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BiriboofOpobo:
It is you who are a liar. Also if you were not reading we do have a indigneous language called IBANI, the same language which our name, festivals,titles ,dances are named from, and a language which has been here for centuries. Unless you can identify what Amanyanabo, Opubo(opobo) meaning igbo, I suggest you keep quiet. Also, speaking on African tradition, when The Ibani en cultured Jaja as one of them, he ceased being igbo, even though he was born an igbo. Never did he refer to himself as Eze, nor did he answer a igbo name as ibani man.


I am starting to see that you are completely ignorant, if not idiotic and have little sense. Perhaps instead of arguing with someone who probably your junior, you should start building up your own people so that unlike your ancestors, you actually leave Behind a good legacy.

Oh an on final note, what shared customs??

Oh, cool, but Jaja, en cultured as you want to make it seem, made the official language of Opobo still Igbo, the Amanyanabo does treks to Imo State to see his kinsmen. Little to nobody speaks any other indigenous language there fluently which is why Ijaw nationalists are trying to force feed Ibani, so what other language is indigenous to Opobo? Say the truth, how many people have conversations in Opobo in anything other than Igbo and Pidgin? There are Igbo landmarks that have Ibibio and other names, like Ibini Ukpabi, and so what is your point? Just a few words here and there don't make a difference to the mother tongue, just like English isn't considered French despite all the borrowings.

drnoel:
Imo/ Abia axis u say. Did grow up there but worked there a long time and never heard of it. Did I also mention my dad is from Imo around Orlu district and I spent sometime in that region and never saw it practiced there too. I did hear mentioned that such was in effect in the past.

It's practiced more to the Imo River side, Imo - Abia border.

Anyway, this discussion is pointless because Ndi Opobo and Bonny will continue speaking Igbo at the end of the day.

BiriboofOpobo:
Yet it was named after a IJAW name, the people there have IJAW names. If a white man were to come and say to you if you speak english then your British , would you take him seriously. English is the official language of nigeria and yet we're not Englishmen. Are you really that dumb to not know the difference between native and most common spoken laguage? Please, let those who are actually educated speak.

Opubo does not have any other indigenous language, there is no indigenous language that it was founded with other than Igbo, the promotion of any other language as 'authentically native' is as a result of modern day politricks. The difference between the English example and the Igbo in Opobo is that Opobo only speaks one language authentically, all others are imported, the town was founded with Igbo, the founder of the town is Igbo (whether you like it or not, that is African culture), many of the people who founded the town with Eze Jaja have Igbo ancestry either through assimilated ancestors or their mothers who are overwhelmingly hinterland Igbo women, the town has Igbo mannerism, customs and even values (especially in business and trade), and the Amanyanabo travels to hinterland Igbo towns to greet his kinsmen.

Stop making convoluted comparisons when they hold no weight, the 99.9% of Nigerians who speak English also have an indigenous language, have no British or European ancestry, have no English heritage, and their hometowns weren't founded with the English language.

By the way I am not claiming anyone as anything they do not want to be, but you will not be allowed to just be continuing your lies here.

BiriboofOpobo:
You speak english and yet are not white, since when does a common language become a native language?

Opobo was founded on Igbo, the official language of Opobo is Igbo. If Igbo is not your language you're not from Opobo, maybe you rode a canoe from Bonny recently, oh, wait they speak Igbo too.

He meant 200,000 jobs will be free because people lost them.

NgwaManNaija4LF:
I do not turn my back on my fellow Igbos, but what we are talking about here is your claim for rape of which I totally disagreed with you.
The link you sent has nothing to do with greater Ngwa people. They should not be coward in dealing with those monsters called fulanis that is my stance here.

You see what I mean? Ndi Igbo need help, and not just from the military.

waternogetenemy:
u joker! have u learnt hausa?

Dey there, when I earn PhD in Hausa studies you will still be at primary level.

NgwaManNaija4LF:
What is Ngwa lad you idioot, we don't have such thing there and as far I know, there was never a rape in Ngwa land by fulani man before, Lair! Give me the link of rape story of shut up for life, do you think Ngwas are coward like your kind? Mumu.

The fact is that Fulanis will never try shiit in Ngwaland the day they try such, they will end up in soup.

[size=14pt]"While receiving the member representing Aba North/Aba South federal constituency, Hon. Ossy Prestige in Aba, the people of Aba La Ohazu community in Aba South council area of Abia, sent a save our soul message to government over the activities of herdsmen in the area. “We are seeking assistance to Aba La Ohazu farmers who were affected by Fulani herdsmen rampage on their farm crops. Our crops were destroyed by the Fulani cows. We are law abiding citizens, we won’t take the law into our hands,” their spokesman, Eze I.I. Nankwu, told the lawmaker."[/size]

Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/08/murder-seminarian-tales-herdsmens-attacks-igboland/

Shame on you for turning your back and disassociating with other Igbo people when times are down, that is the real cowardice.

NgwaManNaija4LF:
Bende people are cowards, we are waiting for them in Ngwaland so that our soup will be sweet again.

Is it Ngwa lad that youths were crying and protesting on the motorway because Fulani was raping their women.

You see, this you peoples problem, if it had happened to other southerners it would be because they are cowards and not the Igbo, if it had happened in another Igbo state, they are the cowards, now it's happening in your state and you've managed to demarcate yourself, soon you'll be talking about how your section of the village is braver than the rest. And then yo people will be coming online to do Anambra vs. Imo, Abia vs. Kafanchan.

Ndi Igbo can be fucking stupid at times.

Dreal11247:
Every agenda to islamise this country shall fail woefully and everyone that will stop at nothing but to islamise this country shall die in Jesus name Amen

Amadioha con join for Jesus back as well. Amen!

jahsharon:
This is the third Ibo girl that FFK will be with publicly apart from Bianca whom he fuccked secretly before he came out to announce it publicly. I think FFK has a thing for bleached Ibo girls.

But why always bleach Ibo, there are bleached girls from all over Nigeria na. Hmm, na waoo!

waternogetenemy:
If dem like make the whole North and South west speak hausa, this generation of igbo youth and the future leaders of tommorrow have told dem that on Biafra we stand.


U kill us, our Children will grow and repeat it again, that we want Biafra.

And what about the Biafrans in Lagos and Abuja, the ones with all the money? They and their children must learn Hausa na, or is it that language called Igbo that nobody can speak properly anymore that they will speak?

You people better start learning Hausa! The only language that matters in Nigeria apart from English and Pidgin.

No offence, but this must be some kind of albinism, white people don't even look that white, she's not even glowing, this one is radiation, lol. It's a joke o!

Ugonnax:
Igbo women and beautiful skin are like 5 and 6.

Even colonial whites wrote extensively when they arrived Igboland they observed that the women were different from the rest of other African places they had been to; they were tall, slender, fair and exquisitely beautiful as seen with European women, closed quote.

Why can't Igbo women stand on their own without being compared to Europeans?

Abbeyme:
A hearty congratulation to the lady.

In fact, I thin the Igbos have the largest numbers of lawyers in Nigeria. They are just into law.

Nice one. That's why you can hardly cheat them, cos they are enlightened about their rights.

If you've argued with an Igbo man before you'd know why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZzBd41NuZw

Kagawa10:
But how comes the ibo woman and her husband close to us has these huge tribal marks on their face? At first, I thought they were Oyo people but I realised their Yoruba accent looks strange, so I asked them and they said they are ibo and I've seen them speaks ibo language too.

I don't know, maybe she says she's Igbo for convenience, although I don't know any other group in the east that has such marks.

For the record, bringing up this information does not reflect any taste or dislike for ethnic marks so I don't take 'accusations' of ethnic marking as an insult, I think they can look quite good and is a tradition embedded in African civilisation, just setting the record straight that's all. The same goes for nudity.

You people understand what this means right? This sets a precedent and a price marker for all her future auctioned works, the woman is going to make millions.

Kagawa10:
Nope, some old pics of the ibos shows them wearing animal hides and leaves!

Where are the pictures?

Kagawa10:
That tribal marks looks close to ichi than Yoruba tribal marks.

And like I stated earlier, the woman in the provision store close to us has a huge tribal mark on her face and on the face of her husband and they are both ibos!

The earlier picture is quite graphic and looks nothing like ichi which is quite fine and intricate whereas the former looks like it was hacked into the child. Again ichi isn't tribal or ethnic, it's a mark of rank taken on by choice which has virtually faded away in the last century.

I don't know any other Igbo ethnic mark used today that can be described as "huge" as you're implying, the ethnic marks were only used briefly during the slave trade by riverine Igbo people, apart from that the only surviving facial marks are the small medicinal marks some people have by their temples which are only noticeable in most cases upfront.

Kagawa10:
My point is we've always have something close to ankara, which is adire and ankara coming in to replace them doesn't negate the fact that Yoruba were the ones known to wear such.

On your second statement, Yoruba were distinctly found with clothes, not leaves nor animal skins.

Well, that's okay, as long as we know that ankara is not indigenously African.

Okay, I was just wondering why you needed to point out that leaves weren't worn when neither of the groups we're talking about wore leaves nor animal skins for daily casual clothing.

Kagawa10:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/4542552_mark1_jpeg_jpegeda5178fd7ac6f487f12670f1c85df68

That's an ibo's tribal mark! It's called ichi!

Can you see why I said yours is even worst and that your people suffers from inferiority complex?

What part of Igboland is that child from? Stop it.

This is ichi, it's not a tribal mark but a mark of rank that's undertaken by the bearer by choice in their adulthood.

https://i.imgur.com/cBqafVT.png

Kagawa10:
I never said they are the same! I said they are similar to the locals we have and seeing them at that time, we had no problem accepting them and incorporating the techniques. Today, several kinds of Ankara are being made at Ibadan!

No doubt the dutch print had influence on ours but even the dutch had to tailored theirs to meet with african desired patterns!

That said, you haven't debunked anything.. Yoruba were found with clothes before colonialism. The poor may put it on just their waist while the rich wore the full attire, but one major fact is we weren't seen with leaves!

Okay, and the Dutch wax print was introduced to other areas of west Africa, so what's you point?

What is the significant point about these leaves you're talking about, both of the groups were found with textiles so what are you on about?

Kagawa10:
It's like you have basic comprehension issues or maybe you're just stupid!

I stated that we were the first to accept Ankara and incorporated the techniques because the fabrics looked similar to the local ones we produced here. And for your info, Adire comes with several different colours! It's not just limited to one unlike you implied!

https://aninoogunjobi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Tie-and-dye-or-adire-fabrics-in-various-colours.jpg

This is a very far-fetched assertion and tie-dye is never the same thing as batik, you still cannot compare the fabrics you posted above to the intricate batiks from Indonesia or the printed ankara.

This is a picture of Igbo women from Arochukwu settlements in the 1900s, the woman on the right is clearly wearing imported cloth, so there's no such thing as another African group influencing the Igbo in tastes for European fashion unless it's the people in the delta.

https://i.imgur.com/WdHumdZ.jpg

Kagawa10:
I think I already confirmed that you're really stupid!
If that's not some cloth at their waist, what are they?
Your stupidity can't even deduce that last pics must have been some form of festive of gods or some women getting naked to curse someone, just look at the well dressed people behind them for crying out loud! Besides, they still have clothes on, not leaves unlike the Ibos!

Be pissed off at OPCNAIRALAND instead who was the person trying to put a false presentation together to prove another kind of goalless point which needed to be debunked. There are pictures already posted here with Igbo women and their indigenous cloths so you're not making any sensible point.

Kagawa10:
Simple indigo you say? The several colours that were displayed above is what? You're talking bullshite!

Ankara looks similar to adire and Yoruba were the first to adopt it and make it popular before other folks jumps to it! Kapish!

You may be visually impaired, so let's compare them side by side.

Indonesian batik:

https://i.imgur.com/3jN8N9a.jpg

Ankara:

https://i.imgur.com/XGmbLoN.jpg

Adire:

https://i.imgur.com/6qs1pqe.jpg

Don't try and stretch some kind of relationship between both fabrics to form some kind of point that's going nowhere. Ankara was introduced by Europeans, you have to be really silly to try and claim the origins of such a thing. What we're talking about here is style and type of uses, in this case the style in aso ebi.

OPCNAIRALAND:
The 50s picture is very relevant. Her adornment has meaning and history, it speaks overall of the society she is a member of.

Im glad you brought out this picture of Ijebu women. For a very long time explorers had asked permission to enter into the sanctum of Yoruba Temples and their request was always turned down. Around 1940s the restrictions were a bit relaxed due to influence from Yoruba scholars who wanted to document for anthropological records and history. So access were given into the outer rooms to allow pictures, interviews and sometimes observation of cult rituals.

This was one of the recordings of high priests of a female cult in the Sungbo Temple. This is their regalia when in the Temple.

Sungbo is formaly referred as Bilikisu Sungbo. She is the famous Queen who bore a child for King Solomon of the dynasty of King David. Her resting place is in Eredo.

The woman in foreground sits with feet rested on a log. In other words, in a state of divine purity, with a tefillin resting on her head and bears the star of david and other insignias of office. She is the high priest. Others to her left and right are ranking mystics in varying degrees of ascension or mysticism. Outside the Temple they will dress in normal clothes with a shawl draped on the shoulder to indicate they belong in Sungbo temple.

Okay, these ones then:

https://i.imgur.com/IC24brj.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6JyE8CE.jpg

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1410377&partId=1

https://i.imgur.com/CgS6GjB.jpg

OPCNAIRALAND:
This picture highlights the problem I outlined earlier in regards to traditional Ibo clothing and style.

This woman wears damask, but we know damask is not an Ibo material. She has beads but we also know thats not an Ibo jewelry. Mention damask and we know you are talking about Yoruba, mention coral beads and we knoq you are referring to Edo and proto Edo culturea.

So what explains why this Igbo woman is wearing outfits that are foreign to Ibo culture? Is this another evidence of acculturation or assimilation and borrowing of foreign clothings and style?

The problem now, like before, is that you're listing two imported objects as invented or original African artefacts. We know, or we should know, that coral beads are from the Mediterranean and was used by the Portuguese as a trading item in the Niger Delta. Damask is obviously not an African material so the idea that that is an influence from another African culture is false.

These are women from Onitsha in 1880.

https://i.imgur.com/jNTWm6r.jpg

These are women from Onitsha in 1905.

https://i.imgur.com/h5L8nnG.jpg

OPCNAIRALAND:
Where is pazienza, feed your eyes on these pictures.

The first one and second picture you see beside the nice yummy brea.sts for good squeeze and suck and their hairdo nothing else on the girls in this Igbo picture is impressive. Look at their feet and the metal plates. You also see some ivory on them but no coral beads.

The third picture is an Igbo woman taken in the 60s, (sixties) you see the george and the blouse. No beads, no gele, no buba.

The fourth picture is a Yoruba woman taken in the 50s (fifties). You see she wore velvet, in different style to the one I posted earlier. For this and the earlier Yoruba woman you see the elaborate adornment with gold jewelries on ears, around neck, on wrist and fingers. It is easy as well to tell class, civilization and beauty. If the lady in second picture had been wearing english gown and not iro and buba it would be impossible to identify as Yoruba because of the setting and style....sophisticated!
Im sure you heard that word before.

The presentation you've put together can be easily done for other groups of women, obviously the lace blouse isn't an African inventions, so the 50's photograph isn't really relevant.

Ijebu women

https://i.imgur.com/0qkMYPm.jpg

Aimless shopping malls everywhere.
Somebody really cursed Africa.

Hypocrisy is berating Okorocha and hailing Orji Uzor Kalu.

I pity some Igbo people.