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Christianity Etc › Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 1:27am On Jul 16, 2015

In conformance to the tradition set by the woman who insisted that dogs eat crumbs from the master's table after Jesus tried to pull a fast one on her by throwing an anecdote of dogs and children at her
..i'll go on wink

OLAADEGBU:
Can I still play with the dog, who can play with fire and not be burnt?

U sure can play with the dog especially if you're a dog trainer
you can also play with fire and not get burnt if you a weary and play safely

Have you forgotten that the world is still suffering from Abraham's decision to go into his maid today?

that's the point of view of us christians, ..I doubt if the Jews even think that way
the other side (non-christians) don't percieve it that way either
And guess what, the last time I heard about father Abraham,
he was chilling in a cool place visible from hades after what he caused on earth, he was even giving a topographic lecture to the rich man -talk about reward angry

can we then surmise by saying that those who try hard to keep to the letter do a lot of moaning, while those who don't bother seem to be having their cake and eating it sad

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 1:52pm On Jul 15, 2015

OLAADEGBU:
If the guy no spend would love still kontiniu?

As long as the money was only an extra, and not the main thing the love was built on. yep she'll still love him

Are you sure Jesus in Matthew 6:1-4 did not condemn it? :-

Nope, he didn't. He only said "Beware". Just like saying "beware of dog". This is not condemning the dog or the person that might be bitten by the dog

Remember the double minded man that James spoke about.

Nope, he's not double minded.
He's like Abraham the father of faith who believed God for a heir, but still had a son from his maid
lest the story have been told that Abraham been try, then he doubted God at the last minute and ended up with no children at all sad

..it is said to be innocent as doves and shrewd as serpents embarassed

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 1:31pm On Jul 15, 2015

MuttleyLaff:
[size=4pt]I hear you too, heard you loud and clear

If we're trying to turn the cube a little bit to see what else we can see, let's even try push the boat out, a bit further, bit in the deep end

Now not trying stir up a hornet's nest here but when I hear people say so-and-so has humility or such-and-such is so humble,
am like well, hmm but "Humility isn't actually humility unless there's something you're good enough at to be humble about."
That was a God quote from the "Joan of Arcadia" series, it used to be shown a few years back on the CBS Network
When I heard that line in the series, the penny about Numbers 12:3 dropped for me

Numbers 12:3
(Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)

Hmm, imagine leading a nation out of Egypt,
lead half a million Israelites or say more than 2 million people, if women and children are included, to the promised land
now if that isnt something to be humble about, I dont know what else is.
That, right there, is humility. That is a feat.
No wonder the Bible recorded he was very humble, more than any of the men who are on the face of the ground

If the word humility, as we know it to be, is also associated with meekness, lowliness or submissiveness,
then it will wear thin and fail miserably, in the face for anyone subscribing to or endorsing one, any or all of the following:
1. KNEELING before them while addressing them with your head bowed
2. Calling them my lord
3. Ministers DEMANDING on 'honor' such as being addressed as daddy, mum....and publicly rebuking those who don't
4. Literally kissing their feet/shoes
5. Removing shoes in their presence
6. Washing their feet
7. Defining honor as agreeing with their EVERY word, doctrine

I dont recall ever, reading Moses, a man exceedingly humble above all men that dwelt upon earth,
allowing any of the Israelites according him, at any time, one, any or all of vooks' listings

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Using the English definition of HUMBLE just like you have (..make I no use original Hebrew translation and root because I no sabi am)
suggests that the leader is perceived to accrue to himself less of the privileges/power/visibility than he would otherwise be able to have
You are right

You and I might not be under the influence of these leaders alright
but perhaps, their followers call them humble because they are placed on very high pedestals by the followers
to the extent that if the leader asks to slap them, they would oblige
so here comes the leader instead of slapping the follower, requests only that his feet be washed
..."wow, the leader is so humble" they'd say

So I guess humility has a lot to do with what is being measured against, and by whom

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 3:06pm On Jul 14, 2015*

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=35846321][/quote]I agree with Vooks and yourself
However, I ask where in the world do folks get some strange leadership-followership ideas from (which might end up being abused)
I refuse (or fear) to believe that these leaders seat down to conjure up these practices hoping that their followers tow it
I suspect its a natural flow from their value system (both the leaders and followers)

Look at us arguing respectfully
it is clear that our value system supports this, and any Christian leader that engages with us would have to come to the table with lots of brain power ... (though we also have some inert but suppressed vile values birthed by our cultures and traditions)

However, it makes sense that an insultive Christian would only sync with a leader who is able to use brash coercive psychological force to keep him in check

You can thus see a certain semblance of character between the follower and the followee.
This I suspect is because they share similar underlying cultures (I am not talking about tradition oo)

perhaps there is another angle to this
maybe the leader has special gift that enables him stir and configure his followers values/culture/beliefs to be same as his.

Whatever, the case, I seriously doubt that a man go siddon start to dey plan how him wan make a fool of him congregation
That South Aftrican pastor that get his followers to eat grass should be a good case study for my line of argument

....all said, I largely agree with you guys. All of this is just me trying to turn the cube a little bit to see what else we can see

*Additional comment..To buttress my thoughts around culture, you noticed how the OP laid out his argument for standing up for pastors. He came in from the point of view that we typically stand up for presidents, and then transferred that same honor to the pastors. That argument might not fly well with a British person who typically won't be bothered to stand for his prime minister. However, if the OP and his folks do a good job of transferring the adulation given to the queen unto the pastor, then indeed not only will they stand, they will also bow before the pastor.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 10:20am On Jul 14, 2015

vooks:
When I said cultural disposition is abused, I meant it is abused by those who readily ascribe the practices I described to culture.
You opined that some of these practices are borrowed from culture. I countered that by asking where else they are found outside Christianity. If they are found nowhere else outside Christianity, then it is wrong to 'blame' culture for these. They would be nothing but internal practices

I did get your point (and I agree with you that leaders with an awe struck following can and do a number of times abuse such privilege. It is natural human flaw that is even replete in the Bible)
However, for the sake of some extra intellectual argument -playing the "devils advocate" or should I say the "angels advocate"
I am arguing that culture goes beyond that which is obvious in the community
It is like an iceberg assemblage see https://equity.spps.org/uploads/iceberg_model_3.pdf

A not too tidy example: if a church encourages the followers to wash the feet of their apostles
you might find out that an underlying but seemingly unrelated saying in that community is "moni no dey shout say this man make me from toilet washing"
Consequently, the follower doing the washing might be thinking "if I wash this pastor leg, God go give me money"
The pastor himself whose feet is being washed might be driven by another philosophy embedded within the culture of his community.

Now remember Peter was not pleased with unclean animals that he was given to eat in his dream, and it showed in the way it affected his ministry with the gentiles.
I think Prophet Jeremiah it was who pleaded with God to change his mind about cooking with human poo, because it was unclean.
All of this was as a manifestation of culture

I am not holding brief for these guys, after all, the spirit of the prophet is subject to the control of the prophet
I am just exploring an alternative reasoning apart from the normal "false prophet" label or the "you must obey God's prophets" mentality

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 11:53pm On Jul 13, 2015

OLAADEGBU:
There are two types of rewards, from men and from God. Which one do you think we should be aiming for?

I think we should first try to be nice. reward or no reward
for example get up for that old lady to sit even if God no bless you

I then think that the next step is to look out for the rewards for our niceness.
Its like a girl marrying a guy because she loves him. But the extra is that the guy dey spend sha

I think that if you have waited too long for God's reward for your niceness and u neva get am, then try mans own
afterall, Jesus did not condemn it.

I think that you can further jig it to have 50/50 potential reward distribution from God and man.
Any one that comes first would be gratefully received. cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 11:41pm On Jul 13, 2015

vooks:
'Cultural disposition' is often abused.
Here is what I would look for; is any of these practiced anywhere outside Churchianity by the same community? And is the same an accepted norm?

I would dig deeper than what is obvious in the community
culture is often like an iceberg with a lot of its intricate underlining forces submerged in the subconscious -away from site

Yes, cultural disposition is often abused
and cases abound were such honor /loyalty to leadership has led to 'cultic' physical and material destruction when the leader turns from the right, and his sheep follow blindly

However, looking at the history of Christianity you might notice that major thrusts have been achieved by a dangerous few
who seem to bend the rules in an absurd but dogged way.
It seems to strike the chord needed to galvanise a zealous following who would otherwise not have moved their behinds for the things of God.
The gospel is warehoused by human vessels, so I guess Christianity has to live with the risk that what can be soooo gooood and powerful , can be abused and become sooooooo baaaaad and enslaving.
Where do we draw the line?

that's why I believe that sensible criticism must be tolerated

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Should Honor God’s Ministers by esere826: 10:50am On Jul 12, 2015

vooks:
Good post Gombs.
Can you give examples of WRONGLY honoring God's ministers?

Or, could you tell me if any of these is right;
1. KNEELING before them while addressing them with your head bowed
2. Calling them my lord
3. Ministers DEMANDING on 'honor' such as being addressed as daddy,mum....and publicly rebuking those who don't
4. Literally kissing their feet/shoes
5. Removing shoes in their presence
6. Washing their feet
7. Defining honor as agreeing with their EVERY word, doctrine

Cc Winsomex,ayoku777,esere826,Image123,MarkMiwerds

My instinct would be to say that they are wrong, ....but wait a minute
my instincts may be honed by my culture

I guess all first 6 (and perhaps the 7th) have a lot to do with the Minister's and Congregation's cultural disposition

for example
I am not an expert in Italian culture, but I noticed that their movies depict that the dons stretch out their hands, and is kissed by those loyal to them
I see the Roman Catholic Church Pope does the same thing

I would assume that a minister and congregation from the Yoruba stock might not see anything wrong with laying prostrate before church authority.
At first, I would feel repulsed if I am expected to do that....I don't have that culture

....but now for the 7th one
uhmmmm

Defining honor as agreeing with their EVERY word, doctrine

I can't think of any modern culture that ascribes to this
except perhaps dictatorial ones like Taliban and North Korea

Christianity Etc › Re: Does The Lord Change Or Not? by esere826: 9:12pm On Jul 08, 2015

OLAADEGBU:
Does the Lord change or not?

[size=5pt] Malachi 3:6; and Genesis 6:6, 7; Exodus 32:14; Jonah 3:10

God does not change:

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore you sons of Jacob, are not consumed" (Malachi 3:6).

God does change:

"And it repented the LORD that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him in His heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repents me that I have made them" (Genesis 6:6,7).

"And the LORD repented of the evil which He thought to do to His people" (Exodus 32:14).

"When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it" (Jonah 3:10) [/size].

YHWH has both characteristics of change and "unchangeability", so the answer is yes for both.
Its just like the story of how definitions depends on what part of the elephant a man who happens to be blind touches.

Consider this
A mans wife screams at him for always peeing on the toilet seat and she says he needs to change
he grunts back and says to her "I am a man with a dangling hose which sometimes misfires... . abeg.. You wan make I turn to woman? I can never change"

Again, this same man some 5 yrs back had sworn that he will not marry until he clocks 40. He suddenly met a damsel who is not willing to wait for him. He repents of his oath and quickly marries her so that she doesn't run off with another fella.

We can see that the man 'can change', and yet 'can not change'
A question that can follow from such analysis is how can we be sure which part of God we are exposed to, and in what circumstance? Can we trust that he will not change when we need him to be the unchangeable one?

Politics › Ben Murray Bruce Narrates The Stupidity Of Some E-rats by esere826(op): 12:15am On Jul 07, 2015*

A Third Alternative to PDP and APC
by Ben Murray Bruce
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/a-third-alternative-to-pdp-and-apc/213992/

Months after the 2015 elections ended, Nigerian youths are still hung up on those elections. Nowhere is this more obvious than on social media which our youths have turned to a battle ground divided into pro People Democratic Party (PDP) and pro All Progressives Congress (APC) youths. So ingrained is this animosity that each group targets elected officials and party chieftains of the opposing parties and go after them just on the basis of their party affiliation. Things reached a comical stage when a youth attacked me for a tweet on Twitter and hours later was praising a popular youth for his tweet. Unbeknownst to him was the fact that the youth had merely tweeted my exact words but had not credited me with the quote!

These shenanigans makes me concerned for our youth. Where they should be getting closer and breaking down barriers, they are holding a candle for politicians who in reality are not as divided as they lead these youths to believe.

For instance, Senator Bukola Saraki is the Senate President and Chairman of the National Assembly today. He could not have been elevated to that exalted seat were it not for the votes of senators of the PDP. What does that teach us? It teaches us that all politicians are divided by a common interest which united them when the conditions are right and temporarily divides them when they are wrong.

I advise youths not to look at Nigeria from a pro PDP or APC perspective. They should see the country from a pro youth outlook. Their future is greater than a party. Nigerian youths should not believe and act as if the only options available to them are either the PDP or the APC. There is a third alternative.

This third alternative is patriotism.
I am reminded of the wise words of Mark Twain who defined patriotism as “loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it”. Our youths have to imbibe this wisdom from Mark Twain and refrain from saying and tweeting nasty stuff about each other and their religions, regions, tribes and ethnicities.

Those who engage in this do not understand that foreigners follow Twitter trends and when our youths are disrespecting each other’s ethnicities and religions, they must realise that foreigners do not see us as Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo. They just see us as Nigerians. I therefore advise our youths and indeed all Nigerians to speak of Nigeria in a way that shows the world that we value her. If we put a small price on Nigeria, we should be rest assured that the world will not raise that price.
We should not come on social media to abuse one another on partisan grounds. That to me is an abuse of the platform.

I am sure Jack Dorsey, Noah Glass, Biz Stone and Evan Williams, who founded Twitter, did not found it as a platform where we come to outdo each other in raining insults on those on the opposite political divide from us. Speaking for myself, I am on Twitter to release my ideas for scrutiny and receive ideas of other Twitter users for contemplation, because none of us is as smart as all of us.

Our youths need to understand that we are living in an idea age not an insult age. It takes interdependence and interconnection to create the atmosphere that inspires brilliant ideas. Our youths are short circuiting this interconnection when they alienate each other.

And I am aghast as to what to say to those elders who come on Twitter and fan the embers of division amongst our youths by retweeting them when they retweet insults and destructive criticism against their political opponents. Even worse is when they praise them by calling them intelligent for engaging in this behaviour.

We really need to watch it. Nigerian youths are beginning to define intelligence as the ability to come up with the most sophisticated insult and criticism. We urgently need to redefine intelligence in Nigeria. Mudslinging, cynicism and criticism are not acts of intelligence. Ideas and creativity are. If you are truly intelligent, you won’t be on Twitter lobbing insults on political opponents. Instead you will be tweeting ideas that inspire solutions to Nigeria’s challenges!

I want to urge these elders, who I have come to be aware are called Twitter overlords, to remember that true elders plant trees of peace even though they know they may never benefit from the shades of those trees.

President Barack Obama, Senator Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton are some of the most criticised political figures in the world, but they do not use social media to react to the criticism they receive. Instead, conscious of the fact that their role is to set good moral standards for the youths, they constantly tweet uplifting and inspiring tweets which have the capacity to unite people. That is what we should do as elders in Nigeria. If we do not do this, we should consider that a time may come when those attack dogs have savaged all our enemies, and having nothing else to savage they may turn on us.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 7:33pm On Jul 06, 2015

OLAADEGBU:
So, what you are saying is that we should show our good works, right?

Strategy wise ...yes
humility or discretion wise -no

It depends on which is the overriding factor at that point

for example, if i pick up a man on the streets and help him to his feet economically
,....it makes no sense for me to announce it. What gain do I have for this even from men?
however, if i want to encourage others to do the same, i definitely will use that experience as an example
also, if like Rochas Okoracha, I want to run for presidency, I would be happy to draw peoples attention to my act of kindness so that they vote for me.

I guess at the end of the day, the question would be if I would help that man if I have nothing temporal to gain from it
if the answer is yes,
then it doesn't really matter whether I do my good deed in secret (without gain) or in the open (for additional strategic gains)
in essence, the overiding purpose was not that I have the glory of men, and probably neither that of God

We could change the topic to trying to identify the blessings from both types of acts
and then ask if God would go ahead and bless me after doing this act from the mindset i have espoused
and I would probably answer that
"your Father which sees in secret Himself shall reward you openly"
he has seen your secret mindset and has rewarded you openly.
Hence your ability, determination and capability to even lift that guy up economically in the first place

Christianity Etc › Re: Should Or Should We Not Let Our Good Works Be Seen? by esere826: 8:33pm On Jul 05, 2015

nothing wrong with letting our good works be seen
as it is written
" let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."
if you take this literary, you see there is a distinction between the works and the light
in order words, it can be interpreted as saying
draw attention to your good works so that folks will see it and bless God

But then what about the other verse that seems to suggest we hide our good works
Well, there are a number of explanations I can give, but I'll give only this one.
an excerpt from the verse shows this:
"......that they may have glory of men."

So we see that this is an admonition to those who are yet to emerge from self
those who are yet to understand their oneness with God, those who are separate from God

Remember what was said about Christ
that he went about doing good.
he sure wasn't trying too hard to hide it.

Politics › Re: Get Ready To Sell Your Private Jets’ – Gov. Oshiomhole Tell Owners by esere826: 8:15pm On Jul 03, 2015

Port Harcourt – Gov. Adams Oshiomhole of Edo on Friday advised public officers and politicians to get rid of their private jets as President Muhammadu Buhari had begun blocking financial leakages in the country’s economy........

.......The governor said that Nigerians should not be deceived with clamour by some politicians to cut their basic salaries by halve.
He recalled that former presidents Umaru Yar’Adua and Goodluck Jonathan had cut their salaries and that of their ministers by 25 per cent each, which meant the officials currently earned 50 per cent less salaries.

“Now, in the face of current harsh economic realities, some politicians are saying that 50 per cent should be removed from their salaries to appease Nigerians.

“This implies that if you plus the current 50 per cent reduction demand and the already removed 50 per cent which was never restored by the previous administrations; it will amount to 100 per cent reduction.

......(NAN)

WOW!!!!! I can't believe this shocked

is this the kind of crazy mathematics that has been driving Oshiomole's arguments on Nigerian finances??

Jeeeez.....to think that this dull fella was actually arguing aggressively with Ngozi Okonji Iwealla undecided

what manner of dumb mathematics is this?

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Politics › Re: Governors Have Refused To Declare Their Assets, Says Bureau Boss by esere826: 6:25pm On Jul 02, 2015

The Chairman of CCB, Mr Sam Saba, expressed the concern in an interview with NAN in Abuja.....

.........“The people we are having problem with now are some governors, but I cannot be categorical in terms of statistics except I confirm .”
Saba said he had demanded to know the number of governors that had declared their assets from state directors of the bureau.
The CCB boss then blamed the delay by some governors to declare their assets to their failure to study the constitution.

Extremely incompetent chairman
jeez ...there are only 36 states in Nigeria
how difficult is it to get at least some approximate statistics

Politics › Re: El-rufai Declares N90bn Assets, Owns 40 Houses In Abuja, Kaduna - The Union by esere826: 11:29am On Jul 02, 2015

Uneasy Calm Pervades Kaduna Following Declaration Of N90 Billion Assets By The Governor

Idibia Gabriel, Kaduna

Governor Nasir ElRufai of Kaduna State has declared his asset. He is worth N90 billion. The governor’s assets declaration came as a big shock to most Kaduna residents yesterday as he allegedly declared ownership of 40 mansions, most of which are located in Abuja. Kaduna State Director Code of Conduct Bureau, George David, however, declined to comment when contacted....

calm down guys
there is something called forecast asset declaration theory wink

the theory states that when you get into government, declare assets worth what you forecast that you will live government with so that you are not probed

Politics › Re: Amaechi Shines At A Cowboy Dinner In Lagos (photos) by esere826: 8:36pm On Jul 01, 2015

anonimi:
Most of us do not realise the SOFT neo-colonialism these type of things represent and take away how we value our own culture by praising that of others.

Men,.....Thanks for noticing this
I was in shock when i saw the pictures, then i rapidly scrolled through the comments to see if anyone noticed what i was seeing
i encountered one disastrous comment after the other
and thank God I finally saw your comment,.. that you noticed something amiss
With folks thinking like you around,... we still have some hope

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Family › Re: #beingfemaleinnigeria Trending On Twitter. How True Are These Tweets? by esere826: 1:12pm On Jul 01, 2015

well done ladies. keep grin

it up

anyway sha..in another tori
a number of Nigerian girls in the UK, with all the freedom and equality at their disposal ran back home to Nigeria when they had reached a certain age without hooking a man

some of the complaints that I have heard include..
1) the guys for UK no know the meaning of marriage. Na only how to date even into their 60's
2) the Nigerian guys in UK most times have done introduction for girls back home and have not told them
3) the guys in the UK no sabi toast like 9ja boys. They stay a distance and smile most times.
4) the guys in the UK no know say dey suppose spend money for girls. They are very happy for you to spend on them instead

5) The guys in the UK no dey go church
6) the female competition in the UK is much. Gals of all classes, races and sizes are available at the beck and call of guys. And the guys don't need to spend money which makes it even worse.
7) Gals on the plum side are not in high demand in the UK. In fact if not because of Beyoncé, men no for dey look them
8 ) In Nigeria, if gal wan date guy she might spend some time (weeks or months) doing shakara but still giving the guy green light. This is allowed and even appreciated by the males. For UK, no ways... the 2 exchange "I like you" , and the guy expects to sleep with the girl on the second or 3rd date max.

anyway sha..... I think we generally threat our ladies unfairly in Nigeria. I've always felt this way

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Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Come To Bring Peace Or Not? by esere826: 10:20pm On Jun 29, 2015

OLAADEGBU:
Did Jesus come to bring peace or not?

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household (Matthew 10:34-36) and (Luke 12:51,52).
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you: not as the world gives, give I to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid" (John 14:27)
"Salt is good: but if the salt has lost his saltiness, wherewith will you season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace with one another" (Mark 9:50).

.

He was saying that when some members of a family believe in him, and some don't, it will cause division of loyalty between them.
...The gospel initially put a sword between brothers in Africa. The gospel is presently putting a sword between families in the north, when some turn to Christ.

In order words, Christ is saying that he'll bring peace into the core of individuals, but this will turn people against the individual, and even that person against others. You can see this happening a lot in the religious section even between fellow christians

So he goes further to say that peace is like salt. It is called peace because it is peaceful. You can't call a troublesome person peaceful even if he is full of the Holy Spirit.
Therefore though the tendency of being a christian tends to put you on a war path with everything and everyone, you should try to stir up the part of you that whispers "shalom". Calm the storm around you with peace.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Biblical Joseph, The First And Greatest 419 Story Ever Told. by esere826: 8:23pm On Jun 28, 2015

plaetton:
It's all there in black and white in the bible, how Joseph, using his official position in the Pharoah's court, craftfully swindled ordinary Egyptians of their land, and then enslaved them to work in same lands for him just for their daily sustenance.
It is a manual on how to turn your landlord into your slave.

I hear the Southwest of Nigeria feel that the South East of Nigeria want to do this same thing to them in their own land

...umhhhhh

Jobs/Vacancies › Re: Should I Accept Or Reject This Offer? by esere826: 4:52pm On Jun 27, 2015

Beckybeky:
So I went to an interview and after discussing with the potential employer, I realize it was a marketing job. In order to ascertain my ability to the job, he asked me to write down strategies I would use to market the product.

I had no problem with this so I went ahead and did so.

After reading it, he said he's not yet convinced. He gave me some flyers and said I should do what I can to get a particular number of clients within a given period. This is not free as I would be paid a certain sum of money. He also gave me some money for tfare.
What am able to bring in will determine if I get to continue or not.

Now my question is: Is this right? Do I have to prove myself before I get a job, apart from the normal interview process?

Pls mature advice needed, as I'm thinking of returning the damn money and flyers to them. Is there something I should have done that I didn't do?

sales job is not the best job, especially when your basic salary is very small or none existent, and the bulk of your earnings is based on commission on the sales that you bring in.

....this is something a number of school leavers don't know>>
You can come together with a group of friends and actually do sales jobs for yourselves instead of for an employer
you guys can even hire others and pay them based on what they bring in
its that simple

Christianity Etc › Re: My Whatsapp Chat With A New Young Pastor In My Church As Regard Tithing by esere826: 11:43am On Jun 26, 2015*

vooks:
[/size]I used to be a rabid anti-tithing crusader. I was probably reacting angrily to the lies that had been shoved down my throat with such force and eloquence. Nowadays I don't tithe but this is my take;

1. Tithing your income is not a sin. Nor is Sunday/Saturday/Friday worship. You don't violate ANY of God's Word by doing any of these.
2. Tithing and Sunday worship are no express commandments or commandments of any sort
3. Both tithing and Sunday worship are BENEFICIAL; they inculcate discipline and inject into a Christian's life some form of predictability.
4. Tithing and Sunday worship as Christian traditions rooted in Torah. You will never find any command anywhere to meet on any day but you find Christians meeting on Sabath at first and later on the First Day/Sunday
5. Both tithing and Sunday worship have been abused and used to make believers guilty by ministers. You have some Christians who believe one can't be born again and hold a Sunday job, or skipping Sunday worship is inviting God's wrath. All God requires is regular assembly as per Hebrews with no commandment on the frequency or days. With tithing, all God requires is supporting the ministers of the gospel. No minimum is stipulated
6. Both tithing and Sunday worship are despised by some believers generally who latch on the act that they are no commandment to ignore them with contempt
7. There is shocking ignorance among believers concerning both Tithing and Sunday worship. Many simply assume they are commandments, and they never bother to validate these beliefs from the scriptures. This is why anti-tithers and SDAs easily corner tither and Sunday worshippers. So you may win either argument not necessarily because you are smart or right but because your debater is largely ignorant of the subject
8. Solution to Abuse of tithing and Sunday worship should be proper use and not necessarily disuse

PS: I have used interlaced my response with Sunday worship which was not the subject. This is no digression but to demonstrate similar principles and attitudes underlying both

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You've said it all
They are definitely not sins and definitely not commandments either
I've always maintained this stand

They are actually traditions which make sense in our present dispensation
traditions are great for structure, purpose and discipline like you rightly said, and I believe that God does not frown at them if they do not distort his glory.

However, I don't agree when people try to create some biblical doctrine out of tithing.
The logic does not fly, especially when you realise that Abraham was recorded to have tithed only once from loots -for those that claim that it is a pass down from Abraham;
And the Jews form of tithing is certainly not what we have in the church today -for those that say it is our inheritance in a spiritual Israel

I believe that tithing in our dispensation is simply a prophetic desire of God in order for the kingdom to achieve some goals
no need for folks trying to quote bible on top am as if say we be zombie wen no get sense
Prophetic utterance don't really need a distrortion of logic. It is what it is
In the start of the Apostolic ministry, the prophetic desire for Peter's 'headed' church was for them to sell their belongings and lay it down at the feet of the apostles for onward distribution. This had no precedence.
While for Paul's ministry, they gave willingly to him, and he even went about working to earn money.

I am also of the view that when the wind (Spirit) changes from tithing to something else
then we should be girded ready to be blown in the new direction, not our MOG's and followers holding on desperately to tithing

I don't tithe. I've tried to previously, but for me it brought condemnation (maybe because of the way I think) so I stopped.
I understand the need for financing the Kingdom, and so make pledges which could be more or less than Tithes (I try to make it more based on realistic calculations). This edifies me more.
If 2mrw I sense the wind (Spirit) blowing me in the tithing direction I will do so without recourse to convoluted doctrines

The calling of Peter and Paul were different. One could eat unclean things, while the other could not
David ate priests bread and lived, while Uzzah tried to help the ark of the covenant and died
Zacariah questioned Gabriel about his good news and went dumb, wheres Mary did the same and Gabriel spread mat start to explain the process give am

God deals with us differently according to his grace and purpose for us.

..may God continue to prosper those who prosper his Kingdom

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Politics › Re: Understanding Saraki, Tinubu And APC's Structural Harakiri by esere826(op): 4:58pm On Jun 25, 2015

double post

Politics › Re: Understanding Saraki, Tinubu And APC's Structural Harakiri by esere826(op): 4:57pm On Jun 25, 2015

What to expect in the future

My prediction is this:
As long as Tinubu tries to consolidate power to himself, and Buhari does not intefer in support of either party
This rebellion will continue

By now, I am sure that Buhari has been briefed by his strategists about the power play that is going on,
and the need to be neutral in order to curb Tinubu's strangle hold over the party.

Politics › Re: Understanding Saraki, Tinubu And APC's Structural Harakiri by esere826(op): 4:55pm On Jun 25, 2015

Desperation to survive

Seeing that the leadership of the APC was made up of mainly of Tinubu's loyalist,
they slowly began to realise that typical of Tinubu,
they would soon be squeezed out of power within the APC structure in order that Tinibu's power is consolidated.

True to his nature which people ascribe to talent-hunting,
Tinubu's APC inspired leadership started to make choices for legislative positions
the choices were people who were already pro-Tinubu or would end up becoming pro-tinubu
and help him tighten his grip on the APC structure.

The none-conformists members of APC would have none of that.
Not wanting to go the Ikimi way, they rebelled to remain relevant.
This is what you find playing out now

Politics › Re: Understanding Saraki, Tinubu And APC's Structural Harakiri by esere826(op): 4:54pm On Jun 25, 2015

Tinubu de' Machiavelli

Tinubu the master strategist practically singlehandedly used this machavilian qualities in building the APC.
In forging the APC into formidable political machine,
he pushed his peers such as Ikimi who would have been a challenge to him out of strategic positions,
and consequently out of the party,
while drawing close to himself those he felt would be loyal such as Oyegun, Osibanjo and Tambuwal.

However, in order to weaken the PDP structure and enhance his own political fortunes,
he had to engage rebel politicians from the PDP such as Atiku, Saraki and Obasanjo .

His strategy paid off brilliantly.
The enablers (mostly ex PDP members) who typical are not people that desire to owe their loyalty to anyone,
and who desire to be treated as equals,
soon began to understand the Tinubu personality.

Politics › Understanding Saraki, Tinubu And APC's Structural Harakiri by esere826(op): 4:54pm On Jun 25, 2015

The power structure of the APC

APC is a party just like the PDP, but unlike the PDP,
what differentiates APC is the way it was formed around 2 personalities.

The parties core is made up of Tinubu and Buhari,
while the other camps are mere enablers.

Whereas Buhari's CPC arm of the party is driven by a kind of cult following and an unforced loyalty to the man Buhari
The Tinubu's ACN camp is one were Tinubu commands loyalty.

He rewards those who he feels will be loyal to him,
and pushes out those who do not bow before him or that he suspects would challenge his authority.
However, he is happy to use such people to get what he wants,
then dumps them when he feels the need to.

This is the context of the present on goings in the APC.

Christianity Etc › Re: Bill Cosby Put's Victoria Osteen In Her Place. by esere826: 6:59am On Jun 24, 2015

chiedu7:
Joel Osteen is a Freemason

you sha, you opened a dead thread and started labeling those of us that do not share your view. In effect, you were not interested in sharing opinions in the first place

me na anti-christ
Joel na freemason
you na chained mason i guess

I'll exit your thread, and let the dead bury the dead wink

Politics › Re: The Next Northern Messiah -kwankwaso? by esere826(op): 6:54am On Jun 24, 2015

ItsMeAboki:
,,,,,,,,,Its amazing that none of them seems to understand SARCASM but deliberately (out of mischief) or otherwise take Kwankwaso's words literally on his alleged mobilisation of 1.9 (2) million almajiri votes. It is also sad that these educated illiterates prefer to take only this short portion from his entire speech and interpret it out of context.
......

Ahhh sarcasm at PEJ,.... now i get it. ,,,honestly
it s probably a cultural thing that I and many could not get this ... no vex

much like the "dog and baboon soaked in blood" statement that we couldn't get too

make i tease you small, for not being able to explain a point without resorting to insults
..you're one of the 2 million almajiris, right wink

Politics › Re: The Next Northern Messiah -kwankwaso? by esere826(op): 10:44pm On Jun 23, 2015

laudate:
You missed the point in Shaka Momodu's article on Kwakwanso. His point was that Kwakwanso is a man that cannot be trusted because he elevates treachery and betrayal, to a high art. Please read the article again.

I read it.
My emphasis is not on the point of the article
but on some salient issues raised by Shaka while building his case, and the associated comments regarding the salient points I noticed.

Its something like this
A man takes his wife before the elders and wants permission to divorce her, his POINT is on the divorce and the return of his dowry
However in building his case, he mentions that his wife Clara uses padded buttocks

An elder who has been eyeing Clara's bum to take over in order to satisfy his ageing craving,
might be more interested in that nondescript information about her padded buttocks

You see my approach?

Christianity Etc › Re: Bill Cosby Put's Victoria Osteen In Her Place. by esere826: 10:30pm On Jun 23, 2015*

chiedu7:
Read the above

wean yourself off KJV. it is poetic alright buy uses old English. plus its scholarship is quite dated.
Old wine should not be used in new skin remember!

"For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases Him "

When i read this version, what i interpret it as, is same as what Victoria Osteen said
and even what you yourself have said.
the only difference between Victoria and you is that:

1) you take away the human element and make the pleasures of God a stand-alone for His benefit only.And then try to demean her
2) while she considers (emphasises) the nature of man in the equation and does not attempt to demean anyone in the process

But this is what the verse interprets as

"God makes you feel happy doing what makes him feel happy
so in pleasing (or trying to pelase) yourself in Godly things you end up pleasing God
and in trying to please God, you end up pleasing yourself'

....it is a win, win for both parties

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Politics › Re: The Next Northern Messiah -kwankwaso? by esere826(op): 9:35pm On Jun 23, 2015

gwales:
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