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Barristter07:
So it's now Jesus that is lying only the Father knows ? Let me get you clearly

Already answered multiple times.

Explain the statement " only the Father know"

That Devil just want you to call your Lord a liar

The Father knows, the Son Knows and The Holy spirit knows because THEY ARE ONE.

Reason why scripture says Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS

The Holy spirit KNOWS THE MIND OF GOD AND THE THOUGHT OF GOD.

It can.

Then that makes the Spirit to be a PERSON.

CAPTIVATOR:
There only exist a contradiction of such opinion not endorsement, Show this thread where Jesus open his mouth to claim he knows all things ? None exist

That is why you people have been calling Jesus and His apostles a liar.

The fact is, the disciples in whom Jesus made that statement in their presence knows more than you and that is why God used them because THEY ARE TRUSTWORTHY not a liar.

Inanimate object can know thoughts , can cry, can clap, can express Joy when personified.

My focus is @color....

When you're okay, let me know.

For now you have not answer my question.

Can INANIMATE OBJECT have the ability to know THOUGHT?

If it's not personified - You agree people exist in heaven before birth. Which is false

If it's not personified - You agree thoughts of men don't perish at death, another False

Remove the PERSONIFICATION first so that you will see road and be okay then the discussion can continue

gohf:
😂😂😂😂

That is Jesus The Christ.

Barristter07:
He said he doesn't know the day and hour, it would be a lie if there are two persons that knows and he claimed only the Father does. I refuse to make Christ a Liar like you are doing
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And the scripture says HE KNOWS ALL THINGS

Reason why you want the disciples to be LIAR like you.

[i]Man's spirit doesn't have a thought!!!! Its thoughtless, how is a person without thought? Not possible. Absence of thought is proof it's a Force ( Psalm 146:3,4)

All thoughts perish, it carries no thought! That's not a person!

The question is very simple.

Do you agree that INANIMATE OBJECT can't know THOUGHT?

This your diversion tactics won't work here.

CAPTIVATOR:
Where is the endorsement?

Nowhere Jesus ever open his mouth and contradict himself at Matthew 23:46. Keep peddling the opinion of fallible men

So in your hiding place, you didn't read that and you jumped into what you don't know

Opinion of FALLIBLE MEN IN JESUS PRESENCE with a BIG ENDORSEMENT BY JESUS

How far can you people go just to make God and His word a liar?

It doesn't even have a thought, Barristter07 has emphasize this

God is in heaven. To return means it has been in heaven prior, Do you accept that people exist in heaven before their birth on earth ?

Do you agree that INANIMATE OBJECT can't KNOW THOUGHT.

See diversion tactics

gohf:
🤣🤣🤣🤣

He has put gallow in his own neck

Now that you know Jesus is Alpha and Omega which means The Beginning and the ending

What do you have to say?

Barristter07:
Your effort to make Jesus a Liar at Matthew 23:46 is not working. Christ is perfect and his utterance solid. He doesn't know the day and hour

But HE KNOWS ALL THINGS

That is the point.

You know why you are trying to call the disciples FALSE because you know ALL THINGS included your confusion

Do man's spirit have thought? no.

Do you agree that NO INANIMATE OBJECT CAN KNOW THE THOUGHT OF MAN?

since you can't take up the challenge, then answer that simple question.

CAPTIVATOR:
Any statement that contradict the words of a Perfect Jesus that wasn't born into sin is from a Fallible person.

Jesus said He doesn't know the day and hour, is it Jesus that's lying?

Let me repeat to your dull ears again

Jesus made that statement in the presence of His disciples and the same disciples BELIEVED JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS

Where your Antichrist doctrine failed is that Jesus ENDORSED their BELIEVE.

Definitely it's you have problem to understand Jesus not His disciples which scripture confirmed that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Do you know how many diversion you people have created on this simple scriptural fact?

Nobody turn a blind eye, the answer is that a force was personified.
The consequence of saying otherwise is to admit people exist in heaven before their birth

When you see the @color then know the know the TRUTH but decided to change it.

Now you agree that NO INANIMATE OBJECT CAN KNOW THE THOUGHT OF MAN.

Can you return to where you haven't been? Is English this hard ?

Just admit peope exist in heaven before Dey are born if you want to peddle this fabrication

The Body was from the ground and retuned to ground the spirit if from God and RETUNED TO GOD.

Or you won't to deny that the spirit didn't RETURN TO GOD?

gohf:
which Jesus, is he the son of God who came in flesh, humbled Himself to the father and died and rose again and is seated at the right hand of the Father or is it your imaginary Jesus who you claim is God of heaven?

Yes! Jesus the Almighty God the Creator of Heavens and the Earth, the ETERNAL LIFE HIMSELF, Lord and Savior of the World.

Any more question?

Barristter07:
Jesus said he doesn't know the day and hour. The apostles are the one mistaken, one of Jesus or his apostles is mistaken. I fully agree the apostles are the one mistaken since they are imperfect men, Jesus Statements are all perfect.

What your delusion couldn't allow you to understand is that Jesus ENDORSED THEIR BELIEVE.

IF they are mistaken then it means ENDORSED THEIR LIE AGAINST HIM.

So much for you, see how Devil is playing ludo with your life.

Spirit of man doesn't have a thought , not person ( psalm 146:3,4) , only personification can make a thoughtless force be given the ability to know .

PERSONIFICATION AGAIN

Clear that from your head first.

Until then, let me know when you're ready

Barristter07:
Satans statement are also part of scripture, so that tactic won't work here. The apostles are mistaken that Jesus knows all things. Jesus is perfect and all his utterances are correct. Therefore Matthew 24:36 is true , not false

Jesus didn't ENDORSED Satan statement.

See the shameless lying and twisted mouth.

So Jesus disciples and Satan are now on the same page.

O ma se ooo

Desperation at its peak.

Since you claim spirit of man is a person that return to heaven it came from, what does it cost you to admit each person existed in heaven before they are given birth to ?

See how this small challenge is keeping you people restlessness.

Just to proof that INANIMATE OBJECT CAN KNOW THE THOUGHT is what hard you like this

Well I'm waiting for your proof.

gohf:
sorry I shouldn't have written he but HE, as in the Father. Because it is only the Father God who said of Himself I am the beginning and the end, God Almighty

Rev.1.8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Rev.21.6 - And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.
Rev.21.7 - He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.


But this is what Jesus says of himself
Rev.22.16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star."

But this what the Father says of himself
Rev.22.12 - "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last."


But this is Jesus the Son

Rev.2.1 "To the angel of the church of Ephesus write, "These things says He who holds the seven stars in His right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden lampstands:

Rev.2.8 "And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, "These things says the First and the Last, who was dead, and came to life:
(Before you jump at First and the Last; Matt.20.16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."
Rev.2.12 "And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write, "These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:

Rev.2.18 "And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write, "These things says the Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:
Rev.3.1 "And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, "These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: "I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
Rev.3.7 "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write, "These things says He who is holy, He who is true, "He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens":

Yet claiming to have Holy spirit explaining thing to him.

Lie against God and His word.

Now, the point is clear.

You agree that the Father called HIMSELF the beginning and the ending which means another person who claimed to be the beginning and the ending must also be God.

To burst your bubbles, that is exactly what Jesus called Himself Alpha and Omega

Let me see your next lie after all, you are the one who came up with that point.

Rev.3.14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, "These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:

Wait Jesus calls himself the beginning of God's creation oh oh

Yes! He is THE BEGINNING.

Just as the Father is also THE BEGINNING

are you not jusy proud in your own eyes?!

so we who have received eternal life who have eternal life have now become God Almighty, we have no beginning and no ending right?

You RECEIVED but Jesus is the VERY ETERNAL LIFE.

Do you understand what that means?

Barristter07:
then He lied. He said only the Father knows when they are two that knows

And the scripture lied that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

"Return to God"

This statement above is the proof that what God gave man isn't a person but a force . Do we exist as persons in heaven before birth and needed to return ? Or it's just a reference to breath of life ?

Before u can be said to return to a place, you already been there. Cc: Captivator

Now clinging to another straw man

My challenge to you people is very simple.

NO INANIMATE OBJECT have the ability to know THOUGHT.

Until you can proof this to be FALSE, stop taking us back to already done and dusted points.

It's evident they know INANIMATE OBJECT can't KNOW THOUGHT but they are just looking for diversion tactics and I won't allow that

gohf:
you are truly unrepentant ah well what was i expecting from you anyway 😩😩

Say God the Almighty

Continue in your way

I don't have way, I only follow Jesus way!

CAPTIVATOR:
The son doesn't know , verified and documented statement from The son himself , anything that contradict this is an opinion of a Fallible man.

The scripture clearly said Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS

Was that opinion of a FALLIBLE MAN?

The fact that you people trying to spin this to mean the Apostles were WRONG and lair shows how desperate you people are to make God a liar.

That is why I asked : Since the spirit of man is a person that return to Heaven, Do you accept it means we existed in heaven before birth? Very simple question

My challenge is very simple:

NO INANIMATE OBJECT have the ability to know THOUGHT.

Untill you can proof this to be FALSE, stop taking us back to already done and dusted points.

Since I've thrown this challenge, you people keep turning your blind eyes away.

Can't you proof me wrong?

Nobody asked you stories Mr storyteller

Barristter07:
Jesus is right that he doesn't know the day and hour , He will never contradict

The apostles are mistaken

Here will go.

And Jesus COMMENDED FOR THEIR MISTAKE

Wa ooooo

Just for you to keep deluding yourself you keep proving that you are the son of your father the Devil.

Which thought?

Your thought
God's thought.

Spirit of man doesn't even have a thought to begin with.

Psalm 146:3,4

His spirit departs, he return to his ground, on that day his thoughts perish.

The persons thought has perished, are you referring to a thoughtless spirit that return to God as Person? Height of delusion

See this delusional I've been wasting my time with.

This your diversion tactics won't help you.

You agreed the Spirit of man KNOWS THE THOUGHT OF MAN

Now, back to my challenge!

NO INANIMATE OBJECT have the ability to know THOUGHT.

Untill you can proof this to be FALSE, stop taking us back to already done and dusted points.

Barristter07:
Is Jesus mistaken at Matthew 24:36?

Keep going back and forth when the lying mouth got exposed.

Let me repeat myself, Jesus was not lying and the same disciples he made that statement in their presence later ACKNOWLEDGED THAT JESUS ACTUALLY KNOWS ALL THINGS in which Jesus commended them for THEIR NEW BELIEVE.

So, it is you who doesn't understand Jesus.

He gave a sound analogy, what returned to the Father ? A person that existed in heaven before birth or a force of life that existed before birth .

Keep dodging by guess what? I'll keep bringing it back

Her it is!
I repeat NO INANIMATE OBJECT have the ability to know THOUGHT.

Untill you can proof this to be FALSE, stop taking us back to already done and dusted points.

gohf:
and yet he is the beginning and the ending?

And you don't know that the Father is also THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING.

o ma se oooo

You who has understanding why don't you answer, let me ask you more questions you will also have no answers for

Does having eternal life make one God Almighty?

Very clear he didn't understand till now.

Jesus is the VERY ETERNAL LIFE, which means wasn't created nor having ending.

Spot the difference.

why don't you tell us, what does it mean to have eternal life, what does it mean to be eternal? Why don't you tell us, instead of trying to confuse us, tell us what it means.

To be ETERNAL MEANS no beginning nor ending, not created which is the reason you agree that a being is called GOD.

because HE HAS NO BEGINNING OR END OF LIFE.

gohf:
Asking the Holy Spirit is now rant to you.

Your rant!

Read and understand.

Treating others with contempt and ridiculing their as frustrating is what your heart tells you to do.

Guilty conscience.

With all your understanding this is what comes out from you.

Yes and you read it loud and clear!

CAPTIVATOR:
Nothing was dusted, Only the Father know, not two people, not three, just one person. Straight from Jesus himself

That is why already dusted.

Weak comprehension, Let me help you

Ade Returned to Brazil means Ade has previously been in Brazil. You can't return if you didn't came from there.

If spirit of man is a person that return, it means that person existed in heaven before birth. Which we know is False.

What existed with God before man was created or given birth to is the breath of life. A force.

I repeat NO INANIMATE OBJECT have the ability to know THOUGHT.

Untill you can proof this to be FALSE, stop taking us back to already done and dusted points.

Barristter07:
Silence is not endorsement, Many things were spoken about him on his trial and yet he was silent. Even Pilate was confused. I told you this before

@color truly shows how shameless and chronic liar you are.

Jesus wasn't silent, rather commended them for their BELIEVE.

O ma se ooo

This is the evident that you people lie shamelessly.

Exhibit A: Nowhere Jesus claim to know all things.

Exhibit B: Jesus is not the Father. Only the Father knows the day and hour.

The scripture says Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Just come out openly and say the scripture is FALSE since you people wanted to twist it that the apostles are liar.

He reconfirmed this when he said there are times and season that only the Father Can Set by his authority. Act 1

because He knows HE KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Spirit return to God who gave " it "
It - a thing given by God. Not person

The challenge, proof me wrong first that INANIMATE OBJECT HAVE THE ABILITY TO KNOW ONE'S THOUGHT.

By continue to dodge this shows your lying mouth

gohf:
are you writing to the blind who can't read or did you attach a spell to what you wrote?

You should answer your own question according to how it applied to you.

How exactly do you read He is the son of God and that proves He is God? How does Jesus being the life in God as written by John even in John.1.4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. (NKJV)

In the Father was the Son who is the life that is the light to us.

The very 1 John 1:2 you says the life was with the Father, was with God and not that He is God, yet you claim it is prove?

You have to first deceive yourself before you deceive and confuse others.

THIS IS THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU PEOPLE TRULY LACK UNDERSTANDING.

What makes God to be God is His nature which means for a being to be called God, it means self existence (ETERNAL), all knowing, all powerful e.t.c.

That 1 john clearly shows that Jesus is the VERY ETERNAL LIFE.

it means Jesus has no beginning and end.

So, Jesus being Son of God isn't an issue but you failed to understand what does it mean to be ETERNAL.

the only veil is the one covering your eyes, and I wish it covers your mouth and ties your hands as well so you stop being a false preacher.

Once you see a statement like, it shows they want you dead and only them remain to further their lies and delusions.

God did not testify that Jesus is God, God the Father testified that this is His beloved son in whom He is well pleased. So which other testimony of the Father did you read?

Then throw away those part where God didn't say anything in the scripture since the Bible is no MORE GOD'S WORD at least that will boost your lie the more.

Or is the one whom testified to you, the devil, the liar and father of all lies?

Obviously, you're showing us your father here.

Jesus also said what you give to these little ones you give to me, that doesn't make them, or us, Jesus. Those who honor those sent by JESUS honor him, and those who honor Jesus honor the Father who sent him.

So you can't take up my challenge.

That's is wonderful.

This shows, you know the truth but being blinded by your father the Devil.

Luke.9.48 and said to them, "Whoever receives this little child in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me receives Him who sent Me. For he who is least among you all will be great." let me just drop one verse instead of listing all the verses in the gospel this is recorded.

But will you learn? Will you listen? Will you repent? Or go back to the devil with more lies to spread!

The part you're having problem with is @color

In Jesus name!

Compare this to where Jesus said ....JUST AS...

Which means in anyway you HONOR TJE FATHER also HONOR ME.

That was Jesus statement, you deny it but His word remains ever TRUE.

How do you HONOR THE FATHER?

JESUS ASKED YOU TO HONOR HIM TJE SAME WAY.

go and pray for the wisdom of God

The only prayer you need it to ask for forgiveness as you have not been HONORING JESUS JUST AS YOU HONOR THE FATHER.

Barristter07:
We don agree say plenty Divine Nature persons exist, why you dey cry ?

Smile...

When you know your delusion got exposed you want to change gear.

Yes! We agreed and that's why I'm remind you your own very WORD.

Barristter07:
[i]Exhibit A. You can't provide anywhere Jesus himself said he knows all things. That has been established

Smile....

See how 'Jesus refuted their claim' went to dustbin

Do you agree Jesus ENDORSED the lie Hiw own apostles lie against Him?

Exhibit B : Jesus is not the Father, Jesus said Only the Father know, Just A SINGLE PERSON in the universe.

And the scripture says JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS

So it's you 2ho doesn't understand Jesus, Jesus disciples understood Him and they know their MASTER KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Emphasis on God gave " it". What God gave man as spirit in Genesis is a Breathing force .
" it" refer to inanimate thing.

That is why I said, you lack basic English. Deal with that first.

CAPTIVATOR:
"Only the Father knows"

Is Jesus the Father ?

Prove yourself the liar you are now

Already dusted.

All this noise just to evade the main point.

- men died before Jesus came to earth, yet Jesus declared none of them had gone to heaven. That automatically disqualified the idea that the spirit that left then is a person.

You need to enroll for Bible study for this.

I can't be explaining things pupils learn in their class to a supposed adult.

- If spirit of man that return to God who gave it, is a person, to " Return" means you are back to a position you previously occupied.

He has started using a weak point.

Since you claim to RETURN means BACK TO A POSITION YOU PREVIOUS OCCUPIED.

That means the Spirit that RETURN GOD GAVE left a vacuum in God.

ANd now that there are billions human on earth, your god must have completely be empty by now

Does that mean Adam existed before he was created? Does that mean humans exist as in heaven before they are given birth to

So you can't proof me wrong that:

NO INANIMATE OBJECT have the ability to know THOUGHT.

Well continue your ranting then.

CAPTIVATOR:
Noise as usual.

So you can't provide where Jesus said he knows the day and hour as they have requested. Noted.

So the scripture I have provided ARE ALL LIE, RIGHT?

Secondly, Jesus had said the son doesn't know, that is final.

I've already dusted this and you should have seen that in your hiding place.

Nobody knows, not even the son, Only the Father.

Again, this have been addressed.

Stop taking us back.

Unless you want to make Jesus a Liar to support your devilish agenda

Jesus can never lie, He is not your father the Devil.

That is why Jesus didn't correct His own apostles because He knows They are TELLING THE TRUTH.

Unless you mean Jesus ENDORSED LIES for your evil delusion.

- Did Adam return to heaven when he died, or humans for that matter?

What is he saying here?

Secondly to return means you were where you returned to before, so Adam/humans exist in heaven before they are birth on earth?? U are just blowing Gaffe.

Incoherent jargons!

Explain yourself in a clear/plain English next time.

Spirit of man is his breath from God, which exist before man was created, same applies to the holy spirit , a thing, not a person.

Spirit of man is a person reason why HE KNOWS the THOUGHT OF MAN

Same way the Spirit of God is a PERSON because HE KNOWS THE THOUGHT OF GOD.

I repeat NO INANIMATE OBJECT have the ability to know THOUGHT.

Untill you can proof this to be FALSE, stop taking us back to already done and dusted points.

Afterall, you read everything in your hiding place.

Barristter07:
You just dey add to Emusan trauma

See the two delusional

After you have seen how stupid your lie about PARTAKEN sounds, you now want to be playing hide and seek

Barristter07:
The same way Jesus clarified he doesn't know the day and hour.

Now, grabbing straw!

I've told you, disciples made that statement after Jesus statement even Peter own was after resurrection

Come with another lie

Now Provide where Jesus said he knows the day and hour ?

Scripture said Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS!

Spirit return to God who gave " It "

It - a thing. Be wise

English is really your problem!

You need to learn it first.

AntiChristian:
As regards the Sun's heat, that's not sun!

Both the heat, the fire and gasses ALL TOGETHER ARE CALLED SUN.

You can't call the gasses alone sun nor call the heat or the fire sun.

But in human terminology, human still call the heat sun.

The analogy of the Sun, where fire and heat are all called Sun, is limited because it implies the modes of existence rather than distinct persons.

It's not!

Fire is a part on its own
Likewise heat and gasses.

So if that to be considered a living thing then, it means both can be called PERSON

It fails to represent the co-equality and relational dynamics of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, leading to potential misunderstandings of the Trinity.

It did not.

Just understand the basic of it first!

As regards Mathematical Proportion! That one implies uniformity!
Using the mathematical proportion 1:1:1 = 1 as an analogy for the Trinity is limited because it suggests a numerical equality that may imply uniformity rather than distinct personhood. This oversimplification fails to capture the unique identities and relational aspects of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit within the Trinity according to your Bible!

Can you even listen to yourself?

It there anything that can be compared to God in the whole universe?

You want Trinitarian to use limited world substance to PERFECTLY EXPLAIN the unlimited PERSONS of God.

How could that be?

@color part had already solved your issue but you just want to continue with your buhaha.

Jozzy4:
The bold is the point. Jesus died and was in the grave. Not heaven.

The BODY died.

@highlighted, Jesus was in the grave , Countless humans have died before Jesus came to earth and yet he still declared no man has ever been to heaven John 3:13 . Men don't have another person that go to heaven when they die. Its a force.

Another nonsense to start giving you Bible study again.

The Spirit RETURNED TO GOD.

Says the Holy book.