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CAPTIVATOR:
You didn't agree with Watchtower, So did John said we know all things or not ?

No! John didn't say we KNOW ALL THINGS.

If not provide where John claimed such.

But John recorded and part of Jesus Apostles who ACKNOWLEDGED Jesus as ALL KNOWING.

CAPTIVATOR:
We know all things too, so this rant hold no water buddy

That means YOU ARE ALMIGHTY GOD.

Do you agree?

Explain this first " Only the Father knows" ?

I've done that several times go back and read from it.

Like I said, when you jump into this thread with your ranting, one will think you have something tangible to add but only to start going in circle like your deluded colleagues.

CAPTIVATOR:
Eeyah so you are agreeing with them that John is mistaken to say all things ? Because it surely appear in the text!

It was NEVER A MISTAKE.

Saying it's a MISTAKE MEANS God word is a MISTAKE.

You people are pure ENEMIES OF TRUTH.

This statement was made in THE PRESENCE OF JESUS.

If Jesus didn't see it as MISTAKE and correct them, why will you liars call it MISTAKE?

It evident, you people know the implication of that verse and the reason you want it to be a MISTAKE.

which you are even denying God's word accuracy the more.

CAPTIVATOR:
Floww23 said you dumb, don't tell me it's true
" only the Father "

Explain this statement ?

Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS!

This single statement is the reason you said the blessed Apostles word are JUST FALLIBLE MEN WORD.

Don't forget!

CAPTIVATOR:
Do you now agree with Watchtower that all things doesn't mean all things ? Because I don't understand this rant

Not that I agree with Watchtower as MANY TRANSLATIONS before the coming of NWT and after the coming of NWT did translate it to express the true meaning.

I only brought NWT in because I know you hold no other translation above your NWT.

So, denying your NWT and using other translations is hypocrisy on its own.

So, stop the lie Mr lying liar.

Barristter07:
If they are not mistaken, did Jesus lie at Matt 23:46 ?

They NEVER MADE MISTAKE and you know the implication that was the reason you want to count it as MISTAKE.

Also, thise statements were in the VERY PRESENCE of Jesus Christ which Jesus ACKNOWLEDGED THEM, if it was a MISTAKE Jesus is the one in the right place to CORRECT THEM.

Now you after years of Jesus ENDORSEMENT.

You are forgetting all my submission are strongly backed by Jesus statement at Matthew 23:46

That is why I'm telling you that, your submission was TOTALLY WRONG.

because of:
1. The disciples in whom Jesus made that statement later ACKNOWLEDGED Jesus AS ALL KNOWING.

2. Jesus who made that statement was around when the disciples ACKNOWLEDGED His INFINITE KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THINGS yet He didn't correct them but ENDORSED THWIR BELIEVE.

So, it you who has never been in disciples shoe and I've said it before that you are the one who don't understand Jesus not that the disciples made any MISTAKE AS YOU CLAIMED.

Kingsempires:
he didn't see everything wrong in that statement small time now Muslim on nairaland forum will see this.

They will say christian are being mad

They know the implication that is why they have been going back and forth.

Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS

By allowing this to have its true meaning means He is Almighty GOD since only God have INILFINITE KNOWLEDGE of things.

And the verse they are arguing with EVEN their translation (remember they hold NWT above any translation) shows it's not that Christians KNOW ALL THINGS.

Their lies won't stand!

CAPTIVATOR:
@Bold, Did Jesus not say only the Father knows the day and hour ? Why didn't others claimed to know all things also know the day and hour ?

You didn't answer my question.

Why did you say it CONTRADICT Jesus?

Not all truth, point of correction. He said we know all things. Is he mistaken?

It is the truth not ALL KNOWING as in case of Jesus.

That is why no translation ever translated John 16:30 and John 21:17 as they way 1 john 2:20 was translated.

Stop lying

You this shameless liar.

CAPTIVATOR:
If John said we Christian know all things ND you have the audacity to claim it means just knowledge of truth. It means you also agree he is mistaken. If you believe he is saying the truth, admit it that we know all things.

See another broad day lie.

I provided WATCHTOWER TRANSLATION which is the TRANSLATION YOU PUT YOUR FAITH ON to show you that what that verse means is not ALL KNOWING as in INFINITE UNDERSTANDING OF THINGS.

It was your deluded colleague who was using KJV which he never even TRUST in the first place to proof it was ALL THINGS.

I never thought it was a mistake because I'm not someone like you who deny God's word.

But here is the implication, it was YOUR OWN ORGANIZATION WHO YOU AGREED TO BE JESUS MOUTHPIECE THAT SAYS the understanding of that verse is not ALL KNOWING but in the car of Jesus where disciples acknowledged Jesus as ALL KNOWING no where one was translated as mere knowledge.

Come with another lie.

CAPTIVATOR:
Point what is wrong?

Did Jesus himself ever open his mouth and said he knows all things? No, his apostles did. Same apostles said We Christians know all things.

Now, you agreed that the Apostles did.

Why did you called it a word of FALLIBLE MEN?

Why did you say it CONTRADICT Jesus statement.

Why did you support your deluded colleague that it was A MISTAKE?

WHEN YOU KNOW THE SAME Apostles SAID WE CHRISTIANS KNOWS ALL TRUTH....

You see why you people are so shameless and always displaying your HATRED TOWARDS THE TRUTH.

Kingsempires:
is it not your fellow JW that said this?

Don't allow him to deviate, that is there tactics after their lying mouth got exposed.

He didn't only endorsed what his fellow colleague said but him also made similar CLAIM which shows they HATE ANYTHING ABOUT JESUS

Below in the screenshot are his own words.

Notice how he keeps repeating the word FALLIBLE MAN and HOW THEY CONTRADICTED JESUS.

So they know exactly what they are up to.

CAPTIVATOR:
Emusan We also know all things, the same implication apply to us.

Now, grasping straw man after his lying mouth has been exposed.

FRAUDSTER!

This thread will continue to be a testament on how you people HATE JESUS CHRIST.

Kingsempires:
so there is nothing wrong with the screenshot ok the bible is contradicted

Don't mind him, as you can see from the screenshot, the claim was that the disciples MADE MISTAKE for using such word for Jesus Christ because they know the MEANING and IMPLICATION of such word been APPLIED TO JESUS.

when their lies got exposed, they want to change the narration.

CAPTIVATOR:
There's nothing wrong with the screenshot, anyone who doesn't know the day and hour doesn't know all things. If peradventure such is said , it not absolute.

Lying liar!

You know the meaning of KNOWING ALL THINGS and the implication of using such word for Jesus Christ.

Reason why you and your deluded fellow said the disciples MADE MISTAKE.

The MISTAKE they made HERE is using such WORD FOR JESUS.

Now, you want to turn around and be claiming nonsense.

FRAUDSTER

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was enthroned in the year 1914!

No support from the scripture

Here is a clear proof from the scripture that Jesus is already A RULER.

Rev 1:5 ". . . and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, the ruler of kings."

How can the RULER of kings be enthroned in the year 1914?

Floww23:
How does meaning of person change the Fact that you teach that people have a prehuman existence as spirit person's before coming to earth? Or y'all just spit dumb Mormon shit you can't defend ?

If you understand the meaning of PERSON then you won't inject in your statement PREHUMAN existence.

That shows you don't even understand the discussion you join in the first.

Or can you show me where PREHUMAN EXISTENCE ever appeared in my post?

CAPTIVATOR:
Since Matthew 24:36 is irrelevant now, Emusan I hope you agree We know all things as written in 1John 2:20?

Nobody says Matt 24:36 is irrelevant, you're just grasping a strawman.

I've made it clear that the same Jesus Apostles who heard their Lord and God saying ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS from Jesus mouth are the ones who later CONFESSED JESUS ABSOLUTE INFINITE UNDERSTANDING OF ALL THINGS in the very PRESENCE OF JESUS CHRIST.

IF they actually made MISTAKE like you FRAUDSTER projected earlier, Jesus would have corrected THEM.

Reason why you fraudulent people discarded their testimony and called them a liar and claimed they ONLY MADE MISTAKE FOR SAYING JESUS KNOWS ALL THINGS.

Your deed has been exposed, sorry!

And you admit it means that Spirit person was transferred to an Earthly womb from Above like Jesus Christ?

Provide where I said so, I'm not a liar like you.

ONLY A PERSON KNOWS THE THOUGHT.

Just proof how an inanimate object can know THOUGHT first.

Floww23:
You dumb Bro.

Says someone who doesn't know the meaning of PERSON....

Kingsempires:
Jesus!!! ,na who right that screen shot below ? Na mistake?

Those who hate JESUS Christ but always pretending to be the one who TRULY follow Him.

CAPTIVATOR:
Barristter07 don educate you with 1John 2:20. Deal with it. ShebiMatthew 24:36 isnt relevant, We know all things Buddy

When lie got exposed.

The same deluded person, you agreed with that the Apostles made mistake for saying Jesus knows ALL THINGS.

Now, 1 John 2:20 it's not a mistake to you because it's not ABOUT JESUS CHRIST.

Which reinforced people point you guys hate anything Jesus but just deceiving yourself of FOLLOWING THE SAME JESUS.

Thanks you for the Bold now, That means this Spirit person was transferred by God from heaven to an Earthly womb Shey?

Whatever your conclusion is.

At leat you couldn't counter the fact that 'ONLY A PERSON can know THOUGHT'.

achorladey:
Continued.......

Disfellowshipping is misappropriated and used as a means of pressure, even against family members, children and those who were minors at the time of their baptism. This not only contradicts the Bible (Mark 2:16, 17, Proverbs 17:17, Isaiah 58:6, 7), but also the Convention on the Rights of the Child, the German Basic Law (Art. 3) and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and has massive consequences for mental health.

We want to be able to gather freely with other Christians without being viewed with suspicion or marginalized (Matt. 18:20, Heb. 10:24, 25).

Nowhere does the Bible mention that Christians should call themselves by the name that God gave to the people of Israel, which significantly does not appear once in the basic Greek text of the New Testament. We want to be witnesses of Jesus and simply be called Christians - as Jesus commanded and as it was also ordained by divine providence (Acts 1:8; 11:26).

The judgement of other people who follow Christ was not given to us, but to angels (Matt. 13:27-30, 39, Mark 9:38-40, Gal. 3:26, Rom. 8:14).

Our salvation does not depend on obedience to mysterious human instructions in the future, but on our personal faith in Jesus (Gal. 3:11, Rom. 14:22, 23, Acts 16:31). Salvation does not come by performance, but by grace alone (Eph. 2:8-9, Rom. 3:27-28; 10:2-4).

We do not believe that God guides us by progressive error, but by truth (1 John 1:5). According to the Bible, truth is not found in a plethora of books, magazines and special teachings that change regularly, but in Jesus himself (John 14:6).

We believe that contact with other worldviews is not dangerous, but enriching. Proven faith is, according to the Bible, as lasting as gold (1 Peter 1:7). It has nothing in common with a soap bubble that threatens to burst at the slightest touch.

We believe that education, art, culture, the free development of the personality and sufficient free time are not detrimental to faith, but rather conducive to it. We are convinced that knowledge is always better than ignorance - and freedom is always better than coercion.

We do not believe that a symbol is more sacred to God than what it stands for. Consequently, blood is not more sacred than the lives of our children. In emergency situations, we therefore follow Jesus' example of mercy (Matt. 12:7-12).

We want our children to grow up in an environment where the focus is not on terms such as Armageddon, Gog of Magog, Babylon the Great, overlapping generation, Governing Body or years, but on love (1 Cor. 13:2, 13).

We believe that unconditional love should be the essence of every family and every Christian (Prov. 17:17, 1 Cor. 13:2).

We want our children to be able to talk about their personal faith and doubts at any time without making themselves suspicious or being afraid of being ostracized by their family.

Our experience in recent years has shown us that this is not possible with Jehovah's Witnesses. We therefore hereby declare that we no longer wish to be known as Jehovah's Witnesses.

We ask for written confirmation.

WHoever wrote this captured the whole Watchtower delusion in one page!

achorladey:
This is because the GODS of men housed in USA said so and must be trusted completely and absolutely

And failure to read scripture like the berean brethren to confirm for oneself.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was enthroned in the year 1914

Evidence from the scripture:

Rev 1:5 ". . . and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings."

How can the RULER of kings be enthroned in the year 1914?

Floww23:
Oya
And the person was Transported to womb on Earth?

Go and learn the meaning of PERSON first.

That is what you need for now!

Barristter07:
You don finally accept we know all things ?

Or is Matthew 24:36 still relevant

On this issue you're a confirmed

FRAUDSTER
FRAUDSTER
FRAUDSTER

Your receipt is down below.

If you can claim the Apostles made mistake for saying Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS, only to come back to start saying rubbish, then it's evident you have problem with Jesus Christ not anybody.

Your low comprehension is responsible for that , they have always agreed theos applies to Jesus as it does to us.

Liar! Anyway, don't let me deviate from the main point.

But everyone know you're lying.

CAPTIVATOR:
Anybody can be said to know all things, the evidence is all over this thread .

The bone of contention is that Concerning the day and hour , only a single person know the day and hour. Matt 24:36

FRAUDSTER everywhere.

The same you and your deluded ones are the one who first claimed the Apostles were WRONG and made MISTAKE but all of a sudden you revert back to ANYBODY CAN BE SAID TO NO ALL THINGS.

if your brain is not paining you, you should to KNOW ALL THINGS means ETERNAL KNOWLEDGE which is ONLY ATTRIBUTE OF GOD ALMIGHTY.

And the reason why you deluded people wanted to shift the blaim on the Apostles.

Shameless lying liar people.

Persons have abode

Spirit persons live In heaven and God transfer this person to earth like Jesus Christ? In your bid to defend a lie , you are making Jesus pre existence a Joke. So it's a General thing to everyone ? Emusan brain dey pain you o

You can't DENY THAT GOD GAVE SPIRIT TO EVERY HUMAN ON EARTH.

So, where was the spirit before God gave it?

You can't DENY that the spirit God gave returned to God at death.

The fact remains, ONLY A PERSON CAN KNOW THE THOUGHT.

The challenge you people have been running away from since.

Barristter07:
Do you now accept that We know all things too? Since you can confirm the Greek word was actually correct.

Denying we know all things is you admitting Matthew 24:36 is Relevant.

FRADUSTER

FRAUDSTER

FRAUDSTER

Your receipt is attached below!

We are all GOD'S as far as Theos is concerned. It was applied to Jesus and us.

You never answer my question!

Why does your lying ORGANIZATION says Jesus is not God which you also accepted AND defending everywhere?

Every lying mouth shall be EXPOSED.

Floww23:
The spirit person exist before human birth ?

The Spirit God gave IS A PERSON!

Since you don't know what person means, how will you understand what I just said now?

You see the reason why I said, you need to go and learn first before coming here?

CAPTIVATOR:
Jesus is not the Father , Jesus said only the Father know the day and hour. Who are you to say Jesus lie ?

Point out where I said Jesus lied.
False accusation!

Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS!

The Father alone knows the day and hour, Holy spirit don become the Father now ?

But Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS

The truth you are afraid of is staring at you at Matthew 24:36

Just as the truth you're afraid of is staring at you in John 16:30, 21:17

In your bid to prove a lie , you arrive at Prehuman existence like Jesus Christ , Oshey. No wonder Dem call you Mormon

If you are correct , Jesus lied when he said he alone came from above. Na everybody come from above, them just transfer us inside our Mothers womb . Brain is paining you Emusan

Smile.....

See delusion, when you people can't even comprehend simple thing then you want to be taken serious.

The SPIRIT OF HUMAN IS A PERSON that has been my point.

My challenge has been, you proof how INANIMATE OBJECT can have ABILITY TO KNOW THOUGHT, which you people are running around like headless chicken with since.

Floww23:
Yes. If you disagree, tell your own definition of person. Don't forget the subject is that we all have a pre human existence as spirit person's like Jesus before we were born or Adam was created.

If that is the definition of a person to you then you're don't understand what you want to discuss with me.

Go and study more about that, after you fully understand it then you can join the discussion.

@color part, I never say anything about HUMAN preexistence.

Who and you, is discussing that?

Barristter07:
Sure according to the Bible, we Re all knowing and know all things. Since you want to be silly

The Greek word for all things was applied to us at 1John 2:20

Just see the way I'm laughing at your delusion here....

You people are too dull to fall into your own abasement of delusion.

Yet you and your deluded people were trying to CLAIMED THAT THE apostles WERE WRONG AND MADE MISTAKE for saying Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

That is why is said this matter has been done and dusted with.

But here again you're trying to proof that GREEK WORD AWAS ACTUALLY CORRECT in consideration of blablah.....

Very dubious and fraudulent people.

What if I had agreed that the Apostles actually wrong and made mistake?

That is how you fraudulent would have revert back, no wonder your organization can play you people like ludo with God's word.

Both , anyone goes because that's the meaning of Theos, and it was applied to us

So why do you and your deluded organization always claimed JESUS IS NOT GOD?

When you know this!

More gallow is being set up.

Floww23:
Its too early .

Person: Every individual that exist as a Child of God . So what next ?

No wonder!

Is that the meaning of PERSON?