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MaxInDHouse:
Now you're talking!

What do you mean by just cause?

Similar to Exodus 22:2-3 and Genesis 9:5-6

MaxInDHouse:
So why did Muhammad and his followers killed people using "kafri" as excuse?



Which Bible verse did you read where David conducted a census?
You guys just want validation for your Islam where you can't find it.
I told you that Satan confused David and you have quoted the verse yourself yet you're asking me again!

I don't know what event or who you refer to as 'kafir' and pardon my incomplete phrase. It's a grave sin to kill anyone without just cause in Islam.

Did you reply to me without knowing the verses in your Bible?

Islam is fine without your validation it is an affair between Muslims and Allah

MaxInDHouse:
Guy as long as there are Muslims among those carrying weapons to go and kill those who are also Muslims and all of you will still later bow towards the black stone in Mecca something is wrong somewhere that you need to figure out!



David was misled by Satan that's why Jehovah punished him by reducing the population of those he wants to brag over as supreme ruler.
Jehovah doesn't go by number even if it's just one person remaining on His side that person with Jehovah is the MAJORITY.

So David committed a blunder!

Pretty queer submission. Please point at clear reference for this. It is a grave sin to kill anyone regardless of if the person is Muslim or not. Bare in mind the deception of 'fake Muslims.

So it was punishment that caused an uncertainty as to who inspired David to conduct a census between God and Satan? Please which Bible verse explains this.

MaxInDHouse:
So if Muslims kill Muslims it due to fallibility but when others kill Muslims your people will pick up weapons to revenge!

I see you put the condition if.

The vast majority of Muslims around the world seek peace, justice, and unity within the Islamic community. The majority of Muslims seek to live in harmony with each other and the world around them disregard the political, sectarian, ethnic, and territorial disputes which appear to mask as religious.


You ignored explaining the contradiction of who asked David to conduct census.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted really amuses me because there are Muslims in most places yet in the face of tribal and political conflicts they throw away their Quran just like Kids will do when tempted with food. So how do you expect others who don't know anything about your Allah to feel when they see Muslims fighting and killing fellow Muslims despite all what you typed in the highlighted?

The Bible was written by humans who were directed by God's Holy Spirit to help them remember what supposed to be recorded for our use !

Of course the Quran is a perfect source of ultimate guidance yet muslims who are humans are not infallible and may fall short in fully embodying the teachings of the Quran at all times. Life is one of continuous learning, self reflection and adherence in order to improve self. This is what jihad is about. Continuous striving to be better.

The books of 2 Samuel and 1 Chronicles mention respectively God and Satan telling David to number Israel which is correct or is this a subtle equation of the two? Can it be overlooked as human error?

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is historically accurate!

So if you don't trust your Quran i trust my Bible with all my heart!

You jumped to make a conclusion in error.
The Quran is indeed not a history book in the conventional sense. It is the divine revelation to serve as a guidance for all of humanity. While it contains historical events and stories of past nations, its primary purpose is to provide guidance, wisdom, and regulations for all aspects of life.

The Quran serves as a source of spiritual guidance, ethical principles, and laws for Muslims to follow. It is a timeless book that addresses the fundamental questions of existence and provides a framework for living a righteous life.

I trust it in this.

Can you state that there aren't contradictory reports in the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
You won't welcome any explanation as long as it doesn't fit in to what your Quran says about your Allah.
So let's leave the matter!

I don't hold the view of the Quran being a full historic reference. Indeed it is not that.

MaxInDHouse:
The problem we will both have on this matter is that you don't believe in the Bible and i don't believe in the Quran so it's better we leave it at that because the Bible made it clear that all humans were living in the same place before God confused their language but since your Quran is against that there is no way we can agree.

Thanks for your time!

We should quit the discussion even though you are wrong in concluding I totally don't believe in all the Bible says.

In any case Gen 11:1-9 refers to uniformity of language but Gen 10:6-20 refers to more than one place even if close.

Another bother is Gen 11:5 which says God came down to see what they were building; does it mean God could not see without coming down?

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible says it is Babel some 220 kilometers from Ur so it's still the same geographical location.
As for Kings how did humans arrive at choosing kings?

The Bible in Genesis 10:6-20 mentions in relation to Nimrod places like Babel (Babylon), Erech, Accad, and Calneh in the land of Shinar. It further mentions that from this land, he went to Assyria and built several cities including Nineveh, Rehoboth-Ir, Calah, and Resen. The omission of Ur from the list indicates that while it was an important city in ancient times, it did not fall under Nimrod’s dominion as outlined in these verses.

Places to which idolaters fled or were exiled to in biblical times did not include Arabia. Key passages that discuss exile include 2 Kings 17:6-23, and Jeremiah 29 which details the fall of Israel to Assyria and mentions the deportation of Israelites due to their idolatrous practices and the Babylonian exile. There is no direct reference to Arabia as a place where idolaters fled.

It however seems you were trying to go somewhere with your claim that Mecca is where pagans so to speak were driven. Your bible says very much otherwise!

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you need discernment!

The land where Nimrod lived according to the Bible is Ur around modern day Turkey so if any of those who remembered where they came from wants to point to the direction he or she will point to the East and by the time our people were writing this stories Mecca is the only place where pagans (so to speak) were driven away so the historian may conclude that since something of that nature occurred in Mecca Odùduwà must have migrated from that place as he is not a worshiper of the God they worship in modern day Mecca.

But if we truly want to get to the root of the matter we need to ask ourselves:

When did humans began having kings?
What qualities should someone posses before he is to be made king?

After all Your Qur'an never told you that Adam ruled over his children as king neither did he install any of them as King over the others!

I will appreciate you reference the Bible verse which states Nimrod lived in Ur.

You may need to distinguish begin Patriarchs and Kings though there are many kings in Sumerian history before the flood of Noah.

Adam surely guided his descendants and that leads to questioning if a King guides his people

MaxInDHouse:
One funny thing here is how you believe in what humans wrote but failed to think deeply!

According to the Bible all humans living on this planet today descended from Noah and if we have to go by that then we need to ask ourselves how people back then despite their differences in choice and occupation arrived at choosing one man to rule over them as King.

Surely such a person must be a terrorist who can crush whoever stands on his way.
The same remains till today as only those with hard heart can become rulers while the timid are subjected to them, and where two or more proved to be strong then they will have to eliminate one another until there remains the last man standing.

Politics has always been like that so Lamurudu and Nimrod is the same person don't allow the writings of deceptive people to confuse you!

Is your Bible a historically accurate reference?

According to certain versions of Yoruba oral tradition, Oduduwa was a prince who fled from Mecca due to religious conflicts involving his father, Lamurudu.

What was Nimrod doing in Mecca?

I however appreciate you pointing to the right direction as it's seen that heathen trinities, found in most polytheistic religions, follow the Father-Mother-Son pattern: Osiris, Isis and Horus; Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz; Zeus, Diana, Dionysus; Jupiter, Venus and Cupid; is this where Christianity copied from even with a subtle variation to include the holy spirit?

MaxInDHouse:
Names people bore back then has meanings but since their language was confused due to their decision to go against God's will there is no way we can trace their historical background through their names.

But if we agree with the Bible then we won't have trouble figuring out what really happened back then.

Nimrod is Lamurudu according to some Yorùbá historians they never knew why his descendants like Odùduwà was highly respected as chosen ones to rule everywhere they go but according to the Bible Nimrod was a great hunter in opposition to Jehovah the highlighted means he made himself king over the people {Genesis 10:8-9} as God supposed to be the supreme being over all mankind. It was due to his political ambitions that he decreed a fence should be made all around the inhabited portion after the death of Noah and his children {Genesis 11:3-4} but God proved His sovereignty when He confused the language of all those under Nimrods control {Genesis 11:5-9} and they all left the building to scatter as their able to understand whoever speaks what they can relate with.

Nimrod was a charm man who has dealings with powerful fallen angels so it's unthinkable for anyone living back then to challenge his authority that's why all his descendants known by the people back then were allowed to rule over them since they are the descendants of their great King.

That is why Odùduwà and all his descendants were respected by all those who knew him as one of the children of Nimrod always give them the first position anywhere they are recognized.

That's what i heard from historians but you and i know that when talking about history of people their ancestors often erase some parts most especially the ones that is embarrassing to them and their children Nimrod was a worshiper of demons and God did not hide it from the descendants of Jacob that even Abraham and his ancestors too were worshipers of demons before He (God) called him out from among his people! Joshua 24:2

Interesting write up but very surprised you subscribe to it.

There is great error in likening Nimrod to Lamrudu. They beling to different cultural contexts, characterizations, theological implications, and symbolic meanings.

In many interpretations, Nimrod symbolizes humanity’s hubris while Lamrudu embodies legitimate authority derived from divine favor rather than defiance.

Nimrod is associated with Jewish culture while Lamrudu is Sumerian. The former is a hunter while the latter is a king

DOptical:
Will you keep quiet with your gibberish?

I told you that the Jewish history had nothing to do with Mohammad, considering he's not Jacob's descendant to begin with and then you started talking about how Ishmael was Isaac's brother blah blah blah hence I had to spell it out to you that only Jacob and Jacob's descendants are the Jewish (Yehudah)! Not Ishmaell! I can't even be surprised by your lack of comprehension. Same way you couldn't comprehend simple "first before anything else"..

You're talking about the colonialists as if Arabs weren't worse than the colonialists. Arabs enslaved and murdered North Africans back then while stealing Northern African territory! In fact, these Arab terrorists had even wanted to replicate similar acts to the Europeans in Europe but were dealt with by the European who pummelled the Arab terrorists in Europe. So keep your mouth shut because Arabs were worse than the colonialists.

And I repeat, it was already stated that Ishmael would be a terrorist. It was emphasized that Ishmael would be "fighting with everyone" like a useless criminal idiot and that's exactly what Ishmael's descendants such as Mohammad who's a Pedophilic terrorist. I have told you already that all the rubbish which Mohammad was championing is highly contrary to Yoruba cultural values!

Only a fool would even think Nimrod/Lamurudu was the father of Oduduwa. From where to where? In fact, It was even one northerner who started writing such rubbish narrative to begin with.

Oduduwa is a Yoruba name to begin with! Or you dey craze?

I have told you already that Oduduwa's origin is coded in Ifa Corpus. He's a Yoruba man from Oke Ora. In fact, his relative was Oranfe, another Yoruba man from Oke Ora.

Oduduwa who's a Yoruba man from Oke Ora was chosen by Ifa to become king of Ife after Obatala's group to depict Yoruba's origin founded on the fundamental of Obatala which represent light whose vessel is Oduduwa, just as the Oduduwa name depicts it thus, ensuring Yoruba always remember this origin whenever the Yoruba remember their ancestors in Ife📌 Therefore, every Oduduwa (Yoruba) as a vessel must embody Obatala which represents "light" in the sense of righteousness, intelligence and creative works.

Do you not see the idiocy in your logic?

Did God even in your Bible not bless Ishmael (Gen. 17:20) and his descendants due to Abraham's prayer?

Perhaps the disagreement with Ishmael and his descendants stems from the rejection of the truth by others? Does Jeremiah 7:26-28 (in particular) not state this about the Jews?

Before your next outburst investigate the impact of Arabic Language on Nigerian Languages: A Case Study of Yoruba Language.

Is the code of Ifa Corpus not discernable or it's another mystery like the trinity?

DOptical:
Another gibberish!

Jacob and his descendants are the Jewish, not Ishmael. In fact, it was stated in the bible that Ishmael would become a terrorist and that's exactly what Ishmael's descendants, including Mohammad became. As I said, Mohammad should have simply focused on Ishmael's descendants who are his Arab ancestors instead of writing gibberish about others which doesn't concern him to begin with. Shior. Of course he's got nothing to write about his Arab ancestors.

Also, Nimrod isn't Oduduwa's father.

Nimrod's children are mentioned in the bible and Oduduwa isn't among them. Lol.

In fact, Only a stupid person would even think Nimrod was Oduduwa's father. From where to where? Lol. As a matter of fact, Oduduwa's history is coded in Ifa corpus. He's a Yoruba man from Oke Ora. In fact, his relative was Oranfe, another Yoruba man from Oke Ora. Oduduwa who's a Yoruba man from Oke Ora was chosen by Ifa to become king of Ife after Obatala's group to depict Yoruba's origin founded on the fundamental of Obatala which represent light whose vessel is Oduduwa, just as the Oduduwa name depicts it thus, ensuring Yoruba always remember this origin whenever the Yoruba remember their ancestors in Ife📌

Why did Yoruba have the tradition of making the second born twins the akobi of the twins, like the case of J(acob)? I wouldn't know tbh. Of course, there are similarities between the Yoruba and the Israelites known as the Jewish (Yehudah/Yacob) but then I don't understand where that came from. Yoruba can't even remember Moses and the red sea. Lmao 🤣 Hence the question is, if Yoruba already probably parted from the Israelites while the Israelites were still in Egypt? Lol.

Anyways, Yoruba are simply Yoruba and the origin is Ife.

Another emotional outburst without rationale thought. Did I imply that Jews are descendants of Ishmael though there is no denial of their shared ancestry to Abraham. Did Ishmael and his descendants arise in Isolation?
Someone said whoever looks to the future without reflection at the past is really looking no where. Well it applies the colonialists have succeeded in making you and your like forget your ancestry which has bad effects on your present and inability to chart a prosperous future.

Does the Bible categorically say Ishmael and his descendants will be terrorists? The term wild ass from Genesis 16:12 refers to the nomadic and independent lifestyle rather than an inherently violent nature. This reflects in the characteristics of Bedouin tribes who traditionally inhabit desert regions, suggesting freedom and resilience rather than terrorism.

The ancient near eastern culture was characterized by tribal conflicts and warfare, which were common among many groups, not just those descended from Ishmael. Does your Bible not narrate conflicts of the Israelites within themselves and with other tribes? The Benjamin wars, Abimelech's tyranny, Hasmonean-Samaritan and Jewish-Samaritan conflicts to name a few

What relationship does Nimrod bare with Oduduwa? Is Nimrod the same as Lamrudu? Where did you get this from? Perhaps when you have reliable facts to discuss you may bring otherwise don't quickly display your ignorance. Is Oodua not born of Lamrudu who was fathered by Kisra of Arabia?

DOptical:
Will you keep quiet?

Mohammad who was his first wife's manager signing her ledger can read and write. Heck, he was with his first wife's nephew Waraq who was always reading the Christian bible to him. So away with the useless dumb lies. And I repeat the Jewish history had nothing to do with Mohammad considering he's no Jacob's descendant. He should have simply focused on the exploits of his Arab ancestors instead of writing gibberish about others which had nothing to do with him to begin with. Of course he had nothing to write about his Arab ancestors.

Also, you saying rubbish about Arab influencing Yoruba's terracotta in Ife shows
how stupid you are. You dey mad? What Yoruba arts look like that of Arab to begin with? How did Obalufon and his predecessors stationed in Ife making their brass and bronze arts in Ife got influenced exactly, like you were implying? You dey craze? No, tell me exactly! As a matter of fact, Yoruba predated Mohammad and his Islam.

As for the word akobi in Yoruba, yes it means the first born which is exactly what the second born of the twins becomes according to Yoruba culture, just like the case of J(acob).

Good that you can speak some truth in your last paragraph. However can you give plausible rationale why a second born twin becomes first unless you rather sit logic and rationale on their head.

Is Jacob not born from Isaac's marriage? Is Isaac not a brother of Ishmael? Do they not share the same parent in Abraham? Please answer these questions.

Present proof of Waraqa a cousin to the prophet's wife reading the bible to him else stop running by your whims and unjustified bias.

Read your history to know the origin of the Yoruba tribe. The Yorubas are said to have sprung from Lamurudu one of the kings of Mecca whose offspring were Oduduwa, the ancestor of the Yorubas, the Kings of Gogobiri and of the Kukawa, two tribes in the Hausa country.

The artistic styles introduced by Arab traders and travelers found their way into Yoruba art during Obalufon’s time.

DOptical:
You said Mohammad couldn't read or write yet same Mohammad was his first wife's manager who was writing her ledger! The pedophile criminal!

As I already stated, the Jewish had nothing to do with Mohammad who's no Jewish, considering he's not a Jacob's descendant. Jacob and his descendants are the Jewish! Mohammad should have simply focused on writing about the exploits of his Arab ancestors instead of writing gibberish about others which didn't concern him to begin with. Of course he's got nothing to write about his Arab ancestors.

Meanwhile, it seems you're just as dumb as the camel urine drinking pedophilic Arab terrorist Mohammad because how many times would I repeat myself? Are you saying you don't know the meaning of "first" before anything else? I said Mohammad and his Allah doesn't know that light was formed "first" before anything else.

And I repeat, urine isn't medicinal! It's a waste product!

Present proof that prophet Muhammad pbuh could read and write and running your uninformed thought on your type pad. The education you think you have has disillusioned you. Can I ask you if you know Mansa Musa of Mali? Do you have proof that he could read or write? Is he documented as one of the richest men of Africa?

There are no specific historical records indicating that Muhammad pbuh personally wrote a ledger for Khadija, he more likely assisted in managing her affairs effectively due to his trustworthy nature. His role would have involved ensuring accurate accounts of transactions rather than formally documenting them in written ledgers.

Pre-amalgamated Nigeria had many wealthy individuals who were often illiterate by colonial standards.

It seems you don't know of Jewish Muslims who are prominent in Islamic history.

Does Akobi not translate to mean first to be born? Kindly tell and convince me I am wrong.

DOptical:
Yoruba practice the same tradition of making the second born of the twins the akobi, just like J(acob) who became an akobi which is even written in his name!

What Ife artefact look like Arab exactly? You dey craze?

Stop linking Yoruba to Arabs who had no history thus tried copying the Jewish history. As I already stated, all the rubbish which Mohammad was championing are highly contrary to Yoruba cultural values.

The terracotta sculptures of Arabia significantly influenced the artistic development of the Yoruba civilization.

I see your Omoluabi is that of Omo gutter that resorts to insult. Continue being uncivil

DOptical:
It only proves you're not Yoruba since you don't even know the second born twin become akobi which means first born. Akobi means first born and that's exactly what the second born of the twins becomes, just like the case of J(acob), the second twin who became the first born (akobi). So where did Yoruba get such culture from? That's quite mysterious. There's also the name of the supreme creator known as Oluwa Olorun Eledumare who's also known as Ayeraye, just like Israelites' supreme creator known as Elyon Elowah El who's also known as Yahweh.

Anyways, Yoruba are simply Yoruba. Ife is the origin.

Does your Bible tell you that Jacob became the first born by resorting to deceit (lies) in order to steal the birthright of his older brother.

Have you considered archaeological findings in Ife which reveal artifacts that bear resemblance to those found in ancient Arabian sites?


A key pointer to your challenges and rejection of the truth. Tell me is this the origin of the end no matter how crooked justifies the means?

DOptical:
It's a fact that Mohammad copied from Judaism and Christianity except you're stupid because as a matter of fact, the Jewish history he kept ranting about had nothing to do with him considering he's no Jacob's descendant to begin with! Jacob and Jacob's descendants are the Jewish. Mohammad should have simply focused on writing about the exploits of Ishmael descendants which were his Arab ancestors. Of course he knew he had nothing to write about his Arab ancestors. Shior.

Also, can you comprehend anything at all? I said Mohammad and his Allah doesn't know that "light" was formed "first" before anything else. Dumb camel urine foreign religion. Also, urine isn't medicinal. Sink that into your skull.

Mohammad is a useless criminal for championing pedophilia, terrorism and 72 virgin sex objects.

Thank you very much.

I see you eliminate the fact that Jacob is a son on of Isaac.

Is Isaac a brother to Ishmael?

Unlike the biblical narratives, which are often linear and historical, the Quran employs a non-linear narrative style emphasizing moral lessons and spiritual guidance?

The stylistic elements of the Quran showcase a literary richness indicative of original composition rather than derivative authorship.

You are again caught in your lie as Muhammad pbuh could neither read nor write. He received the Quran verbally and by direct revelation to him and transmitted this in same manner.

You ignorantly and boastfully make statements you know nothing about. Do you need spoon fed direction to where Allah created the darkness and the light? So much so you lied to mislead me that akobi is elder when it really means first to be born.
Did you try to make any research about medical uses of Urea a primary component of urine.

The language you address me in is localized to your tribe? I think very much not.

DOptical:
I simply say the fact as it is.

You should know that Mohammad actually copied from Judaism and Christianity which predated Mohammad and his Islam. In fact, He kept harping on the Jewish history which had nothing to do with him to begin with, considering he's no Jacob's descendant. The funny thing was how he changed Arab's corruption of the Jewish Elah as ilah to Allah. Elah has no double LL.. simple as ABC.

Personally, I stopped taking Arab Islam serious the moment I realized that it doesn't even know that "light" was formed before anything else. What a dumb camel urine drinking Arab religion. Worse is the Arab pedophile terrorist Mohammad championing 72 virgins sex objects. What a useless criminal.

Interesting but defective argument. You obviously don't know Jewish and Arabic language are semitic languages.

From where do you derive proof that prophet Muhammad pbuh copied; indeed you can present no plausible evidence of this and just follow ignorant vain talk. You do not know Allah created both darkness and light?

You obviously don't know the continuity established in passing essentially similar message over time? Is the ancestor of Muhammad pbuh not Ishmael the brother of Isaac? Who came first between Jacob, Isaac and Ishmael?

You repeatedly present this your 72 virgin talk but I doubt you have investigated the truth of that claim?

Read up the medicinal value of urea

DOptical:
Yoruba are not Arabs. All what Mohammad was championing such as pedophilia, 72 virgins sex objects, terrorism etc is highly contrary to Yoruba cultural values.

If at all Yoruba came from anywhere, the
closet would be Israelites (Yacob), considering how Yoruba ended up being Yoruba (also known as Omoluabi). Also, Yoruba's supreme creator is Eledumare also known as Ayeraye, similar to the Israelites. There's also the Yoruba's Ofi which is similar to the woven fabric as described to the L(efi). And also other stuff such as Yoruba twin culture of making the second born the akobi (elder) of the twins just like the case of J(acob)🤔🤔 However, it's all funny at this point because while there are obvious similarities but the question is from where to where? Lol 😂 I mean Yoruba can't even remember Moses nor the red Sea 😂.. could it be Yoruba already probably parted from the Israelites while the Israelites were still in Egypt? Lmao 🤣

Anyways, Yoruba are simply Yoruba known as Omoluabi. Yoruba's Origin is Ife.

Interesting that you refer making the second born of the twins the elder. Rationally and logically akobi means the first to be born. What is the meaning of agba or agbalagba?

It seems you rather resort to a lie in defense of your opinion. How can the child born later become the first? Does Omoluabi thrive on falsehood? I get the folktale that the second twin sends the first to check out the world but tell me if the first born prevents the second from being born after completing gestation?

DOptical:
Yoruba knows nothing about Arab Allah though.

What Yoruba knows is Eledumare (also known as Ayeraye) who's a spirit while his begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of himself. Hence Eledumare expect humans to be like the begotten child by displaying Eledumare's manifestations such as righteousness, intelligence and creative works just like the begotten child had done by creating the universe which is an intelligent creative world 💥

As a matter of fact, championing pedophilia, terrorism and 72 virgins sex objects like Arab Allah does is highly contrary to Yoruba cultural values.

Well good for you that have a monotheist that begets in Yoruba religion with Christianity.
Judaism like Islam doesn't believe in a practically begeting supreme being.

I see you go on with the usual slanderous claims about Islam. What this has to do with the existence or non existence of a true God should be answered by you.

The hadith mentioning the reward of 72 virgins for the martyr in paradise is a commonly cited but weak or fabricated hadith that lacks authenticity. This specific narration is not found in the authentic collections of hadith such as Sahih al-Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, which are considered the most reliable sources of hadith.

Modern day definition describes Aisha's marriage as paedophilia but ignore other marriages of people close to her age as not? This is obvious bias and a reflection of the general dislike of the truth by a number of people since the beginning of time. Glad that despite the claims of paedophilia relations there is no single report of ailment resulting to Aisha as a result. Does this not question the veracity of the claim?

I should however congratulate you for quickly revealing your true nature and not pretending for long in your contribution. Glad that you accept there is a supreme God. What you make or interpret as the supreme is indeed a point of difference.

Sadly you don't know anything about the likely Arabian origin of the Yoruba tribe.

The Arabian Influence on African Cultures: A Case Study of the Yoruba Tribe

A straight question though; is the Eledumare report a myth or reality?

DOptical:
According to Yoruba's Ifa, it's one supreme creator known as Eledumare (also known as Ayeraye) who's a spirit however Eledumare has got a begotten child which is simply the visible manifestation of himself, considering he's a spirit.

Allah isn't a spirit. While Eledumare who's also known as Ayeraye is a spirit and his begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of himself.

What I am primarily trying to say is there is a general agreement of a supreme being though there are differences in how the supreme is understood.

Allah transcends physical and spiritual limitations; he created both.

DOptical:
No. Yoruba predated Christianity.

However it's funny and mysterious to realize that Yoruba's supreme creator known as Eledumare (Ayeraye) and the begotten chid which is simply the visible manifestation of Eledumare are similar to that of Christianity. It's quite mysterious.

DOptical:
Nah. Jesus called El. Not Allah.

Did you even realise that Jesus (Yeshu) was bearing God's name? Yeshu name is coined from the word ''Yahweh".

That's why the Christians says

Jesus (Yeshu/Yahweh) = Lord (Eloah/Elyon/Elah).

In Yoruba religion, it is

Ayeraye = Oluwa Olorun Eledumare.

The begotten child is simply the visible manifestation of Eledumare who's a spirit. The begotten child later became flesh and was born of a virgin woman (Oyigi) and the spirit of God dwelled within him. Just as John observed it on him like a dove.

Basically the names Allah, El, Elohim, Adonai, Jehovah and probably Eledumare represent the monotheistic conception of God in various religious traditions. Regardless of linguistic and cultural differences, these terms share core attributes.

Indeed some have variations in their concept of a monotheist God as some expand this monotheism into parts

Kingsempires:
is only a confused Christian that will say they don't worship Jehovah. God was called Jehovah in the bible

Perhaps they argue that Jesus never referred to God by that name. They however forget that the name Jehovah is a Latinized version of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), which represents the Hebrew name for God.

Jesus primarily spoke Aramaic and Hebrew. In these languages, He would have referred to God using terms like Elohim, Adonai, or simply as Father.

Jehovah itself was not used until around 1100 AD, long after the time of Jesus.

SIRTee15:
So tell us what contemporary evidence of Muhammed existence do we have? Even your hadiths were written 200 yrs after his death so they can't be called contemporary and their high possiblity of legendary embellishment to make Muhammed what he's not.

Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) existence in the 7th century is informed by various non-Islamic texts and anthropological evidence. Historical accounts from Byzantine and Persian sources, such as the writings of Theophilus of Edessa and John of Damascus, reference Muhammad and the rise of Islam, even though predominantly in negation of his message provide an external perspective on his life and influence. These texts illustrate that Muhammad was recognized as a significant figure during his time, often depicted in relation to the socio-political upheavals occurring in Arabia.

Archaeological findings too have unearthed inscriptions and artifacts that align with Islamic traditions while also corroborate historical timelines.

SIRTee15:
Calm down, books written late in 2nd century claiming to have been written by James or Thomas cannot be true. These disciples were long dead.
It's just common sense. That makes those gospel book instant apocryphal. The content in the books were unheard of until late 2nd century.

Interesting yard stick of comparison. Can you tell how many decades after Jesus were the accepted gospel canon written? These were how many decades after Jesus? Which one of them did Jesus physically witness?

SIRTee15:
because Allah is ONE AND HAS NO PARTS ACCORDING TO MUSLIMS.
IF ALLAH IS ONE, WHY CANT I WORSHIP HIS SHIN.

The concept of worshipping the shin of Allah does not align with Islamic teachings. In Islam, worship is directed solely to Allah in his entirety, not to any specific part or attribute. However, the mention of "the shin of Allah" appears in a metaphorical context in Islamic texts and requires interpretation.

The shin of Allah mentioned and other similar descriptions are metaphors. The "shin" represents something beyond human comprehension that indicates Allah's presence or an event on the Day of Judgment. These descriptions are not meant to be taken literally but rather point to a deeper, allegorical meaning. Islamic emphasizes that Allah is unlike anything in creation, as stated in the Quran: "There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the Hearing, the Seeing." (Quran 42:11). Thus, physical descriptions are seen as figurative language to convey concepts in a manner that humans can understand.

Kingsempires:
Yes like call the names of the Muslim communities that's what I meant

I am impressed by your apparent curiosity.

In 1958, the first known group conversion to Islam among the Igbo occurred in Enohia in Abakiliki Division, southeastern Nigeria. Okpani Nwagui, a Roman Catholic Christian who a year earlier had converted to Islam, mediated this conversion. He assumed the name Ibrahim Niasse Nwagui.

https://punchng.com/why-we-profess-islam-despite-discrimination-in-seast-igbo-muslims/

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/486318-inside-the-world-of-igbo-muslims-in-nigerias-south-east-region.html?tztc=1

MaxInDHouse:
So are you saying the call to Salat doesn't really matter in such places since they're already on the right path?

You sound like without a loud call to salat the prayer is invalid. If the few Muslims call themselves individually within their localty is it wrong?

How exactly does the call to prayer translate to being on the right path?

It seems you just want to put up a response

MaxInDHouse:
Our ancestors left idols to welcome books from foreigners doesn't inherently validate or invalidate the truth of the doctrines of their newly found faith it merely reflects a change in their personal beliefs!

It's wrong to think all African ancestors were idolaters.

There were indeed ancient Africans who worshipped God amidst idolators. These individuals or groups often faced challenges due to cultural pressures but managed to maintain their faith through various means such as oral traditions, rituals focused on their understanding of God, and community support.

TenQ:
1. Are You are surprised that it is impossible to find a perfect analogy between the Trinity of YHWH and ANYTHING in creation!?
This is because there is NOTHING in creation that is like YHWH!

Thank you for confirming the folly where direct or analoguos definition fail to explain trinity.
Where did you guys get it from?
How did it become a fundamental tenet of Christianity?

TenQ:
You asked for analogy and it was given.

But mules want to mindlessly argue over their stupidity rather than present a logical rebuttal and to show that Taoheed is superior.

Unfortunately, Taoheed is a dumb doctrine that limits Allah to the level of the Taoheed of Iblis.

I asked you some simple basic questions:
Can you show that Allah is Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent using the implications of the Taoheed?

A. Allah is NOT Omniscient:
Otherwise, tell me how Allah did not know that the boy slaughtered needlessly by Al-Khidr will not live to become an adult
B. Allah is NOT Omnipresent:
Otherwise, tell me if Allah can be upon his throne and beneath it at the same time. Tell be if Allah can be above the seventh heaven and below it at the same time.
C. Allah is NOT Omnipotent:
Otherwise, tell me if it is possible for Allah to enter his creation without ceasing to be Allah? Tell me if Allah can have a son without having a female consort?

Sadly you don't even comprehend who questions you.

But since you make the mistake in your statement do satisfactorily explain the Trinity with and without analogy that cannot be faulted?

I am surprised you all don't see the diversions due to an absence of a clear explanation of the trinity with or without analogy.