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MaxInDHouse:
The first African Bishop is Samuel Àjàyí Crowder and he translated the first ever Yorùbá Bible from the common KJV of his time!

Meaning...

Aemmyjah:
I did not talk about their writings - it's not all they wrote that is even in the scriptures
All scriptures is inspired

You're the one who made this statement and you're the same who made the below statement.

How does this make any sense to?

Lemme make you understand better since your understanding of English is low

When you supposed to enroll in Basic English class first.

Was Moses inspired of the scriptures he wrote?
Was Solomon, Luke, Joshua, Mordecai( who is most likely writer of Esther), were they all inspired or the scriptures they wrote?

You already agreed that "ALL SCRIPTURES IS (are) inspired"

So, what is the essence of this list?

Is the GB writing any part of the Bible today?

Yes! The GB rewrote many part of the Bible today which you have in your hand as NWT.

Did they claim to be inspired

I've provided different writings including that TC Russell claiming to be their publications has no HUMAN SOURCE and DIRECTED BY HOLY SPIRIT.

What does it mean to be DIRECTED by God's Holy Spirit?

What is the meaning of being INSPIRED!

You know you can't answer any of this questions reason why you're turning your blind eyes to them.

Wait sef,
Is Cyrus and Darius also inspired by Holy Spirit

Why the question?

Aemmyjah:
Where has the GB said any translation or the GB itself is inspired of Holy Spirit?

I just showed you above.

What does it mean to be INSPIRED?

Were the GB of the First century inspired by God spirit or they were directed?

There's nothing like GB of the first century.

The Apostles were INSPIRED and their writings contain no error.

Did they make mistakes and change of understanding of scriptural context?

No!

Are you saying Bible which is the work done under their INSPIRATION contains error?

Aemmyjah:
Where did the GB say they are inspired?

Either you will change the meaning of INSPIRED or turn a blind eyes to this.

Let's start from TC Russell himself.

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

Do you agree with this or not?

"Today, Jehovah guides his people by means of the Bible, his holy spirit, and the congregation. (Acts 9:31; 15:28; 2 Tim. 3:16, 17) The guidance that we receive from him is so clear that it is as if ‘our own ears hear a word behind us saying: “This is the way. Walk in it.”’ (Isa. 30:21) In effect, Jesus also conveys Jehovah’s voice to us as he directs the congregation through “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matt. 24:45) We need to take this guidance and direction seriously, for our everlasting life depends on our obedience." Watchtower 2014 Aug 15 p.21

"The holy spirit is the active force of the living God, which he sends out through his Son, Christ Jesus, and which operates toward Jehovah's people, enlightening and directing his theocratic organization on the earth today as it did in the days of the apostles." Watchtower 1959 Apr 1 p.219

Let me stop here!

The lie sold to you which make you asked that question can be summarised this way:

By Definition
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired

The Bible
Directed by Holy Spirit = Inspired
Infallible (no errors)

Watchtower
Directed by Holy Spirit != Inspired
Fallible (contains errors)

Janosky:
Ismael and Christ doesn't have something in common?

Is Matthew 5:20 in your Bible?

Emusan dunce for life!

The JaNosense doesn't have the gut to answer the simple question.

Are you a Christian?

At least you said your deluded brother is right, so tell me if you're a Christian.

Janosky:
In the screenshots of Colossians 1:1, did your Trinitarian translations inserted "From" (not in the Greek manuscripts) into that verse?

Emusan dunce , the LYING miscreant



Emusan dunce, the LYING miscreant deceiving himself.
@ Colossians 1:1 did your Trinitarian translations inserted "from ", (not in the Greek manuscripts) in brackets?
@ Colossians 1:1, did your Trinitarian translations inserted "the" (not in the Greek manuscripts) in brackets?

By your MUMU logic & IBERIBEISM, your Trinitarian translations (in screenshots) are "FRAUD & demonic."

Brackets dey for Greek manuscripts?
Dunce for life!

@ Colossians 1:15 did your Trinitarian translations inserted "OVER" into that verse in brackets (not in Greek manuscripts) ?

Emusan dunce, why do your demonic Trinitarian translations have to INSERT none existing word ("OVER" ) in manuscripts to change the meaning of Col 1:16-18?

Emusan dunce,Show me from any of your cherry pick source including Diaglott if the word "OVER" appears in Col 1:16-18.


Bury your dead head in the sand.
Emusan dunce, the LYING miscreant.

Good this is what we're talking about.

Since, you know this, then KJV is right to have inserted the Word 'God' in 1 Tim 3:16

I know you don't have sense...but I'm waiting for you dull head.

achorladey:
Janosky will cite reference that will confirm his werey peddling brains filled with lies and manipulations.

Just like I told FxMasterz, you can see him defending the fraudulent insertion of Watchtower but won't hesitate to call KJV fraud for the same thing Watchtower did.

Janosky:
1st Point:
Did you see the sentences enclosed in brackets @ Daniel 12:4 & every chapter in Amplified Bible?

I saw it

Did NWT enclosed the word "OTHER" in a bracket?

2nd point:
How many times did your Trinitarian Amplified Bible inserted words/sentences in brackets in
Colossians 1:16-23?

The words were inserted in a BRACKET.

Why didn't NWT did the same?

This shows you know NWT fraudulently inserted the word as part of the scripture.

you no see 'first born' @ Colossians 1:15?

I'm not blind like you.

So how does this connect NWT fraudulent insertion in the rest of the Col 1:16-18?

You no see Hebrew 1:2?
@ Hebrew 1:2 & 1 Corinthians 8:6, did Paul teach you that Christ created ALL things?

Yes! Paul teaches that Christ created ALL THING

Reason why your demonic organisation have to INSERTED none existing word in manuscripts to change the meaning of Col 1:16-18.

Show me from any of your cherry pick source including Diaglott if the word "OTHER" appears in Col 1:16-18

In their bid to cling to Colossians 1:16 , Emusan & him crew members would go the extra mile to discredit Hebrew 1:2 & 1 Corinthians 8:6.
Whereas,Paul is saying the same message in the 3 verses.

You shouldn't have come with this because it surely exposed your lying mouth and that of your organisation.

This is Heb 1:2 from your perverted translation and show me where the word "OTHER" was used in btw ALL THINGS

Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son,+ whom he appointed heir of all things,+ and through whom he made the systems of things.

Also, this is 1 Corin 8:6: "there is actually to us one God,+ the Father,+ from whom all things are and we for him;+ and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are+ and we through him."

You can see that the two verses supported our claim that NWT perverted Col 1:16-18.

The funny thing is the (+) sign in front of are was a reference to Col 1:16-18.

Bury your dead head in the sand.

Janosky:
Your fellow Trinitarians worshipping your 3 deities said your practice is bastardized.

You said boldly that it is the PRACTICE that was BASTARDIZED not the NAME CHRISTIAN as your deluded brother claimed.

That is why the spirit of your deity is sold to you in a bottle.

While yours is sold to you in a pamphlet

That statement is very correct,no be today your fellow Trinitarians knew it.

Here is the statement again: "If anyone thinks he BELONGS TO CHRIST under the CURSED AND BASTARDIZED old group name(Christian) should think twice"

Since you agreed that the statement is true

Are you a Christian?

FxMasterz:
Even when his Satanist masters clearly started that they've been forcing errors on their followers without apology.

Judge: Do you know of any religion in the world that have been dishing out untruth unto its members and forcing them on the pain of spiritual death to accept that untruth? (Paraphrased)

JW: No, we do not know of any religion that does that. We're the only ones. (Paraphrased)

Maxindhouse, Janosky, Aemmyjah, Michael547, Cornelboy, is this the religion you're following?

You can see he has opened a thread, to talk about how True Christian shouldn't carry weapons.

But this is the same person who said boldly that "The name Christian is CURSED and BASTARDIZED" and "whosoever thinks he belongs to Christ under the CURSED and BASTARDISED old group name today should think twice"

Also, that God gave them the name Christian but as the name is now cursed and bastardized, they (jws) have left the name for us as Jehovah gave them a new name.

Then, we can ask, who are the TRUE CHRISTIAN who shouldn't carry weapons?

Are you now claim that YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN?

So, you should know like the organisation like the followers.

See screenshot below

FxMasterz:
According to Satanist Janosky and this jw cult.

You should have asked him who produced the Emphatic Diaglott?

Is the person a true Christian?

Janosky:
But ,
ALL your life you have been WAILING & throwing tantrums upandan about JW's on Nairaland.

OZUO wey Emumu

While all your life you have been striking the similarity between your Jws and the Christendom.

Yet your dull brain still believes YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE TRUE RELIGION

Janosky:

"JW's have made mistakes many times & we have had to correct ourselves "
SAINT FX Masterz WAILING WAILER on Nairaland,is that statement very visible in your screenshots?

Go and query your Christendom gods of men whose prophecies & numerous revelations received in 1979 from your own 3 deities has proven FALSE today.

Hypocrisy Kee you there.

Which means there's no difference between Jws and the Christendom bah?

JaNosense

achorladey:
As promised. This is for Emusan

There are religious systems that are totalitarian in their rule. History shows one of the oldest of these to be the Roman Catholic religious system. By its spokesmen the claim is made that the salvation of all mankind rests upon the obedience of everybody to the pope at Vatican City. Because it considers itself to be the only agency for human salvation, that religious system has undertaken the program of world conquest. …Where these totalitarian religionists are in the majority this use of force has resulted in the practice of intolerance; but where they are in the minority they call for toleration
and plead for it and demand it. Just as soon as they get the upper hand, then they abuse their power and position and they themselves practice intolerance and all other methods to take away religious liberty from others. …The totalitarian system, therefore, has to be enforced by compulsion and is at war with all democratic individuality...........The Watchtower announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom, April 1, 1956, page 196


Please compare this and see whether there is any difference.

No matter where we may live on earth, God’s Word continues to serve as a light to our path and a lamp to our roadway as to our conduct and beliefs. (Ps. 119:105) But Jehovah God has also provided his visible organization, his "faithful and discreet slave", made up of spirit-anointed ones, to help Christians in all nations to understand and apply properly the Bible in their lives. Unless we are in touch with this channel of communication that God is using, we will not progress along the road to life, no matter how much Bible reading we do." Watchtower 1981 Dec 1 p.27


cc: FxMasterz, Courz, Oteneaaron

Hypocrisy at its peak!

achorladey:
Their adherents here don't know the high level politics their religious leaders play with their lives. Norway wants to take away their fee money and other privilege, they started to run helter-skelter to introduce reforms they don't care about the lives and families torned apart while those policies were in effect. They are interested in their image and free access to Satan's agent money

Just as it was in the days of Malawi so also in the day of Norway.

Watchtower only applies the silent meaning of the country's name No way, this free money and government benefits will pass us by

achorladey:
The words in bold is where they are the most dangerous and manipulating with their lies and deceit.

One of the reason I do say they don't practice what they preach

Very manipulating.

You set a rule and you released the rule will go against you then you turn around set the rule aside.

Just like the way politicians do in Nigeria

FxMasterz:
KJV themselves confessed in all honesty that they have errors. That's not news to anyone. Meanwhile your NWT translators want us to believe that their translation is the most accurate, so much so that they gave it to you as your only reliable Bible. They never confessed their errors like KJV. Can you see that they're dishonest?

This part right here is summary of it all.

Once you can decode their hypocrisy, the rest is easy.

He agreed that what other people says about KJV but will he agree with the same people on NWT? That's the question they'll never answer.

The other one will tell you how KJV is a fraud for inserting the word "God" to 1 Tim 3:16 because it's not found in any manuscripts but ask him if Watchtower is also fraud for inserting the word "OTHER" in Col 1:16-18, as the word was never found in any manuscripts, the tune will change and trying to justify why Watchtower has the right to insert it.

FxMasterz:
Liar janosky has come again. Let me school you on the bolded above.

In the original Greek texts of the New Testament, there was no distinction between upper-case and lower-case letters. The Greek manuscripts were written in what is known as "uncial" script, which used only capital letters (majuscules) and did not differentiate between capitalizing or not capitalizing words like "God" (Θεός)

This means that the practice of capitalizing "God" or pronouns referring to God in modern translations is a later development for the sake of clarity and reverence in English typography, rather than a feature of the original texts. Early Greek manuscripts did not include spaces, punctuation, or capitalization distinctions.

Therefore, the original Greek Bible did not use a capital "G" for God because it used a uniform script without capitalization distinctions.

Your argument for translating John 10:33 as 'a god' shows the falsehood in your translation. If John 10:33, means 'a god', then everywhere God was mentioned in the Bible should be translated 'a god' since the same form of capitalization is used in all such cases.

This is another proof that your book is heavily manipulated. Translated by ignorant and mischievous men.

You even have time to reply that one!

The fact that, none of the translators involved in their NWT have in depth knowledge of Hebrew and Greek says a lot.

And the most ridiculous part is how they include the FOUR TETRAGRAMMATON in the New Testament when the name does not appear in any known manuscripts in possession today is evidence in itself that alot of manipulation was done in their translation.

Remember, by including the FOUR TETRAGRAMMATON watchtower defined their own rules and the funny aspect is that they still go AGAINST THEIR OWN RULE, without that Jesus being Jehovah would've been proven by themselves.

ccjoe:
Thank you so much@ Courz, FxMasterz, achorladey and Emusan for the good work you are doing. Nice thread uved got here @ Courz. I think any group who emphasizes more on thier organization rather than a living personal relationship with our lord Jesus is making a big mistake. They claim to know God, and yet in works they deny him to the point of manipulating scriptures-that's demonic (titus 1:16). Those saying that God wouldn't endorse war between nations of God's people should read through., judges 20: 12-48. In verse 23 in particular it reads '... And the children of israel went up and wept before the LORD until even, and asked counsel of the LORD, saying, shall i go up again to battle against the children of benjamin my brother? And the LORD said, go up against him.'

They will soon say this moniker belongs to....

Aemmyjah:
As you old reach with children
You cannot even comprehend simple comments cos I differentiated between different translations and different religions

Old man like you without sense


Emusan my child, mention one true Bible translation

Anyone who lacks proper upbringing is the one behaving like this.

Nothing like TRUE Bible Translation.

We can only have ACCURATE TRANSLATION

O ma ṣe oooo

Aemmyjah:
You're free to decide what makes sense to you or what doesn't make sense

If your point or question make any sense, it will be addressed.

Old man
There's thousands of Bible translations

Now, you just used the right WORD "Bible TRANSLATION"

You see the reason I said your question doesn't make sense then?

Is the KJV which is the most authoritative and popular Bible the true translation?

KJV is not the True Translation of the Bible even though some consider the work okay.

You cannot answer

I've answered

Which one is true and on what basis? You cannot answer

You're still being deceived by which one is TRUE

For goodness sake, it's a translation. How can you ask if TRANSLATION IS TRUE.

YOU CAN ONLY ASK IF THEY ARE ACCURATE.

O MA ṢE OOOO

There's thousands of religion
Mention your own if it is true and I'll consider joining, you cannot mention

Bunch of envious people

From Translation to THOUSANDS OF RELIGION

So, KJV is a religion to you.

Aemmyjah:
What are you using to judge our books then?
Ur malicious envy

The image below is the preface of the Revised standard version
It acknowledges that the KJV is marred with errors and mistakes yet it follows the KJV tradition, like many other translations to remove God's name and replace with Lord even where the manuscripts had the DIVINE NAME there.

Now you agree with RSV about their stand on KJV, will you agree with them on NWT?

KJV even though used the name Jehovah in some places, still shows they KNOW about the name and the name can't be lost. Which means Watchtower isn't the one who RESTORED THE NAME.

Did the translators not also have a knowledge of Greek, Hebrew n Latin?

They did and the reason why many translators didn't include the name are:

1. They follow the tradition of the Jews of not pronouncing the name and used Lord in place wherever the name is used.
2. The pronunciation of the name has lost even though an attempt has been made to restore its pronunciation which can't still be term original.
3. Base on the NT manuscripts in possession today, no single place where the name was used by any New Testament writers.

Who gave them the authority that the use of God's name is no longer appropriate?

This has happened even before Jesus was born and during the time of Jesus.

Yet Jesus didn't do anything about it.

So why do you want to blame English translators for what even Jesus didn't correct Himself?

They'd have lost millions of it was some other books yet we restored it to where they belong and you call it manipulative

Your selective restore.

Why did Watchtower not used the name in some places where the NT writers quoted the OT where the name appears?

Why did NWT include the name in the New Testament when it was never used by NT writers?

Meanwhile, are you not the one who said KJV used it in some places?

Aemmyjah:
If you cannot answer that simple question
Then you have no authority to question or say anything about the NWT which is easy t to understand and free
Continue to peddle other Bibles to make profit

I should answer a question that didn't make any sense in the first place.

Aemmyjah:
Which Bible is the only true Bible

This is one of the reasons why it's you people who don't reason and think outside what you brainwashed with.

THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH
THE ONLY TRUE BIBLE
bla bla bla

We have the manuscripts and people have tried for centuries to TRANSLATE it to various languages by getting closer to the original languages. This has made people to enroll in Hebrew, Latin, Greek so that they can well grounded and equipped for their translations but only NWT version was done in other to support DOCTRINES without adequate knowledge of the written languages of the scriptures.

Even the manuscripts in possession today aren't the actual written of the Apostles.

So why will any reasonable person ask, which Bible is the ONLY TRUE Bible?

FxMasterz:
You're right. That Janosky guy has a different style. To attack your valid point, he'll say you're wrong, then he'll drop an unrelated scripture reference without quoting the verse. For example, he may drop John 15:12. When you go open John 15:12, you'll find out that it's talking about something quiet unrelated. He'll just drop the reference to make you think he has something in the Bible that really buttresses his point. If you don't go and open the Bible references to confirm, you'll be floored.

Those guys are really deceptive. It's their stock in trade. Very satanic organization.

That one is the worst among them

Aemmyjah:
Well
Our publications do not force any reader to accept it's message

Can you imagine this nonsense?

So your publication can lie against anyone as long as the people lied against won't read it.

Just waoooo

We just show you all the details about popular practices and doctrines in a logical manner?

Logical manner by misquoting and twisting sources even went as far as using Atheist materials

We have used the same question to address other things such as
Should you believe in angels
Should you believe in God
Should you believe in the Bible

No one bothers which caption Watchtower uses in their publications but why must they lie and twist someone's statement?

I did the same thing Watchtower did in that brochure Should you believe in Trinity? sometimes ago on this forum.

Your brother's then call me different names, until I told them that is exactly what Watchtower did in their brochure, you know what? As usual, they started changing mouth.

Which shows you people don't have conscience for the truth.

You can find the thread HERE

Your low level of thinking won't allow you to reason properly

It's funny as you people always rush to say someone has low level of thinking when in reality it's you people who lack thinking and never reason properly.

FxMasterz:
The guy knows what he was doing. Check all his Bible quotes, you'll find him deliberately twisting Scriptures to authentic his inscription points. He's a confirmed child of the devil.

Why do you think they can't quote the scriptures rather they will just cite it?

He did the same of recent to that Muslim guy @Abu waiting self, the guy exposed him by quoting the cited scripture, do you know the excuse Max gave?

He was like you a sound mind would have read a verse before and after a cited scripture.

Very pathetic!

MaxInDHouse:
How many inventors tagged their religion to what they invented?

Already answered!

Courz:
Jehovah's Witnesses invent nothing. Their lives will be just like the Israelites. Very backward. They don't like Education. They don't like Progress. Boko Haram of Christianity.

He knows that and still wants the whole to be like Jws, the irony of it

MaxInDHouse:
How old are you?

As old as you are.

Have you ever heard of an invention which the inventor tagged with his religion?

No! But we know the religion they belong.

So what has any Jws invented?

No wonder atheists are claiming they're the ones behind technology at least each inventor needs to tell people he made this so and so thing for Buddha or Allah or Jesus or Ṣàngó!

That means you and the Atheist are not informed.

I didn't ask you what Jws invented for Jehovah but which INVENTION has any Jws done?

We know, CHRISTENDOM invented many things, Atheists do, e.t.c

If the whole world was Jws, which invention are they going to be known for?

oteneaaron:
WOW

Funny enough, I still remember going out to preach and distribute that particular Trinity brochure.

I still shudder when I realize I was busy distributing magazines, books, tracts, and brochures filled with LIES and misquotations.

Most times when I pray, I ask God to forgive me for spreading LIES to people back when I was still a JW - I had no idea.

But ignorance is not an excuse - that is why I am bullish about exposing the LIES of Watchtower and doing extensive research into the true origins of Christianity, and religion in general.

Once beaten, twice shy.

That brochure was so out of it.

How can an organisation claiming to be God's mouthpiece goes to that length just to lie and manipulate?

In the brochure, they agreed that there are so called EARLIER FATHER who teaches the truth.

But the major concern about that brochure was when they used Atheist materials just to disprove Trinity.

MaxInDHouse:
OK nah!

So, you agree Jws didn't invent anything.

But you want the whole world to be like Jws