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Janosky:
Hebrew 1:2 "God created the Universe" NOT his son.
Oga,you are deceiving yourself.

So what was the role of the Son during Creation?

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Evidently, there's nothing else left for me to say to you on the matter. You are set to see what you intend.

Just answer the question.

How is that so hard for you?

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Two different situations. In Plateau state, there are reprisal attacks. Both professing religions fighting each other.
i have NOT said that christians are not attacked or killed. You seem not to understand the ongoing politics and how they are aiming to make Nigeria a designated country of particular concern. Do you know that there will be sanctions on Nigeria military? Do you really think these guys suddenly care about Nigerian christians or destabilizing the country? Why do many refuse to discern the obvious? Instead i am getting christians trying to have me say what i already said about christian persecution/killing. Christian killings is not up to 10% of what is happening in Nigeria. The insecurity in Nigeria affects everyone, regardless of religion. Running to over 10years ago to set an agenda for today is misleading.

Since no killing of Christians is going on in Nigeria, how are Christians being persecuted according in Nigeria to you?

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i am guessing that you are currently on another planet, and have not seen the ongoing propaganda online, especially from the West and obi followers like you that Nigeria is the capital of Christian martyrdom, or that it is the most dangerous place to be a christian and so forth.

Yes, the planet you created and put human on.

Leave West propaganda alone and answer the question you have been asked.

If Christians are being persecuted, what is the persecution all about?

There is persecution of christians all over the world, and Nigeria is not spared, so is every single country, except the Bible is not true.
This is different from the paid narrative currently being dished out in an attempt to distabilize the country.

I know this will come because you have been paid to defend the government you once called THIEF.

Is the Country not distabilized already?

Like I said, leave your comfortable room in the south and travel to Southern Kaduna or Bokkos in Plateau State and shout there's no Christian genocide and see what will happen to you.

Insecurity is lack of safety or protection. Being mugged or robbed, burgled or pick pocketted are all forms of insecurity. Nigeria faces a high level as many crimes go on unresolved. We also suffer from high level crimes and insecurity that include terrorism, banditry, kidnapping, herdsmen and farmer clashes. It is wrong and wicked to brand all of these as christian persecution.
Like i stated earlier, christian persecution takes place all over the world and Nigeria is not an exception. There are also cases of people being killed for their faith, which has existed since Bible days. i know of religious crises also in hot spots like Jos, Plateau, and a few other places. But calling every soft target christian genocide is disingenuous, ignoble and at best ignorant. The majority of the criminals don't know religion in the sense when they carry out their crime. They simply look for soft targets, where people are gathered or usually gather, without much security. This is the reality of the majority. Yes, there is slaughter in Nigeria, but it is not christian slaughter.

All this is just lack of conscience and the Spirit of Truth in you.

Everyone including the person you're defending now once agreed that Christians are being killed and all available data supported this.

So, dancing around and being confused because of the crumbs they are using to buy your conscience won't erase that.

There's Christians genocide in Nigeria.

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Nigeria's security issue being parroted as Christian persecution are mostly banditry, terrorism, kidnapping, herdsmen and farmers clashes. Not killing for righteousness.

Parroted by who?

Didn't you also agreed that there is persecution of Christians in Nigeria?

So, according to you, what are Christians in Nigeria being persecuted for?

Just see the way you're dancing around.

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i quoted Bible, this one is still asking me for proof and playing politics. Keep it up, na you worry na.

You agreed with the Bible that believers will be persecuted and also agreed that there is persecution of Christians in Nigeria.

Now, in where this persecution is happening in Nigeria and who are the one persecuting Christians?

Does this not negate your previous statement that Christians are not being TARGETED?

You can't be persecuted without being targeted.

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No one has said that there is no christian persecution. Anyone that lives godly will suffer persecution, it is all over the world, including Nigeria.

Since you agreed there's Christians persecution in Nigeria.

Give me just one example how this persecution happened and the place.

What i have clearly said is that Nigeria's security situation is not just glossed over by saying it is christian persecution.

Give me the percentage of Muslims & Christians who have lost their lives in the hand of terrorists. Let's see if your claim is true.

There is banditry, there is terrorism, there is kidnapping, there are herdsmen and farmers problem, and there's the age-long persecution in Plateau state and other places. Get your reasoning right.

Persecution of who by who?

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When we are fed a narrative that 50,000 Christians have been killed since 2009.

So, if 50,000 is a narrative, what is the actual number of Christians killed since 2009?

Perhaps we should say samde about the US where over 100 fatalities are recorded daily just for gun violence.

It's just so ridiculous and dishonesty comparing gun's violent in US to religious killing in Nigeria.

Provide just one video where the gun wedger shout in the name of any God(s) before carrying out the atrocity?

But you can find hundreds of videos where killer shouted Allah's name before killing or attributing their killing to Allah's victory.

Should we attribute them also as christians? No, it makes no sense.

The reason why you can't attribute them to Christians is very simple. US is majorly CHRISTIANS and I've never even heard where a gun wedger enter Church killed hundreds of people at once.

But in Nigeria, Muslim population is around 50-54% let's just say 50% which means it's half population of the whole country and out of the 50% 80-85 are found in the North.

Now, if there should be killing in the North shouldn't be the majority affected the most?

Which means if 10 people died as a result of terrorism, 7-8 should be Muslims but why majority of the victims always be the minority CHRISTIANS which always happened in large numbers?

They are not CHRISTIAN persecutions.

Which means Tinubu lied when he advocates for the ending of Christians worshipers.

You can deny it because of political stand but the truth will always stands out.

The security challenge in Nigeria is not religious persecution. Stop lying in the name of God please.

The record are there and you don't even live in the most affected area, but just defending because of political affiliation.

Jesus is the right judge and He will surely judge all.

How many Muslims killed in the majority Muslim dominated area compare to number of minority Christians killed in the same area?

Janosky:
Go to the link & receive sense.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%205%3A7-8&version=NET

Oga, stop deceiving yourself.

Firstly, your link didn't work as it directed me to just Bible Books & chapters.

Lastly, I've already dealt with the propaganda and misinformation about 1 John 5:7 since 2020. The thread is still very much there.

1 John 5:7 is part of God's word and there's nothing people like you can do to remove it.

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And you should be able to discern politically motivated propaganda.

So it politically motivated propaganda but we see this being playing out in our own korokoro eyes.

I stay in the north and I have heard many teachings against Christians in an open place like market, parks e.t.c from Imams

Are you saying there's no GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN in Nigeria?

I've spent month in Bokkos in Plateau State and my sister married from there.

Can you go to Bokko Market and say openly that Christians are not being killed?

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The current one probably thinks otherwise. i am certain most of the popular and revered pastors think otherwise. There has been years of deadly insecurity, no doubt. But the claims that it is only targeted at Christians is either misguided or misleading.
Those criminals have razed cities, villages, farms, buses, markets, etc for years without asking if you know Jesus or not. It has had very very little to do with religion, but more to do with money, land grabbing, and political negligence.

You people are just so dishonest not that this is even coming from someone who claimed to be a follower of Christ.

because you people in APC want to change the narration, you decided to twist what people are challenging.

Where did you see people saying ONLY CHRISTIANS are being TARGETED?

What people have been saying is that, there's a GENOCIDE AGAINST CHRISTIAN in Nigeria.

Can you deny this?

Even Tinubu you're dancing for today, once acknowledged the fact that Christians are being killed.

I challenge you to provide anywhere Tinubu talked about another group being killed before.

MetalJigsaw:
Don't pretend you can't comprehend a simple English sentence

What's the difference in all these verses? testify/ bear witnesses all mean the same. You have no point.

Don't let him gaslight you about 1 John 5:7.

The truth of that has been stated many times just that they don't like the Truth.

Here is a LINK of a thread I created in 2020 about the said "Comma Johaneum"

See how all of them were just rambling, the thread even exposed their shallow understanding about Trinity and its history.

Janosky:
*1 Screenshot evidence
For instance,He is of Fresh Origin does NOT mean
He is of French ruler/principality/authority.
Correct meaning : He is of French origin parentage ( ,in his case, Jesus is a creature of God his Father).

Just look at this wack interpretation.

Not only fresh

At least you can't deny the word ORIGIN from that verse which means John wasn't talking about Jesus being the first created being but SOURCE/RULER/AUTHORITY (which ever meaning you decided to go with of ALL CREATION.

*2. Oga,the Universe is a part (subset ) of Creation.

Yes! That is why Jesus can't be a creature because Universe is the whole creation from beginning to end and since you also agreed that Jesus is created the Universe. That gave us a good point.

Oga,Stop deceiving yourself.
Revelation 3:12,14 in your Bible.

Are you saying Jehovah didn't use Jesus to CREATE THE UNIVERSE?

Can Jesus still be PART of what He was used to create?

Janosky:
1 Cor 2:10 For who among men knows the things of a man except the man’s spirit within him? So too, no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God" Stop deceiving yourself

@ 1 Corinthians 2:11,is the man's spirit a person ?

Yes!

Only A PERSON have the ability of KNOWING.

Emusan,where did you import the word "MIND" you ADDED to 1 Corinthians 2:11?

From Watchtower as Watchtower imported several words into their translation.

Janosky:
Is "MIND" in the Greek manuscript of 1 Cor 2:11?

Oga, stop deceiving yourself .

Changing mouth won't help you.

The fact that The HOLY SPIRIT "KNOWS" proves The Holy Spirit is a person.

MetalJigsaw:
Where did he say ancestor? . You're threading on dangerous waters, bro. Don't attract a permanent curse from God.

"Whatever the father does the son does likewise"- Jesus is clearly referring to his father in heaven.

He's simply saying he cannot work separately from the father, him and the father are in perfect unity so they work together.


@ steep , Emusan come and see this😮

Just imagine the nonsensical talk.

Ancestor for heaven

Janosky:
You teach and practice tithing as you teach and practice Trinity.

Uwha azagha

Still repeating the same ignorance

If it's Nigeria, APC supporters would've written 101 reasons why the stadium and World Cup will improve their economy when in reality, this will never add 1% to the economy and over 90% of the citizens won't benefit a dime from it.

But if that $2B is well utilized more than 30% of the citizens will benefit from it.

Hussein27:
I was a Christian evangelist, before accepting Islam in 2014, I can tell you don't really understand what you mean by certainty, how will you accept Jesus who pray and cry to God for salvation from death as said in Hebrew 5 vs 7, yet you still accept he's the same God he's calling himself?

This alone shows you don't understand anything about Jesus being God.

Jesus cried to the Father not to Himself.

The Father
Jesus
Holy Spirit

These Three are UNCREATED & ETERNAL that is why they are God NOTE not Gods.

He was said to say "Eli Eli lamatchtabatani" my God my God! Why have thou forsaken me

That was when He was on earth as human for salvation of the whole world.

Yet you believe he's still God?

Yes! Jesus is God.

He even said "He that sent me is greater than I"

Sure because He The Father is greater than Him when He became Human.

Yet you believe he is God

Yes! JESUS is God

He even said "I was SENT to the lost sheep of the house if Israel"

Of course, because Israel has been the God's chosen people and the promise made to their forefathers must be fulfilled.

Yet you believe he is God

Yes! Jesus is God Almighty.

He said in John 5 vs 30 "All these I do, not by my power, but by the power of he that sent me, I speak and I judge and my judgement is just, not because am seeking my will but the will of he who SENT me"

Absolutely because He didn't come to earth as God but as a dying lamb to take away the sin of the world.

Yet you claim he's God

Yes! Jesus is God and Creator of ALL CREATION.

He also said in John 17 vs 3 "And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent."

Yes! His mission on earth is for the whole world to know the ONLY TRUE GOD and gain eternal life through His redemption works.

This is a clear statement from Jesus, he made a clear distinction between the one true God and himself who was sent by that God, yet the Christians who see themselves as the all wise, still want us to believe that Jesus is God

If you read that statement of Jesus further without being bias in your reading

"I brought glory to you here on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.

Can you see Jesus saying He shared GLORY with the Father before the World began?

What do you understand by this?

In fact one told me that "Jesus is an humble God, he doesn't like to show himself"

Jesus own statement supports this throughout the scripture.

So Jesus is the God that Father Abraham worshiped?
Noah Worship Jesus?
Moses Worship Jesus?
Elijah, Elisha, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Samuel, Elikanah, Haggai, Zachariah, Zephaniah, John the Baptist, Malachi, Habakkuk, Jonah, Samson, Solomon, Enoch, Aaron, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Abel and all of them, so you are saying they all worshiped Jesus Christ? Since Jesus is God according to you, and they all worship God, so They worship Jesus Abi?

Yes! because Jesus created them ALL
In fact, Jesus Himself said, "...before Abraham was, I AM" given the same tone of which Yahweh was known by the old testament.

*If confusion is a person, he would be a Christian*

That you're confused doesn't mean people around you are in the same level of your confusion.

Do you believe Jesus own statement that He shared GLORY with the Father before the World began?

Do you believe Jesus own statement when He said: "Before Abraham was, I Am"?

I believe in Jesus Christ just as he declare himself, he was sent by God and anyone sent is automatically a messenger, and he also prophesized based on revelations from God, and anyone who prophesized based on revelations is called a prophet

So you're selective in whom Jesus declared Himself to be.

That's nice

Thus by default Jesus is a prophet and messenger of God! Sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel as he himself affirms

Jesus is everything that is why the blessed Apostle Paul said "So that He(Jesus) must be FIRST in everything"

Janosky:
Oga,you have nothing to expose.
Did Holy spirit does not know the mind of Jehovah about Matthew 24:36?

Emusan,yes or no?

You didn't answer my question because your lying mouth will be exposed but have the audacity to go ahead to throw question.

Here is 1 Corin 2:11 "...and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit."

Was this scripture wrong?

Did Holy Spirit not know the MIND OF JEHOVAH?

Janosky:
Oga,show us which book & chapter in your Bible revealed the identity of the serpent & the one who defeated the serpent of Genesis 3:15 written in your bible?

E dey your Bible,only diligent Bible students know it.

Since you know this, so what is your point that Jesus didn't teach & practice Trinity?

Can you see the reason for that your name now?

Janosky:
Oga no know the answer.
Simple question for you:
Oga, did Jesus Christ teach & practice Trinity?

Trinity isn't a PRACTICE.

Olodo....

Janosky:
John 18:37,Jesus did come to the earth to teach the truth & NEVER taught Trinity.

Trinity is not a TEACHING, stop exposing your ignorance.

Trinity is the truth from God's word that the Father, the Jesus & Holy Spirit are THE ONE TRUE GOD.

His God is One person not true persons, Matthew 4:10 ,Mark 12:29.

The Father is God
Jesus is God
Holy Spirit is God.

One God THREE persons.

Janosky:
Matt 24:36,Jesus said nobody in heaven knows , but ONLY the Father.
Holy spirit is not a being in heaven or anywhere.
@ Matt 24:36,did Jesus say holy spirit is a being in heaven ?
Not at all !!!

Holy Spirit knows the MIND of Jehovah, yes or no?

Why is this simple question so hard for you to answer because you know your lying mouth will be exposed

The number one thing is my personal encounter I had with God.

Other aspect is science.

Yahweh is a miracle worker.

Whoever that doesn't believe in miracle never knows the Great Yahweh.

Janosky:
Martin Luther , your fellow believer knew.
Baptist pastor Charles Spurgeon knew.
A host of other Trinitarians knew too.
Who is the seed of Genesis 3:15 that defeated the serpent of Genesis 3:15?
John the apostle revealed their identities @ Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:8.
Daniel the prophet @ Daniel 12:1 (very very clear if you have discernment ) was given the prophecy because @ Daniel 2:19-23 he praised Jehovah the God of Revelation
This knowledge is for diligent Bible students.

Show us where it is written that Jesus is Angel Michael.

If Martin Luther can know without going back and forth on Jesus identity.


How come Watchtower keeps confusing on the identity of who Angel Michael is?

Janosky:
Did Jesus in your Bible teach or practice Trinity?

Oga, have a great weekend .

Olodo... Trinity isn't a PRACTICE but revelation about the NATURE OF THE TRUE GOD.

God's word revealed the truth about Trinity.

The Bible revealed that The Father is UNCREATED and eternal.

The World who became flesh and known as Jesus is UNCREATED and eternal.

The HOLY SPIRIT is UNCREATED and eternal.

These Three Persons have one unique NAME!

Janosky:
Is Jesus Christ a Trinitarian?

This is a very ridiculous question.

It's like asking if Jesus is a Christian or if Jesus believes in Bible or if Jesus attended Kingdom Hall of Jehovah Witness.

Jesus Christ didn't teach anything about that man made dogma

because Trinity isn't what Jesus came to earth for.

God's word revealed the truth about Trinity.

gohf:
this is a typical example of how you respond to simple questions

"Did Moses record that in the beginning God first created the heavens and the earth or did you read that the first thing God created was the heavens and the earth?"

What is your point here?