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advocatejare:
Go and ask AntiChristian that foolish question cos the two of you are Muslims who are antagonizing each other on camel urine as a medicine

So you are essentially blabbing about what you no very little about?

advocatejare:
Are you saying that Muslims don’t drink camel urine to follow the recommendation Muhammad gave to some people in the Hadith?

AntiChristian just posted an article which states that Muhammad recommended camel urine to his companions who were suffering from abdominal pain but you want to come and do Taqiyya here

“The religious aspect of using camel urine in treatment comes from the fact that there has been convincing evidence that the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) suggested the use of camel urine to treat his companions who were suffering from abdominal pains at that time.”

First you all say Taqqiya and more likely don't understand the meaning.

Then in what context was the urine recommended? Was this a general recommendation?

advocatejare:
can you tell us why Muslims are drinking camel urine and calling it prophetic medicine?

I don't drink camel urine and know no Muslims that do. You make the allegation against the generality of Muslims and cannot substantiate your claim.

advocatejare:
W.H.O. has come out to say that drinking camel urine is harmful to humans yet you choose to continue to belief the lies of an illiterate, demon-possessed lunatic who lived more than 1400 years ago. May God cure you of stupidity:

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/06/10/stop-drinking-camel-urine-world-health-organization-says

Regardless of the topic of this thread can you tell if there's a general recommendation for or instruction to Muslims to drink camel urine?

AntiisIam:
Ahahahaha so all these questions hard for Muhammad and allah to answer through you? Aswear you're a big disgrace to humanity and Islam at large

When the one that asks plays too dumb to understand I recall your Proverbs 26 and make better use of my time.

AntiisIam:
Islam has ruined and destroyed your life beyond repair. Next time, bring your chief imam along whenever you want to have discussions with Antiislam

You're too cheap for me to handle. MASS ALARM

It will make no difference to your expensive deaf and dumb spirit

AntiisIam:
In your previous response you said in pre-islamic period, most of the pagans arab worshiped other gods and idols along with allah which means that allah was recognized as an idol before Muhammad brought Islam.

The question before you is that why is this same allah that was recognized as an idol in pre-islamic era your supreme deity forced on you by the founder of islam?




Let's see who the spirit of deaf and dumb is disturbing his life.

These are the questions you're running away for, if the spirit of deaf and dumb is not disturbing your life, answer all the questions



Let's behold who is deaf and dumb between you and I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCwQHJxew2E?si=7dS4lzyt_EvaZDZ4

AntiisIam:
Why is your Islamic supreme deity (allah) named after an idol that was written in Isaiah 44:9?

Muhammad inherited an idol from his idolaters father, Abdullahi and made it your Islamic supreme deity. You're speaking up for allah Muhammad forced on you not knowing that your pedophile messenger has blindfolded you with lies, you're ignorant to your own shame as you couldn't defend why allah was named after an idol in pre-islamic period

Allah is the one, supreme, and all-encompassing deity, different from any idol or tribal god. Even in pre-Islamic Arabia, Allah was recognized as the "God above gods" and recognized as the Creator. However, the pure monotheism introduced by Islam represented a significant change from the pre-Islamic practices, where people would associate partners with Allah by worshiping idols and lesser deities.

May Jesus deliver you from the deaf and dumb spirit that bewitches you

Mark 9:25
And when Jesus saw that a multitude came running together, he rebuked the unclean spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I command thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him

Allah is sufficient for me and all my trust is in him.

AntiisIam:
Is using question to answer question the only thing you learnt from your late messenger right?

I asked many questions none of them you answered. Muhammad must be ashamed of you in grave

You attempt a claim to be better do answer or the spec in your own eye cannot be removed?

You are obviously trying to avoid exposure that you lie when you claim not to understand.

I don't know you personally talk less of the Sunday school you claim to teach in so will very less likely come across your Sunday school student who hopefully won't say his Sunday school teacher using the pseudonym on nairaland comfortably lies.

AntiisIam:
My student at Sunday School Children unit will explain Isaiah 44:9 for you but before then, why not answer my question

Why is your Islamic supreme deity (allah) named after an idol?

Explain what I ask you about Isaiah first. It is very relevant to our early discussion.

AntiisIam:
This was what I asked



Here is your response



How does your response solve the questions I asked?

Do you understand?
Isaiah 44
9: All who make idols are nothing,and the things they treasure are worthless.Those who would speak up for them are blind; they are ignorant, to their own shame.


10 Who shapes a god and casts an idol, which can profit nothing?

Explain it to me if you do. Then you will understand.

I think your problem is where the message comes from .

AntiisIam:
This was what I asked



Here is your response



How does your response solve the questions I asked?

Read and think to understand. You are supposed to be a higher animal with intelligence and intellect

AntiisIam:
So Hinduism you saw therein was posted there right?

You are a disgrace to your fellow slaves

Didn't you just post your comment above?
Who stopped you?

Pathetic reasoning.
Indeed you have been a miserable waste of time.

If and when you are able to provide irrefutable and verifiable proof to your mad rants we may relate again. Until then get a good learning.

Explore2xmore:
Do you not know Wikipedia is open source and any body can post anything? Who verifies or validates what is written.

Simple find where Hisham ibn al-Kalbi's Book of Idols states Hinduism existed in pre-islamic Arabia and stop this delusional diarrhea.

Maybe you should search your Wikipedia for Hinduism in pre-islamic Arabia as I find you unable to do though research or search on your own.

AntiisIam:
I understand your run away tactic. Mind you, it won't work here


Why is your Islamic supreme deity (allah) named after an idol?

Let me st seeart with you from there

See yourself?

Simple provision of proof you can not provide

AntiisIam:
Hope you see the picture attached or allah has blindfolded you again?

Do you not know Wikipedia is open source and any body can post anything? Who verifies or validates what is written.

Simple find where Hisham ibn al-Kalbi's Book of Idols states Hinduism existed in pre-islamic Arabia and stop this delusional diarrhea.

Maybe you should search your Wikipedia for Hinduism in pre-islamic Arabia as I find you unable to do though research or search on your own.

AntiisIam:
This boy sha, is like you're new here on NL. You don't know Antiislam aswear

As you claim to be a non lazy reader despite your propensity to misrepresent the truth, show in clear terms from the books you alleged due to poor Wikipedia representation convincing refutation to:

Hisham ibn al-Kalbi's Book of Idols mainly examines the polytheistic beliefs that were common in Arabia prior to the advent of Islam. Although it references several deities that the Arabs worshipped during that period, it does not offer direct evidence or mention Hinduism as a separate religion that was practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia.

The Encyclopedia of Indian Religions offers detailed insights into various Indian religions, including their historical backgrounds and influences that extend beyond India. It explores the interactions between Indian religions and neighboring cultures but does not provide conclusive evidence that Hinduism was practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia.

AntiisIam:
This boy sha, is like you're new here on NL. You don't know Antiislam aswear

You definitely need to go back to school. Tell if you wouldn't lie how (You called those arab pagans "venerate" beings) equates to the sentence (those who venerate beings or objects apart from Allah)? Where in the latter bracket are Arab pagans referred to as venerate beings?















You confused yourself with your response as there appears to be serious mix ups in your comprehension of English.

AntiisIam:
I should show you what you wrote, you know what? Scroll up and read all your comments from the beginning. You'll surely see it there

Present the proof or it's another case of your fabrication as I found you out in relation to what you alleged of Asad by deliberately omitting the condition of the previous verse?

State the proofs from Wikipedia you present let's validate.

AntiisIam:
You called those arab pagans "venerate" beings.. It seems you're just typing without going through what you typed


According to the Book of Idols by the medieval Arab scholar Hisham ibn al-Kalbi, Hinduism was present in pre-Islamic Arabia. Ibn Al-Kalbi explains the origins of idol worshipping and the practice of circumambulation as rooted in India and Hinduism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_the_Middle_East#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Book%20of,rooted%20in%20India%20and%20Hinduism.

Can you directly show me proof of what you claim I wrote in your first paragraph?


Hisham ibn al-Kalbi did not provide concrete archaeological evidence that directly connects Hindu practices to pre-Islamic Arabian societies. Much of the available evidence is circumstantial or interpretative, rather than conclusive. Do well to prove otherwise.


While there were indeed interactions between Arabian tribes and Indian cultures through trade routes, there is insufficient concrete evidence to support the notion that Hinduism was an organized religion in pre-Islamic (pre Prophet Muhammad pbuh) Arabia. The archaeological record does not back this claim, and early literary sources do not clearly indicate the presence of Hindu religious practices in the region prior to the rise of Islam.

AntiisIam:
It is now manner of approach

I understand your run away tactic but you will finish this one you started





It is what you said I'm asking questions on. You said this in quote "most of the idol-worshiping pagan Arabs were polytheists who worshiped other gods and idols alongside Allah"

That statement means your Islamic deity allah was known among the idolaters before Muhammad brought Islam and forced allah on your as your supreme deity

The question is are you slaves (Muslims) different from venerate hindu pagan worshippers that worshipped allah in pre-islamic period?





They are idolaters, the pagan arabs that worshipped allah in pre-islamic period




YES, they are Arabians, living and doing there businesses before Muhammad brought Islam

You have failed to clearly identify who Hindu pagans are and do not identify who venerates them perhaps you do.

There isn't any concrete evidence that proves the existence of adherents of people practicing Hinduism in pre-Islamic Arabia.

Islam is strictly monotheistic, emphasizing the oneness of God (Allah).

Hinduism has a more diverse understanding of the divine. Most Hindus believe in a single supreme reality identified as Brahman that is expressed through various deities, such as Vishnu, Shiva, and Devi. Others see these deities as representations or aspects of the same ultimate reality. This is clearly different from Islam and the relationship between believers (Muslims) and Allah.

Islam primarily relies on the Quran while Hindu from my finding rely on Vedas; Rigveda, Samaveda, Yajurveda, and Atharvaveda.

Islam believes in a many prophets sent by Allah to guide humanity, starting with Adam and ending with Muhammad while Hinduism does not have prophets in the same sense. Hindu has avatars or incarnations of deities, particularly the god Vishnu, who is believed to incarnate periodically to restore cosmic order. This clearly at variance with Islam.

Islam believes in an afterlife, final judgement, paradise and he'll while Hinduism believes in reincarnation, where the soul is reborn into different bodies based on karma of individual’s actions and dharma in righteous duty. The cycle of birth, death, and rebirth continues until one attains liberation from the cycle of rebirth.

In Islam, salvation is achieved through belief in Allah, doing righteous deeds, repentance, and following the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah.
Hinduism in contrast offers multiple paths to liberation, including devotion to a deity, karma (good actions), jnana (knowledge), and yoga (spiritual practice). Liberation is the release from the cycle of reincarnation and union with the divine.

Islam strictly prohibits idolatry and image worship, considering it a form of associating others with Allah. Hinduism in difference often involves the worship of deities represented through statues, images, and icons. These representations are considered ways to focus devotion on particular aspects of the divine, rather than the divine itself.

There definitely are others but you can read to know more on your on. Essentially though Islam and Hinduism teach principles of morality, compassion, and devotion, they differ fundamentally in their views on God, salvation, worship, and religious practice.

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AntiisIam:
So by calling your attention to the questions you're trying to avoid means been rude bah?


The bolded below are the questions before you

Obviously you see nothing wrong in your manner of approach. It must be with your mindset and since we are not mandated to interact do keep to yourself.

In any case though I am within my rights not to reply it is stated that venerate Hindu pagan worshippers that worshipped Allah in pre-islamic period is not clear in your statement.

Who are Hindu pagan worshippers?
Are the above greatly respected or reverted and by who?
Were they living in Arabia at the time you refer to?

AntiisIam:
Look away tactic, is it haram for you to answer question?

Are you slaves different from venerate hindu pagan worshippers that worshipped allah in pre-islamic period?


Where did allah told you that he has mouth to speak?

Who does allah speaks directly to in your quran?

You are rather rude in your address and your statement venerate Hindu pagan worshippers lacks clarity.

You asked who was being addressed in a particular verse and this has been explained to you perhaps you should clearly show the verses you are interested in as Allah has addressed different people on different subjects in different verses.

AntiisIam:
So those venerate pagan beings worship idols along with allah the supreme idol in pre-islamic period right?

Are you allah's slaves different from hindu worshippers?



Where did allah told you that he has mouth to speak?

Clearly you see that the polytheists and pagans are being referred to.

I won't pretend to know about Hindu worshippers and ponder why this should be of relevance to me. I only have cordial respectful relations with the Indians I relate with. I don't concern myself with their religious beliefs. It is their prerogative and they have never harmed me or my interests.

Perhaps you should ask how God in the Bible speaks first?

AntiisIam:
Who are they is the question, is this difficult for you to answer

They are those who venerate beings or objects apart from Allah.The polytheists.

Allah speaks to those who worship beings or things alongside Him, things that hold no power to bring benefit or harm. The verse points out their assertion that these entities serve as "intercessors with God." Allah then commands the Prophet to confront them, asking, "Do you believe you can inform God of anything in the heavens or on earth that He is unaware of?" This question highlights Allah's omniscience and supreme transcendence, dismissing the notion of intercessors or partners with Him. The verse reinforces Allah's elevated status, far beyond the associations made by those who worship others alongside Him.

AntiisIam:
Don't look away, attempt the question


Who are those worshipping idols to get closer to allah in pre-islamic period and why is your Islamic supreme deity named after an idol?

Glad you know your questions are not worthy of answers as they are very much unfounded.

I oblige you this answer.

This verse 10:18 addresses those who venerate beings or objects apart from Allah, thinking that these entities can act as intermediaries with Him. It challenges this belief by pointing out that these intercessors lack the power to either harm or benefit anyone, and it questions whether these individuals can reveal anything to Allah that He is unaware of.

AntiisIam:
We are getting there


Hubal (Arabic: هُبَل‎) was a god worshipped in pre-Islamic Arabia, notably by Quraysh at the Kaaba in Mecca. Muhammad's Allah is actually Hubal, i.e. the Baal of the Moabites.

The daughters of Hubal i.e. Allat, al-ʿUzza and Manat, the three female goddess of pre-Islamic Arabia, are mentioned in the Qur'an.

Quran 53:19-20

Do you -Meccans- see the idols Al Lat and Al 'Uzza you honour and revere and regard with extreme respect and devotion

and another idol (Manat of the pagan Arabs), the other 3rd (as the daughters of Allah)

Hubal was originally the proper name of Allah in Makkah... Allah was always a proper name in the Arabic sources and not a common noun, Allah was the title used within each tribe in Pre-islamic Arabia to address tribal deity instead of its proper name and that Allah became the Islamic substitute for the name of any idol.

Hubal's known presence in the Kaʿbah, there is no polemic in the Qur'an against him. In other words, while the Qur'an railed against Allat, Manat, and al-ʿUzza, whom the pagan Arabs referred to as the "daughters of Allah", it stopped short of attacking the cult of Hubal.


The below pictures will clear your doubt on the true colour of islam.

You are surely in over drive. When you earlier mischief is pointed out you change tactics. It is clearly impossible for Allah to bare children so you try to equate him to Hubal? Even Hubal didn't bare any child? Do inanimate things bare children?


The Idol Hubal was mainly recognized as a male deity linked to war and divination, while the idols al-Lāt, al-‘Uzzā, and Manāt were significant female goddesses embodying fertility, beauty, protection, and fate, respectively. Together, they created a complex tapestry of religious beliefs that defined pre-Islamic Arabian culture before the rise of Islamic monotheism.

Allah is different from the polytheistic gods even prior to the advent of Islam, numerous Arabian tribes acknowledged Allah as the supreme deity, the God who stands above all others.

And they worship besides Allah things that harm them not, nor benefit them, and they say, 'These are our intercessors with Allah.'"
(Quran 10:18)

AntiisIam:
You are really trying defending allah here. Why is your allah named after pre-islamic pagan idol then if he doesn't chosen daughters according to you?

You are saying many idolaters in pre-islamic Arabia believed in the idol called allah?

Allah is not an idol and never was


In pre-Islamic Arabia, the pagan Arabs practiced idol worship and polytheism, despite recognizing Allah as the supreme deity still straying from pure monotheism by worshiping multiple idols alongside Him. They believed that these idols could help them get closer to Allah or act as intercessors in their prayers.

However, this practice of associating partners with Allah and idol worship is viewed as a grave sin in Islam. The Quran consistently denounces idol worship and stresses the importance of worshiping Allah alone, without any partners or intermediaries.

It's important to note that while the pagan Arabs sought to connect with Allah through various idols during their time of ignorance, true monotheism in Islam calls for direct worship of Allah alone, rejecting any form of polytheism or the idea of associating partners with Him.

Is your Bible devoid of text showing syncretism amongst the Israelites?

In the ancient Near East, where the Bible was composed, many cultures practiced polytheism. They believed in a hierarchy of gods, often with a supreme deity at the top. This supreme god was sometimes viewed as remote, leading people to worship lesser gods or idols to connect with or gain favor from the supreme being.

Baal Worship (1 Kings 18): The encounter between Elijah and the prophets of Baal on Mount Carmel illustrates a significant example of syncretism. Even though Elijah was chosen as God’s prophet, many Israelites had incorporated Baal worship into their devotion to Yahweh. Elijah challenges them to make a choice between Yahweh and Baal, highlighting the widespread nature of syncretism among the people.

Asherah Poles (Judges 6:25-30): In Judges, God instructs Gideon to destroy his father's altar to Baal and cut down the Asherah pole next to it. This shows that even leaders in Israel were engaging in syncretistic practices that blended the worship of Yahweh with Canaanite gods.


Followers of Baal and Asherah believed they were seeking favor from God through these deities, their actions represented a fundamental misunderstanding of God’s nature.

Acts 17:16-34: Paul’s speech at Mars Hill demonstrates his understanding of Athenian idol worship and philosophical ideas. He recognizes their altars dedicated to unknown gods while sharing knowledge about Yahweh through Jesus Christ.

AntiisIam:
But Quran says he has chosen daughters in preference to sons


Quran 37:153 Muhammad Asad
“He has chosen daughters in preference to sons”

I would have accused you of the action of the devil's pen but find that you are only trying to be clever not even by half. Do you argue that the screenshot here do not contain the full text of the translation of the meaning of the Quran by Muhammad Asad?

The text of one reads:

150.
- or is it that We have created the angels female, and they [who believe them to be divine] have witnessed [that act of creation]?
151.
Oh, verily, it is out of their own [inclination to] falsehood that some people assert,
152.
"God has begotten [a son]"; and,verily, they are Iying [too, when they say],
153.
"He has chosen daughters in preference to sons"!

The verse 153 is part of the lie referred to in 152.
In other translations of the meaning verse 153 is written as Has he chosen daughters in preference to sons?

When you read through Quran 37:151-155 if you can put your truthful thinking for a moment you should discern that Allah confronts the erroneous belief that He has children, a notion held by some groups in pre-Islamic Arabia. The verses highlight the ridiculousness and irrationality of this idea, encouraging individuals to contemplate and understand Allah’s true essence. This reminder aims to steer people away from misunderstandings and towards a clearer appreciation of divine unity and greatness.

AntiisIam:
Point of correction, Islam don't reject polytheism as allah himself is an idol Muhammad inherited from his idolater father called Abdullahi


Your allah wish to have a son

Quran 39:4
If Allah had willed to choose a son, He could have chosen what He would of that which He hath created...

This verse explicitly counters the false notion that Allah desired a son. It asserts that if Allah had intended to have a son, He could have easily chosen one from His creation and he didn't.
The notion of Allah having a son is entirely dismissed in Islam; Allah is beyond the necessity for offspring or partners. Unique, self-sufficient and incomparable, He does not have any children. This verse reinforces the singularity and distinctiveness of Allah as the One and Only God.

AntiisIam:
Your islamic deity allah has daughters

Quran 37:153 Muhammad Asad
“He has chosen daughters in preference to sons”

Quran 37:153 Wahiduddin Khan
Has He chosen daughters over sons


AND THE DAUGTHERS ARE:

Quran 53:19-21
Have you then considered Lat and ‘Uzza And another, the third, Manat Are the males for you and for Him the females


Thank you for accepting the fact that "no one will practice Islam except 1 out of 50 people"

In Surah As-Saffat, Ayah 153 emphasis is about the polytheists saying that daughters belong to Allah; which is an insult. It does not mean that Allah has daughters, in reality. The verse is a question meant to address people and their ridicule.
Also, Surah An-Najm, Ayah 19-21 addresses the pre-Islamic pagan traditions, where polytheists erroneously viewed the angels as daughters of Allah, while they favored sons for themselves. The reference to Lat, 'Uzza and Manat as idols serves to underscore the misguided beliefs of the polytheists; it does not imply that Allah possesses daughters.

Allah transcends human attributes, such as gender and progeny. He is singular, self-sufficient and incomparable. Muslims uphold the oneness of Allah and vehemently reject any idea of Him having daughters, sons, or any partners.

Many tribes in the pre-Islamic Arabia believed in the idea of Allah as the one true God. However, most of the idol-worshiping pagan Arabs were polytheists who worshiped other gods and idols alongside Allah. It was held that these idols could serve as a means of getting closer to Allah or as a means of reaching Him.

The reference to Allah goes deeper, for Allah is the highest God to the pagan Arabs who did not have, however, a course in monotheism free from deliberation and those things which are taught in Islam. Allah’s prophet; prophet Muhammad pbuh was sent to instruct humanity in its original state the worship of One God and all sorts of worship other than worshiping the One God were forbidden.


Islam returning to being something strange refers to a time when the true teachings of Islam can be visible as surprising or unconventional in society. It serves as a reminder for Muslims to keep onto their religion and adhere to the teachings of Islam, although they're perceived as unique or ordinary by way of others. Very much in consistence with how over time humans deviate from the pure and true faith. The difference here being another prophet as had been done in the past will not be sent again.

There however should be the coming of the rightly guided one to try to remind some who will accept but not as a prophet.

AntiisIam:
Dindinrin maito, you made a mistake or you don't know which continent Israel is. Omo JS1 won't make such a mistake

See what Muhammad said about your slavery religion called Islam

Specifically regarding the Hadith you pictured;
What is meant by Islam started as something strange and verily it will revert to being something strange:

Islam began as something strange and will revert to being something strange; the Arabic term used, gharib, translates as "strange" or "unfamiliar." This hadith offers deep insight into the history and future of Islam and can be understood from several perspectives:

When Islam was first introduced in Mecca, most people, being idol worshippers, had a grudge towards the new faith, a doting mother’s scorn to a baby that was fighting to hand out and outshine her. The faith rejected polytheism and the cultural norms that tangled its followers and stood for social justice and ethics, a norm for the new. Given the situation, Muslims during the period found themselves scorned, ostracized, and even persecuted for their spiritual beliefs.

Moreover, the hadith is proof of what is yet to come in the event Islam starts sticking to the Muslim masses: “And no one will practice Islam except 1 out of 50 people. In a nutshell, society will devolve from Islamic ideals, and the righteous who truly practice Islam will be few. People who are still standing with the original Islamic principles will be considered a minority and are more likely to be termed strange.