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Jozzy4:
He has a name "WRITTEN " . The writer is excluded. The word " Written" indicated an action of writing.

The same way it says at Rev 2:17 that the person from that congregation who conquers has a name written which only him knows. Once again, excluding the writer.

I need to know : Who gave the Father the permission or right to know the day and hour so we can exclude him?

Secondly, no one knows the Father deeply than the son, Are you saying holy spirit knows the Father much more than the son who doesn't know ?

Liar again, He wrote the Name and ONLY HIM KNOWS IT.

Your second point is even nonsensical.

The scripture says HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD not me.

That is why you people have been shouting it is PERSONIFICATION because you know the implication of such.

The moment you erase that PERSONIFICATION from your head and allow the scripture to speak for itself then the veil will be removed from your eyes.

Barristter07:
Holy spirit can not know what Jesus doesn't know. - Matt 11:27

There's nothing Jesus did not know.

Holy spirit knows EVERYTHING.

"no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

If the son doesn't know the day and hour, it means holy spirit also do not know. Which means holy spirit is not God. The expression knows the Mind of God thus become a personification

I so much like the scripture you quoted.

Firstly, but today you claimed you know Jesus that He is even Angel Michael which means you've become The Father then

Secondly, the point Jesus was making is at the @underlined part.

The rest of your post:

Holy spirit knows the VERY MIND OF GOD.

Whenever you see them with @underlined, just know their manipulation had started.

If it's not PERSONIFICATION then you know your entire argument fell flat and your lying mouth exposed that is why you want it to be PERSONIFICATION.

Just remove that PERSONIFICATION NONSENSE FROM YOUR HEAD AND SEE THE TRUTH.

achorladey:
I had to even use their own NWT to reference that account. Then cite their very own commentary on the book of Isaiah just to ensure I am not missing and mixing anything.

They know they are lying against God and His word, reason you do see them perambulating and confused.

achorladey:
I had to laugh with the defense he gave the writer of that their publication. I was like, what is my business with quotation marks? What is Isaiah's concern with quotation marks when inspired to write that account.

That's to tell you it's a deliberate manipulation by the writer of that publication because the writer(s) aware of the implication but thank God they are not the ones in custodian of the Bible manuscripts only God knows the manipulations that would have been done on the scripture just to support their doctrines.

achorladey:
@ Emusan....

Matthew 24:36.....Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

Revelation 19:12 His eyes are a fiery flame, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written that no one knows but he himself,

Their revelation book explaining the revelation account.....


What is the written name that Jesus has?

7 John’s description continues: “He has a name written that no one knows but he himself.” (Revelation 19:12b) The Bible already speaks of God’s Son by names such as Jesus, Immanuel, and Michael. But this unstated “name” appears to stand for the position and privileges that Jesus enjoys during the Lord’s day. (Compare Revelation 2:17.) Isaiah, describing Jesus since 1914, says: “His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” (Isaiah 9:6) The apostle Paul associated Jesus’ name with His very high privileges of service when he wrote: “God exalted [Jesus] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend.”​—Philippians 2:9, 10.

8. Why is it that only Jesus can know the name written, and with whom does he share some of his lofty privileges?

8 Jesus’ privileges are unique. Apart from Jehovah himself, only Jesus can comprehend what it means to hold such a high position. (Compare Matthew 11:27.) Therefore, of all God’s creatures, only Jesus can fully appreciate this name. Nevertheless, Jesus does include his bride in some of these privileges. So he makes this promise: “The one that conquers . . . I will write upon him . . . that new name of mine.”​—Revelation 3:12.


Another perspective about their take on Matthew 24:36......

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1996567

Since ONLY Jesus knows according to him that means Jehovah isn't God.

More palava for those who are lack scriptural understanding

Jozzy4:
Vs

ONLY THE FATHER

Jesus = ONLY THE FATHER/ONE PERSON know the day and hour

Emusan = You lied, Father , son , holy spirit knows, Three person's know the day and hour. It's not only the Father you liar .

You just make the Lord a Liar, you this shameless trinitarian?

Yes! Holy Spirit knows God's mind.
That makes the Holy spirit to be a person and whoever knows your mind actually knows ALL THINGS.

Jesus as the Word of God and God Almighty is ONE with the Father.

Just as @achorladey piint ed out as quoted in that Rev Jesus has a NAME only Him knows, I know you won't hesitate to say of course the Father will know the name as well.

Neglecting the that fact the scripture was clear as ONLY ONE PERSON KNOWS.

achorladey:
You are the one saying......

Now....

I forgot it is not through Jesus that those he called brothers were created and you are the one differentiating true offspring from fake offspring.

You started from.....

When Isaiah said he has offspring you entered. Offspring in quote despite your religious publications defended why he is called eternal father using that same scripture and others.

Jesus calling humans brothers will indeed be a problem despite your belief that God used him to create humans.

You can see how he was shamelessly twisting mouth.

Scripture boldly says Jesus is an ETERNAL FATHER, he couldn't explain how ETERNAL FATHER won't have Children.

The same scripture still went further to say His OFFSPRINGS the lying liar claimed there was a quotation mark there.

Can you imagine?

Very pathetic people.

Jozzy4:
No, the writer is not a dummy, he placed " Offspring" in quotes because he knows you can't be a brother with your offspring.

You mean the Bible verse was with quote

Lying liar!

achorladey:
Their explanation why Jesus is eternal father...

Jehovah God as Creator is called Father. (Isa 64:8; compare Ac 17:28, 29.) He is also the Father of spirit-begotten Christians, the Aramaic term ʼAb·baʼʹ being used as an expression of respect and of close filial relationship. (Ro 8:15; see ABBA.) All who express faith with a hope of everlasting life can address God as Father. (Mt 6:9) Jesus Christ, the Messiah, because of being God’s Chief Agent of life, was prophetically called Eternal Father. (Isa 9:6) Also, anyone who has imitators and followers, or those who exhibit his qualities, is regarded as a father to them. (Mt 5:44, 45; Ro 4:11, 12) In this sense the Devil is spoken of as a father.​—Joh 8:44; compare Ge 3:15.

God sent his Son from heaven to be that new Adam to replace the first one. The Bible says: “‘The first man Adam became a living soul.’ The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. The first man is out of the earth and made of dust; the second man is out of heaven.” (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47) Jesus, “the last Adam,” is like “the first man Adam” in that He was a perfect man, capable of fathering perfect offspring, who could live forever in perfection on earth.​—Psalm 37:29; Revelation 21:3, 4.

Jesus, who fathered no children, remained faithful to God until his death, despite every attack of Satan. The perfect human life of integrity that Jesus sacrificed, or gave up, is called the ransom. “We have the release [from the sin and death inherited from Adam] by ransom through the blood of [Jesus],” the Bible explains. It also says: “Just as through the disobedience of [Adam] many were constituted sinners, likewise also through the obedience of [Jesus] many will be constituted righteous.”​—Ephesians 1:7; Romans 5:18, 19; Matthew 20:28.

If we exercise faith in Jesus, he will become both our “Everlasting Father” and our “Savior.” He will exercise his princely rule in a marvelous way as he serves as Ruler of his Father’s Kingdom. Let us next examine what it will be like to live under that rule and consider when we might expect to realize such grand blessings.​—Luke 2:8-11.

In such a way the heavenly Father of Jesus Christ will become the heavenly Grandfather of the restored human family. For this reason the human family will enter into a new relationship with the Creator of heaven and earth. Never was there the least possibility that Jehovah would fail in his original purpose. Thus Jehovah will have foiled the vicious, ungodly scheme of Satan the Devil. All the repurchased human family will be brought to the knowledge of this fact. What a wonderful day it will be when Jesus Christ takes over the fatherhood of the human family in order to rear mankind in Paradise restored to earth!

Jesus was also to be an “Eternal Father.” How would that be? Well, Adam was the first father of the human race. However, he lost the opportunity to be an “eternal father” when he sinned. He could no longer give his children everlasting life as an inheritance. Jesus, on the other hand, did not sin. And by sacrificing his sinless life for mankind, he opened the way to everlasting life for those who exercised faith. (John 3:16; 1 John 2:2) He thus will give them the everlasting life that Adam failed to give them. Hence, the Bible calls him “the last Adam,” “a life-giving spirit.” (1 Corinthians 15:45) He is properly called the “Eternal Father” of the future perfect human race.


cc: Emusan

Very common trait in them is how they deny their own publications but still claim to be having ONE LINE OF THOUGHT.

You can even see him saying ETERNAL Father not OUR FATHER yet failed to tell me how someone can be a Father without having children.

Jozzy4:
Because you don't read , Eternal Father not OUR Father

" Government on his shoulder "

He is an appointed representative in Government to act as a Father. Nobody be him own Son or daughter, there's nothing like Jesus Children, what we have is Jesus BROTHERS.

God the Father is called " OUR FATHER" " Father of ALL " . Everybody that proceed from him is called " Sons" both in heaven and earth.

All you need to do is provide where Son was applied to God the Father at any point in history. Doesn't exist, because that title is for created ones

@achorladey has already done justice to that

But I know you people are shameless

Jozzy4:
If 1 is true, Do you agree two persons know the day and hour?

If 1 is False , Do you agree only the Father knows ?

Yes! 1 is true and not only that ALL THE THREE PERSONS OF THE HOLY TRINITY KNOW.

Quote the scripture and not your permutation.

Holy spirit knows God's mind, true or false?

Ubenedictus:
it is not hard to address.
All the ancient churches teach that the perpetual virginity of Mary was taught to the church by the apostles and have been taught, handed on and believed since then.

If the Apostles actually taught it then there's no reason it shouldn't make it to their written.

it was not ignored. The bible was never meant to be an encyclopedia of every Christian belief and practice. The church already believed and practiced before the new testament was written.

THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT IT before The New Testament was written part of the scripture supported the reason why it should have made it to their writings.

The church was already taught by the apostles before they even began to write things down

So why such important message didn't make it to their writings?

The bible was majorly developed in the fourth century. That was when the church put together what we now call bible. And even by then Mary as perpetual virgin was already wide spread. They didn't need to go put it in the bible because the bible was never understood as an encyclopedia of every Christian belief and practice. It was protestants who came over a thousand years later who started to treat the bible like that. This is the reason why NO ancient church believe that the bible alone should be used for doctrine.

So, if Mary perpetual Virgin was wide spread if the reason it didn't make it to God's word.

Does it mean Mary perpetual Virgin is more WIDELY SPREAD THAN THE GOSPEL ITSELF?

The fact still remains that Mary perpetual Virgin isn't of important to the Salvation Jesus brought.

the point is that scripture was never meant to have everything God wanted to reveal. The revelation of God was passed down by both written scripture and oral tradition. 2 Thess 2:15 says the church must stand firm on BOTH sources of divine revelation. Just as the letters were put together so too, the oral teaching were committed to faithful men who in turn were to commit them to others from one generation to the next 2 Tim 2:2. So the fact that a teaching is not explicitly spelled out in the bible does not mean Gid didn't want you to be bothered with it. The simple question is to ask, was this part of the teaching the apostle committed to the church by word of mouth? Ask any ancient Christian church, the answer is yes.

God is not stupid to have INSPIRED the Apostles to pen down His Word, if Word of Mouth is reliable God won't have INSPIRED ANYONE.

what is the real point I did not address?

The real point is that Mary perpetual Virgin has nothing to do with The Salvation Jesus brought for mankind.

Also, that Jesus didn't pass through Mary womanhood still remains false. No scriptural backing for it.

the evidence for it is the testimony of all ancient Churches for thousands of years who all teach that it was handed to them by the apostles.

And that is more IMPORTANT THAT GOD'S OWN TESTIMONY THROUGH HIS OWN WORD.

Again are you not surprised that this teaching isn't only held by Catholics? It is held by all ancient churches and even the early protestant held it.

Well, many teachings were held by people past and now but some of these teachings have nothing to do with mankind salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
1914!

The year Watchtower lied against God and His word that Jesus return when Jesus said "NO ONE KNOWS THE DATE" this singular statement from Jesus Christ actually proved anyone talking about A SPECIFIC DATE as a false teacher.

The funny thing is, you agreed Jesus never talked about 1914

The same you also agree that just as Jesus never spoke about ANY SPECIFIC DATE Watchtower are the true followers of Jesus for not MENTIONING ANY SPECIFIC DATE

The same you still shouting 1914 which is a SPECIFIC DATE in which Jesus never mentioned nor ANY ONE KNOWS EXCEPT THE FATHER.

Very pathetic with a lying lair speaking from both side of his mouth.

Janosky:
No Sir.
The same Greek grammatical construct of John 1:1 , the last sentence of John 1:1 is also the last sentence at Acts 28:6.
Nobody can CHANGE this fact.
Your Meta A.I can not CHANGE this solid fact.

Emusan posted the screenshot of the same Meta A.I Llama 3.1 about Colossians 1:15.

Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of all creation "


Trinity in the mud. Wotowoto.

Emusan you are as empty as your Meta A.I Llama conflicting itself.

Your Meta A.I said Jesus your deity is the first to be BORN or CREATED."

Dunce Meta A.I confusing dunce Trinitarian

See how MetaAI is giving this one restlessness

You will run and run without a place to hide for you.

Jozzy4:
There is no single reference to Jesus sons or daughters. He has none. Everybody has just one Father, the uncreated one, that's never a Son

So, you agree that scripture lied for saying Jesus is an ETERNAL FATHER

No wonder he couldn't answer my question

Lying liar.

How can Jesus be ETERNAL FATHER without having children?

Jozzy4:
Since you are proving the person hood.@underlined, so once again: How many persons know the day and hour ? 😂

A. One person

B. Two persons.

Number 1 fact: Holy Spirit is PERSON....
Number 2 fact: Jesus said ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS THE HOUR
Number 3 fact: Holy spirit knows GOD'S MIND
Number 4 fact: You decided to use the word PERSON for your fraudulent motives.

achorladey:
Deflection tactics. He was told....



He came back with......



MaxInDHouse and the pastors

That's how a liar behaves.

Very unstable and shameless

MaxInDHouse:
You don't know that each pastors out there is saying exactly the same thing:

"All pastors are lying except me"

Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Oyakilome, Oritsejafor, Olukoya and others are saying the same thing as long as none is ready to serve in the same church that's the reason for all these contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

Try to be mature Sir your pastors contradicting themselves one another means all other beliefs apart from theirs are wrong!

So you are one of those lying pastor as well.

That's nice!

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote where i said a belief is WRONG!

Of course Jesus never mentioned any date but everything he mentioned in the Bible book of Matthew 24:7-14 has been unfolding since the year 1914

That's why i believe that it's true he was enthroned that year.

You did HERE

Lying liar Jws like his father the Devil.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus returned in the year 1914!

And it will continue to be most lie against God and His word.

Janosky:
John 1:1. Emphatic Diaglott ©1864.

1 In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word".

The same Greek grammatical construct of John 1:1 , the last sentence of John 1:1 is also the last sentence at Acts 28:6.


Also, @ Acts 12:22-23, referred to 2 beings as Greek Theos , but one of them is not Almighty God.
That sequence is the authentic manner to render John 1:1.
NWT is very accurate in John 1:1.

About 13 Bible translations (even though Trinitarian translations ) have similar rendition to NWT.

Oga, I'm giving you facts. Please go and verify.

Lying liar!

"a god" will continue to be a wrong rendering.

Here is another one you will be struggling with from Meta AI

Michael547:
Why does Exodus 20:7 uses singular for name instead of saying 'names'?
So if worshippers of idol refers to their God as 'God Almighty', are they calling the name of your God in vain?

Point of correction!

My name is: Ojo Olajide Sunday

Experts has said this one below is wrong

My names are: Ojo Olajide Sunday.

Which means if a person is referencing about himself/herself you don't use the PLURAL but SINGULAR.

This is basic English.

When God says do not take the NAME of your God in vain it means ANY NAME GOD CALLED Himself, it would've been a grammatical error if God actually used 'NAMES'.

achorladey:
That one cannot help it

It looks like something genetically engineered into his present realities

It shows he is his father's true photocopy. His father the Devil was a liar from the beginning.

Janosky:
Emusan posted A.I screenshot evidence :
"Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of all creation "


Trinity in the mud. Wotowoto.

Oga ,come over here, be WAILING

Still struggling with what AI explain, how then will he understand what human explain?

So empty up there

MaxInDHouse:
Of course i strongly believe any other forms of worship is WRONG but i won't face the one who believes it and start condemning his faith that's not what Christ Jesus taught me rather he made us fishers of men {Mark 1:17} no fisherman will tell the fish "i want to catch you" nah!
As for the research it was briefly mentioned in a Watchtower study article this year.
In fact i smiled when i saw it and said to myself "this people are wonderful, Jehovah is really using them" because i don't know how we got the same thought without me contracting them!

Double mouthed liar.

Yet you said you never CLAIMED ANY BELIEVE IS WRONG.

If not because you lack Basic understanding of English language, you won't be this contradicting yourself.

Shameless lying liar!

Janosky:
@ Colossians 1 :18 "he ( Jesus) became" ,
underline that word ,Greek lexicon 1096 BECAME.....

Jesus BECAME preeminent because he was granted that privilege, John 17:7.

No be him get am. Jesus received it.

God his Father owns EVERYTHING, 1 Corinthians 3:23 ..

Still can't comprehend simple sentence

O ma se oooo

Janosky:
Oga, you no understand anything in Proverbs 8:22-30 , John 1:3 & 1 Corinthians 8:6.

Abeg just allow your MUMU to rest.

So explain to me, since you understand.

While you allow your empty skull to continue to be empty.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING miscreant posted this AI screenshot evidence.

Emusan posted A.I screenshot evidence
"Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of all creation "
Genesis 49:3
Reuben, you are my first-born; My might and the beginning of my strength,
Preeminent in dignity and preeminent in power".

When I posted that screenshot, I still take my time to educate you because I know you find it hard to comprehend and still you still couldn't comprehend till now.

You're not JaNosense for a reason

MaxInDHouse:
My personal research is spiritual as no single JW will pray or worship with you if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Are others Jws not supposed to benefit from this your PERSONAL RESEARCH?

Why haven't you sent a letter to your headquarter about this your new findings?

The fact that know Jws will worship with me shows you lie that you never CLAIMED any BELIEVE IS WRONG.

Anyway, I know a liar will always remain a lair forever.

WHY?

Well many just believe that it's due to the way we do pray which negates how other religions do pray but the secret is in the new group name:

We must pray with only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14; John 17:8-9

That is the fact that you believe OTHERS belief are WRONG.

So shut your lying mouth.

MaxInDHouse:
Neighbor, i'm not asking you to believe or take what i discovered in my own personal research i responded because you were told that i said something that's why i explained in details how i figured it out on my own (note) ON MY OWN not what Jehovah's Witnesses believe collectively.

So if i never asked my fellow believers to take it why you?
Please each Bible scholar is free to make his or her own personal research regarding what he believes such treasures aren't meant to be shared until someone ask why the believer is so strongly attached to his religious group.

Thanks!

See this lying liar.

So, you agree now that Jws don't have ONE LINE OF THOUGHT anymore.

But when are you sending your PERSONAL RESEARCH to your headquarter about your NEW DISCOVERY or do you think others Jws are not worthy to know the truth about this PEESONAL RESEARCH?

MaxInDHouse:
There are many books regarded as scriptures and there are countless interpretations that led to uncountable doctrines so i don't say any belief is wrong it depends on the believer with his or her beliefs, my understanding is that the one that's WORKING what is BENEFICIAL i will go for along with my fellow believers! Matthew 12:46-50

The @color part reinforced that you're unrepentant liar

So i believe in the doctrine of 1914 as i can see that everything written in the scriptures about what i believe has been happening just as i was made to believe.

Everything written in the scripture yet you can't provide a single verse to back 1914.

So which scripture did you see 1914?

MaxInDHouse:
What i believe!

Which is wrong without scriptural and archeaological backing.

OR do you think EVERY BELIEVE is right?