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In ancient Near Eastern cultures, it was common for people to bow or prostrate themselves before kings or deities as a gesture of respect and submission.

Bowing serves as a physical gesture that conveys submission, reverence, and worship. In the ancient Near Eastern cultures, including that of the Israelites, bowing was a widely accepted way to show respect to gods or figures of authority.

Moses: In Exodus 34:8, after receiving God’s commandments, Moses immediately bows down to the ground in worship.

David: In 1 Chronicles 29:20, David instructs the entire assembly to bless the Lord their God, prompting them to bow down and prostrate themselves before Him.

Solomon: During the temple dedication in 2 Chronicles 7:3, Solomon guides the people in bowing their heads and prostrating themselves before the Lord.

In Exodus 20:5–6, God instructs His people not to bow down to other gods but to serve Him exclusively.

This provides a strong warning against idolatry, emphasizing that bowing should be reserved for worship and loyalty to Yahweh alone.

Should there be any problem if reference is made to any part of the Bible that carries a theme emphasizing the supremacy of the almighty God above all?

MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie!

That's why you can't find it in any scriptures of the Hebrews where they are praying for dead people because it's the works they did while they are alive that will continue to be their lot afterwards, it's paganism that allows praying for dead people because they don't know what their gods could do about the dead.
If someone has been blessed by the Almighty God neither your prayer or curse can have any impact in the judgement of such a person.
You see this is the reason i found it really difficult to wrap that religion over my head because it makes no practical sense!

You say Muhammad has been blessed but there is no proof, he died through poisoning, all his children were killed in his life time, his followers later began fighting and killing one another after his death.
Please which of all these proves this Arab man had God's blessing?

You're free to close your eyes to the truth but you can't compel right thinking individuals to join you in your delusion there is nothing to write home about that man or his god.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob declared that this people are blessed that's why the whole world including those Arabs wants to relate with them by force!

Peak of hypocrisy.

MaxInDHouse:
Please i will love short and straightforward answers

MaxInDHouse:
Yet you are all praying for him and his family!



Ọmọ if this Arab man doesn't need prayers then why are you always praying for him when you go for salat nah?

Indeed you didn't understand before and are still incapable of understanding. Whether you send prayers to him or not he is already blessed.
We however do not exaggerate praising him as you have done with Jesus. How many people actually saw him when he returned to establish the Jehovah witness?

MaxInDHouse:
You're lying to your own soul!

Davido gave Chioma his assurance before the whole world now how would you describe someone who feels like begging Davido to stick to his promise which he made publicly to Chioma?
Even Chioma can compel Davido to grant the request of someone else because of the love he has for her.
That's imperfect humans but you are saying God whose words has the greatest of all guarantee that you still need to continue pleading for Him to grant what He Himself assured His beloved prophet. Who are you and what pedigree do you have to intercede for God's prophet? Shouldn't it have been the other way around?
Ọmọ Muslims praying for Muhammad shows your faith in Islam is futile if you're still praying for the prophet who brought that religion!

Pathetic comparison because I expose you of being just a claimed Muslim who never new Islam?
Please show proof that prophet Muhammad pbuh is in need of our prayers.
You may take this up elsewhere let the OP have the honour of maintaining his actual thread.

MaxInDHouse:
So Muhammad who pleased your Allah and got assurance from your Allah still needs the prayers of people who are supposed to look up to his example for salvation!

Well that's not respect but lack of faith in your Allah Jehovah assured those following Jesus {Matthew 17:5} and Jesus assured those with him! Matthew 28:18

It's clear you people are taught to pity your prophet but Jesus doesn't need anyone's prayers neither his disciples because they've been assured of their salvation!

For someone feigning concerns about non concise responses. Regardless of wheher prophet Muhammad pbuh is prayed for or not he is assured.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm as calm as ever!

So if Muhammad pleased Allah throughout his life and Allah assured Muhammad then why do Muslims have to pray for Muhammad and his household?

This is simply a sign of respect and love for him, as well as acknowledging the significant role he played in propagating the message of Islam

MaxInDHouse:
Please i will love short and straightforward answers because that's what no Muslim has ever given me back in Islam instead they often turn to stories which can't blur my sense when i'm inquisitive about something.
So answer these questions without delay!


[1] Did Muhammad seek Allah's pleasure?

[2] What assurance did Allah give Muhammad?

Calm down.

1. Yes, the Prophet Muhammad pbuh upon sought Allah's pleasure throughout his life.

2. Allah provided several assurances to Prophet Muhammad pbuh throughout his life and mission.

Allah reassures Muhammad pbuh of the great reward awaiting the believers in Paradise with him having a distinguished rank amongst the believers.

MaxInDHouse:
Back in Islam i was taught to believe that God can't be pleased no matter what we do even if we obey all His commandments that's why Muhammed couldn't guarantee the salvation of Muslims hence he told them that Allah can do whatever pleases him leaving faithful, sincere and honest hearted Muslims at a cross road but from the day i read Jesus' last words to his disciples i began seeking more information about this Jesus of Nazareth.

I wonder how you resorted to this.

The pleasure of Allah represents the ultimate aspiration for His creations. The essence of religion lies in obeying Allah and striving for His pleasure. This emphasizes that seeking Allah's pleasure is both the core principle and the ultimate aim of faith.

Does this view of yours not contradict these versea if you actually came across them as a claimed Muslim of the past.
Quran 98:8
Their reward with Allah will be gardens of perpetual residence beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever, Allah being pleased with them and they with Him. That is for whoever has feared his Lord.

Quran 5:119
Allah will say, 'This is the Day when the truthful will benefit from their truthfulness.' For them are gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever, Allah being pleased with them, and they with Him. That is the great attainment."

Quran 2:222:
Indeed, Allah loves those who are constantly repentant and loves those who purify themselves

And the Hadith:
Allah is more pleased with the repentance of His servant than one of you who finds his camel after losing it in a barren desert."
This powerful analogy illustrates the overwhelming joy Allah feels when a sinner repents, emphasizing His mercy and willingness to forgive.

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Firstly, the verse you provided and the hadeeth you provided from Bukhari speak of two different veins or arteries when looking at the Arabic text (the Qur’aan uses “al-wateen” while the hadeeth uses “al-abhar”). This alone disproves the claim; however, why allow an opportunity to completely obliterate this claim to go to waste?

Now if we are to understand the verses you have provided correctly, they actually reinforce the truthfulness of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as found in numerous other verses:

“By the star when it descends, Your companion has not strayed, nor has he erred, Nor does he speak from [his own] desires, It is not but a revelation revealed” (Qur’aan / An-Najm 53:1-4)

“Indeed Allaah shall fulfill the true vision which He showed to His Messenger in very truth…” (Qur’aan / Al-Fath 48:27)

“Truly, you are one of the messengers” (Qur’aan / Yaa-Seen 36:3)

“Nay! he has come with the truth and he confirms the messengers.” (Qur’aan / As-Saaffaat 37:37)

Furthermore, with regard to this verse:

“And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta)”

This is to be understood (according to both tafsir ibn Katheer and Tabari) that if anything/any part was false or forged, it would have been a swift punishment or occurrence of having the aorta cut, which would cause instant death. It would not be delayed until after the message had been completely delivered, and in this case, perfected as Allaah later revealed in the Qur’aan:

“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” (Qur’aan / Al-Maa’idah 5:3)

Allaah did not cut the aorta of the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), plain and simple and the prophet (PBUH) did not hve his aorta cut!

And a few fitting return questions to you then would be:

1). why would Allaah Send Blessings on a false prophet?

“Allah sends His Graces and Blessings on the prophet …” (Qur’aan / Al-Ahzaab 33:56)

2). why would Allaah say that Muhammad (PBUH) is surely a messenger and is true, if he was false?

“These are the Verses of Allah, We recite them to you in truth, and surely, you are one of the messengers.” (Qur’aan / Al-Baqarah 2:252)

“How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and after they bore witness that the messenger is true and after clear proofs had come unto them? And Allah guides not the people who are wrong-doers.” (Qur’aan / Aal-’Imraan 3:86)

“O humankind! Verily, there has come to you the messenger with the truth from your Lord, so believe in him, it is better for you. But if you disbelieve, then certainly to Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth. And Allah is Ever All Knowing, All Wise.” (Qur’aan / An-Nisaa 4:170)

3). Why would Allaah Command the believers to obey the messenger numerous times throughout the Qur’aan if he was false?

3:32 / 3:132 / 4:42 / 4:59 / 4:69 / 4:80 / 5:92 / 24:54 / 24:56 etc.

Finally, it should also be mentioned that the statement uttered by the prophet (PBUH) about his aorta being cut was a common idiom used by Arabs in that time when referring to death in any form and is not necessarily to be taken literally.

SIRTee15:
We both saying the same thing.
Allah warned he will kill Muhammed by sliding his major blood vessel- life artery, if he's ever caught lying.

And that's exactly how he died. Muhammed groaned his aorta- life artery was being severed.

Do U get it now.

What lie did he tell?

MaxInDHouse:
Books are meant to unite people in their thinking but our God's given brains is what we use to distinguish between what is inhumane and what is virtuous.

So i don't subject my brains to anything found in books when it's of no practical benefits because i know the true God won't ask people to gather and do what won't benefit them as an assembly of intelligent beings.

If any God can't resolve disparities among the worshipers such a God is worthless, useless and hopeless and there no reason to trust in whatever anyone says or write about such a God!

Has this belief of yours resolved disparities?

Are you feigning disagreement with my practice and position about Islam?

Has your belief prevented the Israeli-Hamas war?

SIRTee15:
Come let me slize your carotid artery since it's not the aorta.
Let's see if the outcome will be different from cutting your aorta.

Now you try to get it.

Once humans bite the dust they sure will push up daisies since the heart stopped

MaxInDHouse:
All what you're quoting in your book becomes useless when sincere observers noticed that it's just to bow towards a stone that matters most in your religion after all people used to bow towards metals, stones and other objects before now so what makes yours special?

Is it because Arabs wrote a book to back it up?

Do you derive a lot that guides you from the doctrine of JW and the Bible? What have you mostly been writing here on nairaland?

Do you support these with material from documented books?

SIRTee15:
So both al wateen in the Quran and Al abahr in hadith denotes blood vessels. Then what's the difference!!!!

I even thought they would mean different organs with different functions. Not knowing is same blood vessels for both words.

So a questionable medical expert says there are no differences in blood vessels?

You don't know that blood vessels in the human body come in various shapes and sizes, each with distinct structures and functions? Grasping these differences is essential for understanding blood circulation and the impact of different conditions on vascular health.

Al-Wateen as used in the Quran refers particularly to the aorta while al-abhar can refer to the aorta or other major arteries.

Al-abhar is used metaphorically as in the hadith metaphorically expresses the intensity of pain or a life-threatening condition.

The term al-abhar within Arabic language is used to describe a state of severe pain or suffering. In medical discussions, especially in traditional and alternative medicine, “al-abhar” can refer to conditions seen as debilitating or even life-threatening. It metaphorically connects to the concept of deep, penetrating pain that can impact a person's overall health and well-being.

SIRTee15:
Did U read the link I sent U on poisoning or U started your crazy unsubstantiated argument again.

Don't worry, just swallow a sip of industrial acid...just a sip. Since it's just a sip, I'm sure u will overcome the initial toxic effect on your system.
Only that we will make good money out of U treating your chronic esophagitis and gastritis till U die.
Shebi U want to prove stupid to extricate Muhammed.

Regarding what your prophet did with cupping, your answer is here...
Once again kiss the truth unless U want to tell me U know better than muhammed's companions

Bringing the same unfounded logic can 2 people sip industrial acid with one experiencing the effect immediately while the other takes years to feel it? How? Is this medically defensible?

Narrated Ibn Abbas(R.A): (The Prophet (SAWS) said), "Healing is in three things: A gulp of honey, cupping, and branding with fire." But I forbid my followers to use branding with fire.

The Prophet Muhammad (Peace And Blessings Be Upon Him) said: The finest medicine is Hijama cupping; it eliminates blood, lightens the back and sharpens the eyesight. Sunan al-Tirmidhi 3053

In Saheeh Al-Bukhari and Saheeh Muslim it is reported that Anas may Allaah be pleased with him narrated that the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, said: “Hijaamah is the perfect medical treatment.”

How many of my classmates sipped acids during secondary school practical decades ago and are still living healthy today?

advocatejare:
Carry your frustration to go and meet Sahih Muslim.

Muhammad also said that the poisoned food caused the sickness that killed him. Are you saying that Muhammad was not sane when he said that?

Referring to yourself for not understanding what you chose to post? You feel your brother, father or other people's uvula on their behalf? How did you connect your nervous system to it? By special leeching?

MaxInDHouse:
So all races on these planet are worshiping the god they know as your Allah nah.

The funny thing about you is the way and manner you will start quoting your book as if other worshipers aren't worshiping your Allah based on what is written in your book but now i'm quoting what Jesus said in the Bible for all his disciples to OBEY Instead of reasoning to understand that anyone ignoring this order is not worshiping the God that sent Jesus you're saying killers are Christians simply because they claimed so.
Why not accept that all worshipers of God/Gods are doing so for your Allah irrespective of what your Allah says in your book?

Quran 29:17: You worship idols besides God, and you fabricate falsehoods. Those you worship, instead of God, cannot provide you with livelihood. So seek your livelihood from God, and worship Him, and thank Him. To Him you will be returned.


Quran 31:13 ......, do not associate anything with God, for idolatry is a terrible wrong

When you channel your worship towards an intermediary rather than directly to God it becomes an idolatrous practices as those intermediaries overshadow the direct worship due only to God.

You practice your faith based on 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus but end up magnifying the mediator above God.

This amongst others has inadvertently led to practices that blur the lines between reverence for Christ and veneration that resembles idol worship.

Muslims pray to Allah directly as he is extremely close to us.

SIRTee15:
I think we done here - I hate it when people reject evidence because it goes against their claim.
If U want to reject your hadith, that's your business.
hiding behind medical pathophysiology to extricate your Prophet would not safe him.

Muhammed knew what killed him and he voiced it out while dying. The hadiths confirmed it.

Your hadith is clear- MUHAMMED SUFFERED FROM THE POISON EFFECT RIGHT FROM THE TIME HE INGESTED IT TILL HE DIED.
LEARN TO KISS THE TRUTH.

Now if you want us to deal with the actual pathophysiology of Muhammed's poison effect, I will educate U but first answer my question

Was Muhammed wrong to say the poison was still in his body during his terminal illness 3 yrs after consuming the poison.

Was Muhammed wrong to have attributed his terminal illness pain to the poison effect still in his body.

If the poison had left his body as U trying to claim, why did Muhammed groan that he was dying as a result of the poison effect still in his body.

Answer the questions and I will give U a proper teaching on the poison pathophysiology U confused about.

Reject evidence?

Did prophet Muhammad pbuh practice cupping for sickness?

What proof is there that all cupping done after the Khaybar expedition was for poison effect if he practiced cupping for other ailments before this?

So all bacteria as an example are equally sensitive to the same type of antibiotics? Is this how you practice medicine?

I didn't state unequivocally the poison had left his body but ask you to find medical evidence of singular exposure to food poisoning lasting for years before killing the subject and you are having gargantuan delusions. Keep silent so you don't convince people you don't know.

Obviously you have nothing unquestionable to prove your case. Make sure you know what you are talking about before making statements.

SIRTee15:
Ok I found answers to some of your questions.

It looks like the effect of the poison on Muhammed was chronic and progressive as he used to fall ill as a result of the poison.

So your argument that Muhammed's terminal illness couldn't be as a result of the poison holds no ground.

He had recurring illness all through his last years on earth as a result of the poison.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/32762

Desperately looking for a means to validate your error or uphold your claim to medical expertise? Please do much better.

Which is correct please? The prophet was well enough to go on long journeys, hajj, fasting or he was persistently sick due to the effects of poisoning?

Cupping was a well-known treatment endorsed by the Prophet pbuh so you cannot authoritatively say you have conclusive evidence linking it directly to his response to the poisoning incident at Khaybar.

Please do a thorough job and don't rush back to post to reveal yourself.

Explore2xmore:
There appears some verses in the Bible that say reincarnation doesn't occur.
Hebrews 9:27 - "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

Yet Jesus is said to say Elijah had come but wasn't recognised. Matthew 11:10-14.

Where was Elijah said to have come?

Then he is also said to come again at the end of the world.


Attn: Fxmasterz,SirTee15,Malcom1x,Maxindhouse,Mightysparrow,MrPrevailer,and all who can shed light and knowledge about this.

Definitely the belief that Elijah would precede Jesus is backed by important Jewish texts, including Malachi 4:5-6, as well as interpretations in rabbinic literature such as Seder Olam Rabbah and Yalkut Shimoni. Together, these sources confirm that Elijah plays a vital role as a forerunner to messianic fulfillment.

Sadly Christians pull gargantuan interpolation
in the New Testament, especially in Matthew 11:14 and Matthew 17:10-12, for their Jesus messiah unaccepted by his fellow Jews to connect John the Baptist to this prophetic expectation, indicating that John fulfills Malachi’s prophecy regarding Elijah’s return when this is not the case.

Not to forget a further wild goose theory that this will still happen in future.

SIRTee15:
another complete nonsense.
as usual, when they are stuck, muslims deny the source of the information and start shouting its corrupt. Now he has thrown the hadith under the bus.
just imagine disparaging Aisha mother of believers and calling her a liar.
FYI, Aisha is the source of that hadith, she was the one who told us Muhammed's death bed confession.


Muslims should be last people to call others Idolaters. People who cant pray to their Allah except they bow down to a black stone in arabian peninsula.
If that is not the perfect definition of paganism, then I dont know what else it could be.



Oniro.
Is this not what u wrote earlier today

Does the hadith specifically say the poison is still in his body? Where are narrations stating he felt this pain before this hadith?

demanding the absurd from me. After I reset his brain, he's now changing mouth.

There you go again.

Is asking you to tell the arabic word used for aorta in the hadith and the Quran equal to throwing the hadith away?

Indeed you know too little about Islam, Muslims and prayer to conclude that bowing in a direction is what prayer in Islam is about. Can you pray to God directly without going through Jesus?

So as a medical expert you don't know that
the human body primarily expels food poison through vomiting and diarrhea. These processes act quickly to remove harmful substances and activate immune responses to fight off infections.

In many instances of food poisoning, symptoms typically diminish after a period of hours to days, depending on the specific pathogen involved, as the body effectively clears out the toxins and pathogens. Recovery includes replenishing lost fluids and nutrients.

Where are narrations that support this happening to the prophet after eating the poisoned lamb?

Where is the change?

Is exposing the absurdity of your argument when you refuse to answer what you know that the arabic word in the hadith and quran for aorta are different now change?

I ask you other questions to reveal your error to you.

You mentioned hypothetical food poisons and its clearly shown how these cannot be the case and you are pathetically anxious as you have been exposed?

Know what you want to bring in your mock apology to question the truth of Islam.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Jesus COMMANDED his disciples to love and pray for their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} so if you're saying different religions disobeying that order are all his followers simply because they claims so then there is no reason trying to separate your Allah from other gods all are deities and the worshipers are all THEISTS keep whatever your Allah says aside whoever claims he or she is worshiping god is for your Allah!

Your Jesus commandment to love one’s enemies is a fundamental principle of the Christian faith. However, historical events show that enmity and violence have arisen among believers for various reasons, such as misinterpretations of teachings, cultural influences, the inherent tendency of human nature towards conflict, and the impact of socio-political contexts.

So regardless of your personal desire or delusion these killings occur.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Jesus COMMANDED his disciples to love and pray for their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} so if you're saying different religions disobeying that order are all his followers simply because they claims so then there is no reason trying to separate your Allah from other gods all are deities and the worshipers are all THEISTS keep whatever your Allah says aside whoever claims he or she is worshiping god is for your Allah!

You should feel sorry for yourself haven forgotten your Bible has Jesus clearly stating that his kingdom is not of this world.

Throughout history, different Christian denominations have committed acts of violence against one another or against those considered heretics. The Inquisition serves as a notable example, where people faced persecution for their beliefs, resulting in torture and execution.

In modern times, conflicts involving Christians can be observed in various geopolitical situations where religious identity overlaps with nationalistic or ethnic tensions. For example, civil wars or sectarian violence in areas like Northern Ireland or certain parts of Africa frequently see Christian groups on opposing sides.

advocatejare:
Nonsense as usual, so are you saying that Muhammad didn’t know what he was saying when he ascribed the sickness that killed him to the effect of the poisoned food he ate at Khaibar?


The only thing that prevented him from dying immediately was the fact that he spilled out the poisoned food immediately he chewed it and noticed that something wasn’t right with the meat probably from its taste but despite that the effect of the poison was still felt on his uvula.

Those that died immediately are those who swallowed the meat


Sahih Muslim 26:5430
Anas reported that a Jewess came to Allah's Messenger ﷺ with poisoned mutton and he took of that what had been brought to him (Allah's Messenger). (When the effect of this poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it. He (the narrator) said that they (the Companion's of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No. He (Anas) said: I felt (the affects of this poison) on the uvula of Allah’s Messenger.

Anas felt the effect not the prophet himself? How? Can you feel another persons Uvula by looking?

MaxInDHouse:
All these is meaningless to a neutral person as long as you claim there is an unseen supernatural being somewhere your definition doesn't matter to any neutral person but when your god is able to remove weapons in the hearts and hands of adherents that's going to make a lot of sense to whoever is concerned because that will make your god stand out not just your claims of monotheism or polytheism.

I am directly chatting with you so it is very relevant to you.

SIRTee15:
I'm not going to waste my time with a medical illiterate who had no idea what is food poisoning despite good attempt at educating him.

Even a 10 year old knows better than to consume a tiny sip of acid as a one off.
It's effect on your esophagus and stomach can be permanent damage for life.



U do t know how contradictory U are beginning to sound. In your bid to exonerate your Prophet from his death bed confession, U end up calling him a LIAR.

Muhammed said the poison is still in his body cutting through his aorta and U here telling me to find the hadith that says the poison is still in his his body 3 years after he swallowed it.

Muhammed said the poison he consumed 3 yrs b4 is still in his body and U here telling me Muhammed is wrong. Instead U insisting the poison had left his body!!!!
[s]You claim the poison has left Muhammed's body while sick on his death bed, but Muhammed is saying otherwise. Muhammed said he's suffering from the poison in his body[/s]

One of you must be lying. Either you or Muhammed.

U see how desperate attempt to defend your Prophet is turning U crazy. Continue at the end, everybody go dey alright.

The very height arrogant grandeur. Simply tell us the words used for aorta in the hadith and the Quran?

1. Does hadith contradict the Quran?
2. If it does which take precedence?
3. You make a silly example of a 10 year old feeling the immediate effect of sipping acid and forget one of the hadith you and your mischievous ilk rely on talk about a companion immediately feeling the poison effect and dying?
4. Why was the consumption of the poisoned meat not stopped before this?
5.Why did the prophet continue to receive revelation after this?
6. Why did he and was he able to embark on long journeys, battles and pilgrimage after this?

It is natural for you apologetic liars.

You will surely find that the most intense of the people in enmity toward the believers are the Jews and those who associate others with Allah

I extra highlighted the lies you try to push on me. Is this how you lie to people you falsely claim to attend to medically?

SIRTee15:
So why did Muhammed say he still felt the poison in his body 3 years after eating it.
And I already told U Muhammed didn't die from food poisoning. U this clown.

Why did Muhammed lament that the poison he ate 3 yrs ago is still in his body and it's cutting his aorta.

Fake medical expert resorting to chatgpt?

From what you generated can you first show the immediate symptoms the prophet exhibited or any others he showed related to food poisoning in the years before the sickness from which he died?

When I say you are feigning medical jumbo to hide you only try to prove me correct

SIRTee15:
Arsenic, heavy metals, lead poisoning. Plant toxins like mushrooms poisons- amanita toxins, ethylene glucol.
A single exposure can cause injury to your organ depending on the concentration and dose U consumed.
Even one time consumption of industrial acid can cause irreversible damage to your gastric lying leading to permanent gastritis.
This damage can become irreversible leading to progressive damage to your organs leading to future complications.

You obviously don't know what U talking about. You punching far above your weight.

Now answer my question

Why did Muhammed lament that the poison he ate 3 years ago is still in his body and it's cutting through it's aorta.

Arsenic: Long-term low-level exposure leads to chronic effects, while acute symptoms arise quickly.
Was the prophet repeatedly exposed to arsenic poison over a prolonged period?

Lead: High-level exposure results in immediate symptoms, with chronic effects building up over time.


Amanita Toxins: Severe illness can develop days after ingestion, with a delayed onset.

Ethylene Glycol: Symptoms appear quickly, typically within days after ingestion.

Does the hadith specifically say the poison is still in his body? Where are narrations stating he felt this pain before this hadith?

For the umpteenth time as you show you have the means to what are the arabic words used for aorta in the Quran and the hadith?

SIRTee15:
A Christian brother called mightysparrow created a topic called Islam And It's Impacts On Modern Day Yoruba People.
Note This thread was created by a Christian and not a Muslim.
People will not believe that the topic has been moved to the islamic section where U have to say the Shahada before U can comment.

The question is why? How did a topic created by a Christian brother end up in the islamic section?.

The trend of the thread extended to whether Muhammed was killed by Allah because he was a false prophet.
I brought evidence from the hadith and Quran to support the assertion that Allah killed Muhammed by severing his aorta possibly because he was a false prophet.

No Muslim could refute my claim. All they yapping about was the so called richness of Arabic language and the pathophysiology of poison/aortic disease.

The challenge for muslims was why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

Next thing I noticed was they moved the topic to islamic section so that the topic could be killed.

If Muslims are embarrassed by their Prophet, that's their business not mine or any other Christian. But they shouldn't control a thread not created by them by bullying or intimidating moderators to move it to islamic section.

There was no blasphemous statement against Muhammed on the thread. Everything we Christians wrote was deducted from their books.

Above is criticism and not blasphemy. Muslims should learn the difference.
Criticising Muhammed is not the same as blasphemy against him.
Most matured Christians here don't even bother about mocking their prophet or anything like that. We simply point them to the truth in their own books which apparently Muslims don't like.

Muslims should stop behaving like cowards and learn to defend their prophet and their religion. If it's the truth, they should not be ashamed of it.

Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Here is what the argument is all about just to let all of u know this not a case of blasphemy or anything.

cc: MightySparrow TenQ ANTIlSLAM innotutorial FxMasterz advocatejare

For someone who isn't scared, embarrassed and feigning medical expertise by mumbo jombo identity the different words for:

1. aorta in the Quran and hadith

2. Show medically how a single exposure to food poisoning will kill the victim years after without showing any ailment except shortly before death.

It is medically improbable that prophet Muhammad pbuh died directly from food poisoning over three years after exposure to the toxin

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're a THEIST just like all others there is no need talking about what you believe all we need now is you're one of those claiming God or Gods exists!

In your dreams deceptive former Muslim that became a JW at odds with other followers of Christianity and Jesus.

Theism in Islam stands out from other theistic religions mainly due to its strict monotheism (Tawhid), the unique characteristics ascribed to God, a specific interpretation of revelation through prophethood, the distinct dynamics of the relationship between God and humanity, a divinely mandated moral framework, and its beliefs about judgment after death.

MaxInDHouse:
Concepts you say?
Naaaaaaaaah since they all claimed they believe in the supernatural we don't need to discuss about whatever concept they have all we need now is they all agree that there is the supernatural.
Does this mean you're on the same page with worshipers of Ṣàngó, Ọya, Ògún and Obàtálá?

Type of supernatural.
I don't believe in God begeting and you do.
Neither do I believe in a begotten dying for God to admit me to paradise and that is fundamentally different.

Besides you believe in existence of other gods alongside the almighty whoch Muslims don't and that is a fundamentally distinctive difference.

Explore2xmore:
You were asked a simple question to identify the word for aorta in arabic from the Quran and the hadith and you are here with repeated typing diarrhoea.

Is this your answer to the medical challenges you cannot defend?

Neither can you show any narration that he experienced any pain through the years after his poisoning? Is this the undeniable evidence you rely on?


On what you earlier said;

Explore2xmore:


Kindly indulge your educated ignorance and show evidence to suggest that chronic aortic dissection or aortic aneurysm can be directly caused by food poisoning.
Present examples of a singular case of poisoning that lead to death years post administration.

Present your paper to a medical journal if you like.


You wrote:
This is why I don't like debating non medics on medical matters.
What do you understand by food poisoning? Food poisoning is simply food borne illness caused by bacteria and their enterotoxins.
It's different from what we talking about here.
The Jewish women added a toxic substance called poison to Muhammed's food. That's not food poisoning....ok.

So many toxins in the body can predispose to aortic dissection e.g nicotine, cocaine, methamphetamine, carbazide and plant poisons.

Muhammed himself said he started having agonizing pain since he was exposed to the poison from the Jewish woman.
He said he feels like the poison is severing his aorta. Muhammed simply described how he felt.

You are not there to say Muhammed description of his pain is wrong. He was the one in pain and described how he felt.

The question should be why did the Prophet of Allah described himself dying in the same manner Allah had said he would die if he's ever caught lying?

SIRTee15:
Now to your response. First let's get some things clear.

1. Allah made it clear in the Quran if Muhammed is ever caught lying against him, He would grab him and kill him by SEVERING HIS AORTA.

2. On Muhammed's death bed, he confessed his pain feels like his aorta is being severed.

3. Muhammed said the pain from his aorta started
since he ate the poison from the Jewish woman 3 years earlier.
Let's get one thing clear, [s]Muhammed may be wrong or right about the cause of his pain. [/s]But we do know is that he died a slow, agonizing and painful death which he attributed to aortic pain.

How did Muhammad die?

Allah himself may have directly severed Muhammed's aorta and allowed it to leak slowly, thus the chronic aorta pain he had.
Allah may prolonged the half life of the poison Muhammed ate thus allowing for it's sustained exposure in his body and enough time to cause damage on Muhammed's aorta.

It's even possible Allah used another pathophysiology to damage Muhammed's aorta and may not even be related to aortic dissection or the poison at all.

The crux of the matter is did Allah fulfil his warning by making Muhammad die of aortic pain ?

Hadith are not scientific books, they are historical documents. Directly applying scientific methodology is not applicable.

But what is applicable is the spiritual and theology understanding of the document.

Allah said if Muhammed is ever caught lying and making things up. He will kill him by severing his aorta.
Muhammed confessed on his death bed that the pain he's having is like his aorta has been severed.

The question U and other muslims should answer is why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

That's the bigger question.

Extremely simple Mr Medical expert present cases of food poisoning that have taken over 3 years to kill their patient.

You listed some compounds that can predispose to aortic dissection but fail to show that this occurs when they are chronically used. Is a singular ingestion at poisoning equal to this?
Single exposures to nicotine, cocaine, methamphetamine, carbazide, or plant toxins may not directly lead to an aortic dissection.
Stop hiding under illusory medical expertise and show exactly how.

The prophet did not continually complain of pain after the poisoning though apparent reference was made to it as he neared his passing. Bring other narrations between the poisoning and his illness before his death unless you now claim he took ill immediately after the poisoning?
Your art of deception is marvellous when you can't answer or refuse to answer questions clearly asked

I had informed of a metaphoric statement regarding the crossed.

Tell me how a singular medical exposure will take over 3years to kill a patient without any ailment seen during the period since ingestion?

MaxInDHouse:
Great!
So next time don't speak against THEISTS since all THEISTS are on the same page!

Definitely not as so called theists have different concepts of the almighty God.