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MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was never accepted as the Messiah by the Jewish nation so they can't accept him as King or Highpriest but among faithful Jews they knew Jesus fulfilled many prophecies that has to do with the Messiah and don't forget what happened at his birth Cheldians traveled all the way from the East to come and do Obeisance to the one born King of the Jews!

After Jesus had been born in Bethʹle·hem of Ju·deʹa in the days of Herod the king, look! astrologers from the East came to Jerusalem,  saying: “Where is the one born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when we were in the East, and we have come to do obeisance to him.” At hearing this, King Herod was agitated, and all Jerusalem with him. Matthew 2:2-3

Astrologers saw a star that has never been seen before from the far East pointing to the birth of a great king of the Jews angels announced his birth to shepherds {Luke 2:8-14} and prophets in Jerusalem's temple confirmed that this child is the Messiah. Luke 2:25-38

So my friend i know that you are a Muslim and Islam doesn't teach you much about the Messiah that's why you are saying all these but if you are sincere with yourself you will know from all these accounts that there has never been born anyone like Jesus of Nazareth!

What impact did the astrologers have on the people other than this singular incident at his birth? Who again referred to this astrologers in the 30+ years of Jesus life?

Jesus was never accepted as Messiah by the Jews yet the whole world should accept him? How?

MaxInDHouse:
The first mention of anointing was Aaron the Highpriest of Israel and God never asked them to choose a king it was rebellion against God's arrangement that led Israelites into demanding for a King. 1Samuel 8:1-18

Since God's purpose for the salvation of mankind is the Messiah who will serve as Highpriest and King just like Melchizedek then anyone who is going to rule over His people must be anointed to foreshadow the presence of Messiah in their midst.

So no one served as King and priest at the same time because that privilege is for no one except the Christ (Messiah)

Stop misbehaving. Jesus was neither formally recognized as a king or priest during his life unless the claimed mockery at his alleged crucifixion is what you refer to.

David was acknowledged as a prophet in Acts

PROVERBZ:
This issue of monotheism is not an issue in Christianity. We believe in the true God and not in 'one God'. However God is one which implies monotheism, but this is not an issue in Christianity.
The main focus is the worship of the true God.
But, the way Muslims are fixated on this 'montheism' revealed something to me. In the Bible the devil Aka anto christ in obsessed with monotheism. I also heard Mohamed considered Persian religion to be true because it was monotheistic.
Ans Muslims male claims that budah was a prophet from Allah etc.
Take a look at this verses.

Are you for real?

Is Christianity now not a monotheist religion due to your excesses in the trinity?

Do you attest to this by your statement that you do not believe in one God?

MaxInDHouse:
The point is clear David was never anointed to serve as prophet so during his life time no one thought of David as prophet he was a shepherd boy who later became a king he was not serving as prophet.

As for the Messiah he will serve as Highpriest and King just like Melchizedek! Psalms 110:4

You should list all your recognised prophet in your Bible or Christianity and classify them into those categorically annointed and those who were not.

Then ask if David impacted any prophetic guidance as King of Israel

MaxInDHouse:
Good point you raised there!

But do you remember that David was never considered a prophet in his life time?

He was inspired to sing about future events but Nathan was the prophet serving when David was king of Israel but as for the Messiah nobody will serve as Highpriest or King except him when he begins his rule!

Oh! Because Nathan was a prophet there could be no other prophet in existence at the same time?

You don't understand that there are different reasons for anointing and place a narrow view on this?

MaxInDHouse:
The Jews knew what "ANOINTED" means but in the case of the Messiah God promised the Israelites that one will have a double portion unlike all other humans who has been anointed before him.

Anointing is for two offices in Israel the office of the Highpriest and that of a King so talking about anointing an Israelite could be anointed as the Highpriest in Israel or anointed as King but the promised Messiah will have double anointing because he will serve as Highpriest and King simultaneously.

That is what king David himself knew before addressing this Messiah as "Lord"

"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek." Psalms 110:1-4

The highlighted in blue shows how David who himself is an anointed highly revere the promised Messiah while the highlighted in green shows that the real Messiah will serve as both Highpriest and King just like Melchizedek.

Thanks for reading our book your book God's word the Bible!

Elisha was not a prophet anointed by Elijah?

1 Kings 19:16


David was both anointed to be king and considered a prophet because of the psalms

You make bold to say that there are not anointing for different purposes outside priesthood and kingship?

PROVERBZ:
I am going to pretend as if I do not know of this specific messiah and just assume that everybody God has had dealings with is a messiah. I want to understand why the title is exclusively used only for Jesus carrying along the same Jewish and Christian tradition that claims this prophesied messiah is tasked with a special duty?

Why Is nobody else anointed or described ad anointed asides Jesus in the quran?

Do you know what the intertestamental period Is?

Do you not know that the Israelites had strayed from their path before Jesus emerged as a prophet, marked by spiritual disunity, moral decay, and a disregard for prophetic teachings?

Did Jesus not come to guide the Israelites back to true monotheism or your Bible is devoid of him stating that God is one and testifying to the truth of the older scripture?

https://www.learnreligions.com/who-is-the-anointed-one-in-the-bible-363390


Read and be enlighten

PROVERBZ:
Notice how u have reduced the title messiah, to mean everybody that was supposedly anointed by God because it did not fit the messiah in Islam.

Now I will ask u this question, why is this specifically used for isah in the quran. Why wasn't Mohamed also given this title?

Know your faith properly first. See image


Are there verses I have quoted for you false? Perhaps you should read them in Hebrew

PROVERBZ:
The messiah concept in Islam is also another Dilema for Islam. Messiah means anointed one and was used to refer to a savior. The jews were waiting for a miilitary savior to save them from the Roman's and the Christians expected him to make atonement for their transgressions there by granting salvation and saving them from the fires of hell. Now, my question is, what is Isah anointed to save in Islam? From the account of Islam, he was the most useless prophet ever. His message got missing, didn't do nothing etc.
Why is he the messiah?

Why all this dilemmas??

You will need to first tackle this problem you claim from the Bible.

Are there people other than Jesus referred to messiah (anointed) in your Bible?

The term Messiah comes from the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means anointed one isn't it?

1 Samuel 24:6 (referring to King Saul)
He said to his men, 'The Lord forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the Lord’s anointed, or lay my hand on him; for he is the anointed of the Lord.

2 2 Samuel 23:1 (referring to King David)
These are the last words of David: 'The inspired utterance of David son of Jesse, the utterance of the man exalted by the Most High, the man anointed by the God of Jacob.

3 Isaiah 45:1
This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut.

4 1 Kings 19:16 (Elisha)
Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet.


In the Old Testament, the term messiah is not limited to a future savior. It serves as a title for anyone chosen by God for a specific divine purpose, including kings, priests, and leaders.

Now did Jesus not have a specific purpose for Israel?


Islam regards Isa (Jesus) as a significant prophet and messenger, divinely supported and known as Al-Masih (the Messiah). However, it does not accept the ideas of his divinity, atonement, or a mission to create a spiritual kingdom as understood in Christianity. The Islamic perspective highlights Isa’s role in reinforcing monotheism and preparing for the final revelation delivered by Prophet Muhammad pbuh

advocatejare:
Are you aware that Muhammad snorted like a camel when he was receiving his so called revelation in a difficult and disturbing manner?

Your spiritual and psychological barriers people create when rejecting the truth, indicating their unwillingness to understand or accept divine guidance.

I wish you deliverance and the best going forward

advocatejare:
Are you aware that Muhammad confessed that jinn/demon lived inside him?

I wonder if it has a pleasing effect on your neurons repeatedly making false and baseless claims to draw worthless engagement?

advocatejare:
I know a lunatic demon-possessed false prophet recommended it to his foolish followers as a form of treatment.

Same characteristic factless slander.

advocatejare:
Go and ask AntiChristian that foolish question cos the two of you are Muslims who are antagonizing each other on camel urine as a medicine

So you are essentially blabbing about what you no very little about?

advocatejare:
Are you saying that Muslims don’t drink camel urine to follow the recommendation Muhammad gave to some people in the Hadith?

AntiChristian just posted an article which states that Muhammad recommended camel urine to his companions who were suffering from abdominal pain but you want to come and do Taqiyya here

“The religious aspect of using camel urine in treatment comes from the fact that there has been convincing evidence that the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) suggested the use of camel urine to treat his companions who were suffering from abdominal pains at that time.”

First you all say Taqqiya and more likely don't understand the meaning.

Then in what context was the urine recommended? Was this a general recommendation?

advocatejare:
can you tell us why Muslims are drinking camel urine and calling it prophetic medicine?

I don't drink camel urine and know no Muslims that do. You make the allegation against the generality of Muslims and cannot substantiate your claim.

advocatejare:
W.H.O. has come out to say that drinking camel urine is harmful to humans yet you choose to continue to belief the lies of an illiterate, demon-possessed lunatic who lived more than 1400 years ago. May God cure you of stupidity:

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/06/10/stop-drinking-camel-urine-world-health-organization-says

Regardless of the topic of this thread can you tell if there's a general recommendation for or instruction to Muslims to drink camel urine?

AntiisIam:
Ahahahaha so all these questions hard for Muhammad and allah to answer through you? Aswear you're a big disgrace to humanity and Islam at large

When the one that asks plays too dumb to understand I recall your Proverbs 26 and make better use of my time.

AntiisIam:
Islam has ruined and destroyed your life beyond repair. Next time, bring your chief imam along whenever you want to have discussions with Antiislam

You're too cheap for me to handle. MASS ALARM

It will make no difference to your expensive deaf and dumb spirit

AntiisIam:
In your previous response you said in pre-islamic period, most of the pagans arab worshiped other gods and idols along with allah which means that allah was recognized as an idol before Muhammad brought Islam.

The question before you is that why is this same allah that was recognized as an idol in pre-islamic era your supreme deity forced on you by the founder of islam?




Let's see who the spirit of deaf and dumb is disturbing his life.

These are the questions you're running away for, if the spirit of deaf and dumb is not disturbing your life, answer all the questions



Let's behold who is deaf and dumb between you and I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwQHJxew2E?si=7dS4lzyt_EvaZDZ4

AntiisIam:
Why is your Islamic supreme deity (allah) named after an idol that was written in Isaiah 44:9?

Muhammad inherited an idol from his idolaters father, Abdullahi and made it your Islamic supreme deity. You're speaking up for allah Muhammad forced on you not knowing that your pedophile messenger has blindfolded you with lies, you're ignorant to your own shame as you couldn't defend why allah was named after an idol in pre-islamic period

Allah is the one, supreme, and all-encompassing deity, different from any idol or tribal god. Even in pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was recognized as the "God above gods" and recognized as the Creator. However, the pure monotheism introduced by Islam represented a significant change from the pre-Islamic practices, where people would associate partners with Allah by worshiping idols and lesser deities.

May Jesus deliver you from the deaf and dumb spirit that bewitches you

Mark 9:25
And when Jesus saw that a multitude came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I command thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him

Allah is sufficient for me and all my trust is in him.

AntiisIam:
Is using question to answer question the only thing you learnt from your late messenger right?

I asked many questions none of them you answered. Muhammad must be ashamed of you in grave

You attempt a claim to be better do answer or the spec in your own eye cannot be removed?

You are obviously trying to avoid exposure that you lie when you claim not to understand.

I don't know you personally talk less of the Sunday school you claim to teach in so will very less likely come across your Sunday school student who hopefully won't say his Sunday school teacher using the pseudonym on nairaland comfortably lies.

AntiisIam:
My student at Sunday School Children unit will explain Isaiah 44:9 for you but before then, why not answer my question

Why is your Islamic supreme deity (allah) named after an idol?

Explain what I ask you about Isaiah first. It is very relevant to our early discussion.

AntiisIam:
This was what I asked



Here is your response



How does your response solve the questions I asked?

Do you understand?
Isaiah 44
9: All who make idols are nothing,and the things they treasure are worthless.Those who would speak up for them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame.


10 Who shapes a god and casts an idol, which can profit nothing?

Explain it to me if you do. Then you will understand.

I think your problem is where the message comes from .

AntiisIam:
This was what I asked



Here is your response



How does your response solve the questions I asked?

Read and think to understand. You are supposed to be a higher animal with intelligence and intellect

AntiisIam:
So Hinduism you saw therein was posted there right?

You are a disgrace to your fellow slaves

Didn't you just post your comment above?
Who stopped you?

Pathetic reasoning.
Indeed you have been a miserable waste of time.

If and when you are able to provide irrefutable and verifiable proof to your mad rants we may relate again. Until then get a good learning.

Explore2xmore:
Do you not know Wikipedia is open source and any body can post anything? Who verifies or validates what is written.

Simple find where Hisham ibn al-Kalbi's Book of Idols states Hinduism existed in pre-islamic Arabia and stop this delusional diarrhea.

Maybe you should search your Wikipedia for Hinduism in pre-islamic Arabia as I find you unable to do though research or search on your own.

AntiisIam:
I understand your run away tactic. Mind you, it won't work here


Why is your Islamic supreme deity (allah) named after an idol?

Let me st seeart with you from there

See yourself?

Simple provision of proof you can not provide

AntiisIam:
Hope you see the picture attached or allah has blindfolded you again?

Do you not know Wikipedia is open source and any body can post anything? Who verifies or validates what is written.

Simple find where Hisham ibn al-Kalbi's Book of Idols states Hinduism existed in pre-islamic Arabia and stop this delusional diarrhea.

Maybe you should search your Wikipedia for Hinduism in pre-islamic Arabia as I find you unable to do though research or search on your own.

AntiisIam:
This boy sha, is like you're new here on NL. You don't know Antiislam aswear

As you claim to be a non lazy reader despite your propensity to misrepresent the truth, show in clear terms from the books you alleged due to poor Wikipedia representation convincing refutation to:

Hisham ibn al-Kalbi's Book of Idols mainly examines the polytheistic beliefs that were common in Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. Although it references several deities that the Arabs worshipped during that period, it does not offer direct evidence or mention Hinduism as a separate religion that was practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia.

The Encyclopedia of Indian Religions offers detailed insights into various Indian religions, including their historical backgrounds and influences that extend beyond India. It explores the interactions between Indian religions and neighboring cultures but does not provide conclusive evidence that Hinduism was practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia.

AntiisIam:
This boy sha, is like you're new here on NL. You don't know Antiislam aswear

You definitely need to go back to school. Tell if you wouldn't lie how (You called those arab pagans "venerate" beings) equates to the sentence (those who venerate beings or objects apart from Allah)? Where in the latter bracket are Arab pagans referred to as venerate beings?















You confused yourself with your response as there appears to be serious mix ups in your comprehension of English.

AntiisIam:
I should show you what you wrote, you know what? Scroll up and read all your comments from the beginning. You'll surely see it there

Present the proof or it's another case of your fabrication as I found you out in relation to what you alleged of Asad by deliberately omitting the condition of the previous verse?

State the proofs from Wikipedia you present let's validate.

AntiisIam:
You called those arab pagans "venerate" beings.. It seems you're just typing without going through what you typed


According to the Book of Idols by the medieval Arab scholar Hisham ibn al-Kalbi, Hinduism was present in pre-Islamic Arabia. Ibn Al-Kalbi explains the origins of idol worshipping and the practice of circumambulation as rooted in India and Hinduism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_the_Middle_East#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Book%20of,rooted%20in%20India%20and%20Hinduism.

Can you directly show me proof of what you claim I wrote in your first paragraph?


Hisham ibn al-Kalbi did not provide concrete archaeological evidence that directly connects Hindu practices to pre-Islamic Arabian societies. Much of the available evidence is circumstantial or interpretative, rather than conclusive. Do well to prove otherwise.


While there were indeed interactions between Arabian tribes and Indian cultures through trade routes, there is insufficient concrete evidence to support the notion that Hinduism was an organized religion in pre-Islamic (pre Prophet Muhammad pbuh) Arabia. The archaeological record does not back this claim, and early literary sources do not clearly indicate the presence of Hindu religious practices in the region prior to the rise of Islam.