Libya's "new found Democracy" . . .ha! what a juxtapose

pendo89:
_{Anyway I also think osama is still alive somewhere in pagopago}

He's probably reserved a seat for Ghadaffi at the "axis of evil" bar in the burrows of Washington DC waiting to smoke mint flavoured shisha with the most recent member to join the infamous club.

ekt bear's comments caused me to research slightly if there is truly a relationship between polygamy and population growth rates and I found some interesting info and here are some extracts:

Some examinations considering the relationship between Polygamy and Population:-

Contention 1: Polygamy allows for more rapid reproduction.
A female can only produce offspring once per nine months; but a male can fertilize multiple women within the same day. If a man has multiple wives, this rapid reproduction can be efficiently utilized to increase the vitality of the species as a whole.

http://www.debate.org/debates/Polygamy-is-morally-permissible./1/

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Polygyny have been suspected to play a key role on fertility very early by demographers . . . .

. . . .a womans fertility can be different within a polygamic household because of competition or substitution between spouses. Second, polygamy
can affect also fertility by modifying the social norms on the size of families. It can therefore, by an external effect, increase directly the fertility of non-polygamous households as
well.

Indeed, women in a polygamous family may compete in the number of children they have because
it may raise their social status or in order to increase their share on inheritance. Also, if
polygamy increase the marriage length for women, it may increase their fertility as their
exposition to the pregnancy risk is increased. However, as men with many wives are less
present for each wife, it may decrease pregnancy risk exposition. So the result maybe
ambiguous in that respect. At the society level, polygamy could have substantial indirect
effects. First, it may increase the nuptial rate (the number of marriages) in the society
as it becomes easier for women to get married in a polygamous society. Second, it may
increase the social norms in terms of number of children both for women and men, causing
that in area where polygamy is frequent, the monogamous family will tend to have more
children. The combination of these to elements could ofset the eventual lower fertility
rate of women in polygamous family

http://congres.afse.fr/docs/2011/410307demographictransitionpolygamy.pdf

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In 2000, Russia's eccentric ultranationalist politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed polygamy as a novel solution to the country's demographic crisis. The leader of the Liberal Democratic Party proposed the country's family code be amended to allow men to take up to five wives. More wives, Zhirinovsky reasoned, would mean more babies, and thus boost Russia's shrinking population. After a brief debate in parliament, his scheme was dismissed.

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1057238.html
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Lol, I just found that incident mildly amusing.

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. . . .but of course there are various factors to consider still i.e. infant mortality rates which encourages more birth or the age of a spouse.

Interesting article and some of the suggestions exchanged here are some of the top factors that affect population growth . . .

Causes of Increase in Population:

The main factors which have led to the great increase in population are as follows:

(1) Drop in death rate. Due to advances in medical science, the death rate has sharply come down from 28 per thousand population in 1951 to 7.1 per thousand population in 2006-07.


(2) Low standard of living. It is an established fact that people with low income have more children. The poor persons are not afraid of a further fall in their standard of living as a result of large number of children.


(3) Early marriages. In Pakistan, the marriage take place usually between 15 to 22 years of age. The span for reproductively is longer.


(4) Tropical climate. The warm climate where puberty is attained at an early age.


(5) Belief that God is Raziq. Muslim have a firm belief that God gives food to everyone even to an ant living in a stone. So why reduce the size of family?


(6) Source of power. Large family is regarded a power to influence people and subdue persons around them.


(7) illiteracy. Due to lack of education people are not aware of the economic distress caused by high birth rate.


(8 ) Joint family system. The joint family system though on the decline is also a cause for rapid bringing forth of children.


(9) Existence of polygamy. The existence of polygamy also contribute to the increase in population.


(10) Resistance to population control drive. The population control drive has not been pursed by the Government of Pakistan in right manner due to resistance on ethical grounds.


(11) The influx of refugees. The influx of refugees from India, Afghanistan, is continuing unabated in Pakistan. Pakistan is now a refugee paradise.


(12) Universality of marriage. All men and woman of marriageable age enter into wedlock. as such the birth rate is higher in Pakistan.

http://saif113sb.hubpages.com/hub/Causes-of-Increase-in-PopulatioN

Guardian:
Solution is simple.

Introduce Tax Per extra Child.

I propose the following amendment to the constitution.

A citizen of Nigeria shall have the right to bear and have two children only.

A male or Female citizen who has two children but desires an extra child/children may apply for the permission to have an extra child/children. Where proper application has been made and granted he/she can proceed to procreate and bear more than two children allowed by law.

With the exclusion of two children granted by Law any additional child will require either/both parent to pay 20% annual Tax fee on the income of both parent.

Interesting policy but what if a couple that has the maximum number of children granted (which is two) yet one child dies in infancy or early in life, are they thus permitted to have another child - and not be taxed as their tally will still be within the required bracket?

. . .and what if someone was pregnant with triplets, would the couple be taxed for one of the children born?

Fhemmmy:
So you mean it is better to have one man one wife, but the one wife could have as many child as they want?

I assumed there was a relationship between polygamy and population growth and that perhaps in a polygamous household more children were likely to be born than in a monogamous one. Having done a minimum research I believe there are quite some holes in that theory and other factors to still consider.

Intriguing and informative. Nice one Johnie.

I always wonder why some of these people feel they are invincible until they come to an untimely end. . . .the all-consuming nature of power.

Nayah, I agree that internal African issues should primarily be dealt with and governed by a sole African body and not an external one who never judge (if at all) their own colleagues in the same likeness they do for Africans.
Still just as ICC appears to be biased towards the West an African version may not fair any better

That is all I will say on the matter.

First of all unity should not be encouraged if the foundations are not clear. Nayah where would us Nigerians have fit into Ghadaffi's "united states of Africa" when he proposed for us to split?

Yes Khadaffi the "King of Kings of Africa" campaigned for a United Africa but how many of us understand why? . . .

Just because the West had a hand in his death doesn't suddenly make him an African hero or is it because he funded some African countries, well let's not forget this "Pan African hero" also sponsored some civil wars within Africa - is he thus a suitable candidate for "Africa Unite"?

If people want unity the interest of every member should be clear because the same man who cried African unity suggested that the biggest African nation should split . . .how does that work or fit into his objectives of a United Sates of Africa? Destabilizing Nigeria is detrimental to Africa.

And as a Nigerian I shall not stand alongside people who carry some malcontent for my nation or want to potentially threaten it whether they are fellow Africans or not.

Yakubu! He will forever be synonymous with missed-open-wide-clear-to-see-almost-impossible-to-miss opportunities

yoji:
guys sorry to burst your bubble bur gaddafi had it coming. firstly he toppled a government so stop givin d impression dat his pple put him there. now he ruled for 42yrs, probably hopin to die there and then allowing saif his son to take over and rule till death too!! haba
for most of u dat admire his anti western stance, sorry to say but 2  overstayd his welcome. if he was wise, he wud have eased himself out of d scene and installed a sham democracy. dat way he wud hav preservd his legacy and remained relevant.
and about this propadanda of d west coming for thia oil, is it free of charge or dont they pay for iit anymore?
its so convinient to blame d west for all our problems

I agreed with everything you wrote save your last couple of lines.

Do you think they are paying for Iraq's oil that they are milking?

I am not one of those who harbours a grudge or irrational hate against the West. When the West's usual patterns is outlined by someone - it is not necessarily born out of hate. I am being cynical to tell you the truth. The West are not a sincere or neutral spectator in all of this and their hypocrisy stinks. When the same group of people gallivant around reiterating "democracy" "transparency" "freedom" and other political vocabulary of course they will pass under rigorous inspection.
They were pallying with this " deluded dictator" not so long ago and when they fell out with Ghadaffi he automatically became a hindrance to democracy. Did they forget whilst they were shaking this "Mad man's" hands in those boardroom meetings and greasing their elbows that he was the "the World's longest serving dictator"
I know Ghadaffi was no angel but why the sudden change in goal posts. . . oh let me guess na oil. Look at how Ghadaffi shut them out or manipulated them with what they were salivating over. I do not blame the West for our problems but like professional predators they certainly take advantage of them.
They scurrying to congratulate Libya on their "new found democracy" could simply be translated as "sweet crude here we come". . . they don't pull the wool over my eyes I'm afraid.

I am no Ghadaffi apologist but no one should be riding on their high horse here. This man's reign would have been longer if he had complied with the West. . . .*hint* *hint* Omar bongo *cough*

I wonder if they were asked to smile

namfav:
my suggestion is you have to curb teenage pregnancies if you want to stop that, once a person starts having children young they dont stop soon, teen pregnancies is prevalent in nigeria, i am sure that all our parents started having kids before 23

our population growth has nothing to do with polygamy, if you look the north and the south both regions have families that are big in most households

Fair points and duly noted.

I do not really have high hopes for Libya because I question if "new found democracy" is birthed by the barrel of a gun and I feel they will become slightly dependent on the West as they received some backing/support by them. Their next leader will be someone that the West is likely to favour.

I think ultimately the West is the winner in this circumstance not the Libyan people.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=785821.msg9386746#msg9386746 date=1319177551]it will disrupt the fabric of society in ways u won't imagine.
I'm sure polygamy (with complacency of many women) exists for a reason.

why should the UN be dictating our laws for us anyway.[/quote]I think that's what namfav was trying to tell me I guess.

namfav:
the whole thing is that it is not easy for a family to only have 1 child, in our age today even for a person who is born alone you can see that he is insecure, if you have 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 brothers and sisters you are more grounded, i can tell you that children who are born alone are hit the hardest when a parent dies, and parents with one child are hurt the most when the only child dies, it is psychology of the society, bigger families=more happyness, in nigeria most poeple dont want one child, they want atleast 2, let me ask you, would you be happy with only one child?

You have just highlighted some of the various reasons why I stated time and time again in this very thread that I am against X child policy.
I agree with everything you said (maybe not the insecure bit) - that is why I was considering other alternatives that could be adopted to tackle the so called "population problem" (not my words) Nigeria apparently has without having to include X child policy as one of our solution. I do not agree with a parent borning one child when they are forced to. To answer your question I would not be happy to have one child especially if my right in the matter was taken away.


[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=785821.msg9386261#msg9386261 date=1319161907]Lmao

If no artificial insemination, then I'd be screwed. For the rest of my life, lol.

But I wouldn't run away, I'd face the task and give it my best shot [/quote]Brave man