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Jozzy4:
That's not Jesus .
You don't have proof ?

Smile....

But Jesus was there!

Now, the scripture is lying

Had it been the statement was like 'Lord I know you are a liar!"

Do you think Jesus will reply with “Do you now believe?" Or "Feed my sheep."

Or Jesus will quickly correct their understanding?

Jozzy4:
" In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.

He was taken up to heaven on a single day , not days , not two days. Mr first ascension and final ascension Lie lie 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Smile....

Poor understand, he was taken up FINALLY which means He was not going to be SEEN AGAIN.

Jozzy4:
Provide where Jesus said he knows all things.

John 16:30, John 21:17

Jozzy4:
😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Did Jesus lied when he said he doesn't know at Matthew 24:36?

I've answered many times.

Did the scripture lie that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS?

Barristter07:
Also correct, doesn't change the Fact that we know all things.

Since it's correct then we don't know ALL THINGS.

We only have the KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH.

So who is Jesus

- The spirit that doesn't die

- The Body in the Tomb

Over this years you can still ask this senseless question.

Both make up one BEING.

' I have not yet to ascend to my God '

This will be a lie if he went to God at death.

Yet meaning

" Up until the present "

Yet also means "AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME"

So cut the crab!

Barristter07:
Partook is to exist as that.

No! Is to SHARE and to share doesn't mean YOU HAVE IT ALL.

Since you want to equate trinity to mean everyone having same nature and essence is Almighty, it's wrong, because everyone having that essence are many.

Scripture is very cleared, they will SHARE in that Divine Nature

About Jesus, Jesus EXISTS IN THAT VERY NATURE.

So, they are of two different coin side.

To have God's Nature means YOU HAVE WHAT MAKE GOD TO BE GOD.

I didn't equate anyone to God Almighty because they exist in his nature. As long as they worship him as their God, they are inferior.

You already EQUATE ALL THOSE WHO WILL PARTAKE IN THE DIVINE NATURE with God ALMIGHTY when you said "The same way anyone that partake as Divine Nature EXIST EXACTLY as that Divine Nature."

To EXIST EXACTLY AS THAT DIVINE NATURE means TO HAVE THE VERY NATURE THAT MAKS GOD TO BE GOD.

Did Jesus worship any human? That would make him inferior to the human. Irrespective of their having same nature.

Nature is not about WORSHIP.

That some people worship some persons today doesn't mean BY NATURE they are INFERIOR to that person.

We are HUMAN because WE HAVE THE SAME NATURE.

Stop this kindergarten behavior jare....

Barristter07:
The Scripture also says We know All things.

No! Your NWT used "have the knowledge"

Was it correct or wrong?

Spirit cannot die.

So if Jesus truly died For three days, it means human spirit is not a person. Unless you mean he didn't die.

The BODY DIED the human spirit is a person and spirit don't died.

English hard you?

You lack basis of it.

I am yet to ascend to my Father and your Father , to my God and your God.

He has never ascended to God until that point .

Very simple statement is what you're struggling with at this your age.

I'm still around you can still see me, so don't stay here for a long time for NOW!

How is this so difficult for you to understand?

Barristter07:
Jesus said he doesn't know. It doesn't matter what anyone else think. Nevertheless that same Greek word was applied to us at 1John 2... This means we know all things too.

I will go with the scripture not you.

The scripture says Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS.

I've already addressed that with the other guy.

Now, you want to hide under Greek word.

Your translation was wrong to has said "they have the knowledge"

So Jesus didn't die na his body that died? U go put yourself for more trouble o

Is it not body that DIED

I'm yet to ascend means simply he is yet to go to God. Nothing like first ascension or second ascension.

Yes! Go to God without being seeing with naked eyes again.

Very simple.

Barristter07:
He is not inferior because he didn't worship any human as his God. He exist exactly as the same flesh and blood he partakes. The same way anyone that partake as Divine Nature exist exactly as that Divine Nature.

@color-1: You want to be clever by half but I won't give room for that.

@color-2: Good, which is what I want to hear.

@color-3: This is where you finally buried it.

To have EXACTLY THE SAME DIVINE NATURE MEANS THEY ARE GOD ALMIGHTY AS WELL just as Jesus was not INFERIOR AS HUMAN.

One thing clear in all this your dubious hide and seek statement is that you know what it means when the scripture says THEY PARTOOK in Divine Nature just what it means when Jesus partakes as blood and flesh but you decided to be perambulating

Barristter07:
The question should be when Jesus partake in Flesh and blood, did he exist in that same flesh and blood ?

YOU DONT USE QUESTION TO ANSWER QUESTION.

Answer my question first.

That should tell you exactly the point of what you partake you become. Yes they become God's!

Do they have a God ?

No! Answer the question first!

Was Jesus inferior to other human when he partakes as blood and flesh?

I've told you, you already put galow in your own neck

Barristter07:
Partakers exist in that same nature. So you don't have point


Yes they are all GODS!
I didn't place the limit, Scripture did.
Every created being existing in God's nature Have a God they worshipped. Emphasis on " Have a God " .

Very nonsense.

No creature exists in GOD'S VERY NATURE.

To exist in VERY OWN GOD NATURE, it means you HAVE ALL WHAT IT TAKE TO BE GOD.

No where scripture placed the limit you did.

Did you believe that when Jesus partakes in flesh and blood, Jesus was INFERIOR TO OTHER HUMAN?

Jozzy4:
You admitted its Jesus that lied ?

Provide where I said so.

When fact are presented to you people you change mouth.

Even when you called your brother did you see him saying anything?

The fact is, 1 Pet 2:14 was not about believers KNOW ALL THINGS as having the ability of OMNISCIENCE as related to God.
But about Jesus it's about KNOWING ALL THINGS which is OMNISCIENCE.

Barristter07:
Both are from imperfect apostles. The Perfect one has spoken at Matthew 24:36

And Jesus couldn't correct them as He always did, it's you who knows more than Jesus that decided to call it IMPERFECT

Meanwhile, Peter's statement that Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS in John 21 was after Jesus' resurrection which means it happened after Math 24:36

I am yet to ascend to my God.

E never go to God oooo,

Yes! Which means I'm still around, you will still see me because if I ascend to God you won't see me with your physical eyes anymore.

This has nothing to do with what happened at death as Mary was not there.

Very simple logic.

So, come with another lie.

Both Human spirit and Holy spirit are person.

They have the ability to KNOW, have mind.

Barristter07:
"ye are GODS "

Whatever you partake you become. Yes they are God's, but they have a God. Still inferior, the same way Jesus himself have a God despite having the same Divine Nature.

If you have a God, you are not Almighty.

The key point is @ color "Whatever you partake you BECOME" and you wrapped it up with "Yes they are God's"

I like that.

Now the implication of that is, they THEY BECOME GOD which means they have ALL THE ATTRIBUTES THAT MAKE GOD - To be GOD.

But being clever by half as you know the implication, you decided to LIMIT it that they are INFERIOR.

Based on your illustration of human in Heb 2:14 no human is inferior to ANOTHER HUMAN based on our NATURE as Jesus PARTOOK in flesh and blood you won't agree that Jesus is INFERIOR to other human.

You see why your logic and claim is whacked.

Also, the scripture didn't say Jesus PARTAKES in the Divine Nature rather the scripture says JESUS EXISTS IN THAT VERY NATURE which means whatever nature that makes God to be God is what Jesus exists in.

If anything exists in human nature it means that being have ALL WHAT MAKE HUMAN TO BE HUMAN.

IN Nature nothing like inferior or superior.

Barristter07:


Yeye dey smell..

Abeg I don tire to laugh.

Go cut Matthew 24:36 out of your bible.

Smile.....

You be be the one to remove both John 16:30 and John 21:17 from your Bible

Wetin be this ? @bold



Initial ascending and final ascending, at least if he don ascend to God by virtue of his spirit e no suppose dey lie again say he is yet to ascend na.

Mary was not there at the first ascending when he died.

Jesus just doesn't want Mary to stay long with him in that place.

Meaning you'll still see me I'm not leaving you forever for NOW.

Very simple understanding.

Barristter07:
Exactly the implication of such barbaric idea like Godship by Nature. They are all God Almighty

You are the one who know where you get GODSHIP BY NATURE from.

The fact, that Jesus HAS THE VERY NATURE OF GOD and we know what that means.

Unfortunately for you, I don't ascribe Godship by virtue of Nature.

It's not about what you subscribe to but YOUR INTERPRETATION OF PARTAKE with this you have put galow in your own neck.

To PARTAKE means THE BE VERY THING YOU PARTAKE since believers will be PARTAKER OF GOD'S NATURE means they will be GOD as well.

This is your own interpretation not what you're trying to disprove.

If I ask you, what does it mean to BE A PARTAKER?

Barristter07:
Jesus already dismiss it at Matthew 24:36 , unless we agree Jesus is lying anyway . you are not smart

Liar!

Which dismissed.

Anything Jesus doesn't know, nobody else can know. Which renders holy spirit knowing mind of God as a force from God. This Fact stands as long as Matthew 24:36 is Truth

Force can't KNOWS someone's THOUGHT
How dull are you?

Spirit of man isn't a person that return to God in heaven when a man dies.

The spirit of Man is a person.

Father into your hands I commit my spirit.

Several days later , the same Jesus said ' I have not yet ascended to my God and Father '

So didn't his spirit ascend to heaven? That is why my use of figurative is valid.

Your FIGURATIVE is the nonsense you packed into your head.

Jesus message to Mary is about FINAL ascending.

Proving spirit of man isn't a person, it's a Force that was given the ability to know. Same as holy spirit.

Spirit of man is a PERSON.

no inanimate object can KNOW someone's THOUGHT.

Barristter07:
Yeah. Since Godship is by Nature according to your logic.

So WE BOTH AGREED.

Cancel trinity and we should have something like Thousandnity or Millionity. Since there are many with God's Nature

Rather canceled ONE GOD.

since TO PARTAKE MAKES YOU WHAT YPU PARTAKE which is your OWN WORD.

Barristter07:
You are exactly what you partake. Simple!

Anyone that share the divine nature is God's nature. Anyone that share flesh and blood is flesh and blood.

If that is the case, you agreed that the believers will be GOD ALMIGHTY.

I'm loving this

Jozzy4:
A good bible translation could use their judgement in certain matters, it doesn't change the Fact that the Greek word that appeared at 1John 2:20 means all things. Like someone said that it's sad to watch you cling desperately to apostles utterance when Christ already specified he doesn't know certain things. The same way NWT and other translation use their judgement, is the same way you ought to use your judgement to know the apostles statement is made in error since Jesus confirmed there are things the Son doesn't know. If the apostles statement is Correct, Jesus is a liar at Matthew 24:36

Now, he is changing mouth

The point is clear no further going around.

Using style to call the Apostles LIAR when that statement was made in THE PRESENCE OF JESUS HIMSELF.

Barristter07:
Partakers makes you what you partake.
Partakers of flesh and blood are Flesh and blood , yes?
The point is clear,

So, you agreed that they will BE GOD.

That's nice!

Barristter07:
But trinitarians can use terms like " Fully human" for Jesus , until this evening .

Nothing like FULLY HUMAN

Understanding is the key.

Barristter07:
it's sad at the point you find yourself , clutching to the words of imperfect apostles who often make mistakes against the Fact expressed by Jesus himself that he doesn't know. It's sad to witness, really sad.

Can you imagine this liar!

That statement was made IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS Christ

If there was an ERROR Jesus would have corrected them

Matthew 24:36 is the Fact. Jesus doesn't know the day and hour , right from his own mouth.

No other person can know.

See the way he wants to dismiss the Apostles TESTIMONY IN THE PRESENCE OF JESUS HIMSELF, this shows you're a very dishonest person.

And regarding the personification, man's spirit was personified in the same manner, we know it's not a person.

You're the one who made it PERSONIFIED for your dubious reasons.

Only a PERSON KNOWS THE THOUGHT OF ANOTHER PERSON.

No inanimate object can.

Man's spirit is his breath which return figuratively to God at death. Because if it were literal person, it means everybody goes to heaven since God is in heaven.

I will take you serious if you can provide where Scripture used FIGURATIVE.

Remove FIGURATIVE from your head and see the clear picture.

And it would mean Jesus himself return to heaven the same day he died. Which isn't true.

No inanimate object can KNOW someone's THOUGHT

prove that wrong first before you begin your diversion.

Barristter07:
Partakers of flesh and blood are Flesh and blood, Yes ?

You can see you don't make any sense

I've already explained the verse, stop going back in circle!

Nothing like HALF OR FULL HUMAN!

Barristter07:
The bold is invalid. Once again a reference to

Very VALID!

"Therefore, since the children have partaken of blood and of flesh" Heb 2:14


Partakers of flesh and blood ARE Exactly Flesh and Blood. Partakers of Divine nature are exactly Gods Nature.

No! That made them TO BE WHO GOD IS.

They SHARED OR PARTAKE.
But in the case of Jesus IT WAS FULL DEITY which is even when He was on earth because He is already God the Creator.

Very simple! English.

Barristter07:
@highlighted, Using Jesus statement - The Son doesn't know the day and hour. Matt 24:36

I'm reference you people's hypocrisy.

Jesus is ONE with the Father in action and THOUGHT.

That's the simple truth. And the implication of this is that nobody else could know.

No! Jesus knows ALL THINGS.

That is the fact.

Which automatically render the holy spirit is a person invalid.

Not when the scripture FULLY supported Holy spirit to be a person.

You think your philosophy can just overwrite God's word

Since no one else could know what the son doesn't know.

The Son KNOWS ALL THINGS

The Holy spirit not only KNOWS THE DEEP THINGS ABOUT GOD BUT ALSO KNOWSNTHE VERY THOUGHT OF GOD.

Only a person with conscious MIND can knows someone's THOUGHT.

Rather it's a Force from the Father been personified the exact same way a man's spirit is personified

You have been looking for that word PERSONIFIED since which didn't sell

A FORCE CAN'T know THE THOUGHT OF another person.

Holy Spirit have MIND, He is conscious!

Jozzy4:
"Concerning "

Now that Concerning has join the league, concerning the day and hour, did the Son know ? Noooooooo!

Which means no other person can know!!!!

Smile....

You people are just too dull for scriptural knowledge.

Let me use your own NWT to explain to you maybe it will sink this time.

Here is how your NWT put John 16:30 "Now we know that you KNOW ALL THINGS+ and you do not need to have anyone question you.+ By this we believe that you came out from God.”

The plus sign is a reference to John 21:17 where Peter used the same ALL THINGS for Jesus Christ about KNOWING.

But let's see how your NWT translates 1 John 2:20 "And YOU have an anointing* from the holy one;+ all of YOU have knowledge."

If you check other translations some use:
"know the truth"

"all of you understand"

"you all have knowledge"

But compare this to Jesus Christ and see that they all translate it as ALL THINGS OR EVERYTHING

Do you agree with NWT that the followers only HAVE KNOWLEDGE?

Spirit/breath of man is a force yet it was said to know the thoughts of a man. No difference here.

cc: Barristter07

No! Man's spirit is a PERSON too that is why the word 'KNOW' was used, inanimate object can't KNOW YOUR THOUGHT.

So, God's Holy Spirit is also a PERSON.

Just agree that inanimate things knows the THOUGHT of your god

gohf:
Mal.3.1 "Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. Then the Lord you are seeking will suddenly come to his Temple. The messenger of the covenant, whom you look for so eagerly, is surely coming," says the LORD Almighty.


The Lord mentioned here is Adonai, different from LORD which is Yehovah (or to some Yahweh)

Since the Lord Jesus is the messenger do you now not understand

Isa.40.3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness: "Prepare the way of the LORD; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.

Jesus came to show the way and be the way, no one comes to the father except through him

The most critical part is what you left and address another thing.

Look @color parts, that is what you are missing.

Mal 3:1 ...prepare the was BEFORE ME....
Isa 40:3 ....making the dessert highway for OUR GOD...

John the Baptist fulfilled the part of preparing the WAY while Jesus is the one who fulfilled BEFORE ME AND OUR GOD.

Do you now understand?

Read your WHOLE bible, ask the Holy Spirit if you must. God the Father is indeed coming, coming to judge the world, read your Book of Revelation.

You're a liar!

John 5:22 "Furthermore, the Father does not judge[ao] anyone, but has assigned[ap] all judgment to the Son"

Stop lying against God, His word and the Holy spirit.

Yahweh of the Old Testament promised to COME either God lied or He has come.

you are beginning to sound like you're hardening your heart and just plainly refusing to. You accuse me of contradictions whereas what I have written lacks any form of contradiction. Being mighty doesn't make you almighty. Were there no mighty men, why have you limited your sight and perceived things like those who are blind

Who are you to decide who hardened his/her heart?

So, when the same Isa called God MIGHTY GOD SHOWS God might not be 'Almighty' or God later became Almighty at a point.

Yes! You're contradicting yourself.

If Jesus is called MIGHTY GOD and Old Testament also called God MIGHTY GOD it means there are TWO MIGHTY GODS.

You ignore everything Jesus said then claim you wrote what he said?

Where did I make this claim?

Jesus never called himself the Father, it is you who lies against him that does so.

And who said Jesus called Himself the Father?

If you can lie against him then you can lie that I said I know him fully when I said he is not hidden from us, and has been revealed to us.

Where did I lie against Jesus?

Secondly, I can't remember where I said you know Jesus FULLY.

I only said if your CLAIMED YOU KNOW HIM FULLY then it means you're the Father because according to Jesus Himself, you can't know Him fully except the Father.

First accusing me then agreeing with me shows you lack the patience to read and study the whole context of a message so as to understand what is being said.

Show me where I accused you.

THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE I QUOTED WRONGLY but whereas for you who claims to see, your blindness remains

So it's me that is quoting scripture WRONGLY right

Whenever you see them making this type of claim it's evident they know their own interpretation don get K-leg.

Barristter07:
He said he doesn't, neither do you and I

But Jesus KNOWS ALL THINGS and Him and the Father ARE ONE.

Here in other to use Jesus statement 'I and my Father are One'

People like interpret that to mean Jesus and His Father are one both in THOUGHT AND ACTION.

@ 1John 2:20 we are said to know all things, does that mean we know the day and hour ? No. Jesus statement at Matthew 24:36 clarifies that Nobody knows the day and hour except the Father.

Yes! We know ALL THINGS concerning the TRUTH of the Gospel which is what the verse is addressing

This person knows the Father much more than Jesus who doesn't know ? Is Matthew 11:27 a joke to you : Nobody can know what Jesus doesn't know. So if the holy spirit is said to have access to thoughts that Jesus doesn't have , clearly a force from the Father is being personified. It CANNOT BE A PERSON, as No Person could have such access which Jesus doesn't.

The Holy Holy Spirit is a person and Know the very THOUGHT OF GOD.

To think inanimate things KNOWS the THOUGHT of your god is the greatest inappropriate statement about God, well The Great Yahweh can't be so low that inanimate things will KNOW his THOUGHT

Barristter07:
Partakers are FULLY GOD'S NATURE Too, I think it's high time you start adding all of them partakers of Gods divine nature, perhaps we might arrive at Millionity doctrine. obviously Trinity is wrong

You can't change the meaning of a word just for saying say.

PARTAKER can never be FULLY that is why some translation even used SHARED.

Trinity is a well scriptural concept, that is why your father the Devil has been fighting it since the death of the Apostles and failed.

"Therefore, since the children have partaken of blood and of flesh" Heb 2:14

Partake: Are we Half humans or Fully Humans ? Yes or No.

Nothing like half or full human.

Barristter07:
'The son doesn't know the day and hour , only the Father ' - Matthew 24:36

But the Son knows ALL THINGS

No other person can know what Jesus doesn't know.

The Holy Spirit know the very MIND OF GOD even the DEEP THINGS

And the greatest surprises, The Holy spirit knows THE THOUGHT OF GOD.

Do you understand what it means to know someone's THOUGHT?

Barristter07:
To partake of something is to be FULLY that thing. Heb 2:14 speak of you and I as partakers of humanity. Are we half human?

Smile....

No! The verse is talking about the Son be a partaker of flesh and blood yet still remains Divine.

So, to partake is not in FULL. STOP THE LIE.

The word translated as PARTAKER IN 2 PET 1:4 was used several times in fact it was used when the believers were said to be PARTAKER OF Christ suffering.

I don't know any believer who was tortured or crown with Thorn or nailed to the cross with Christ.

So if Nature is the basis on which you lots describe who is God, it means all the partakers of Divine nature are FULLY GOD TOO

Yes Nature is the basis because NO ONE I REPEAT NO ONE HAS THE NATURE OF GOD, TO DO SO MEANS THE PERSON IS ALSO GOD.

No! They are PARTAKER or SHARER as some version put it, the word used for Christ is 'ALL THE FULLNESS OF DEITY' spot the difference.