₦airaland Forum

Zico5:
We need to teach these people the great lessons they will never forget throughout their lifetime. How I wish we go back to the era of dictatorship so that both the dispensers and beneficiaries can be jailed without conviction. We are all crying hardship and poverty when the major resources have been shared among the few. How I wish the constitution is suspended so that this people can know the grave consequence of their deeds.

Cant you see the writing on the wall yet

tuniski:
10% is too much sef under 5% of labourr force are govt payroll. Except via corruption which sadly is their stock in trade they can't take care of themselves let alone support others. Let govt do the needful sack 50% of them with adequate compensations. That way they can be productive and engage those cousins and other dependents of theirs in meaningful ventures!

In reality, govt is not suppose to be the main employer of labour but, the stimuli! Private sector is the koko. Over bloated civil service is corruption in every sense of it.

Well there are some sense in waht you just said, we depend wholly on Govt,what ever happened to the public sector

IkennaNweke:
http://nationaldailyng.com/2015/bakassi-boys-regroup-for-fulani-mafia/

I SMELL SUYA

Quakertellicus1:
In a way....that is true. PDP spent 16 years in power....during which time they spent billions on power supply....and all we have now is 5000MW (On a good day).

PDP also should have saved under GEJ. But even if GEJ had saved everything....at best that gives us $100bn in savings. Which is good enough for two years.(Saudi Arabia had $724bn in savings at the start of the oil drop. Now...over 124bn of that has gone. And worse still....Saudi estimates that they have two years of good times left...before they start tightening belts.).

If there is any lesson to be learnt from this...it is the fact that relying on proceeds from selling resources is a bad economic model. Time we went industrial.(Saudi Arabia has just unveiled a big diversification plan. Yes...the rich have to start working for their cash too...)

I'm going to Ask you a simple question from and Engineer's point of view,
going by the popular adage that talk is cheap, would you as a person be willing to risk N5M of your savings in research

HarkymTheOracle:
Awon ti Ipob
The hardworking isrealites
The ones that developed Lagos with their Hardwork
The Self-acclaimed jews
Igbo kwenu!!!

U don dey rake Ohh, if now be them nah Una ooh, wetin Nigeria do unu two tribe unu go talk am one day, if nor be 419 nah drugs, congrat to the people of the left and Right hand sides of Nigeria, doing us proud since 19 80 gbongolo

TLAX:
Thank You Entrepreneur for this positive review of SegcyMoore. People in diaspora and elsewhee should take note cos i have seen some threads dissing every nairaland builder without seeing a need to separate wheat from chaff. I have a young Engineer working on a project for me and I will definitely write a review before he closes the thread he opened for the project.

ahah well that person was P i ssssed offff with a certain person

Ibime:
Delta done suffer.

I no see any medical equipment there except Hospital bed.

So Governors in Nigeria now commission medical consumables.

These are even items donated by a charity to Delta State.

These Governors know Nigerians are fools.

and they are in containers still, not even installed, howabout if them close the doors of the containers and take them away lol
Kia Nigerians una don suffer

sample042:
Since a PhD holder could not add a bit to d betterment of Nigeria, I think we should support a reformed Democrat for the next remaining years than the hates.

PMB is the only hope to salvage Nigeria from its mess.

Vulgar words will strictly not be entertained on this thread.

you failed in you submission when you brought politics to this heart warming topic which cut across the vast majority of black people.

Ratello:
My dear brother this is one reason I have no single likeness for those youths who see APC has their saving party when in actual fact all politicians are the same in Nigeria. Trust me, Fashola is gradually digging his political grave, its a question of time.

I use to hold him in high esteem but I think he has joined them,the groups who watch out for their corporate friends only.He should channel all of his Energy into making Nigeria Energy efficient,The last FG built loads of power station,I think this FG should concentrate in making them work and build at least 2 more B4 the leave govt.

Ratello:
Simple as ABC my brother, I can wager going by the brilliant contributions of folks like you here that dude called Fashola has no business being a minister let alone a Governor at least going by his "reversed kleptomanic robbing the poor to pay the rich" antics he used in governing Lagos. My brother, a visit to that Lagos will tell you everything about the stealing nature of the over-hyped Fashola. Tell me what is working in the power sector? Yet this same socio-vampire has increased the electricity tariff.....and now he is planning to toll our roads then you are forced to ask, what happened to "road tax" introduced by Obj. Love your contributions bro

Mehn that electricity tariff hike was just daylight robbery,I don't know how people just accept it,they should have left it as typical Pay as you go no light no pay.

Optimisticgondy:
This Happened In My Church Today


Pastor preached about tithing in church today, and after sermon, he asked all salary earners (private and public) to stand.

To my utmost perplexity, he (the Pastor) directed the Secretary to start writing their NAMES and their MONTHLY SALARIES respectively.

Will he start coercing them to pay tithes to him personally based on their monthly salaries or what? Is it compulsory for a Pastor to know his members' salaries? What does he want to do with it?
These are some of the questions that ran through my mind in church then. Till this moment, I seem not to know his intention until next week. I wonder what churches are turning to these days.

Does anyone have an idea of what he will likely do with their names and monthly salaries?

%10 deduction, but the good news is, they don't have to pay.Its better to give you %10 to the homeless, motherless and the physically challenged.

Ratello:
You are a reasonable human being God bless you continually.... That Fashola is a smart rogue.

Thank you very much,We need to always ask strong questions when govt try to force through certain policies.let Fash build his own highway with complete street furnitures then Toll it,WE WILL PAY.

obailala:
So because licensed taxi cabs are exempt from paying a toll, then it is no longer a toll abi?.... Motorists pay to pass a road but you think this isnt a toll because the reason for collecting this money isnt for the road's maintenance? Wow!

Okay you know what?... I give-in to ur superior argument, you win! London roads are not TOLLED, even though you get to pay a CHARGE of about £11 any day you drive through certain roads (you are only exempt if you are a licensed taxi cab or are a resident of the area close to the chargeable road).

And yeah, sorry for misunderstanding your special use of words. I must have wrongly interpreted your question below to loosely mean "government built roads aren't tolled in western countries"

Well fair enough, but I still insist London roads are never tolled, if they were the citizens will protest and Biz will collapse.Who can afford it?
If you check the roads tolled in the west are built in full then tolled.ie teh M60.
The only level people pay on road is road tax and that's that
take a cab to OXford street cab don't pay, drive yourself to oxford street during the week, you pay.Also if your car is registered as mini cab ie you do cabbing at the weekend then you can use your car to enter the zone during the week no charge, this is what clever guys are doing to beat the system.They register their 20016 benz as taxi .But if it was tolled, you will pay regardless.
on the other hand the M48 is only tolled one way,you pay £6 plus to go in and its free to come back, thats Wales.
I am no claiming any superiority here, I'm just trying to enlighten us the need for govt to do the right thing, not to take us for a ride,yes we do need to pay for good roads and stuff but the govt must have genuine interest to provide good roads and street furnitures for our highways.

iliyande:
Nawaoo

Is it because he is about to go?

yes cos it wont be his bill to carry

modath:
I initially wanted to "die" this debate cos I'm not really a must win every argument "by all means" kinda person.... I had to fall back when I saw you predicating your argument on 18k minimum wage... I cant deal...

No one on 18k can afford a bicycle let alone the engine of a car... I'm not trying to be facetious or making mockery of any body's situation (it's inhumane & ungodly) but using that as a basis to argue against tolls when they don't even own cars to start with & most people don't even get on highways except during festive seasons or special needs to travel home!!!!Nah!!

I repeat, I'd rather pay for tolls and have good roads to ply & shorter travel time than fight a battle that a section of the nation will claim is persecution.... Do we even know how fuel subsidy is being applied or how we had over 600bn subsidy debt in less than 6mths?

Take a random sampling of NURTW & transport coys drivers, (they are the frequent users of highways) their experiences and opinions will better serve as guide..

Peace, out....

MY TAKE
Govt should build brand new roads with whatever partnership they could source and then TOLL IT.I reckon that's the way 4ward not TOLL existing roads or patched up roads.Taxes were paid for those by us and our fathers.

obailala:
Your unintelligence is quite provocative. How can a human reason so lowly?

First you claim roads in the western world are not tolled, I showed you examples of several major UK tolled roads and also explained to you how several roads are tolled within London in the form of congestion charges. Then you switched your argument by claiming the major roads I mentioned in the link are outside London. This is the very first case of you admitting shamelessly to your originally intended deceit where you claimed that roads aren't tolled in developed nations.

By the way, what's the meaning of the rubbish you spewed about the Dartford crossing not being a tolled road because the tolling system uses ANPR technology?.... What do you also mean by saying congestion charges aren't tolls?... Can you drive through the roads for free?.... can I drive through those roads for free?... Your argument is that people who live within the area, and cab drivers who pass often are granted discounts in the payment?.... Do you even listen to yourself and your meaningless inconsistency?.... Or probably in your own wisdom, you assume a tolled road must have a toll gate manned with humans as we do in the 3rd world right?... If payment for using the road is not taken by humans, then such a payment for using the road cannot be called a toll?

Abeg am I the only one reading these rubbish you've been posting all day?.... I really wish someone would come and rescue me from this your torture by telling me you are simply playing with my head.

to your first paragraph < i challenge you to post where I STATED THAT THERE WAS NO TOLL IN THE WESTERN WORLD, if you can't it means you are high on cheap weed if you can it means I am a lazy old bag and higher on cheap weed, Im waiting


CONGESTION charges aren't TOLL
REASON,If I live inside the area,I am exempt up to %90 or near I am exempt up to %90 does that sound like TOLL?
If I hold a valid Blue badge I don't have to pay regardless of waht I drive .Does that sound like TOLL?
IF I am a taxi driver I do not have to pay any money regardless of how many times I drive into the congestion zone.Does that sound like TOLL?
The primary reason the Congestion charge was introduced in LONDON in the year 2003 was to reduce congestion in central London, period not to generate funds to maintain the roads ,[color=#990000][/color].

To the Dartford Crossing, Go and ask if that is in LONDON,

TAXI DO NOT PAY CONGESTION CHARGES
TAXI PAY TOLL CHARGES TO CROSS DARTFORD BRIDGE AND THE M60(Both not in london)
ELECTRIC VEHICLES DO NOT PAY CONGESTION CHARGES BUT PAY TO CROSS DARTFORD BRIDGE
The Congestion areas(Roads) have been around for more than 400 years but the TOLL Roads across the UK where just Built and then tolled, it was never free anyday.
I have copied this from your link
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/discounts-and-exemptions?intcmp=2133

Exemptions
You don't have to pay the Congestion Charge or register with us if the vehicle is recorded at the DVLA in one of these categories:

Two-wheeled motorbikes (and sidecars) and mopeds
Emergency service vehicles, such as ambulances and fire engines, which have a taxation class of 'ambulance' or 'fire engine' on the date of travel
NHS vehicles that are exempt from vehicle tax
Vehicles used by disabled people that are exempt from vehicle tax and have a 'disabled' taxation class
Vehicles for more than one disabled person (for example Dial-a-Ride) that are exempt from vehicle tax and have a 'disabled' taxation class
This information will be on your vehicle's V5C (logbook). If you are unsure then please contact us.

Taxi and Private Hire Vehicles

Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles are exempt from paying the Congestion Charge when actively licensed with London Taxi and Private Hire (TPH). The exemption for Private Hire Vehicles only applies when undertaking private hire bookings.

A vehicle will be removed from the register of exempt vehicles on the surrender, expiry or revocation of the license.

Other exemptions

Certain vehicles, including buses, registered in European Economic Area member states, must also be registered with us to qualify for an exemption.

Other categories of exemption include:

HM Coastguard and Port Authorities
Certain operational vehicles used by the London boroughs
The armed forces
Royal Parks Agency
Breakdown organisations

obailala:
- You claim and insists there are NO plans to toll the proposed 2nd Niger bridge
- You also claim and insist you live in London and NO roads in London are tolled

Firstly, I need to come to terms with the fact that I'm arguing with a person who has absolutely no idea and no clue about the plan to toll the proposed 2nd Niger Bridge for 25 years. The sorry part of your case is that even after being informed, you still stubbornly insist in wallowing in your ignorance, when you should have quietly done a simple google search to confirm and consolidate the knowledge and info being passed to you.

Then again, you claim you live in London, but obviously, living in london is not an automatic ticket to being knowledgeable or informed on all matters. You claim you have driven in London for 12 years but you haven't heard of 'congestion charges' in central London roads? This is however not unusual for people WHO DO NOT DRIVE, so stop lying to yourself and exposing further ignorance here, YOU DO NOT DRIVE IN LONDON.

Here is a link from the UK government's official website highlighting the tolled roads within the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/uk-toll-roads
Below is a link from the Transport for London website talking of congestion charges on London roads.
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge

I feel embarrassed having to even respond to your ignorant comments but I am only responding for the sake of others reading this. I dont expect these postings to make any sense to you because you have proven and re-proven yourself to be averse to knowledge and information; you obviously prefer swimming in your 'I live in London' ignorance.

See how you just embarrassed yourself all cos you managed to buy MB on your phone , buy fuel to charge you phone and then post rubbish. read the links again, Non of those roads are in London from teh first link you posted, the dartford crossing I have only gone fru once in my life and that was by mistake, its one of the many branches of the M25,there are loads of plenty free route,there are other provision, its just quicker to link kent from there.This boils down to the fact that the Govt gave options and even as we speak they are losing money on that toll hence they sacked all the people Manning it and introduce ANPRs to clock VRMs of cars and I'm one of the people who installed the ANPRs
On your second paragraph the company I worked for also fixed the AMPRs for the London CONGESTION CHARGES. [/font]ITS [b][/b] IT IS NOT A TOLL,[font=Lucida Sans Unicode] read it again,Mini cabs, Black Cab taxis ,Hackney cariages are exempt from paying it, their VRMs are programmed into its database,people who live inside the Zone do not pay,People who work Inside the zone but live outside get up to %30 discount.people who live within a mile of it get up to %40.
I was asking you to tell me a name of a road in LONDON which is tolled.
Now let me state here there is no TOLL within London not one, only the inter city roads are tolled, check the very link you posted there is non of those road in london.
The M60 was built on PPP,it cuts the journey from the south to manchester in the North by up to 2 hours in some cases even more,ie faster, Now you do not have to go on it, you can stick to the the M40 route and go via Birmingham,there are loads of options up north.
BE INFORMED and stop posting rubbish that's my advice for you,learn to hold your govt to account dont just swallow everything the throw at you, they have a civic duty to make life easy for you as you pay tax.

Charly68:
Only God knows why obj & his cronies demolished all the toll gates with unbelievable costs only for Fashola to come up with a new policy of toll gates now. What is wrong with our leaders self ?

Cos every single motorist pay Road tax in NIgeria and these where meant to fix roads, where is the evidence of that on the roads today ? U see ammm

989900:
First provide good roads, electricity, water, health, and anything, I will pay, we (the reasonable ones) will pay, those that are complaining already pay more for bad roads to their auto mechanics, that is if they do not pay with a limb or their lives.

I have never changed my 'shocks' on any of my cars outside the country, but in 9ja, you change them like 'oil change'.

ahaha, 1st time I have to agree with you on this one.You see, the suffering in 9ja is now a norm that people are now seeing suffering as normal, that is prity scarry.I challenged someone on here long time ago about cost of fuel when subsidy get removed will almost double they cried out saying it will go as low as N45-N50, today how market.No Govt cant pay for its citizen to build roads? even though they pay tax on roads already plus repair their cars due to lack of maintenance on the part of the government

woodcook:
Stop sending links.

Please take your time and reread this link you sent

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_roads_in_Europe

I have lived and traveled the Schengen countries extensively by roads and for the few that you will find toll they are usually for heavy duty truck. I have seen toll between Thessaloniki and Kavala and that cost about 2 euros. I guess you know what means in relation to their minimum wage.

As per minimum wage, you referred me to GDP, let me break this down to you, EU in total has the biggest GDP compare to any nations. In terms of sovereign states, Nigeria for instance has bigger gdp than say Belgium. I would suppose with your argument that Nigeria should fare better in terms of minimum wage and residual income. But the reverse is the case, which was why I insisted on minimum wage in relation to the toll.

So my dear we are all here to learn, it will be nice if you take your time and think logically about things, think it through but its intrinsic and extrinsic value in relation to a particular society.

We can write a whole essay on how comparing the proposed toll system to anywhere in the west you find any resemblance of a toll similar to comparing apple and oranges.

Bro don't mind some busybodies here who have never buy ticket once in thier full life trying to act as if they know how, can U imagine He saying almost all roads in london are tolled when not one single road is tolled in London, not even tower bridge, Y should we pay tolls when we already pay road tax to maintain the roads I am waiting for him to name the rd in London that has tolls.This is how people just accept everything thrown at them without asking questions, why should govt toll the bridge?of what purpose would our taxes be paid for then?I once argued that the subsidy should not be removed as that's the only payment govt do that helps the common man rather they should fight the corruption within the subsidy payment and volume of supply.

obailala:
I am vigorously shaking my head in disgust at your display of ignorance regarding the PPP nature of the proposed 2NB. A simple google search would have saved you this embarassment.

Stop talking rubish,why should I take anything you say serious when you are here embarassing yourself talking crapp like all roda or most roads in london are tolled when infact NO ROAD IN LONDON is tolled.

obailala:
The most likely reason the roads would be tolled is because they would be built on a PPP basis. Private investors bring majority of the funds, build the roads and then recoup their money over many years through tolls. A typical example is the 2nd Niger Bridge project which is being built on a PPP basis.

And yeah, not that I encourage tolling, but contrary to your assumptions, in western countries, tolling of roads is a norm. Most roads in London are tolled (on weekdays only) as a means to encourage people to use public transport and decongest the roads.

No road in LONDON is tolled,why spread wrong info? I have driven in London for 12 years.have you driven half a day

ObiOmaMu:
Ray is a Nigerian 'big boy' based in Malaysia. Versace debuted its Palazzo Empire bag back in February this year, here is Hushpuppi with three of the bags, each is worth about N1million, at Versace Piazza Duomo.

Actress Anita Joseph was among followers who were asking him for a piece. Meanwhile, Ray moved over to Gucci after his purchase at Versace and shared more pics below.

http://www.lailasblog.com/2016/04/nigerian-big-boy-spends-n3million-on-3.html

these bags are cheap, £2200 bag we nor go hear word again ni.

obailala:
The proposed 2nd Niger bridge by GEJ will be heavily tolled, and yeah, that was GEJ's idea. I'm sure when that bridge is eventually completed, Jonathanians would wilfully and dubiously erase from their memory, the fact that the tolling idea was from GEJ; I can already foresee how Fashola and Buhari would be fried when that bridge is eventually completed and the toll takes effect. The argument would go like this "GEJ gave us a bridge, Fashola and Buhari put toll gates on it."

where did you get the idea that the bridge would be tolled? if they did wont we stick to the old one?

modath:
Brilliant!!!

Even western nations that are far ahead of Nigeria after taxing income and petrol still collect toll, their roads won't improve otherwise!!

Oh you wailers, especially the ones that probably were still in primary school when we had toll gates , crying and blackmail won't solve it, this will happen!!!

BTW, some of us love the idea of toll gates and are thrilled... A place to chill when driving taya person or tire less or hot wee wee hol person.

name one western country where govt build roads %100 and toll it?

dvee2:
Buhari failed, but your graduate zoo doctor messed up the country. under him billions are stolen.

ahah You agree he failed already, less than a year, then the next three years would be baptism of hardship.

excomarow:
Guy if you don't will, shall and going to, how tha hell are going to achieve your goal.

Past administration did recover some abacha loot.

WHAT did they use the money for? Did they come out publicly that this is what they will use the money for? Instead they kept quite and pocket the money. DID YOU ASK THEM

Guy pray for him to achieve is plans for our youths and the country

STOP WAILING

there were no wailers then just Zombies,hence no questions where asked.

imamabi:
It is for the Chinese to do some contracts on loan not that the country is seeking fund

that was what they changed the Lie to, soon they will deny that too, just watch.

AfroBlue:
i haven't seen a leader so sincere about improving the conditions and loving his country like this gentleman in a very long time. Ride on Mr. President. Success for 9ja is the only goal!

Kai,another one here. !

DropShot:
[s][/s]
Keep your frustration in check till 2019 when you can unleash it through the ballot box again.

The 2016 budget contains about N350bn in expected recovered loot as a source of funding the budget. It's a first in the history of Nigeria.

This govt will not do certain things because wailing zombies want them done their way. Rather it will act as deemed necessary and fit for our common benefits.

Wailers can relocate to Sambisa if they like.

See what cheap weed can cause.

KingRex1:
Haha! Container? Seriously? Lol

Aha stay there.its has big garden front and back.nice view of the A406. Security.fresh river for the loo ahahah

KingRex1:
I hope its nt some sorta rat hole. Rent in london is relatively xpensive.

Nah one container on the A 406 axis N19