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Jesuspikin8:
How come nobody mentioned the same trick Arya used in killing the Night King was already foreshadowed in the fight with Briene of fvcking Tart

First thing that came to my mind immediately it happened

Traveller11:
A lot of scenes in this episode were largely underwhelming, Jon and Dany biggest culprits. Riding around on the dragons and achieving almost fůck all, that was just unnecessary.

Theon and Jorah were by far the biggest players of the night. Arya ended it all, yes, but the way and manner she did was far too easy and somewhat impractical.

I think the writers are brilliant!
They had us completely fooled. We were puppets and they controlled us to perfection. We were looking at the big pieces, which they directed us to, all the while forgetting the small ones.

At the end of the episode, I didn't know if I was happy or sad. My emotions were all over the place, each one threatening to burst out, with none succeeding. Now that's writing at its peak.

GMan650:
ARYA STARK OF f**king WINTERFELL

So, it has been decided since 3 years ago that it was Arya that'd kill NK and so many people did not think of that. Everybody was expecting Jon, Dany or Bran.

GOT is the best show ever

Thank God. Someone watched till the End
That's to show the level of thinking put into GOT. Most of the scenes we are watching now were written years back. I don't think the writers do 'spur of the moment's writing. Every scene we watch has been properly planned out and there is always a story...a reason behind it.

crixuss:
I'm starting to agree with you guys arguing that feminism is ruining Game of Thrones. It's becoming a bit obvious now. This episode was very disappointing.

Please Nelson, don't be tempted. Let it go. They didn't watch it well. Don't argue. Just let it go...

solomonbrown64:
.....Bro, the thing tire me oh. I am seriously beginning to ask myself what Aegon's role is in this series right now. He wasn't the hero in the biggest battle in the show for me as he was all over the place. He couldn't do anything to guard the castle nor take down the threat which is the night king. In fact he was saved countless times by a woman not used to battle. He was practically useless and for one called prince of the dawn, he has yet to show anything regarding that prophecy except uniting the North.

.... Where he would have been most useful has now passed him by and now Dany has taken over completely as the new trailer portrays with him standing at attention and listening to her pep talk together with the rest of the people. It's becoming ridiculous how he has been relegated to the background just after he was given his due status. I really don't know what's going on with the series. It's looking like Dany is the Princess that was promised instead. Anyway, I am still watching, let's see how it all works out.

I will not be baited...I will not be tempted...I will not comment...i will Waka pass

MaziOmenuko:
Brown eyes, green eyes...

...and blue eyes.

Melisandrea just made Arya realize she could also wear the face of a knight walker and get closer to the knight king which she did....and bam!!!!

Winter is over!

WHAT THE F?
This one is the last straw...

LeSulk:
Since you wish to analyze how they died let's go there.

Ned died at the hands of his daughter's fiance. The same fiance he tried to steal his kingdom. He confessed to the whole Kings Landing. By whole, I mean the high and low. The who'res, the thieves, the lords. Everybody.

He was executed in the presence of his two daughters.
After his death, his head was put on display for anyone and everyone to jeer at.

The details of Tywin's death are sketchy at best to the common people. All they know is that he was murdered by his 'Demon Monkey Son'.

I think you are the one confusing yourself.

I still repeat, what I quoted from what you said was 'Tywin died with 'honour' I know how Ned died. I don't need you to remind me. I also know how Tywin died. However, I don't remember him dying with honour or 'honour'. Seeing you type that made me laugh, like real hard. I've explained why how he died cant be classed as honour, be it with quotes or not.

Like I also said earlier, how he was buried, how he was remember (this is another cause for argument cuz I know he was remembered for the stench oozing from his corpse) is not my point of contention. How he died is...and it was not with honour.

LeSulk:
How were both buried?
Who honored their burials?

Ned died a self confessed traitor. Tywin died fresh off saving Kings Landing from the hands of Ned's 'co-conspirator' Stannis. That's how most Westerosi remembered them. There's also there is the small matter of Ned fathering a 'bastard' while Tywin had none. Tywin never even tolerated whores. We know the last line is a lie but sadly that was the reputation both ended with.

There are so many loopholes in what you wrote that it would take only a minute for all your points to leak through.

But what I quoted from the statement you made was, 'Tywin died with 'honour'. Emphasis on died. Not buried, or remembered or who attended his wake...Died!

No matter how you spin it, you are wrong.

You died at the hands of someone you have condemned to die...who happens to be your son...your 'heir'(see, I can do it too)...while taking a shit...on the privy...after fvcking his who're!

Honour my foot.

HenryDion:
It could denote strong emphasis on a quality you believe can not be disputed.

It could also connote sarcasm.

Such an expression can be interpreted differently by readers.

Don't blame him, blame yourself cause your message isn't 'to the point'. You made it ambiguous!

Thank you for this.
If he thinks I misinterpreted it, he should come explain what he meant by 'honour'. But I know whichever explanation he gives, he'd still be wrong.

kay9:
Couldn't have said it better.

I believe I understand what @Gbola5 is trying to say though: that Eddard Stark was a better ruler than Tywin Lannister. And to that I say, WRONG.

Tywin was a terrible man, and a seriously incompetent father. But he was an excellent ruler - as a ruler, you simply cannot afford to have a soft heart. Tywin's results speak for themselves, while Ned got himself outsmarted right under his own nose. Seriously, can you imagine Tywin being outplayed like Ned was?? That is what I mean: the smarts to be a successful ruler.

Thus my statement: I'll rather have a mixture of those two men; Ned for how he managed his home, and Tywin for how he "ruled" the Westerlands (later as Reagent to Joffrey). Ruling is an art, and in the Game of Thrones setting Tywin scores much higher than Ned in rulership.

Yeah Tywin was who he was. But he ruled with fear. I don't think anyone really loved him.. .Apart from his family.

Ned was everything you would want in a ruler...Honourable, just, loving, kind and to top it off, a manly man. His people loved him and respected him. Respect not borne out of fear. They would give their life for him without having to think twice. He was leadership made flesh.

It's just sad that he was betrayed. Betrayed by someone who he initially didn't trust until his wife told him he could.
Yes he didn't understand the politics of kings landing until it was too late. But he did what a just leader would do. It was unfortunate that Robert came back with an injury (Cercie's doing) that would take his life. If not, his plan would have worked. Sometimes you can't know what would happen in the future (Tywin knows a little about this).

I would take Ned over Tywin any day.

LeSulk:
I'm guessing you didn't see the honor was in quotation marks. Or don't you know what the quotation marks denotes?

Whether you put quotation mark, or inverted comma or question mark, you still wrong.

raumdeuter:
Discretion is the bigger part of valor, Ned needed to evaluate his environment before taking action on his honour.
Lannisters are very powerful, rich and very influential in kings landing, Ned found out about their incestuous relationship and about Roberts bastards and he moved immediately against the lannisters knowing that knowledge was probably what killed Jon Arryn.

He was rash to take action on his honour and that's stupid. Many people warned him but he didn't heed. Even Jamie a kings guard attacked him on the streets should have given him a hint but he still went on

That honor caused his family woes and the innocent bastards their lives

You can't just decide when to display honour. It's a quality that comes with being an honourable person, no two ways about it.

I can't say I'm a truthful person and then proceeded to tell lies. That means I'm not a truthful person, instead I say the truth most of the times...two different things.

Ned was an honourable man. He reverberated honour. It was a way of life for him. And it was his strength, not his weakness. And his people loved him for it.

LeSulk:
The only people fighting for the Ned's children are the Northerners (and not even all of them) . Many Westerosi view Ned Stark as an usurper (he confessed to that). He died without 'honor'.
We like the Starks because we know the 'behind the scenes', the characters do not. Only the few who managed to connect the dots are reluctantly changing their POV.
Tywin on the other hand died with 'honor'. He was killed by his dwarf son who had already killed the king. The people who rejoiced at his death were those who stood to gain from a weakened House Lannister . They (eg Tyrells) knew that Kevan and Cersei couldn't fill the void.
We know the truth behind all this but once again the characters do not.
GoT mirrors real life. Those politicians we view as bad may actually be the good ones.

Sometimes I come to nairaland for the comical relief.
Tywin died with honour?
Lol

Gmajor:
You can and you should. The two of them are different and separate. When a book is adapted to show, the two of them become separate. You can't excuse a plot hole or a poorly executed plot from the show simply because the details are in the book. It is the work of the show runners to ensure that the relevant details are in the show. Shikina

You people want me to talk again.

No matter how much the producers deviate from ASOIAF and cannot cast the books aside. You'd miss so many things.

Examples:
If you watched only the series, I'm very sure you didn't know about R+L=J until it was shown.

Someone here said the wall was built to prevent the widlings from crossing. Who does that? If he had properly read the books he would know the answer to this.

The show mad no reference to the killing of Elia Martell and her children until season 4. There was no back story, just Gbam! They raped her and killed her children...who, how, when did all this happen. This is where you need the book brother.

The show can't show you everything, and even thought they've added their own story to it, the book will always remain key. If it wasn't, why then do they still seek GRRM's advice?

The book is key...if you really want to know and understand ASOIAF

echibuogwu:
bros, I no Dey talk according to the book, I Dey talk according to the movie.

The show is an adaptation of the books. You can't just cast it aside.

JhyMedex:
I wanted to slide past..but had to say sth..

Tyrion saved kings landing?..

I dnt get it..do pple write deir own scripts after watchin GOT episodes or is dis blatant ignorance?..

4 all his zest,chutzpah n "fvckin them from behind " Stannis' men overcame d men dt followed Tyrion thru d tunnel...The battle was all but lost b4 Tywin arrived Jst in tym to prevent a rout of kingslanding...

c'mon!. U wldnt make a grt P.I...

.hw cld Tywin know 4 sure who killed jeoffrey ..


FACTS:

1.Jeoffrey was killed by a rare kinda poison...

2. D detest dt Tyrion had for jeoffrey was not hidden fact..

3. Tyrion met wit Oberyn a connoisseur of poisons wen he arrived kings landing...

4. Oberyn hates the lannisters n wldnt mind seeing any1 of dem dead...

5. Tyrion handled d kings goblet b4 he choked to death

6.Tyrions wife Sansa hates jeoffrey n fled d scene of his murder

Doesn't d above constitute probable cause..which more dan any1 makes Tyrion d prime suspect n prolly responsible for the regicide?..

So u do u tink Tywin shld av absolved him giving all d facts..

U tink say na naija court u dey abi?.

Tywin knew Tyrion was innocent. His conversation with Jaime before Tyrion demanded trial by combat showed that. Same with his conversation with Tyrion before he was killed.

If that is not enough, then check this. All the testimonies brought forth against Tyrion were all lies and Tywin knew it.

How you say? Shae's lie was the biggest of them all. In fact it would have been the testimony that would have doomed Tyrion. I would go as far as saying Tywin had a hand in that testimony cuz he was doing the nasty with Shae all the while. No way he would fvcking someone so connected to the King's death if he didn't know about it

Isomerizm:
No. There are certain situations when honour would be a strength. In Ned's case, his honour was his weakness.

Wow!
What next could be a weakness in certain situations? The truth? Strength? Courage? Morality? Loyalty?...Every good thing?

Isomerizm:
Honour isn't a weakness. Ned's kind of honour is.

You mean there are different kinds of honour?

echibuogwu:
wildlings has always been one of the major reasons why the wall was built along side white walkers and the undead, but most people considered the story of the white walkers as rumor and moonlight tales until now.

No.
There are some things you wouldn't know about game of thrones if you watch the show alone, unless you really pay attention to the conversations.

The main purpose for the wall was because of the white walkers.

Read the books and you'll understand a lot. I did when I read ASOIAF. Presently reading GRRM other books

echibuogwu:
you are a bit wrong. Ned Stark didn’t believe the story the guy told , If Ned Stark had believed him he wouldn’t have murdered him.

Honour.. .That was Ned's keyword. The only time he deviated was when he lied to protect his daughters.

Like kay9 said, the beheading was for deserting...not because of the story...deserting. There were other actions the brother of the nights watch could have taken, the first being report the incident to the Lord Commander. But he didn't, he chose to run.

There are other brothers of the nights watch that saw the wights and the Nights king (Ed) and they didn't break their vow.

bond77:
maybe you can shed more light on the bolded.
Now whats my point?
Most of the bullshit Hollywood sell to viewers usually pass through stages and build-ups until it eventually turn to norms in which some have no option than to accept it without compulsion. so many years ago we usually frown at gay scenes portrayed in móvies. but today people are embracing it with open arms (even in the nollywood industries though they do it in secret) and this hás distorted some peoples moral code are they are begininng to explore it to their detriment.
how is this possible? movie producers continue to feature this in their móvies in a subtle form until we start to see it as nothing bad.
same goes with feminism it is presently building up, its the spur of the moment. and watch it in few years time, the world would embrace it wholeheartedly by then it would be to late to start asking how we got it wrong again.

I'm not one of those who embrace gay scenes in movies. In fact, I stopped watching some series because of this.

No one is disputing the fact that "some shows" try to pass some subtle messages in their shows. But as Ksslib rightly stated, we humans sometimes tend to exhibit conscious intelligence and selective dumbnes. Even if they pass these messages to us, the decision to accept it still lies with us.

For me Ignore them. But if I see it's getting to much I stop watching the series. (I just couldn't bear the nonsense on super girl)

Most people blame 'society' but society is made up of people like you and me. If we all take responsibility for our actions, the world would be a better place.

lilbest4:
what is strong female character?
I've said this before Cersei is my favorite character in fact my best scene of the series was when she bombed those fanatics and claimed the throne but this shouldn't mean that all the men in the film will now be subservient and none of them is of any worth anymore. Mention one male character in the film now that is worthy of emulation

How come you deleted my reply to that girl calling her a LovePeddler and you did not delete the one she called African men misogynistic pigs? Is it that you are actually a pússy nigga who is scared of girls coming for you or what

Come on man. You are a man, act like one. No need to resort to insults. What is the use of defending something that we are not ?

Ksslib:
Well said.

However, what lots of people also refuse to understand is that we humans are generally stupid. I'm not referring to you please, I'm referring to the entire human race.

We exhibit conscious intelligence and selective dumbness only when the narrative suits us, me inclusive. Any young girl who loses her virginity because Arya lost hers in that scene deserves to undergo complete and thorough mental evaluation because something has clearly fried in her brain, that is if she doesn't already know what she's doing but feigns being under the influence of fandom. A perfect way to lay the blame on someone/something else so typical of today's world.

You made a good point about how movies influence human psychology, ok , but are there not other movies/shows out there with themes that can also Influence human psychology & cancel-out this negative orientation these so-called naive, young girls & others have absorbed from GOT?

Except of course we want to pretend , I won't be surprised , that psychological influence can only be negative.

Again, if you understand the science of psychology you'll also know that though you might successfully drag a horse to the stream, you cannot force it to drink. The decisions we make in life & what we eventually become - good or bad - has always been a part of us. We were just too blind to see it.

You cannot eat your cake and have it. You cannot want a great story yet try to dictate how the mind of the story teller works. You have two options: Stop listening , or tell your own story.

Saying a book cannot be read, a Movie should not/cannot be watched solely for entertainment is hilarious. So tell me, why do you watch GoT, tell me? Inshort, tell me why you watch movies in general. Tell me the expectation(s) you always have in mind before you click play.

Before you do, permit me to guess -- knowledge? If no, then I'm waiting.

Human emotions like - happiness, sadness, shock, fear - all belong to a Spectrum encapsulating a range of emotions. I know people who love to watch only fear-themed movies . Others prefer happiness-themed ones. Others prefer sad ones.

Knowledge, whatever your sole reason for reading books/watching movies is, entertainment etc - all belong to another spectrum.

If you read books/watch movies because you want to experience one of the elements in this spectrum (knowledge or whatever your reason is) then why do you feel you are better than somebody who , just like you, wants to experience another element in that spectrum too, entertainment in this case.

Prove to me why knowledge (or whatever your reason for reading/watching movies ) is better than Entertainment.

Yes, you MUST watch GoT for entertainment and ignore its glaring themes because GoT is a fantasy series created for the sole purpose of Entertainment. That's why a young girl rides a fire-spitting dragon. That's why one lord of light can ressurect somebody not just once, twice, but 15 ffucking times

You cannot control somebody's fantasy created for the sole purpose of entertainment just because it has glaring themes.

Game of thrones has an embarrassing abundance of other glaring themes too, that include bravery & sacrifice & nobility. A crooked young girl will never become noble just because she watches Game of thrones, but that same young girl will decide to lose her virginity all of a sudden just because she watches Game of thrones ?

Funny how we agree movies can grip us in an hypnotic trance, but quickly snap out of that powerful hypnosis immidiately the narrative doesn't suit us.

Game of Throne's success has become it's biggest problem. The world now treats it like a Mordern Bible, picking every word apart, every sentence, every move -- forgetting it's just some poor old Guy's fantasy. Three, if you include D Benioff & D Weiss take-over.

Are these points enough for you?

Kaycee7:
Any under 18 person watching the show is not HBO's concern. They have already put up a disclaimer. If the showrunners are taking underage viewers into account, shouldn't the violence also be toned down?
Anyone who decides to lose their virginity because Arya Stark, an imaginary character, lost hers is a certified mumu. Olodo with Master's degree. They can as well go and murder their enemies because Arya Stark did so.

I know the people you were talking about weren't kids. I just gave you an account of how old I was when I was influenced by outlandish movie information. Anyone who decides to try something crazy because of a movie is on some epic level of stupid.
I haven't seen Deep Throat so I can't really respond to that.

There's a difference between the themes a creator is trying to enumerate and the themes you think he/she is. Anybody with half a brain can spot the main themes of GOT. Then, everybody else has a theme they think they can observe that Benioff and Weiss may or may not have any clue about. The toxic feminism you're noticing is visible to you. That doesn't mean it's actually a theme in GOT. I could probably spin a theory on how they glorify murder and serial killers, if I tried.
Notice how you had to read up on communism before noticing any correlation to Animal Farm. Imagine if you never came across the word "Communism"? Would not understanding Animal Farm's theme make you any less intelligent?

I came while reading this.
Dalu Nwannem
Ose Gan.

Kaycee7:
Any under 18 person watching the show is not HBO's concern. They have already put up a disclaimer. If the showrunners are taking underage viewers into account, shouldn't the violence also be toned down?
Anyone who decides to lose their virginity because Arya Stark, an imaginary character, lost hers is a certified mumu. Olodo with Master's degree. They can as well go and murder their enemies because Arya Stark did so.

I know the people you were talking about weren't kids. I just gave you an account of how old I was when I was influenced by outlandish movie information. Anyone who decides to try something crazy because of a movie is on some epic level of stupid.
I haven't seen Deep Throat so I can't really respond to that.

There's a difference between the themes a creator is trying to enumerate and the themes you think he/she is. Anybody with half a brain can spot the main themes of GOT. Then, everybody else has a theme they think they can observe that Benioff and Weiss may or may not have any clue about. The toxic feminism you're noticing is visible to you. That doesn't mean it's actually a theme in GOT. I could probably spin a theory on how they glorify murder and serial killers, if I tried.
Notice how you had to read up on communism before noticing any correlation to Animal Farm. Imagine if you never came across the word "Communism"? Would not understanding Animal Farm's theme make you any less intelligent?

I came while reading this.
Dalu Nwannem.
Ose Gan.

meforkene:
Please it's okay bikonu.

Fact is the feminist agenda talk would never end but it's a bit tiring. But yet no rebuttals to Blockdock90 's assertion.

Moving forward: Please as Jamie said Cersei wasn't telling lies about her pregnancy, does it mean the witch she met in Season 5 or so was wrong? (The witch said she'll have 3 kids, Gold would be their crowns and gold would be....).

Could GOT play with or forget such details?
Or has she double fooled Jamie?

Cercie is a renegade. Since she went back on her word to send troops to the north, I learnt not to believe anything she says until it is proven true.

Cercie wouldn't drink wine if indeed she was pregnant. The words of Maggie the frog still rings in her head and if she was indeed pregnant she would do all to protect her baby.
Cercie is a psychopath. I would never believe her till the show ends. I'm sure Tyrion agrees with me

Blockdock90:
I never said the writers of the show purposely included the Arya sex scene to manipulate female audiences. I just explained how that scene could influence the behavior of young girls because it's a scientific fact that movies influence humans behavior and I stated examples.

On the issue of the feminist agenda, this one is glaringly obvious and I've presented my arguments in convincing fashion and no one has since has provided any reasonable rebuttals.

I checked out your profile.Just trying to get into the mind of who I'm trying to 'share' ideas with. And now I understand. I get why u say the things you do. You'll never be convinced about anything as long as you've got you mind locked on it.

Shalom brother

Kaycee7:
The show is rated 18+. So who are the young people being influenced?

This is just people being stupid. Reminds me of when we watched Spiderman as kids and honestly thought being bitten by a spider would give us powers. Or the times we tried to pull off those ridiculous stunts in Kung-fu fantasy movies.

There's a lesson to be found in all forms of art and literature but that doesn't mean I have to strain my brain all the time. If I want to read Animal Farm like a folktale, I damn well have the right to. Same applies if I just want to be entertained by the epic fantasy of GOT

I no know say people get brain like this for here oo.
Thank you brotherly.

oyetpel:
Please i don't understand, your assertion seems convincing but
The series was adapted from a novel, do you mean to say GRRM was helping to further the agenda of leftist feminist?

The characters in the book were rightly represented as written in the books.


And these females you think are ruling now will be dealt with as the show goes on.

Exactly!

You mentioned the movie The Program. I want to ask a question. Did the makers of the movie act out that scene you described simply because they wanted to make people who watch it go out on the road and test their bravery? Or was it just a scene in the general movie?
Was it a ploy to use psychology and get into people's mind and kill them? We're they trying to pass a message subconsciously to the audience? That means they are terrorists right?... Right!

Bro not all movies/series have hidden messages. Kpomkpi

Blockdock90:
What lots of people do not realise is that after the character Arya lost her virginity, thousands of young girls who have idolized Arya since the beginning of the show will also be eager to lose theirs in similar manner. It's basic human psychology. Humans tend to imitate the actions of people they admire and since the brains of humans can't really differentiate between a character and the actor playing the role this makes it even more likely. Hence why I'm skeptical of the intentions of the writers for including that scene and directing it the way they did.

I find it funny how people say: Just watch the show for entertainment and stop pointing out stupid shit. These people don't have an iota of an idea about how movies and shows shape human behavior, especially that of young people. This isn't even debatable. It's a known fact in the fields of psychology and social science. And there have been few examples in recent times. In the movie The Program, there was a scene where a character was lying down on a yellow line in the middle of the road while cars drove past him at the sides. It served as a test of bravery. Then other characters joined him. After the movie was released there were cases of people dying and getting injured because they were trying to imitate what they saw the characters do in the movie. There is also the example of how the movie Deer Hunter inspired lots of people to play the deadly game of Russian Roulette because characters in the movie played the game.

Saying a movie is to be watched just for the entertainment value is just like saying a book should be read just for entertainment. I mean, that's what you'd expect a child to say, but an adult? Really? So a person should read Animal Farm just for entertainment and ignore the fact that the book was highlighting the flaws of the communist ideology? Similarly, so I should just watch GOT solely for entertainment purposes and ignore its glaring themes?

Give me a break!

Eh!
Dem Don come again oooooooo!
So it's not feminist agenda, it's now sexual manipulation. Nna, you need Jesus!

Blockdock90:
What lots of people do not realise is that after the character Arya lost her virginity, thousands of young girls who have idolized Arya since the beginning of the show will also be eager to lose theirs in similar manner. It's basic human psychology. Humans tend to imitate the actions of people they admire and since the brains of humans can't really differentiate between a character and the actor playing the role this makes it even more likely. Hence why I'm skeptical of the intentions of the writers for including that scene and directing it the way they did.

I find it funny how people say: Just watch the show for entertainment and stop pointing out stupid shit. These people don't have an iota of an idea about how movies and shows shape human behavior, especially that of young people. This isn't even debatable. It's a known fact in the fields of psychology and social science. And there have been few examples in recent times. In the movie The Program, there was a scene where a character was lying down on a yellow line in the middle of the road while cars drove past him at the sides. It served as a test of bravery. Then other characters joined him. After the movie was released there were cases of people dying and getting injured because they were trying to imitate what they saw the characters do in the movie. There is also the example of how the movie Deer Hunter inspired lots of people to play the deadly game of Russian Roulette because characters in the movie played the game.

Saying a movie is to be watched just for the entertainment value is just like saying a book should be read just for entertainment. I mean, that's what you'd expect a child to say, but an adult? Really? So a person should read Animal Farm just for entertainment and ignore the fact that the book was highlighting the flaws of the communist ideology? Similarly, so I should just watch GOT solely for entertainment purposes and ignore its glaring themes?

Give me a break!

Aerys is indeed a Mad King. So he still had the mind to think about sex when there is an on going war in your kingdom? Bastard!

Gbola5:
Jon is about 9 months older than Dany. Dany was conceived during the last stages of Robert's Rebellion. Her mother and Viserys were sent to Dragonstone after Rhaegar's death. The Sack of King's Landing then happened( so Aerys would still have been alive to conceive Dany) , which was succeded by the Siege of Storm's End being lifted by Ned Stark, who then left for the Tower of Joy, where he found Lyanna with Jon. Jon was conceived as at the Battle of the Bells, when Rhaegar departed the Tower of Joy leading to the Battle on the Trident. So Jon had a head start. This makes sense because only after the Siege of Storm's End was lifted could Stannis have sailed to Dragonstone and possibly captured the Targeryens, which then led to Rhaella and Viserys fleeing, which then occured the Storm of Daenerys's birth, hence Daenerys Stormborn.