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Janosky:
Oga, you are lying .
Screenshot evidence /dictionary.
"Definition of origin
1
as in source
a point or place at which something is invented..

Synonyms of origin - Source, ancestry, cradle, beginning etc."

See how you just exposed your lying mouth once and for all.

Now, ORIGIN also means SOURCE (remember you first denied this) whick is my point.

Rev 3:14 proves that Jesus is the SOURCE of ALL CREATION not the first to be created.

More screenshot is needed let's go.

Janosky:
Oga stop deceiving yourself.
Arkhe beginning is NOT archon Ruler.

I'll only stop deceiving myself if you have the mind to provide the screenshot from Biblehub.

You can't run away from your hypocrisy.

You don't have any evidence of reading the mind of John.
The Revelation 3:14, Jesus ,says he is the beginning of the creation by God".

Just provide the screenshot from Biblehub the meaning of Arché.

Jesus is the Creation by God.
That is the Bible truth.

Jesus is the Creator.

You agreed Jesus was before Universe.

Only Creator is before Universe.

Did Origin (Greek 746 & originator Greek 747mean have the same meaning?
Definitely not at all.


Biblehub screenshot referenced 4 different Trinitarian translations to prove that Arkhe is beginning @ Rev 3:14.
Originator is not in any Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.

If "Origin" is your name & your name on WAEC result is wrongly spelt as originator, you would reject it.
Oga, stop lying & deceiving yourself.

Can you imagine this

Every word had its root.

ORIGINATOR is from the word ORIGIN.

Proof me wrong first.

See what you AI says about the root of ORIGINATOR.

You must be hard with Bible truth.

AntiChristian:
Which of the Three Gods have footprints?

Where did the OP talk about Three Gods?

Image123:
11 years ago is not present continuous tense. We remember when there were consistent and targeted attacks on churches. We remember when churches couldn't hold but had to cancel crusades and programmes. We remember when pastors had to issue statements on newspapers, pulpits and even do peaceful demonstration. When ushers were searching people for bomb before entering church These are all PAST, not present continuous tense. Try figure.

Good! Finally you have come out of your hidden.

To you this happened in the past not that there's no GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN in Nigeria.

Now, the challenge for you is this.

Go to any Christians dominated area in the core north or Plateau State or Southern Kaduna and do at least 3 videos from 3 different churches, let see if what you listed have stopped or not?

Or like I do tell you, go to any of the aforementioned places and shout at their central market that there's no GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN and post the live video here.

If you truly care about Jesus Christ and your recent defense of your THIEF leader doesn't have political tone.

Jozzy4:
The point is the oneness is "Exactly as" based on scripture

Whatever you infer applies.

You haven't answered my question.

Where are the disciples SHARED GLORY with God before the World began?

Very simple question.

Jozzy4:
The Father was never a Son. That's the distinction

Show me a single scripture he was called "Son"?

And a Father doesn't ALWAYS has a beginning

Janosky:

John 17:22-24
I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—
23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

@ John 17:22,24,Jesus told Emusan:
"I want the disciples to SHARE my glory (the Glory jesus shared with God @ John 17:5)
& see my glory that God gave me before the creation of the world".

Just one question is throwing you people off balance like this.

Where did the disciples SHARED GLORY WITH GOD before the World began

This is the simple question.

Janosky:
Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
Greek 747 Originator is NOT in Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.
Archon meaning "Ruler" is NOT in the Greek manuscript of Revelation 3:14.
Jesus said "beginning" @ Revelation 3:14, @Mark 10:6, Mark 13:19 to give the same meaning,saying Jesus is a creation by God.
I believe Jesus NOT your lies.

You're the one deceiving yourself.

Arché means ORIGIN.

First tell me I'm lying first.

If Arché which some translations translated as BEGINNING also means ORIGIN/RULER then it means the writer of Rev 3:14 doesn't have in mind that Jesus was THE FIRST CREATED BEING the phrase you can never find anywhere in the Holy scripture.

Definitely, it's the liar like you that ascribes that false interpretation to that verse.

Everyone knows what ORIGIN means and that the word ORIGINATOR found its root from the word ORIGIN.

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.
Origin is synonym of ancestry.
Jesus Christ has ancestry in the spirit realm.
Screenshot evidences proven

But origin isn't synonym of SOURCES

Can you hear that.

Who is deceiving you?

Why your screenshot didn't come from Biblehub?

because you know your lying mouth will be exposed.

Janosky:
Oga, you can't REMOVE anything from your own Bible @ Hebrew 1:2.
You reject Hebrew 1:2...

I'm not Watchtower.

You still haven't answered my question.

What is the role of the Son during Creation.

You agreed the Son was there before Universe was created.

Jozzy4:
It takes having a beginning to wear the " Son " badge. Someone in the Universe was never a Son.... That's the one without a beginning

But the someone was a FATHER.

You're not making sense. Try again!

Jozzy4:
Exactly "As"

Are you now ashamed of what you infer ?

Can you hear talk.

Ashamed ke..

Just show me where the disciples SHARE GLORY WITH GOD before the World began.

gohf:
even Noah was before Abraham but you don't see anyone calling Noah God do you?

Can you imagine this

Jozzy4:
A " Son " always has a Beginning.

And a Father doesn't ALWAYS has a beginning

Jozzy4:
Whatever you infer is exactly what applied to Jesus disciples.

John 17:22 Humans Equal with the Father ?

So the disciples SHARED GLORY with the Father before the World began

Image123:
i don't see things through such narrow prism.

So on what basis do you call for reversal of that pardoned?

Image123:
Lol, i should provide your statement. Are you related to that fellow on Arisetv?

Yes! because my point has been that there's a Christian genocide in Nigeria.

In short you're still scared to answer that simple question

Image123:
What action is evil, forgiveness?

The one you want Baba Tinubu to reverse.

Abi if it's not evil why do you want it reversed?

Image123:
Read your previous statements. It shows that you don't even know what YOU are saying. i can't answer you when you are geniunely interested in lying against me and misunderstanding me. i don't roll that way dear.

Answer my question.

My point has been: "There's a Christian genocide in Nigeria"

Provide my statement you're referring to.

Image123:
i suggest that Mr President reverse all the pardons except the ones for the dead. We evidently don't know what a pardon implies. Was he supposed to pardon imams, priests and babies?
BTW, A drug lord, drug baron, kingpin, or lord of drugs is a type of crime boss in charge of a drug trafficking network, organization, or enterprise. We just bandy words and numbers about here.

As if you don't know the person you're dancing and hailing.

Now, if Mr President didn't reverse these pardoned. What will you do?

Since you already know that action is evil in itself.

Image123:
You somehow said "no killing of Christians is going on in Nigeria," i don't know how you arrived at this.

You haven't answered my simple question till now, why?

Besides, who made that statement above?

Image123:
i can't answer you when you are geniunely interested in lying against me and misunderstanding me. i don't roll that way dear. i'm a busy fellow.

You agreed that there's persecution of Christians in Nigeria.

How is this persecution happened?

Very simple question.

Janosky:
Yes ,this authentic rendition missing in KJV .
1 John 5:7 correct rendition;
"7 For there are three that testify,
8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement"

KJV has the authentic rendition.

Janosky:
The statement Jesus spoke about himself wey Merriam - Webster dictionary agree that Origin is evidence of a created being , in this case Jesus @ Rev 3:14.

You shifted from originator to origin,your lying was exposed, now you dey hide under source.

For instance ,the source of river Ethiope is a shallow stream the river begins it's flow.

Oga,is that shallow stream excluded from river Ethiope?
Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God,proven in your bible.
Oga,Come & continue deceiving yourself.

It's Mariam you ran to now

The fact still remains that Rev 3:14 didn't say Jesus is a CREATED BEING but ORIGINATOR OF ALL CREATIONS.

At least you wanted to deny ORIGIN from that verse before your lying mouth was exposed.

Janosky:
Hebrew 1:2 "God created the Universe" NOT his son.
Oga,you are deceiving yourself.

So what was the role of the Son during Creation?

Image123:
Evidently, there's nothing else left for me to say to you on the matter. You are set to see what you intend.

Just answer the question.

How is that so hard for you?

Image123:
Two different situations. In Plateau state, there are reprisal attacks. Both professing religions fighting each other.
i have NOT said that christians are not attacked or killed. You seem not to understand the ongoing politics and how they are aiming to make Nigeria a designated country of particular concern. Do you know that there will be sanctions on Nigeria military? Do you really think these guys suddenly care about Nigerian christians or destabilizing the country? Why do many refuse to discern the obvious? Instead i am getting christians trying to have me say what i already said about christian persecution/killing. Christian killings is not up to 10% of what is happening in Nigeria. The insecurity in Nigeria affects everyone, regardless of religion. Running to over 10years ago to set an agenda for today is misleading.

Since no killing of Christians is going on in Nigeria, how are Christians being persecuted according in Nigeria to you?

Image123:
i am guessing that you are currently on another planet, and have not seen the ongoing propaganda online, especially from the West and obi followers like you that Nigeria is the capital of Christian martyrdom, or that it is the most dangerous place to be a christian and so forth.

Yes, the planet you created and put human on.

Leave West propaganda alone and answer the question you have been asked.

If Christians are being persecuted, what is the persecution all about?

There is persecution of christians all over the world, and Nigeria is not spared, so is every single country, except the Bible is not true.
This is different from the paid narrative currently being dished out in an attempt to distabilize the country.

I know this will come because you have been paid to defend the government you once called THIEF.

Is the Country not distabilized already?

Like I said, leave your comfortable room in the south and travel to Southern Kaduna or Bokkos in Plateau State and shout there's no Christian genocide and see what will happen to you.

Insecurity is lack of safety or protection. Being mugged or robbed, burgled or pick pocketted are all forms of insecurity. Nigeria faces a high level as many crimes go on unresolved. We also suffer from high level crimes and insecurity that include terrorism, banditry, kidnapping, herdsmen and farmer clashes. It is wrong and wicked to brand all of these as christian persecution.
Like i stated earlier, christian persecution takes place all over the world and Nigeria is not an exception. There are also cases of people being killed for their faith, which has existed since Bible days. i know of religious crises also in hot spots like Jos, Plateau, and a few other places. But calling every soft target christian genocide is disingenuous, ignoble and at best ignorant. The majority of the criminals don't know religion in the sense when they carry out their crime. They simply look for soft targets, where people are gathered or usually gather, without much security. This is the reality of the majority. Yes, there is slaughter in Nigeria, but it is not christian slaughter.

All this is just lack of conscience and the Spirit of Truth in you.

Everyone including the person you're defending now once agreed that Christians are being killed and all available data supported this.

So, dancing around and being confused because of the crumbs they are using to buy your conscience won't erase that.

There's Christians genocide in Nigeria.

Image123:
Nigeria's security issue being parroted as Christian persecution are mostly banditry, terrorism, kidnapping, herdsmen and farmers clashes. Not killing for righteousness.

Parroted by who?

Didn't you also agreed that there is persecution of Christians in Nigeria?

So, according to you, what are Christians in Nigeria being persecuted for?

Just see the way you're dancing around.

Image123:
i quoted Bible, this one is still asking me for proof and playing politics. Keep it up, na you worry na.

You agreed with the Bible that believers will be persecuted and also agreed that there is persecution of Christians in Nigeria.

Now, in where this persecution is happening in Nigeria and who are the one persecuting Christians?

Does this not negate your previous statement that Christians are not being TARGETED?

You can't be persecuted without being targeted.

Image123:
No one has said that there is no christian persecution. Anyone that lives godly will suffer persecution, it is all over the world, including Nigeria.

Since you agreed there's Christians persecution in Nigeria.

Give me just one example how this persecution happened and the place.

What i have clearly said is that Nigeria's security situation is not just glossed over by saying it is christian persecution.

Give me the percentage of Muslims & Christians who have lost their lives in the hand of terrorists. Let's see if your claim is true.

There is banditry, there is terrorism, there is kidnapping, there are herdsmen and farmers problem, and there's the age-long persecution in Plateau state and other places. Get your reasoning right.

Persecution of who by who?

Image123:
When we are fed a narrative that 50,000 Christians have been killed since 2009.

So, if 50,000 is a narrative, what is the actual number of Christians killed since 2009?

Perhaps we should say samde about the US where over 100 fatalities are recorded daily just for gun violence.

It's just so ridiculous and dishonesty comparing gun's violent in US to religious killing in Nigeria.

Provide just one video where the gun wedger shout in the name of any God(s) before carrying out the atrocity?

But you can find hundreds of videos where killer shouted Allah's name before killing or attributing their killing to Allah's victory.

Should we attribute them also as christians? No, it makes no sense.

The reason why you can't attribute them to Christians is very simple. US is majorly CHRISTIANS and I've never even heard where a gun wedger enter Church killed hundreds of people at once.

But in Nigeria, Muslim population is around 50-54% let's just say 50% which means it's half population of the whole country and out of the 50% 80-85 are found in the North.

Now, if there should be killing in the North shouldn't be the majority affected the most?

Which means if 10 people died as a result of terrorism, 7-8 should be Muslims but why majority of the victims always be the minority CHRISTIANS which always happened in large numbers?

They are not CHRISTIAN persecutions.

Which means Tinubu lied when he advocates for the ending of Christians worshipers.

You can deny it because of political stand but the truth will always stands out.

The security challenge in Nigeria is not religious persecution. Stop lying in the name of God please.

The record are there and you don't even live in the most affected area, but just defending because of political affiliation.

Jesus is the right judge and He will surely judge all.

How many Muslims killed in the majority Muslim dominated area compare to number of minority Christians killed in the same area?

Janosky:
Go to the link & receive sense.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%205%3A7-8&version=NET

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

Firstly, your link didn't work as it directed me to just Bible Books & chapters.

Lastly, I've already dealt with the propaganda and misinformation about 1 John 5:7 since 2020. The thread is still very much there.

1 John 5:7 is part of God's word and there's nothing people like you can do to remove it.