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Jozzy4:
Why is this hard for you
Present where Jesus said he knows all things ?

Doesn't exist?

I PRESENTED THE SCRIPTURE.

Do you have problem with God's word?

No one knows the Father like the Son. The implication is that nobody can know what the son declares himself that he doesn't know because that would mean someone else knows the Father than Jesus which is unscriptural and wrong. Holy spirit knowing in that refers to a force that proceed from the Father himself. Not a person. Spirit of man also know the things of man, yet it's not a person but his breath

You have been shouting this nonsense since yet you can proof HOW INANIMATE OBJECT HAVE THE ABILITY TO KNOW ONE'S THOUGHT.

No wonder you people are deluding yourself with that PERSONIFICATION nonsense.

Proof that first, then I'll take you serious.

The evidences from the scripture are:
1. The Holy spirit knows the very MIND OF GOD.
2. The Holy spirit knows the very THOUGHT OF GOD.

Your god is so low that ordinary INANIMATE OBJECT knows his thought.

CAPTIVATOR:
Blowing Gaffe as usual. I read the chats and I could see how you have been making silly assumptions because you want to bail yourself out cheaply.

So you have been doing hide and seek until that nonsense in your pushed you to come out.

As Jozzy4 and Barristter07 requested, Show this thread where Jesus open his own mouth to contradict himself and claim to know all things , waiting. He isn't as deluded as you are to stoop that low and contradict himself.

Yet Jesus didn't correct His own followers for CONTRAICTED Him and you think you know more than Jesus Himself.

If the disciples were wrong that Jesus actually KNOWS ALL THINGS it's Jesus duty to correct them not you Mr. ITK

Secondly


Genesis 3:19

" you are Dust"

" You [Adam ] are Dust"

Human beings are dust, that dust is the person. The spirit in them is not a person, it's breath. If It's a person, so Adam return to God in heaven after death? Many of una no just get sense for this life.

Stop taking us back.

What I just want you people to proof now is WHEN INANIMATE OBJECT HAVE THE ABILITY TO KNOW THE THOUGHT OF A MAN.

Come with your scientific or whatever!

I'm waiting....

Reason why you people dubiously called it PERSONIFICATION

Barristter07:
Your According to Scripture logic is wack , according to scripture , Jesus is a drunkard too since some people said it.

We know he said he doesn't know the day and hour, Counter- Provide where Jesus said he knows all things?

It was never the disciples who called Jesus DRUNKARD and Jesus clarified how he was not a DRUNKARD.

You see where you failed woefully.

Spirit of man isn't a person , yet its said to know the thoughts of a man. Ecc 12:7 the spirit return to God who gave it . Self explanatory, spirit of man is an " it".

O ma se o

The spirit of man is a PERSON that is why He can KNOW THE THOUGHT OF MAN.

No inanimate OBJECT have that ability.

Reason why you want it to be PERSONIFIED!

Like I said, just remove the nonsense PERSONIFICATION lens from eyes and see the true picture of God's word.

Janosky:
Let me itemize the points again.
*1The pertinent questions are :
Did God created angels before Adam?
Did angels exist before Adam was created?

To both questions the answer is Yes.

*2. Trinitarians claimed that "US" @ Genesis 1:26 & Genesis 3:22 refer to their 3 deities/persons.

The question is:

@ Genesis 6:6, did 3 deities or 3 persons expressed regret @ Genesis 6:6?
No !
Genesis 6:6 consigned Trinitarian claim to the dustbin.

@ Genesis 1:26, God said to the divine assembly (the Council of gods, @ Psalm 82:1 & Psalm 89:7.: "Let US make man."

*3.
@ Isaiah 6:8, "Who will go for us?"

Who are the " US" @ Isaiah 6:8?
Definitely not 3 deities.

But Isaiah the prophet & the divine assembly/council of gods (holy ones) in heaven. (The court of heaven).

Isaiah would not be given the assignment if was excluded from the "US ".

This JaNosense even claimed it was "Council of gods" so you were created in the image of gods and not that of Almighty God

Janosky:
Deuteronomy 10:17 Jehovah is the God of gods.

The sons of Jehovah God are gods. Psalm 82:6.

Oga, carry your delusion outta here.

Oponu....

Your deluded brother says:

1. To PARTAKE in something makes you BECOME very that thing you partake.

2. Believers were said to be a partaker in the Divine Nature makes them to be very ALMIGHTY GOD

So, if you support his interpretation and explanation (which I know you did as deluded as you are), it means Trinity is even better but your nonsensical idea CREATES NOT JUST Three ALMIGHTY GODS but BILLION OF ALMIGHTY GODS as believers included

Jozzy4:
"son of man will be in the heart of the earth"

Who is the Son of man?

"Destroy this BUILDING and I'll raise it up...He is talking about His BODY"

Simple English.

Blasphemy! You are saying Jesus didn't die for sins. He just changed location 😂🤣🤣🤣

O ma se ooo

So the BODY was alive!

God the Father raised Jesus back to life ( 1Pet 1:3) the person called Jesus died. The bible said the Messiah pour his own SOUL UNTO DEATH. Not just a body. HIS SOUL as a PERSON died.

So Jesus lied that He will RAISE the Body

Jesus also lied that He has the power to lay down His life and also TAKE it back.

It was Jesus that was in the grave until ressurection. He didn't take himself to heaven until the day he was taken up ... He died on earth, rested as a dead soul on earth for three days , get ressurected as a living soul on earth, until the day he was taken up to heaven.

The BODY was in the grave which is also Jesus

The SPIRIT can't die and is a person.

Jozzy4:
Fraud, He said you should present where Jesus said himself that he knows all things ?

He already present where he said with his own mouth that he doesn't know.

Smile....

See delusion.

Now, what the scripture says doesn't matter anymore just for your fraudulent ideas.

O ma se oooo...

Holy spirit cannot know what Jesus said he doesn't know.

That is your own understanding.

The scripture says the Holy knows the MIND OF GOD and the very THOUGHT OF GOD.

No inanimate object can know ANOTHER PERSON MIND.

To think ordinary FORCE knows the MIND of your god shows how powerless your god is.

Jesus is the closest person to the Father. This is clarifying the truth that it's a force that proceed from the Father himself.

That a force KNOWS the mind of your god should make you to be a shame of your god.

But for the great Yahweh, the God of the universe force is too small to know His mind talk less of His THOUGHT.

Spirit of man was also said to know the thoughts of man and yet it's not a Person/soul . Wake up.

I repeat that was because spirit of man is also a PERSON.

Only a person have the ABILITY TO KNOW ANOTHER PERSON MIND.

You can't proof this wrong since.

achorladey:
That's why one line of thought is a delusion to keep them in line.


I remember MaxInDHouse instantly called those still in their midst apostates when they make post to expose the lies and manipulations going on

That is the delusion I'm talking about.

They know apostate are among them which can be ANYBODY including their gods in Warwick but they still want you to accept that:

1. ONLY Jws belongs to God.
2. Jws have ONE LINE OF THOUGHT

So, it means both apostate and the real Jws belongs to God and also have ONE LINE OF THOGHT

gohf:
MEMORY VERSE: “And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” – 1 John 5:20 (KJV)

First how does this memory verse support the claim that Jesus is God?

Jesus came to give us understanding, okay understanding about what

1. That we may know HIM who is true... Who is that?
We are in HIM, even in HIS son Jesus Christ. And He is the true God.

Now this verse doesn't prove in anyway that Jesus is God yet it is a verse to be remembered as one that is supposed to support such believe?

Funny how he will be claiming Holy spirit explain scripture to him.

1 John 5:20 actually proved Jesus is THE TRUE God.

The same John wrote in 1 John 1: 2 "Yes, the one who is life was to us. We saw him, and so we can tell others about him. We now tell you about him. He is the eternal life that was with God the Father and was shown to us."

John actually said here that Jesus is The very ETERNAL LIFE

So, you can see how 1 John 5:20 agreed with 1 John 1:2.

The reason why you people don't want to acknowledge Jesus as God is the veil covering your eyes. Scripture already gave us every knowledge will need about Jesus being God Almighty but you people will rather reject God very own testimony and embrace another thing.

Well, from Jesus very own mouth "so that everyone will honor the Son, JUST AS THEY HONOR THE FATHER. Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him." John 5:20

Pounder @underlined words and in case you don't know the gravity of Jesus word, I will advice you take this simple practical step.

Walk to any person you know is very older than you then tell the person face to face that sir/ma "As from today I want you to HONOR me JUST AS YOU HONOR your Father/Mother"

Let's see how they will embrace you with a good gesture and think you're not making yourself EQUAL to their parent or you will receive a resounding slap with enough beating especially if they know they are even older than you.

Or better still, if someone you know you're much older than walk up to you and say, Oga, from today henceforth, I want you to be respecting me JUST AS YOU RESPECT YOUR PARENT?

How will you feel?

AntiChristian:
The concept of the Trinity—the Christian doctrine that defines God as one being in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—has been explained through various analogies and theological frameworks. Here’s a summary of some of the best ways it has been explained, along with the corresponding impediments to each explanation:

1.Water Analogy
Explanation: Water can exist in three states: liquid, ice, and steam. Each state is fundamentally water yet manifests differently.
Impediment: This analogy leans towards modalism, suggesting that God merely changes forms rather than existing simultaneously in three persons.

2.Triangular Analogy
Explanation: A triangle has three sides and is one shape. Each side represents a person of the Trinity, unified as one entity.
Impediment: This can imply that the persons of the Trinity are merely parts of a whole, which can lead to a misunderstanding of the distinctiveness and co-equality of the three persons.

3.Roles of a Person Analogy
Explanation: A person can be a parent, a child, and a sibling simultaneously, showcasing different roles while remaining one person.
Impediment: This analogy risks falling into partialism or modalism as well, blurring the lines of individual personhood within the Trinity.

4.Sun Analogy
Explanation: The sun represents the Father, its light represents the Son, and heat represents the Holy Spirit. All are aspects of the same source.
Impediment: This analogy can imply that the Son and the Holy Spirit are not fully divine as they are merely emanations from the Father.

5. Mathematical Analogy
Explanation: Using the equation 1 + 1 + 1 = 1, this analogy emphasizes the unity of the three persons in one essence.
Impediment: It can confuse those unfamiliar with advanced mathematics and may not effectively convey the relationship between the three persons. 1+1+1= 3 not 1.

6. The Egg Analogy
The egg analogy explains the Trinity using an egg's three parts: shell, egg white, and yolk, which together form one egg. It illustrates unity and distinction. However, it risks partialism, implying each part is only a portion of God, and oversimplifies the complex relationships among the three persons.

So what is the best way to explain trinity without embracing modalism, partialism or debasing God from what He is not?

Well just as you said, it's called ANALOGY for a reason which means human was just trying to use their limited mind to explain Almighty God.

No amount of explanation about Trinity can be sufficient for you as you're not seeking the true knowledge.

Trinity concept was developed to reconcile the mystery revealed in the scripture which is: The Son is God, The Holy spirit is God and the Father is God but unfortunately you don't believe the whole scripture even though you can cherry pick the part you want.

But for education purposes, here is what you're having issue with.

All the above analogies only show how ONE THING can co-exist.

The closest to Trinity is that of the Sun as both the fire and heat are all CALLED Sun.

But to me the perfect analogy for Trinity is this mathematical proportion 1:1:1 = 1

achorladey:
🤣🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣

All these points can only show how pronounce the delusion really is.

To advance any of their truth they must first put and paint those they call christendom in bad light to condition the brains for more delusion.

To even deep more about the said delusion,

They want you to believe that "ONLY Jws belongs to Jehovah" this to spite you thinking there's so much love among them, then when you fall a victim, the story change to "Jehovah knows those (among the same ONLY Jws) who belongs to Him"

If only Jws belongs to Jehovah, how can there be any suspicious among people who already belong to Jehovah?

achorladey:
While Jehovah’s witnesses knows who belongs to Jehovah through your GODS of men housed in USA packing lies and manipulations into your stupidity peddling brains

The most ridiculous part of their delusion.

You will see them shouting "Jehovah knows those who belongs to him" yet they turn themselves to the same Jehovah by claiming and try to proof that "Only JWs belong to Jehovah"

Another ridiculous part of their delusion is this "The precious things of the nations are flocking into Jehovah's mountain."

They are FLOCKING which means in MULTITUDE yet their population hasn't grown spontaneously.

Also, if you point out their own little population compare to Christian Body, you will see the same using Jesus statement of "few on the narrow path" as excuse yet they want to be proud about how their population is GROWING.

One will even use a screenshot where someone said "if the whole world had been Jws" OR was it "if everyone on earth has been Jws"

Doesn't that means nobody is actually on the Narrow path and everyone was on the broad path?

achorladey:
The moment you see materials like this in their publications you know they really have issues with Jesus Christ aka Archangel Michael

A Balanced View of Jesus’ Role

Rather than leave christendom alone and make their point. They know they have to plug in the christendom to use as criteria to make what is not genuine genuine and manipulate the heads of their members into thinking christendom is doing the wrong thing.

See how they made themselves liars and manipulators condemning those not to be condemned. From above....

Romans stated.....

For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

God's love in Christ Jesus yet they said.....

Delusion, liars, manipulators and accusers for no reason.

No reasonable person will read the scripture and understand Watchtower doctrines from beginning who won't know that Watchtower was set up against Jesus Christ when everyone knows that Bible is centered on the same Jesus who they are trying to take away from the same Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
So why waste over a week for nothing?

Who put you as judge to know who is wasting time on Nairaland when you yourself have been having restless time here?

MaxInDHouse:
1914!

The year America joined a war that doesn't concern her when Europeans fought themselves which they tagged world war 1 and Watchtower was praying for America to be victorious.

gohf:
You asked MetaAi because like steel you cannot ask nor hear the Holy Spirit, maybe you don't even have the ear to hear 😲 so sorry but why not ask the Holy Spirit given to us and sent to us

Why all this rant?

I thought you already said good bye...

Deal with your frustrated life first before coming online to discuss issue you have no understanding about.

Jozzy4:
Preach and teach UNTIL THE DAY HE WAs taken up to heaven.

Taken UP from them and never to be seen anymore with naked eyes.

Went to heaven on that day. " Until "

before that day he didn't. You this fraud 😂

Fraud calling someone fraud.

English is your big problem, settle that first.

Jozzy4:
There are how many ascension?

"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. "

Jesus died on earth and remain 3 days and night ON EARTH.
Didn't return to Heaven until the day he was taken to heaven.

You this Fraud 😂

The reason why you have been jumping up and down is because you know you already lost the battle as your father the Devil did.

Jesus was obviously talking about His BODY which there's no doubt as He Himself said He will be the one to RAISE THE BODY.

You complicated issue more for yourself as this proved that:

1. Jesus body was the actual one that was BACK TO LIVE SINCE THE BODY WASNIN THE HEART OF THE EARTH.

2. Jesus is fully aware location of the resting body and reason why He can bring it back to life.

3. Spirit of Man is actual separated from man.

Barristter07:
'The son does not know '- Jesus
Provide where Jesus said otherwise ? Until then, you remain a liar

So I never said Jesus lied, it's just your own false accusation.

The liar here is the one who is denying God and His word.

According to scripture:

Jesus knows ALL THINGS

THE HOLY SPIRIT KNOWS THE VERY MIND OF GOD, THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD and the THOUGHT of God.

Only a PERSON can know the THOUGHT of another person.

Janosky:
But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from ancient days.

English rendition of Hebrew screenshot evidence

Jesus "Whose origin (going forth) are from of old, from ancient days"


Nah him Trinitarian mentors insert & chuck in "ETERNITY"
The same Micah 5:2 that Sand2022 TWISTED in his posts.


The same WAILING WAILER abusing & insulting JW's for telling him the Bible truth hoarded by his gods of men 3 deities devotees.
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This olodo didn't even know that Yahweh is Ancient of Days which means ETERNITY and the most astonish part is that the Hebrew word is used in many places for God to denote ETERNITY.

Rest JaNosense you already lost.

Kai your skull is just full of dust

Barristter07:
We can agree there are many people with God's Nature. Proving Trinity is nonsensical

As we can agree that BILLION OF BELIEVERS ARE GOD according to your theory which make your ONE GOD Monotheism a big nonsensical.

Janosky:
How many persons were mentioned in Daniel 4:30?



Emusan dunce !!!

So Nebuchadnezzar never claimed to build the city ALL BY HIMSELF.

Well Yahweh claimed He did create ALL THINGS ALL BY HIMSELF AND ALONE.

ANd the great Yahweh can never lie.

Janosky:
Is the first born of every child you Fathered not a child?

Your Colossians 1:15 evidence highlighted is your albatross.

Oga come over here and be WAILING.

Still couldn't understand ordinary MetaAI how then will he understand human explanation?

JaNosense for a reason

Janosky:
Who is the speaker in verses 22-30 of Proverbs chapter 8?

The Eternal Wisdom of Yahweh.

Now who is the 'HE' that the speaker spoke about doing the actual activities of the creation?

Jozzy4:
Fraud 🤣🤣🤣🤣

There is only one ascension not two.

You couldn't answer my question

Jozzy4:
Boss 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

No proof, just vibes.

Jesus didn't even say I'm yet to ascend Finally to indicate he has ascended before . He said I'm yet to ascend . No finally o, Emusan dey cap nonsense

Yes! "At this particular time" I'm not going to the Father.

Simple English that even a kindergarten will grab quickly.

Luke still said he wasn't taken up until a set day. Emusan say e don go heaven before ascension , Confirm fraud 😂😂🤣

'SET' where did Luke say that.

See the person who is castigating me for using the word FINALLY

Jozzy4:
Olodo 🤣🤣😂😂😂

Stop adding finally, Jesus ascend once.

So was Jesus seen after THAT ASCENSION BY disciples with their NAKED EYES?

Barristter07:
Someone that's bold enough to say Jesus was lying at Matthew 24:36 won't care to add more lies to protect himself. He now needs more lies to protect his other lies.

Where did I say Jesus lied?

Provide your evidence!

Barristter07:
Proof no dey ?

O ma se o

Olodo...

You want me to proof to you EXPLANATION of a verse.

Did I say I'm QUOTING the verse with FINALLY? see the person I'm waisting time with here

O ma se oooo

Barristter07:
Who get God wey e dey worship no be God Almighty.

That is not the definition of PARTAKE according to you.

Definition is general.

You already agreed that THE HAVE EXACTLY THE DIVINE NATURE which means THEY MUST HAVE WHAT MAKE GOD TO BE GOD.

You know you have already shot yourself in the leg that is why you want to bring another diversion.

But to deny they exist in that same Divine Nature. It doesn't fly, Jesus partaking flesh and blood make him exist as one. [/i]

That is what I'm saying, Jesus partakes and that make Jesus human, so they partake also make them GOD here very ALMIGHTY GOD!

Barristter07:
Show it now.

Look very well!

Jozzy4:
Someone that didn't even respond or bother to correct when he was called all sort of things during trial. 🤣🤣🤣Silence doesn't mean admittance

That was during HIS TRIAL not what he was TEACHING!

Provide where Jesus state it himself that he knows all things?

I've done that many times.

After all we know he already refute it with his own mouth at Matt 24:36

Know it happened after resurrection

The scripture confirms that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

So pathetic of you people as you're trying to spin this obvious fact.