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baretalk:
Mumu, so you already have a preconceived mindset, now disturbing us.

Does my question in line with science or not?

I thought you were a science enthusiast or space enthusiast.

Yes and more than you.

Next time open this in the religious section.

I don't need to.

There are things that science can't decipher or understand

So if questions are asked based on what science can't decipher or understand, does that mean a wrong question was asked?

but the basics, like the questions you posed have all been answered by science...

Never!

for instance the earth is not 6000 years old

Who said the earth is 6000 years old in the first place?

we know that space is vast because of calculations and space craft man have sent to space. If our computers and equipments for calculating distances on Earth work, why will we doubt the calculations science brings out about space?

You started with space is vast and went on to talk about our measurements on earth.

Nothing human can do to day that can surpass the speed of light.

The common measurement we employ on earth today are Radio wave, sound e.t.c.

Can you tell me the equipment used to measure the size of the our galaxy?

For a clue, sending information to and fro from Earth to Mars and vis versa will takes approximately 22 minutes and that was because there is already a receiver and sender in Mars.

Stop mixing up religion and science... everything about religion are encapsulated in a book

No! Maybe your own religion.

science is beyond that

Science can't be beyond human knowledge.

Or we can say science is limited to human knowledge.

and religion is not the way to the truth or a better world, its more about manipulation.

Your opinion not generally acceptable.

AbuTwins:
Same Allah your Arab and Hausa Christians dey worship as written in their Bibles!

Olodo!

It's not the same Allah

You have told many times and you don't want to take to correction

The traditional worshipers in Yoruba called God Ọlọrun or Eledumare does that means Yoruba Christians who called God Eledumare or Ọlọrun are worshipping the same God?

AbuTwins:
It was tailored, translated and retranslated to make Jesus God!

So do you have the one not tailored, translated and retranslated that didn't make Jesus God to compare with the one we have now?

Where is Jesus God in it?

I will tell you when we establish some facts.

You have to translate and retranslate one verse with the trinitarian believe to get that!

Now, you're changing mouth.

Your initial point was that the New Testament (Not Bible version) was created to make Jesus God.

Basically, it's only TRINITARIAN Bible that make Jesus God and not the MANUSCRIPTS we have in possession today. Is that correct?

AbuTwins:
I never restricted the thread in the first place!

I never said you did.

Starting from the NT doesn't restrict me to it.

The point is you acknowledge that NT makes Jesus to be God.

Yes, the NT especially the Book of John was tailored to make Jesus God!

Good! Which means Jesus is God according to the New Testament.

Akalia:
Bro I am a space enthusiast and an aspiring independent space researcher but I believe in God unlike most scientists that do not believe in God.
See, I will say that what keeps all these planets floating in an order without misaligning or colliding with one other is an enigma emanating from Providence .
Some of the scientific findings upheld today logically is bullshit-take for instance the big bang theory and the evolution of man.

Only God- the creator knows all there is to know about the universe because he is the creator.
What men know as of today is very minute and to a large extent not exactly very accurate.

The bold is sufficient for me.

BluntCrazeMan:
My question to you is this,, why is the MOON’S SKY dark,, even when the moon's sky is viewed by an observer standing right under the sun's overhead position.??

Moon sky ke

horlakay:
That's because we have been educated wrongly about the planet and it's stars. Over the earth, there is a dome or firmament where nothing comes in and nothing goes out. What are the lies ( findings from hubble space telescope, voyagers, perseverance, even the recently launched James web telescope). NASA has deceived the entire world about the earth's shape and it's skies.

What is correct?

The sun, moon and the stars were set in the firmament by the Almighty. The moon is not reflecting the sun's light, it has its own. When the sun is moving away from us we transition to night and when it starts to move towards us, it's day. The earth is not moving round the sun and spinning, No not at all.....The sun is moving round the earth which is like a flat disc surrounded by an ice wall called Antarctica, keeping the ocean boundaries. Above the firmament what we have is not space, but another ocean bigger than the whole of earth. All the earth satellites are hanging in a place a little above the first atmosphere and some are around the dome.

Let me stop here for now

Can you provide evidence for your claims?

femi4:
oya tell me wetin dey space

Billions of Stars (Sun), billions of planets, billions of moons (another small planet revolving another big planet), air molecules, debris from space junkies, e.t.c

femi4:
From elementary physics, light must hit an object for you to have reflection and illumination. Unfortunately, the space is EMPTY, nothing to hit to bring brightness to space

It's a lie, space is not completely empty.

Akalia:
Space scientists and researchers make these findings using high tech telescopes on earth and other space base tech stationed in space.
The space is unbelievably vast and that's why it is not lit up with light from those stars.

How do they measure the distance between solar system?

Take for instance it takes 8 minutes for light to reach the earth from the sun even though the earth is the third planet closest to the sun.

Yes because light travels at 3.0 x 10^9, now how can they measure the distance between solar systems they claim they are light years apart?

Then imagine how long it would take light from the sun to reach other planets. Some planets don't even get to experience much of the intensity of the sun rays as felt on earth.

Planets like Saturn, Uranus, Jupiter are gas giants and they are not anywhere close to the hotness on the earth due to the huge distance between them and the sun.

I like this part, so how can the same sun gravity hold those planets in their orbit?

Don't you think the sun gravity will be too weak to act on them?

SEGLIZ:
that is the reason it is called THE UNIVERSE the Sun as HUGE as it is, bright as it could be, luminant as it is, it still remain like a dot in that Verse. as hot as the Sun is here on Earth surface, the heat isn't getting to some planets after the Earth likewise it's illumination isn't penetrating some planets.

If illumination can't penetrate some planets it means the sun is very small when view from those planets.

An ironically the Sun gravity can reach everywhere as far as holding the biggest planet in our solar system in its orbit

Isn't that wonderful?
People can swallow anything sha

Steep:
Have you ever viewed the night sky on a clear night and observer stars moving and the enormosity of the number of stars? Well that is through the naked eye, which is very limited, researches and observation have being made with enormous size and powerful telescopes in space and they were able to estimate the number of stars in the galaxy note it is just an estimate.
Through study and observation it was found out that space is actually expanding and according to Albert Einstein the speed of light in space is a constant which was found to be less than the rate of the expansion of the universe.

This is very funny to read.

baretalk:
I know this because the earth has been rotating in its axis, and moving across this cosmos endlessly, since the beginning of time, billions of years ago...and space time is calculated in light years...

Can I see the video you take with earth rotation?

Just say you read about it.

to show you the speed and vastness in space...also if you know the speed of jets and spaceships, and how limited it still is, when it comes to venturing into deep parts of space, yoi will have an idea.

You can't have any idea, if you consider that the speed of light that human can't even match for now is the fastest in our world.

Also scientists calculate space distances by light, how the light of a star is seen, can help calculate the distance, and scientists infered that space is so vast, it's distance is incalculable.

Light of star is seen from Earth and you believe that.

Is there assumption in their calculation?

Akalia:
You missed it.
Those other stars have their own solar systems in which a number of planets revolve around them in an order very similar to the 8 planets revolving around the sun in our solar system.
Mind you the astronomical distance between these stars are mind blowing huge. Measured in light year. 1 light year is around. 5.88 trillion miles of distance.

Who measure the distance?

Again, with around 400 Billion Stars our galaxy should be all light through.

Steep:
That is because space is unimaginably large and it is expanding faster than the speed of light.

How do you know this?

baretalk:
Space is endless...there are vast amounts of spaces in between stars.

So how do you know this?

Akalia:
Our galaxy is called milky way and it contains around 100-400 billion stars of which our own sun is along. The closest star to our sun is called proxima centauri.
Out galaxy-milky way Galaxy contains uncountable number of planets as well

Waooo with around 400 Billions stars, there shouldn't be anything like night in our galaxy.

xynerise:
Sun is a dwarf star. The smallest star

This didn't answer my question, how many SUNS are in our galaxy?

BluntCrazeMan:
There is no refraction and diffusion of light in space..

The Earth's atmosphere absorbs and diffuses the sunlight.. Thus, we see things because of the atmosphere.

But the space is not completely empty.

Also, must there be atmosphere before refraction and diffusion will occur?

How come Moon can reflect Sun light is such a brighter way despite that it doesn't have a stable atmosphere compare to earth?

xynerise:
The space is too vast for the sun to cover. The sun is just like a pinch of sand compare to our galaxy alone

But how many Sun are in the same galaxy?

AbuTwins:
The thread is not restricted to the New Testament.
I know the new testament was created to make Jesus God!
But we'll keep exposing the falsehood and the liars!

You knew New Testament was created to make Jesus God

Which means you know Jesus is God according to the New Testament.

Yet you want to expose the falsehood by using NT. Does it make sense to you?

Michael547:
Below in the screenshot is your homework of the meaning of 'spirit' in Ecclesiastics 12:7, Job 32:8, Psalms 146:4. You can see Clearly that they have the same meaning with 'BREATH' in Ecclesiastics 3:19.

I hope you can see why BREATH in Ecclesiastics 3:19 is Correctly rendered as 'Spirit' in other translations And why Spirit in Psalms 146:4 is also correctly rendered BREATH in other translations because they have the same meaning.


I'm done with this discussion with you.
Have a nice day.

You didn't address my post!

Aemmyjah:
I hope you have seen that you're not acting according to your age
You are very immature
You're just a boy
That's why I keep asking you your age cos your attitude is typical of a child

Only someone not trained well at home act like this on social media.

Tell us where 30 persons were shot or gunned down
You can post screenshots of the meaning of gunned down but drop source of your story is what you cannot...
Enjoy your week my little child
Drop source of story or I just ignore you

Address my post which I've been asking you since.

Now, did I claim 30 people died by saying 30 persons were gun down?

Lying liar jws like their father the Devil.

MaxInDHouse:
Nobody is seeing Christ now but what Christ's disciples are able to make out of their gathering as imperfect humans.

Which part in my post do you find hard to understand?

So what exactly has this your discussion help you and your fellow believers to achieve that observers may note as something virtuous?

Already answered!

If you forgot your glass send for it.

Now craving for the engagement

MaxInDHouse:
That's good but then what have you and your folks been able to achieve with your discussions?

A lot and you can see it around you.

For instance JWs have formed one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers who share the same line of thought and are doing things just like a global family. Isaiah 2:2-4

Indeed, the same happy family that needs to be look with a suspicious eye

So what exactly has your discussions yielded in the midst of those agreeing with you?

By becoming The Body Of Christ as Christ is Himself is our Backbone John 15:2

MaxInDHouse:
You guys have time o, so it's Emusan you are chatting with shey?

Himself and achorladey are the same they can continue arguing from now till tomorrow that's why i often ignore them whenever their post is irrelevant to my comment!

When it comes to The Word of our God ( The Holy Bible), I can discuss it to any length with those who crave for it.

Aemmyjah:
Where do you see 30 persons?

You're now asking me when you refused to answer my question since.

Here it is again, then you'll know where I see 30 persons

Now, did I claim 30 people died by saying 30 persons were gun down?

You know your ignorance has been exposed by that question that's why you refuse to answer it since.

Why are you acting like an illiterate?

The only illiterate here is the person who doesn't know what GUN DOWN means.

Imagine if you were in a law court, na kirikiri straight 😂

Then you'll know it's not the first person that call police dey win case

Here is my point you dodged.

Watchtower said NOTHING SURVIVED after man's death.

But it's evident that SPIRIT RETURNED TO GOD.

That is false teaching.


If you're not a fraud you won't leave any point unaddressed.

Michael547:
😁😁😁...but you agree that Psalms 146:4 says that 'spirit' is also 'breath' according to other versions abi?

No! Read my post again, this time slowly.

So the breath is now the person😁😁 according to you?

Breath is different from Spirit in Man. That's my point and Spirit in man According to 1 Corin 2:11 has ABILITY TO KNOW.

Which means it's a PERSON because only a PERSON can KNOW, true or false?

So why are you having an issue with Ecclesiastics 3:19

I don't have issue with Eccl 3:19 the point there is that, it was BREATH that was used Not SPIRIT.

Do you get it?

Job 32:8 clearly shows that the spirit within people is the 'breath' of the Almighty God as stated in Genesis 2:7 that was given to Adam.

No! Job 32:8 clearly shows there's different between the Spirit in Man and Breath that was the reason the two Hebrew words used are different in that verse.

Oga we've agreed that all spirit returns to God...why are you now denying that spirits that go to God in heaven don't get into heaven before going to hell....that is the problem i have with you. Where did you get that interpretation from?

At the bolded....you are a fraud once again....who are you to determine what the best rendition is in Ecclesiastics 3:19?

That is because you lack understanding of the scriptures.

Check your Biblehub to know how the Hebrew words were used, I can't spoonfeed you on that

Are you saying that versions that use 'breath' in Psalms 146:4 are also wrong?

Already answered!

Stop going back.

Just because you want to twist the truth, you are bringing an argument of best rendition.

The twister of the truth is you who claimed you agree with Eccl 12:7 yet still believe nothing survived man after death.

You're a fraud and twister for AGREEING WITH WATCHTOWER that NOTHING SURVIVED man AFTER DEATH.

Aemmyjah:
Which 30 people are you talking about?

The one your deluded brother said they died whereas my post is about 30 persons gun down.

Why are you so short minded?

Aemmyjah:
Oga
Be reasonable and show where you heard ur 30

If you're reasonable and not a liar, this simple question shouldn't have taken you more than three posts to reply.

Now, did I claim 30 people died by saying 30 persons were gun down?

SIN as it's known is disobedient to God's laws or standard.

So, let me use this acronym to explain it.

S atan I nfluence over N ature

Aemmyjah:
Which 30 people
I have not heard of any 30 people
Show us na
You this small boy

You haven't addressed my point.

Now, did I claim 30 people died by saying 30 persons were gun down?

I will address your ignorance after that.