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Sirrexninefour:
Umuada Doing Us Proud Everly!

Unu na emesi ihe ike!!

Onye asiri ya jide ka oji, na eme Ofuma!!!

O bu aka aja aja, na enweta Onu mmanu mmanu!!!!

Nke unu koro na ala, ya fuo ume, Oburu na elu, ya mia mkpuru!!!!!

Kama O ga adoro na ala, ya doro na afo!!!!!!!

Udo Chia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O wu ya.

Ubenedictus:
Take a look at this ika names, ehi, ose, they are edoid.
1. ehiabor- Gods blessing
2. ehioma - GOD is good
3. ehiwarrior- it is god we pray to
4. omiken- mercy
5. ehimeninomiken God has shown me mercy
6. osedodo- God i plead
7. ehiedu- God leads
8. kpanmiose- God i thank you
9. ewere- good luck
10. osebor - Gods blessing

These names are hybrid, just like Ika culture for the most part.

ehi (Edo) + oma (Igbo)
ose (Edo) + dodo (Igbo)
ehi (Edo) + wa riọ (Igbo)
ehi (Edo) + -m (mụ) e nịne omiken (Igbo)

I'm not even sure if 'ehi' is Edo because Ika is Igbo based and the lexicon is mostly Igbo.

Ikechukwu48:
Even within the ika community, there are several ika groups that are proudly igbo such as igbodo, Owa, etc. I bet you you aren't aware the current king working alongside Asagba to unite the entire igbo community is the current obi of Owa. Guess what? Owa kingdom is an ika community. I bet you didn't know that yet you judge all based on agbor community. Smfh.

And yes I'm aniocha. I know anioma very well and anyone from anioma land will tell you within our group the deniers are a minority, they are just very loud and attention seekers.

The sad about the entire scenario is the denier you found are caused by SE. Why? Because you lots listen to Yoruba and Hausa/fulani and then insult and belittle your own ppl because you believe "anioma hates Igbo" simply because of what the two groups that hates you tell una. Continue though!

Yes, I know Owa traces it's ancestry to Nri, but the people who are vocally anti-Igbo in Ika and Ukwuani are harshly so, it isn't just a denial but they like to add insult to it as if being Igbo is an insult to them some do not like the idea of their children marrying eastern Igbo people, and all this leaves the greatest impression on the 5 state Igbo people especially in this slowly fading aftermath of the post-war era where there's anti-Igbo sentiment everywhere.

Ikechukwu48:
Some of you people are Ridiculously pathetic. The part of deniers in anioma is in the minority but obviously, you SE would rather listen to yolobas and hausa/fulani that Hates una guts than listen to your brothers from SS.

So can I really blame you? You dance to the music of your haters.
You are disgusting

Ukwuani and Ika people are particularly vocal and harsh about their anti-Igbo stance, so people generally just lump everyone over the Niger together, I'm guessing you're Aniocha?

Shym3xx:
Oh, stop grasping at straws - Igbos were slaves all over present day Delta, Bayelsa, and Rivers states.

And if Small Bonny Kingdom could have that many Igbo slaves to the extent that they outnumbered Bonny folks. What makes you think Bini didn't have twice the number as slaves?

I can see you're obviously in shithead mode today. Carry on.

Shym3xx:
Oh, shut up. If you claim you have ancestral ties to a place, doesn't that mean you're from there? Don't play semantics with.

And I was going to stop posting on the thread, but the fact that you open ya ignorant mouth to chat shitt with the aid of ya fingers is the reason why I'll post these excerpts below:



This is an account from British explorers in 1900 and according to them, Igbos were slaves all over the Delta districts and the outnumber the original inhabitants.

Swallow the humble pie and accept you're wrong. Don't let me post more damning academic proofs.

You obviously understand that the places referred to as the 'Delta districts' in 1900 is different from Delta State of 1991. Don't be dubious.

Furthermore, it's only in Igboland you hear such things as Anambrarian, Abian, Imolite, Delta Ibo, etc. Other parts of the country are not stuck on states as they are on a collective identity unlike the Igbo.

This is one of the advantages of having a centralised society like the Yoruba and Hausa or Fulani. Nobody can deny being a descendant of a particular king or kingdom in Yoruba land, but in Igbo land you have thousands of petty tribes. Whereas you have a large area like Adamawa as a subsection of the Fulani or Ekiti or Ijebu as a subsection for the Yoruba, you have thousands of villages and towns who have strong separate identities in Igboland and a lack of a collective identity is one of the disadvantages of this set up, although there are advantages over the centralised outlook.

Most Nigerians are ignorant in varying degrees, Igbo peoples own mumu is that they take state boundaries as tribal boundaries. An Igbo person can demarcate themselves to the family level because there's not proper foothold for unity. Unless you can make people understand state boundaries are just that, and that so call geopolitical zones are just that, you will continue to have people displaying all kinds of ignorance.

Whatever.

musicwriter:
Its ironic you say western education has nothing to do with our preference for English and you and I are here speaking English.

If we were colonized by France, you and I would have been speaking French right now.

Are we speaking English here on Nairaland because we want to, or because that's the language we were taught in school? Come on!.

Of course, white people don't have to be here anymore to enforce their policy of having us speak their language. They have done their job many years ago and left!. Its now up to us to free ourselves from the shackles of intellectual slavery, but it appears as you've shown, we have been brainwashed beyond repair and no longer understand English is not our language.

I told you already, Asian countries realized the dangers of making foreign languages a priority in their schools and society, so they banned foreign languages in their schools. They banned it because they wanted to be themselves. Its the right thing to do!.

There is a very large thread where Igbo speakers are writing in English, there's no white man stopping anyone here from writing in Igbo. I did not make any point about western education being or not being the reason for a preference of English, instead the discussion has been about the use of Igbo in education, but your points seem to be coming from the idea that white people told Igbo people to stop speaking their language and they just agreed or whatever. Any language you use as your main mode of communication is your language, however the majority of people in Nigeria do not speak fluent standard English.

Asian languages did not ban foreign languages in their schools, in fact today they're doing the opposite and introducing especially English so their children can compete better internationally, their people were just okay with using their main mode of communication as instructional probably because they didn't have a scattered tribal identity like the Igbo had, they had more of a unified state, and because of that and because these are sovereign nations most of the people speak one general language, unlike in Nigeria which is a federation where everybody has to accommodate each other.

musicwriter:
Of course, you don't realize there's an attack against our native languages across Africa, because we no longer remember how we became English speakers in the first place. We no longer remember English language was forced down the throats of our ancestors, againsts their will, hundreds of years ago. Though white people have left Africa, but according to Patience Jonathan ''their manhood lives on''. The so called education now have us doing the job of white people for them!.. Its a shame!

Well, as long as you acknowledge there's an attack on Igbo language by ''ourselves'' that's o.k, and that's exactly why I want us uproot that system of education that have us place priority on English, then install our own model of education that place priority on our native languages across Africa.

I've never heard of Japanese studying in China, unless there're prehistoric mentiones. But, even at that, it would be similar to the notion that Europeans and Asians studied in Africa thousands of years ago. In that case you also have to agree we Africans taught Eurpeans and Asians how to read and write, because its also on record they studied in Africa thousands of years ago.

As I've said before, China was the power centre of east Asia up until the fall of their emperor, the east Asian states like Vietnam, South Korea, and Japan all took their educating from China a thousand years ago which is why these countries either still do use Chinese writing for their languages or they have remnants of it.

There is no attack today from any white people on the Igbo language, an Igbo parent purposely not teaching their children Igbo because it would supposedly corrupt their English has nothing to do with any white men today. In the olden days, yes, western education was in English but the annihilation of Igbo was not enforced in any way, in fact many of the first Igbo literature was written or commissioned by European missionaries, after they left Igbo speakers could have easily moved their institutions to Igbo speaking instructed places, but they didn't, they did the opposite. No white people have anything to do with that. The French colonised Vietnam and the Dutch Indonesia, yet these countries are sovereign and they made their languages official, most African countries have a west European language or Arabic as an official language.

musicwriter:
Well, I'm not just calling for Igbos to do this alone, but I'm calling on the entire Nigerian nations to adopt their various languages in schools. Remember, this does not mean banning English. English would still be studied, but shouldn't be placed above our native Igbo language.

And, there's a reason we prefer English. The reason is because the more we study English, the more we lose our own values in favour of English!. The more you speak a foreign language, the more you become the people that own that language. Such is the power of language!. We didn't just wake up one morning to prefer English!!. Its rather our stupidity of placing English above our native language that indeed deceive our minds telling us English it better. That's not the case in Russia, Japan, China, Iran, Korea, Germany, e.t.c.

No, you're wrong!. There's much more attack on our native languages across Africa. That attack is happening via the so called education, making it such an innocuous silent killer that you don't evem know its happening. Otherwise, how could you claim our people prefer English already and at the same time argue there's no attack on Igbo language? There's a silent attack- a kind of a cold war is happening under your nose!!

Intellectual slavery is the only reason anybody would consider a foreign language superior to their own language. So, the educationists that are scared to implement what I'm calling for are themselves victims of intellectual mind control. I want us end this chain of passing down inferiority complexe from generation to generation. Indeed, as you noted, the Celtic and Normans only dominated English for a while, but when England got their freedom they banned all foreign languages, except of course, the influence they already left on Englsh. You could consider that as a scar left after an injury. We already have more than enough of such scars in our various native languages across Afria.

Finally, as I said earlier, Japanese and Chinese language are different and have little or nothing in common. Chinese language belongs to a language group linguists call Sino-tibetan which in itself traces back to Proto Sino-tibetan. Japanese language on the other hand is classified as an Isolate. They have no known origin outside Japan. Of course, there've been so many hypothesis, sometimes sheer conspiracy theories to link together KOREAN, CHINESE, and JAPANESE languages.

I've researched all these things before, and still actively researching the relationship between language, education and development.

Here is a link by a Chinese-Japanese linguist and scholar explaining difference between Chinese and Japanese. See http://www.rodmellhouse.com/es/differences-between-chinese-and-japanese-in-a-not-so-nutshell-round-1-do-they-belong-to-the-same-language-family

I'm only talking about status here, the so called attack isn't an outside influence like the example languages histories, but it's an internal things, it's Igbo speakers who invariably are dumping the language. The discussion about Japanese was never about it's similarities with Chinese, but with it's status next to Chinese when Chinese was the language of education in Japan a thousand years ago, besides that there are thousands of terms, as I mentioned, that flowed into Japanese in which there are bother a Chinese reading of the Chinese characters used to write Japanese and a Japanese reading, 'sui' is a Chinese word for 'water' for example but it was imported into Japanese and is used in some terms relating to water.

musicwriter:
And we are not sovereign nation too?

If our educationists decide to do that, parents would have nothing to do about it, but accept it. Parents don't decide what happens in academia.

If indeed, we do that, an Igbo man would stop considering someone who doesn't speak English as illiterate, just like you cited in Japan.

And, No, Chinese was never a language in Japan. It was tiny Japan that instead controlled China and got part of China (Taiwan) to speak Japanese. You may want to check to get your history right.

By the way, do you know Britain itself did what I'm asking for?

Do you know, once upon a time Britain was also occupied by foreigners and they spoke the language of foreigners?

Do you know Britain once spoke Spanish, French, German, Dutch, Latin?

Britain spoke foreign languages as well when they were occuppied!. But, when Britain regained their freedom, they banned all foreign languages from the entire British isle, and instead adopted their native English language as the language of instruction. The year was 1362 and it was only then that English became an official language.

Britain itself have showed that foreign language isn't good for a sovereign nation; why should it be good for us?

The origin of English language. Everybody should see these videos, it's under 20 minutes, all.

The evolution of English language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIzFz9T5rhI
The origin of English language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEaSxhcns7Y
The history of English language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njJBw2KlIEo
How languages evolve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWDKsHm6gTA

The ministry of education or whatever is ran by the same Nigerians who prefer English over their language, besides that how will it be possible for them to make such a drastic decision without the support of most of the populace?

I know the history of the English language, but as you can see English under the Normans and Celtic under the Romans went underground during physical occupations, the Normans assimilated and the French was absorbed after hundreds of years and ceased to be the main language of the elite.

You're not looking far back into Japans history, Japan had no means of writing known today before the Chinese scholars arrived a thousand and some few hundred years ago and introduced writing as well as Chinese as the mode of writing and education to the Japanese, even today Chinese writing is used to write Japanese and they have thousands of terms in their language that's traceable to the southeast of China. China was the central power of east Asia for thousands of years, Japanese identity of being the 'land of the rising sun' is based on being east of China as named in ancient times. However the Japanese, as they started to get clout a thousand years ago, had sense enough to switch from Chinese to Japanese and tweaked the Chinese writing to suit Japanese.

Igbo speakers are not going through a quarter of the adversities these language mentioned went through, yet Igbo speakers are purposely not passing on the language to their children.

Toks2008:
Don't tell me you are doubting that.

I knew there was no way we could have experienced series of plane crashes back to back.

OK what about the one that has a bomb planted in it? oh you think a minister of aviation will lie about that?

If you know what goes on in the dark you will marvel.

It is the height of irrationality to conclude that a series of airplane crashes in a short time frame is due to extra terrestrial hybrid human beings. How can you suggest such a thing just out of no where? Rationally, airplane crashes like that could be due to a million and one rational explanations that do not require weird conspiracy theories, one being climate change, another being the staffing of airports, and a million other variables.

musicwriter:
Yes, its a revolutionary idea and one that would solve our problems. And many countries already did same long time ago.

1. Japan did so.

When the British got to Japan in the 1600 century, they ried to enslave them to no avail. They tried at least to install English language in their school curriculum, but the Japanese only tried it for a couple of years, discovered it wasn't good for their development and banned English from their schools. This's the only reason Japan is not a poor country today. You can be rest assured of this because the British succeeded in installing their language in nearby Philippines. What's the outcome? Poverty!.

2. Malaysia and Indonesia did so.

Between the 70's-80's, Malaysia and Indonesia (both also former British colonies) noticed education was't working and that they were getting poorer. They researched and discovered one is better taught in native language to be able to have a good grasp of subjects like Chemistry, biology, Physics. They discovered that native language is a natutal capital for conceptualizing science and that you cannot industrialize without science.

They started making this bold changes that I'm talking about. Malaysia tried reshuffling their educational system like the 6-3-3-4 we tried here in Nigeria before. They tried it but it didn't work, just as it didn't upgrade knowledge acquisition in Nigeria. They tried so many things until they banned English as a language of instruction in their schools, except of course few private schools where expatriates and other foreigners learn. That was in the early 80's, and it was from then that Malaysia and Indonesia over-took Africa. They suddenly began to develop!.

They began to develop because, using native language they began to study and understand science (how nature works) and was able to start manufacturing themselves out of poverty.

3. Brunei Darussalam did so.

Brunei also within Asia Pacific copied from Malaysia and Indonedia and paid priority attentiion to their Malay language as a language of instruction in schools and they began to develop as well.

Philippines till today remains the poorest country within that axis, because they (like African nations) have been brainwashed beyond repair. Just watch their soap opera and the height of their movie is always when a Philippino travel to America or Europe. They've been unable to untangle themselves from western intellectual control just like Africa. Well, the result is poverty!!

All this nations are sovereign and their people did not see the colonising language as superior as Africans do. The examples used above can only applied to the Igbo language if the populace is willing to switch to being Igbo language based instead of the mixture being used now. What I'm saying is that from observation I can see many Igbo parents don't even want their kids speaking Igbo let alone learning in it or being their main mode of communication. A Japanese would never refer to a Japanese person that cannot speak English as illiterate, whereas that is the norm in Nigeria, although in the past Chinese was the equivalent of a colonising language for Japanese speakers because that was the language of education, but they never let go of Japanese.

Keep killing, you here, when you finish killing all and Nigeria is overrun with a vermin infestation you all will learn the value of non venomous snakes.

musicwriter:
Why not!.
If Igbo is made compulsory in schools, students would just follow up naturally. The problem lie not in what people would say, but our intimidated educationists and scholars.

By the way, before our unfortunate contact with white people, we acquired knowledge using Igbo language. Or, did knowledge acquisition begin in Igboland when we met white people?

I'm talking about reconstructing ourselves and you're telling me people wouldn't like it. For your information, Mozambique, Zambia, and Gambia are already implementing policies to ban English from their schools. They want to go back learning naturally in their native languages as it should be. That's the right thing to do!

We had a life before we met white people.

I understand your goal, but we live in a time where Igbo people purposely only speak English to their children so Igbo wouldn't affect their children's English as so they say. How are these people who are the majority unfortunately going to do a 180 turn and go back to their language when they don't even know the basics of the ideology behind that. What you're talking about is a complete revolution that would require a complete overhaul of the education system which includes reorienting adults to what is going on around them.

Drchristian:
igbos sud b thankful to d yorubas for dis accommodation even in Osun-state. ..soon some we say igbo people are only in Lagos. there millions of millions of igbos in d West yet they will be insulting their host inluding calling Lagos a no man's land what an arrant nonsense.

Don't be silly, Osun is in Nigeria. Anybody who is a productive citizen should be able to live anywhere. Besides, you are not at liberty to discriminate against people anyway, it's not your right.

musicwriter:
Beyond this show, the most important thing they should do is make Igbo language a compulsory subject in school. Ohaneze should make Igbo language a priority subject in school and let our schools require ''credit'' in Igbo language and a ''pass'' in English.

You know what would happen? Every student would still study English, but the purpose of making Igbo a priority would be achieved.

Forget all that even, the only way to make Igbo relevant is to make it a language of instruction. Teach children maths in Igbo, would most Igbo people agree to this? In that answer lies the relevance of the Igbo language.

evilapc:
The unenlightened and undiscerning minds will never understand the dark secret beyond...FFK you are insightful

"Unenlightened" as regards to "hybrid reptilians" using plane crashes for human sacrifice? Mehn, Nigerians have officially lost it.

Doghari:
Do you think all these hausa/fulani and yoruba muslims claiming to be 'We SS' do not know what they doing. You'll see them claiming to hate Igbo and peddling the falsehood that Igbo needs SS oil. One of them is tuale4u. That's the only thing the monsurudeen posts about.
Why do you think they get angry when Easterners burst them and reveal their tribal marks?

Sane SSners will stick with SE, if not for the awareness created by Kanu, SEners wouldn't have invaded the social media to destroy the propaganda of the pro-dullards muslim surajudeens.

Radio Biafra is blasting right in the SE and SS. As long that happens, the SE and SS WILL LEAVE THE CONTRAPTION TOGETHER WITH THEIR COUSINS IN IDOMALAND, IGALALAND ETC. WE ARE NOT LEAVING ANYBODY BEHIND FOR THE ALMAJIRI TO KILL OFF. Shikena!

I think it's laughable how IPOB hates Muslims so much yet they are claiming Idoma and Igala as Biafra.

Honestly, if a so called leader is trying to help the economy, they would promote tourism by lodging in a part of their state. This is what people in civilised countries do, you would never see the former PM of the UK David Cameron holidaying in a house in Spain, Barack Obama goes to Hawaii only. Nigeria is just so tiring and the people who settle for such indiscipline don't make it any easier.

nabiz:
dont mine that idiat. I think i love ur idea of adding hebrew language in our secondery education curricula. It will help us as a christian in some research work

This a suggestion only a Hebrew slave would make.

Deepfreezer:
notorious Ezeagu.

Ow onye na kpom?

SlayerSupreme:
I don't understand some people o. Just a simple suggestion then all this insults about "inferiority" started. If not for the Igbo moniker I won't let that slide just like that. If people cannot disprove the Igbo are descendants of Gad then they should shut it whenever an Igbo claims so. I'm not wholely convinced myself but there's not much to go on while disproving the claim. I say to the nonentity again : ezeagu I will learn Hebrew and I suggest the Igbo should do so too. You can go to hell if you don't like it. Good day,again.

That's not how evidence works and theories are proven, you Hebrews are supposed to be the ones providing concrete evidence that the Uga you changed to Gad, which has no linguistic base in Igbo, migrated all the way from the Sinai and made a B-line thousands of miles to tropical west Africa. The onus isn't on Africans/goyims to disprove your farfetched inferiority complex driven claim, but for you Hebrews to shut everyone else up for good. Shalom!

SlayerSupreme:
I believe I didn't type in latin previously. Link or not. I said I will learn Hebrew. I can see you can't stop tagging me with that word "inferior". You are obviously part of the few nonentities who are Igbo here...Keep at it. Good day.

Don't you mean "shalom"?

Deepfreezer:
Really?, Our distant brothers are coming over.?

You're dreaming.

https://www.nairaland.com/1042018/israel-begins-mass-deportation-nigerians

SlayerSupreme:
I only made a suggestion and I specifically said it would be a personal endeavour on my part,mainly due to my faith. Don't ever refer to me in that manner again.

Well, it's a very pointless suggestion based on some delusional link to a very racist state, so, yes o, it is inferior way of thinking.

SlayerSupreme:
How about we learn Hebrew? Personally,I will. The muslims learn Arabic,why dont we,descendants of Jacob learn Hebrew? It will be great if we do.

Gosh, the inferiority is high with this one. Why don'y you learn Hebrew.

salabscholar01:
correct your English

That's your biggest worry?

10 to how many while the leader of the free world has how many?

https://i.imgur.com/E6frybx.gif