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gohf:
Mal.3.1 "Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. The messenger of the covenant, whom you look for so eagerly, is surely coming," says the LORD Almighty.


The Lord mentioned here is Adonai, different from LORD which is Yehovah (or to some Yahweh)

Since the Lord Jesus is the messenger do you now not understand

Isa.40.3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness: "Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.

Jesus came to show the way and be the way, no one comes to the father except through him

The most critical part is what you left and address another thing.

Look @color parts, that is what you are missing.

Mal 3:1 ...prepare the was BEFORE ME....
Isa 40:3 ....making the dessert highway for OUR GOD...

John the Baptist fulfilled the part of preparing the WAY while Jesus is the one who fulfilled BEFORE ME AND OUR GOD.

Do you now understand?

Read your WHOLE bible, ask the Holy Spirit if you must. God the Father is indeed coming, coming to judge the world, read your Book of Revelation.

You're a liar!

John 5:22 "Furthermore, the Father does not judge[ao] anyone, but has assigned[ap] all judgment to the Son"

Stop lying against God, His word and the Holy spirit.

Yahweh of the Old Testament promised to COME either God lied or He has come.

you are beginning to sound like you're hardening your heart and just plainly refusing to. You accuse me of contradictions whereas what I have written lacks any form of contradiction. Being mighty doesn't make you almighty. Were there no mighty men, why have you limited your sight and perceived things like those who are blind

Who are you to decide who hardened his/her heart?

So, when the same Isa called God MIGHTY GOD SHOWS God might not be 'Almighty' or God later became Almighty at a point.

Yes! You're contradicting yourself.

If Jesus is called MIGHTY GOD and Old Testament also called God MIGHTY GOD it means there are TWO MIGHTY GODS.

You ignore everything Jesus said then claim you wrote what he said?

Where did I make this claim?

Jesus never called himself the Father, it is you who lies against him that does so.

And who said Jesus called Himself the Father?

If you can lie against him then you can lie that I said I know him fully when I said he is not hidden from us, and has been revealed to us.

Where did I lie against Jesus?

Secondly, I can't remember where I said you know Jesus FULLY.

I only said if your CLAIMED YOU KNOW HIM FULLY then it means you're the Father because according to Jesus Himself, you can't know Him fully except the Father.

First accusing me then agreeing with me shows you lack the patience to read and study the whole context of a message so as to understand what is being said.

Show me where I accused you.

THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE I QUOTED WRONGLY but whereas for you who claims to see, your blindness remains

So it's me that is quoting scripture WRONGLY right

Whenever you see them making this type of claim it's evident they know their own interpretation don get K-leg.

Barristter07:
He said he doesn't, neither do you and I

But Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS and Him and the Father ARE ONE.

Here in other to use Jesus statement 'I and my Father are One'

People like interpret that to mean Jesus and His Father are one both in THOUGHT AND ACTION.

@ 1John 2:20 we are said to know all things, does that mean we know the day and hour ? No. Jesus statement at Matthew 24:36 clarifies that Nobody knows the day and hour except the Father.

Yes! We know ALL THINGS concerning the TRUTH of the Gospel which is what the verse is addressing

This person knows the Father much more than Jesus who doesn't know ? Is Matthew 11:27 a joke to you : Nobody can know what Jesus doesn't know. So if the holy spirit is said to have access to thoughts that Jesus doesn't have , clearly a force from the Father is being personified. It CANNOT BE A PERSON, as No Person could have such access which Jesus doesn't.

The Holy Holy Spirit is a person and Know the very THOUGHT OF GOD.

To think inanimate things KNOWS the THOUGHT of your god is the greatest inappropriate statement about God, well The Great Yahweh can't be so low that inanimate things will KNOW his THOUGHT

Barristter07:
Partakers are FULLY GOD'S NATURE Too, I think it's high time you start adding all of them partakers of Gods divine nature, perhaps we might arrive at Millionity doctrine. obviously Trinity is wrong

You can't change the meaning of a word just for saying say.

PARTAKER can never be FULLY that is why some translation even used SHARED.

Trinity is a well scriptural concept, that is why your father the Devil has been fighting it since the death of the Apostles and failed.

"Therefore, since the children have partaken of blood and of flesh" Heb 2:14

Partake: Are we Half humans or Fully Humans ? Yes or No.

Nothing like half or full human.

Barristter07:
'The son doesn't know the day and hour , only the Father ' - Matthew 24:36

But the Son knows ALL THINGS

No other person can know what Jesus doesn't know.

The Holy Spirit know the very MIND OF GOD even the DEEP THINGS

And the greatest surprises, The Holy spirit knows THE THOUGHT OF GOD.

Do you understand what it means to know someone's THOUGHT?

Barristter07:
To partake of something is to be FULLY that thing. Heb 2:14 speak of you and I as partakers of humanity. Are we half human?

Smile....

No! The verse is talking about the Son be a partaker of flesh and blood yet still remains Divine.

So, to partake is not in FULL. STOP THE LIE.

The word translated as PARTAKER IN 2 PET 1:4 was used several times in fact it was used when the believers were said to be PARTAKER OF Christ suffering.

I don't know any believer who was tortured or crown with Thorn or nailed to the cross with Christ.

So if Nature is the basis on which you lots describe who is God, it means all the partakers of Divine nature are FULLY GOD TOO

Yes Nature is the basis because NO ONE I REPEAT NO ONE HAS THE NATURE OF GOD, TO DO SO MEANS THE PERSON IS ALSO GOD.

No! They are PARTAKER or SHARER as some version put it, the word used for Christ is 'ALL THE FULLNESS OF DEITY' spot the difference.

Barristter07:
It's a scriptural Fact that Nobody knows the Father like Jesus do. So how could holy spirit know what Jesus doesn't know? Not possible. Unless we are not discussing a person here

The Holy Spirit knows the Very MIND OF GOD even THE DEEP THINK

This shows that the Three persons of the Holy Trinity knows EVERYTHING.

' The son doesn't know, but only the Father ' Matthew 24:36

And the Son KNOWS ALL THINGS according to those Jesus spoke in their presence and Jesus didn't rebuke them.

Definitely, you're the one missing something.

achorladey:
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The fact of the matter is apart from a few, none have the time to check or crosscheck anything. They have equally being warned about challenging those placed as authority over them paapaa

Very dull person.

And the funny thing is how he will be jumping up and down doing copy and paste by cherry picking what he doesn't accept in whole and be thinking he is making sense.

Barristter07:
@bolded. Therefore only the Father knows, the Son doesn't know the day and hour.

And The Holy Spirit knows the VERY MIND OF GOD.

The Son also KNOWS ALL THINGS.

These are scriptural facts that you can never dispute without injecting your own philosophy.

Reason why you want it to be PERSONIFICATION because you know the implication of such.

No person knows the Father that deep except the Son. The son on the other hand doesn't know the day and hour, No other person can know. To claim holy spirit know what the son doesn't know is to make another person nore closer to the Father of course, unless holy spirit here is not a person, then it makes sense

Funny enough how you people speak for the scripture.

THE HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD, what does that tell you?

The SON KNOWS ALL THINGS.

So, you're the one who doesn't understand Jesus, His disciples understood Him very well and they later concluded that Jesus knows ALL THINGS.

Barristter07:
Divine Nature is God's nature. The word Divine mean " belonging to God " . Do you lack basic knowledge of English language?

You're the one who lacks the very basic knowledge of English language.

You know the implication hence the desperate attempt to separate.

Where did he separate it?

Peter used PARTAKE which means NOT IN FULL

Now more laughable is the "Gods form" . Form means how something or someone exist. What is God's form ? Joh. 4:24 . Spirit form.

Are there not millions of Angels with Gods form ?

This is pure ignorance!

If @underlined is true, it means those million of angels or billion of angels are also GOD.

It's like saying since everything in the physical world are grouped under the name PHYSICAL then they all have the same FORM AS HUMAN.

Apostle Paul explained this in 1 Corin 15 take your time to read it without holding your Watchtower or Awake

Janosky:
Emusan dunce your shamelessness is topnotch.
You know the FRAUD your Trinitarian mentors committed at 1 John 5:7 textus receptus manuscripts.

Emusan,Please come and continue WAILING .

Is that the reason why Watchtower committed the same FRAUD by adding the word 'OTHER' which was never part of the Greek manuscripts?

If you say 1 John 5:7 is a fraud then don't be ashame to call Watchtower FRAUD as well

Oponu JaNosense

Janosky:
King Nebuchadnezzar praises his prowess at Daniel 4:30 & you don't comprehend that?

IF NOT THAT YOUR BRAIN IS PAINING YOU.

My challenge was very simple, where did Nebuchadnezzar ever said he built it by HIMSELF

You said he praises [color=reb]HIS PROWESS[/color]

PROWESS is defined as a skill or expertise in a particular activity or field

Can you see that something is seriously wrong with you or you think you're in your hall where you can throw useless words around without being checked?

Emusan dunce.
Oga,which institution did you buy your degree from?

Dunce wey dey form Civil Engineer, you need to be seriously investigated.

Kai !!!!!!!!

I've told you before and I'll tell you again.

No building owner will ever CLAIMED THEY BUILD THEIR PROPERTY ALL BY HIM/HERSELF unless the person is the one who carried out every activities from start to finish.

Even as an Engineer you dare not put it in your CV that you BUILT A STRUCTURE ALL BY YOUR SELF rather you say, you PARTICIPATED in the construction work or carried out the construction work from start to finish.

Olodo JaNosense

Janosky:
Proverbs 8:22
LORD Jehovah created me at the beginning of his way ".

Did Jehovah created the speaker of Proverbs 8:22-30?
What was the duty of the speaker of Proverbs 8:22-30 when Jehovah set up the heavens and set the foundation of the earth?

Your Trinitarian mentors (NET Bible & Bible hub) confessed that the speaker of Proverbs 8:22-30 is a person created.

After all your rant, you still couldn't answer my question.

I use to ask you people who is that 'HE' the speaker was referencing? But you people will turn a blind eyes to it

When you're okay, remove that Watchtower veil and answer that question.

Barristter07:
[i]I can forgive the disciples for limited understanding,

Can you imagine the nonsense.

You want to forgive the Disciples when they made that statement in the PRESENCE of Jesus.

but making Jesus a Liar to push an agenda is unacceptable.

You're the one making Jesus to be a liar.

At least you didn't disagree that Jesus DIDN'T KNOW ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE.

[quute]Jesus emphatically said The son, himself doesn't know the day and hour. Are you now implying Jesus lied ?[/quote]I have said it times without number, Jesus didn't lie and the disciples who heard Jesus making that statement still BELIEVE JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS, so the only issue here is YOU WHO FAILED TO UNDERSTAND JESUS.

Even more embarrassing is the Fact that Jesus is the closest person to the Father in the universe, If he doesn't know the day and hour, how could anyone else know?

The Holy spirit WHO KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD and all the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY ARE INSEPARABLE.

This alone renders the whole holy spirit is a person thing in the gutters.

Your philosophy not the scripture.

The scripture is very clear Holy spirit is a PERSON:

What makes one to be a person:
1. Ability to know
2. Self consciousness
3. Having mind.

According to the scripture show me how The Holy spirit lacks any one of this.

Unless you want to imply holy spirit is the closest person to the Father over Jesus.

You see the reason you keep jumping around.
From personification to blablabla

The Holy Spirit KNOWS the very mind of God, you don't need any dictionary to understand this means He is very CLOSE TO THE PERSON.

Lastly, all the THREE PERSON are inseparable.

Read scripture for yourself.

gohf:
Jesus does not lie, neither did the scriptures nor gospel call the messiah the almighty God creator of heaven and earth

Jesus can never lie.

The Messiah from Old Testament perspective is God Almighty Himself according to Isaiah 40:3 and Malachi 3:1 as all the Four gospels also attested to it by applying it to Jesus Christ.

So if God claimed He's the one coming in the Old Testament, did God lie or God has not come?

Well, since the Four gospel writers applied those verses to Jesus Christ proved God did not lie and God Almighty has come as promised.

Jesus doesn't have two natures, even while he was on earth his nature was from God though he was in the image of man. Do you understand what you read, hope you understand God's word

You're contradicting yourself.

Why does he need to be in IMAGE OF MAN if He doesn't have two natures?

you are very funny, because Jesus did not send books to preach the gospel, he sent men and gave them authority just has the Father God sent him and gave him authority. Even Isaiah said he would be called mighty god not the Almighty God.

And the same Isaiah said God is MIGHTY GOD, do you then means there are now TWO Mighty Gods.

who ever lied to you that you cannot know Jesus probably also lied to you about who Jesus is. Saying Jesus cannot be fully know is saying he who the Father sent and revealed is still a mystery and the salvation of God has not been made known to us, that we do not lack anything as pertains to the salvation of our souls.

I didn't write that verse but that was Jesus very OWN STATEMENT.

So, to claim you FULLY KNOW Jesus Christ means you are now THE FATHER because that is the point Jesus made in that statement.

Scripture reveals who Jesus is but also the Spirit of God. Didn't Jesus say to Peter, flesh and blood did not reveal to you who I am. So stop being a mocker and making mockery of God's word by asking silly questions as, am I the Father, least you blamsphemy did they not also claim that the authority which was by the Holy Spirit was from demons.

That is my point, you can only know what was REVEALED not FULLY KNOW WHO Jesus is.

That should tell you, Jesus is more than what was revealed.

If you are blind do not claim to see as to mislead others

You can point out any misleading point in my post but as long as the scripture I was I quote and allow scripture to speak for itself, you can only be the blind person here.

achorladey:
The same thing I told one of their elders about saying others are false Christians based on their beliefs and that's why they go the house of those that are Christians already to preach to them what they termed true teachings. I asked him, those they call false Christian, don't they equally defend their beliefs from the Bible? He wanted to deflect. I told him you know they do.

Imagine the level of his delusion.

You said a Trinitarians are fraudulent for inserting something that is not in the Greek manuscripts but defending your OWN ORGANIZATION that also inserted what is not in the same Greek manuscripts.

The shamelessness is topnotch

Janosky:
Emusan posted A.I , the guy is desperate to refute the solid evidence he brought to Nairaland.
He must continue WAILING.


Emusan post:
"Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of creation."

You are still crying over this MetaAI, it shows it really exposed your lies.

Despite the fact that it's a screenshot, you still cherish pick it and quoted it half way

O ma se oooo

Janosky:
But you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah, who are one of the little clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to rule in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days” (Micah 5:2).

Jesus' Christ has origin, says Micah 5:2.
This screenshot evidence highlighted originated from Emusan.

So ETERNITY has origin to JaNosense

Janosky:
Because the solid evidence is against their delusion invented at Nicene, they digress from the topic.
They choose to respond with insults & personal attacks .


From Sand, Achorladey, FX Masterz,Courz Oteneaaron, Emusan etc.
Nah their way.

Do you now understand what MetaAI was saying JaNosense?

Janosky:

Emusan,continue WAILING your IBERIBEISM.
Nah you bring the evidence cemented forever on Nairaland.


Emusan post:
"Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of creation"

That is what in saying, till now you still couldn't understand MetaAI very pathetic of you JaNosense

Janosky:
Emusan your post:
"Jesus is the first born in the sense of being the first to be born or created. He is the beginning of creation"

Is enough evidence that "OTHER " @ Colossians 1:16 is very good and very correct.

Oga,Come & Continue WAILING.

That is what I'm saying,

You agreed that the word OTHER was not found in any GREEK MANUSCRIPTS but instead of calling out Watchtower for the fraud just as you can boldly call others, you try to defend it.

Who told you those translations you called dubious can't defend what they inserted?

Hypocrite JaNosense

MightySparrow:
Nice one.
I once asked the JWs' what material did God use to create Jesus ' none has been able to answer.

maximumSide
January
other JWs

Apart from material it known fact that every created being needs a SPACE TO OCCUPY.

Reason why the heaven was created for spirit beings.

So, if Jesus was the first to be created WHERE DID HE STAY? Since He was the one who created the abode of the spirit beings called HEAVEN.

One jws has mistakenly answer Jesus was in ETERNITY WITH THE FATHER.

I was like wa oooo do you know the meaning of ETERNITY? ETERNITY means no space, no time no mass e.t.c

The only thing that will make Jesus to be in ETERNITY with the Father is if He is God as well and this is the testimony of the scripture. Micah 5:2

Janosky:
The word "Godhead" is a dubious invention of Trinitarians, not found in any Greek manuscripts.

Greek Theiotes meaning "divine nature" is NOT Godhead.

The only God , that is the ONLY True God (John 5:44 & John 17:3) not get 3 heads nor 3 distinct persons,as FALSELY claimed by Trinitarians.

But you won't see the word "OTHER" inserted by Watchtower in Col 1:16-18 as dubious as it was never found in ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPTS.

Hypocrite!!!

Another strong point that Jesus deserve to be worshipped is found in John 5: 23 "so that everyone will honor the Son, JUST AS they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him."

No matter the translation you use, this is how you will find.

Meet any Jws elder and tell him, as from today I want you to respect me JUST AS you respect Jehovah and see he's reaction.

Here is how MetaAI also explain it @screenshort below.

Watchtower has a lot of articles on HOW TO HONOR JEHOVAH, now that Jesus is demanding the same HONOR given to The Father, when Watchtower is trying to explain the honor Jesus deserves they always left the most critical part out which is "JUST AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER"

Jesus is saying that if you claimed you honor the Father then you must give me EQUAL HONOR AS THE ONE YOU GIVE THE FATHER not to redefine HONOR when it's my own turn.

achorladey:
Further, we bring honor to the Son by taking upon ourselves his name, calling ourselves Christians, and then by living up to that name by our fine conduct. (Acts 11:26; 1 Peter 2:11, 12) The apostle Peter said that we should follow Jesus’ steps closely. (1 Peter 2:21) By thus imitating him in all our conduct, we also honor him. And certainly, when we annually celebrate the Memorial of Christ’s death, we accord him special honor.​—1 Corinthians 11:23-26.w91 2/1 pp. 15-19

MaxInDHouse: Those who bear the name CHRISTIAN does not belong to Jesus Christ.



cc: Emusan, FxMasterz, Courz

The evidence that he was spewing nonsense abound everywhere only that himself can't see into his own delusion.

MightySparrow:
Do you affirm that the Holy Ghost doesn't know the mind of the Father?

They won't affirm, that is why they decided to called it PERSONIFICATION

The moment they affirm, their lie falls down flat.

Barristter07:

Matt 24:36
"But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. "

Jesus said he doesn't know , but only the Father.

- The Son doesn't know, therefore the son cannot reveal to anyone the day and hour. This automatically rules out the holy spirit knowing the day and hour.

In that case, I repeat . Holy spirit doesn't know the day and hour, which means it's not God nor a person.


To claim otherwise, is to commit the heresy that holy spirit is a person that knows the Father's Mind much more than Jesus. ,hence greater than Christ. ❌ Unscriptural

The unscriptural point it that Holy spirit isn't a person.

The Holy spirit is a person and He Knows the Very Mind of God reason why you want it to be PERSONIFICATION.

When Jesus was discussing with people and told them "ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS" the same Disciples later confess that Jesus ACTUALLY KNOWS ALL THINGS.

So, you having problem to understand Jesus shouldn't be anybody's fault.

Jesus disciples in whom Jesus made that statement in their presence know more than you that is why they confess that OUR MASTER AND LORD KNOWS ALL THINGS. John 16:30

The next lie will be how ALL THINGS in that verse should be limited to something something

Michael547:
Anyone who has the gift of speaking In tongues displays both manifestation.

Your claim initially using Acts 2:4 was that people must understand what you're saying.

But here is what Paul said himself.

"For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying." 1 Corin 14:14

Today you people will say people who speak in tongue are saying gibberish but here is Apostle confirming that even him speaking don't understand what himself is saying.

Which means, if you people are around during the time of Paul, you would have called it gibberish as well.

WeirdAlien:
You just said exactly what I've been saying since. Speaking in other languages and speaking in unknown language. Two separate manifestations of speaking in tongues.
These other guys have been insisting it is only other human languages.

Bible was explicitly clear on the issue of speaking in tongue but they won't agree with the scripture rather go against it.

Paul in 1 Corin 14:2 says "For if you have the ability to speak in tongues, you will be talking only to God, since people won’t be able to understand you. You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious.

Something that is mysterious and no one around you will understand is what they want to limit to human languages.

achorladey:
His offspring in Isaiah 53:10 that he is not ashamed to call brothers is about 144,000 that are figurative. Do you agree?

I have shown you his offspring



The same Bible verse that I had referenced with your instrument repeatedly. Now.....

That Apart from him, exception was not ashamed to call them brothers.

You see it.

Imagine what he was spewing out

If they started talking about FIGURATIVE, SYMBOLISM, PERSONIFICATION, FIGURE OF SPEECH just know they want to start their usual twisting and manipulation of the scripture.

Who decides what is PERSONIFICATION, FIGURE OF SPEECH, SYMBOLISM, OR FIGURATIVE in the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
He doesn't know what to say but the dribbler and manipulator has come to his rescue, telling you that it's wise to hide within a group as a prominent member yet speaking against the same group.

Can you remember Jesus' word at Revelations 3:16

Real Witnesses of Jehovah will always stand for what is right not hiding among people you know are practicing falsehood claiming you're PHYSICALLY IN MENTALLY OUT!

This is to show you that, your lies of ONE LINE OF THOUGHT was never there in the first place.

Since there are PIMO among you and you can't even know them shows the gods in Warwick can also be PIMO

WeirdAlien:
Seems it's our understanding of the English that is different.
Either way that doesn't change anything else in the comment you quoted, which answers your second question with scriptural references.

What you're missing is in the very verse you quoted yourself earlier.

AMP: And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately]. Acts 2:4

@underlined clearly says "...as the Spirit was GIVING them the ABILITY to speak out.." which means, speaking in tongue is what Holy Spirit does by Himself and whatever the Spirit wants you to proclaim is what you will sound out.

Furthermore, Apostle Paul clearly says their is an Angelic languages as which means a languages that is not spoken by any tribe on earth.

Ubenedictus:
because the apostles themselves tell us that scripture was never supposed to be an exhaustive record of all they taught.

Then, Mary perpetual virginity is not important if not it would have been recorded.

In fact, the idea that everything the apostles taught should be written down in the bible is unbiblical because the apostles tell us they never attempted to do so! They told the church to hold on to the oral teaching they received and to pass on this teaching from generation to generation.

You are reinforcing my point the more.

If it's very important it will make it to the scripture because ORAL TRANSMISSION can be easily corrupted, so God the Omniscience knows the importance of WRITING that is why He directed the Apostles to pen His word down.

The idea that everything they taught should be in the bible is unbiblical and unhistorical.

ANd the scripture told us that what were written is for us to know That Jesus is the Son of God and by believing in Him we have eternal life.

So, if Mary perpetual virginity is that important it will make it to the WRITTEN scripture.

I repeat, the new testament WAS NOT written to be an exhaustive account of [b]Christian belief.[/u] The apostle were never interested in putting everything in writing because they commanded the church to hold on also to what they've been orally taught.

No! The whole Christian Belief boils down to this

KJV: But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. John 20:31

This view that the bible should contain everything is a new heresy barely 500 years old in Christendom.

Who says Bible should contain everything?

My point is that, what is penned down is what we need.

If Mary perpetual virginity is SO IMPORTANT it would've been part of the scripture.

because God word is not limited to the written word, it also includes the oral teaching which the apostles committed to the church and commanded them to hold.

At a time it was more widely spread than the new testament. The new testament was compiled in the 4th century

and that idea is against scripture which explicitly teaches that the church must hold on to the teachings that were delivered by word of mouth. If you 2000 years later come here and tell me that the teachings delivered to all the ancient churches from the apostles by word of mouth are not important, I will say, I chose to hold to them as Paul instructed, I will not follow you to say they're unimportant. That's a sad way to treat apostolic teaching.



God never said the written word was supposed to contain every thing. The holy spirit himself inspired how apostolic teaching is to be passed down and preserved 2 Tim 2:2.


this isn't what the apostles taught the church

you are making an argument from silence. That is a fallacy.

That the bible doesn't record something does not mean it didn't happen. It isn't explicit in scripture is not the same as it is false. That's a quantum leap.

Repetition.....

I never said Jesus didn't pass through Mary's womanhood. I don't know where you heard that.

But that was the reason you quoted me in the first place.

So, if Jesus actually passed through Mary womanhood, how can she REMAIN A VIRGIN?

You just jump into the discussion you don't understand and begin to prolong and deviate from the main point.

God's testimony through is word in scripture is important, God's testimony through the apostles to his church is also important. That is why the bible says we must hold both the written scripture and the oral apostolic witness given to the church.


In as much as they are apostolic teaching delivered to the church, the bible says we should hold them. I won't disobey what the bible says about the oral tradition that the apostles committed to the church simply because a modern day protestant does not like them.

Too many repetitive statement.

My point on this thread are:
1. Mary can't remain Virgin if Jesus actually passed through her womanhood. That is simple logic. (Remember it was then you asked if it's logical to conceived without man and I answered you that I believed because it's miracle and if Jesus birth was recorded to be a miracle i.e without passing through Mary womanhood I'll also believe)

2. Mary perpetual virginity isn't a requirement for salvation and not that important for the Gospel brought.

3. That it wasn't penned down is the evidence because the scripture tells us the purpose of what were penned down.