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afam4eva: Commercializing some of our attires can bring in money for states and other organizations in Igboland.

Do you mean selling the red hats to anyone?

afam4eva: It is tourism, so why shouldn't it??

What do you mean by tourism?

afam4eva: I think you're right. I have always wondered why Igbos have refused to commercialized the red cap.

Should culture be commercialized?

damilarelr: Yes I call it abuse because when a man failed to realise this defined responsibility, he goes ahead and worship something created by the Creator.

Like Christians who worship Jesus and shower all praises to him even though he isn't the creator or even claimed to be the creator. Oh, but you guys have so many denominations that we can't even know what an individual Christians thinks about the relationship of Jesus to Jehovah.

damilarelr: It is of a debased mind to worship mere objects and idols that cannot hear or talk, and far below what man is made of.

And that's why Christians carry a stake across their neck with a dead man across it and build this image on top of a mountain and pray to it. I wonder if Jesus last words were 'make replicas of my death place and worship the idol'. Let's not forget the many carving of the saints including Mary who some Christians pray to, and let's not forget the many stone monsters and saints carved in rock, marble and solid gold in churches around the world. How humbling.

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stillwater: ^^^Can you see the pattern? There is a majority in both countries you mentioned, Nigeria has no majority per se, no uniting factor, hence the craziness. We haven't even put into consideration politics, ethnic differences, and you people are quick to blame religion? England and the US were built on the auspices of Christianity also. Saudi Arabia and UAE both muslim countries doing well economically in comparison to Nigeria. So it's not because you're a pagan country or you're an atheist country, you have a free passport to development.

Obviously that wasn't the point, the point is that being Christians doesn't give you any divine privileges over an atheist or pagan. Also, we all know there are majority Christian and Muslim countries in Africa doing worse than Nigeria.

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Chylo: Most African traditions are demonic and evil joor, and they do not mix with christianity at all.
Go and be killing twins na, in the name of tradition and culture, mstcheeeewwww

There is no amount of human sacrifice that isn't in the old testament of the bible and on the request of the God of Judah. The fact that you're mixing warped traditions with core theological beliefs shows you know nothing about the traditions you're criticising. As they say "consider the source".

oiseworld: A life time is not enough to completely know God and his ways, for they are new every morning.

I would suggest reading the very thing you wrote. Japan is a majority 'pagan' country, Norway is majority atheist, Nigeria is mostly Christian and Muslim. I do not have to explain their positions development wise.

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Rossikk: You must be living on a different planet.

http://www.lagosrail.com/home/index.php

Insofar as what is being built and planned for Lagos is sufficient to cater to the Lagos population, and open to modification, you've no leg to stand on. In any case this stuff of comparing rail lines etc is the same error of equating growth with development. AGAIN, OF WHAT USE IS DELHI'S RAIL WHEN INDIA LEADS THE WORLD IN MALNUTRITION??

You can post images of all sorts of developments in India, it still doesn't answer that basic question.

Yes, there are lots of attractive websites from Nigeria promising to import second had equipment in the next 50 years.

So is light growth or development? Those growth have nothing at all to do with development? If not then tell that to the thousands dying every year on Nigeria's major highways. Leading the world in malnutrition can be understood when you're looking out for 1 billion people. Again, India's black out is nowhere as common as Nigeria's. Nobody said India was perfect.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/31/india-blackout-electricity-power-cuts

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The architecture of the Igbo people is almost as diverse as other parts of their culture. This thread will showcase different types of traditional buildings built mainly before colonisation and will include their origin and history if available. If you are going to contribute please include the origin of the building.

Most Igbo houses were private houses built alongside other buildings in a family compound enclosed by a large wall. The main entrance was usually a gate. The main materials used in building Igbo houses include mud, timber and raffia/palm stems which are used for the wall support of the walls and roofs, and the roof. There were different kinds of shapes and and sizes of buildings and compounds, which most buildings were housed in, and of course public buildings as well.

Most of the pictures are from here: http://ukpuru.tumblr.com/

damilarelr: So many atheist on this forum, anyways, it's blasphemous and an abuse of humanity to conclude we landed here by some evolutionary/scientific processes. If you claim there is no God, why do we have natural and artificial things? If man actually evolved from apes, why do we still have monkeys dying as monkey without turning to human being in our zoo today? Science failed to explain the Seven Wonders of the world, metamorphosis of a caterpillar into a butterfly, chemical formula of sperm fluid, principle behind rainfall and snow at the same location at different seasons of the year. Science failed to identify the source of wind, power of the sun etc. And you said there's no God?

You know what, the fact that you don't see the air you breath doesn't mean air doesn't exist, so also the fact that you can't see God doesn't mean He doesn't exist!

"Abuse of humanity", you're funny. Just because science hasn't explained something (which it's probably working on explaining) doesn't mean you have to disregard everything scientific. It's also funny that you concluded that those arguing in defence of African ancestral religions against Judaic beliefs are automatically atheists (unless there was an atheistic debate going on that I did not get).

ROSSIKE: Guy, NO LIGHT to operate the thing.

Meanwhile, Gov. Fashola will have a thing or two to say about that soon, with his launching of EKORAIL.

If you mean the light rail project, then there is nowhere in Lagos or the rest of Nigeria that is being built (or planned) to match this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Delhi_Metro.jpeg/640px-Delhi_Metro.jpeg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Delhi_metro_rail_network.svg/640px-Delhi_metro_rail_network.svg.png

Or this (main railway):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Gare-New-Delhi-int%C3%A9rieur.JPG/640px-Gare-New-Delhi-int%C3%A9rieur.JPG

It's been running for the months and years India had light (including their main functional railway and soon-to-be/planned light rail), power cuts happen in every country, only not everyday in better developed countries unlike Nigeria.

Anywaaaaay...

I believe the base of most Igbo magic/religious beliefs is on Ndi Ochie (ancestors) Agbara, Anyanwu, Arushi, and most important of all Chi-Ukwu, Chi-ne-ke. The Agbara spirit and the Anyanwu force both live in the sun. Ndi Ochie are the dead ancestors of the Igbo people and live around the sun or in the sky. The Agbara spirit is an agent of the Chi-Ukwu, the Agbara carries out missions for Chi-Ukwu. Anyanwu is the perfect spirit, or the ideal that every man should strive to be like because she is most close to Chi-Ukwu, The sun is believed to be it's dwelling place, and I think the Igbo believe the sun is her eye. The Arushi are the 'patron saints' that were created as a congregation of males and females by Chi-Ukwu, they live in Chi-Ukwu and manifest as spirits in different places in world, for example they can minfest in a stream, however there are Arushi that are general enough that they can be found in most or all Igbo communities.

The general Arushi includes the earth deity, Aja ana, in particular which is at the head of the Arushi and was created by Chi-Ukwu in order to maintain order and peace, and to organise the world. She is the most important Arushi so much so that all crimes are said to be against her. She can punish people by any means which has given her the reputation of the deity of justice, even when she can be of peace and harmony (you may have heard of nso na ala, she's where this comes from) because all are upon her. She is against bloodshed of any kind even during a fight or war, and is especially against suicide since she regards every human or being (mortal or immortal) as sacred which is why suicide victims are not buried in her. The only time this rule of non-violence is changed is for food or self defence. There are many other lesser Arushi, actually hundreds, but the most famous include Amadioha, the deity of thunder and judgement patron of fair-skinned men, Njoku, deity of yam, Ekwensu, jester deity and malevolent spirit, and Ikenga, patron of success and deity of the cult of the right hand.

The most important aspect of Igbo theology is Chi-Ukwu, Chi-ne-ke which is the perfect creator, they created everything, it is said to be everywhere, it is omni-everything and is above all religions, including that of the Igbo. Igbo dibia or shrine visitors have to pray to it before any important ritual is carried out.

Delhi Metro:

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emmatok: Well, there is noting wrong about partaking in our tradition and cultural heritage.

But what Christianity is against is IDOL-WORSHIPING of any form.

Oh really?

https://www.comeaside.com/images/scan0003.jpg

GboyegaD: Some of the eyos are dedicated to gods mainly the top 5 called eyo orisa. if you choose to do the fancy ones and some other person misinterpret it then you have the blame. Remember Apostle Paul said "If eating meat would make my brother stumble, I rather not eat meat".

So what are the detrimental/illegal aspects of 'traditionalism' in your community?

onila: Are we playing against argentina or America next someone confirm

United States, 2/Aug. 10:15.

redsun: At the time oyinbos were selling the scam to our ancestors,they were busy beheading,burning at stake and impaling weaker citizens all over europe.

The olympics everybody hypes about today,including xtian, was traditionally set up to worship greek god,zeusa. It is paganism.

I wonder what will happen if you tell Nigerian Christians that the university originated from Islamic culture, and that Christmas, the current Calendar they use, and many other beliefs they follow are of pagan origin?

Chidera Favour: O boy remind u dt worshipn idol is also our traditional culture b/4, 4 me a real christian should avoid himsef in partakn of some dose cultures dem.since u are a christian u hv 2 4gt all dose things unless u want 2 stain ur christian lif.na u kno oo

When Christians are praying at a cross, at mother mary, or any other statues of patron saints, what are they doing? Is it not worshipping an idol? When did Jesus or God tell you to pray to Mary or make figures of patron saints? Isn't there human sacrifice ordained by the Judaic God in the bible, Torah and Koran?

"The veneration and recognition of patron saints is generally discouraged in Protestantism, especially Calvinism, as a form of idolatry."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patron_saint

Most Nigerians do not know their culture or traditions, at least fully. All they believe is that their ancestors wore grass skirts, inflicted misery and evil unto everyone, and beheaded anyone they could get their hands on. But at the same time, they'd be the first to talk about "spirit of dog" possessing them in some warped Christian scam church.

[quote author=De-Grace01]To you and all those supporting u to join better hv a rethink. A young boy like u should be refine and think of something better to do wt ur like instead u r here seeking for support or courage to kill ur future. For ur own interest do not join rather engage urself more deeply in God and Christian activities u will never regret it. Shallom!!![/quote]So if Christianity is the light and traditional beliefs are of the "devil", why is the Igbo ethnic group, for example, more populated than that of many Christian countries? Why didn't all the ancestors kill themselves with "juju"? A second question is why would God allow countries with a rising atheist population (like the UK) to be better developed than super Christian African countries like Nigeria? Ask yourself.

GboyegaD: It is a personal decision. Growing up, I used to think I wanted to have my own eyo because I believed I would become a chief in my hometown Lagos Island however, of late, I just realised if care is not taken, one may not be able to draw the border line between cultural entertainment and traditionalism. Besides, I have many younger ones who look up to me as such, I have always learnt the need to be careful about my decisions so that those who do not have strong values do not fall because of what I do as they may choose to do same and go far beyond reasonable limits.

What are the detrimental/illegal aspects of 'traditionalism' in your community?