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Here's another identity I found about a Bonny king.

izac82:
Horsefall is a Kalabari war canoe house in Buguma city. I have been there.

Perhaps, there might be more than one war canoe houses then. There are no records of horses in the swamps neither was there any records of a European by such a name among those that visited the area those days.
Read below and make something out of it.

Igboid:
Ijaw is infecting everyone down there with Igbophobia.
I wouldn't hold my breath on modern Andoni not being Igbophobic.

Ok. They are not.

Many Igbos may not know but the Obolo language is a mixture of Ekoid, Ibibiod, Igboid and Ijoid languages. There are communities and markets there with clearly Igboid names. Some of them bear Igbo names like Uche Secondus, etc. There is popular name called Horsefall is Rivers State from Andoni. The origin of the name is from a woman called Nwanyi Osifolor. She was a good cook and was very wealthy such that she started a war canoe house which morphed into the house of Horsefall.
They call themselves Obolo people and their language is clearly a cross river language group. It's the Ijaws that call them Andoni which many historians used for them. They are not an Igbophobic group. I once met one of them and I learnt a couple of things from him.

Cantonese:
On that map where it says Igbo(4), Izon (3), Ibibio(2), can you please explain?

It means that all of them have other smaller dialects that were identified with other names e.g while Igbo is 334, Ukwuani, Ikwerre, Ekpeye, Ogba, etc have their own numbers but they fall under the same colour as Igbo.
Izon is the same thing too. They have dialects that are listed with another number different from the main Izon in Bayelsa but they fall under the same colour as Izon/Ijaw.

MelesZenawi:
I don't discuss omambala ethnic issues with strangers.

Next.

Mohammed or Muhammad, which is the correct one?

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MelesZenawi:
You don't know what you are saying neither do you hear clearly what he is pronouncing. Even Theresa Onuora is from Nnewi south, Unubi to be precise. It is Orizu not Ohizu. The r factor is there as even their cultural organization is Nzuko Ora Nnewi and not Nzuko Oha Nnewi.

Stop talking nonsense.

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A slimy snake like you shouldn't be allowed in any Igbo thread. You know nothing and should learn to shut up in such discussions.

Eastlink:
A welcome development. Abua, Bonny, Okrika, Andoni etc are unique tribes. Ijaws from Bayelsa should stay clear of Rivers states ethnic groups.

Even Abuloma belongs to the Obulom people who speak Obulom and Kalabari. Many more truth coming out.

Nwanyiogwashi:
No wonder they claim people that doesn't speak or understand their language as ijaw

Clearly, the INC is a franchise. They clearly spelt it out that one doesn't need to be indigenously Ijaw before you can join. It only becomes criminal when you add a people and start to alter their history for easy claiming in future.

Many more to go. Below is the true lingusitic representation of coastal areas of Rivers State. The Ijaws have been claiming all the different tribes there as Ijaw clans when clearly they are not. Isn't it preposterous how Ijaws have been claiming Obolos who clearly are not related to Ijaw in any way? One by one the truth will be revealed for all to see.

Below is the first map of Nigeria with colony of Lagos, Southern Nigeria and Northern Nigeria before 1914. The British later changed it for their political/economic expedience to our own disadvantage. Take note of the border above Idah and how it connects perfectly with the line that went to Western Nigeria. There are a lot of things done to put us in the mess we are presently.

KingEverest:
Culture and traditions I think, they are more closely related to Northerners than South or East, if you see some indigines of benue you won't even belive they are not Northerners

That's not true.

Igboid:
I think the Iguana thing in Bonny came from Aboh.
They have similar culture over there, you find the Iguana reverance anywhere Aboh had influence on.
Even in Orogun now part of Urhobo where Abohs once held sway and in Ndoni(Ndi-onu-iyi), the Iguana reverance is prominent.

Noticed also that the name Aboh called Bonny was written in the article the Ijaw guy shared.
All these shows that Aboh had great influence and contact with early Bonny and must have also supplied some of it's early occupants/Indigenes.

It's all making sense now. I

Aboh was a major business centre in the early and mid 1800s. She shipped thousands of slaves to Bonny through Brass. After slave trade was banned, some european ships used to hide in the shades of Brass to carry away slaves unnoticed by the British navy who were on the open seas around Bonny to enforce the ban. Some of those ships after loading and heading for the Americas when finally caught were those whose content were taken to Freetown, Sierra Leone.
The Igbos of Aboh call Bonny 'Oshimili-Ukwu'.

Ebi2233:
Kaiama Bayelsa Ijaw.
Asarama Andoni Rivers Ijaw
Amadaka Obolo Akwa-Ibom Ijaw
OkpoAma Nembe Bayelsa Ijaw

Kilibiama Ibani Rivers Ijaw
Oloama Ibani Rivers ijaw
AparAma Arogbo Ondo Ijaw
Ofunama Egbema Edo Ijaw
OpuAma Delta Ijaw
ObuAma Kalabari Rivers Ijaw.
AbuloAma Wakirike Rivers Ijaw
Mbiama Engenni Rivers Ijaw
AgudAma Epie Bayelsa Ijaw
AgudAma Ekpetiama Bayelsa Ijaw
Buguma Kalabari Rivers Ijaw

And so many others too numerous to mention.

The way you Ijaws find it so convenient to rename other peoples' settlement is so appalling. Engennis are not Ijaw but here you are claiming them as one. The Obolos are not Ijaws but here you are claiming them as one. Many communities in Andoni area are Ibibiod and Igboid but online it's you Ijaws claiming them. Una no dey shame?

Ekealterego:
1. Because as in the olden days, people Igbo people identify by their towns first and the Igbo second. Till today, that is why you hear more often, Mbaise man, Ngwa man, Nsukka man. In our towns and between fellow Igbos, we identify by our names first. All non-Mbaise Igbos will call them by their name, while they call other Non-Mbasise Igbos, Igbos. However, when they refer to themselves to Non-Igbos, they simply call themselves, "Igbos". Town or Tribe identity is important in Igbo language.

2. Bonny was a corruption of the word "Ubani" or "Obani" and "ibani" They all mean the same thing in Igbo language. All the European explorers right from Barbot in 1699 acknowledged the corruption of the name in their books.

And see the relationship in trade and commerce wen Igbos were compared to other groups.

CC: Bkayy Slayerforever, Fejoku, Igboid. It was clear here that Igbos were never at any point on the same league. This account is from Johnston in the 1800s.

We were miles ahead of the Ijaws who today are insulting us. There's no single area of comparison. Not in agricultural production, wood carvings, metalsmithing (Ijaws have no single record of any metalsmithing), cloth weaving etc. Their only saving grace was the magnanimity of Ndigbo who took them as equals and related with them fairly. They were a wretched bunch until a few on them ventured into the Eastern shorelines from their ancestral creeks in Bayelsa. You will notice in all of Ijaw history, wealth is only associated with those of them that related with Igbos right from Brass and Nembe into the Kalabari and Okrika Islands. It was our industry and sadly slave trade that helped them grow the little wealth their ancestors tasted. They will only understand this when oil loses value or run dry in their areas.
The king of Brass was like a vassal to Eze Obi Ossai of Aboh. He use to pay something like a tribute to him. Most of the yams, maize and domesticated animals including palm oil they used to survive they got from us. They have no single developed industry with the exception of salt production and fishing.

Why are people not commenting on this map? The language classification and the Ijoid language cluster was clearly shown here. There are many things that were exposed here if you compare it with google earth maps.
Nkoroo and Obolo are clearly Ibibiod but Ijaws always claim them.
* Notice the space where 417 and 418 were written as you head towards Bonny Island. Cross check the names of communities within that axis on Google Earth map.
* Notice the language partition on Bonny Island.

Anonymous15:
Oyigbo was a broker point. There are calabar quarters there, abriba, mbano camp and other camps there.
Osu's were sold by your fellow igbos at the meeting point at oyigbo. OKOLOMA the original name of Bonny had it's camp too at OKOLOMA in the broker point (oyigbo) and that is why it is still called OKOLOMA, same as calabar quarters,mbano camp, etc.
You bring the osu's amongst your Igbos and meet with the OKOLOMA and BRASSMEN who controlled the water territories and were middle men with the whites and sold them to the ijaws who inturn sell them to the whites. The ones who weren't selected were kept as domestic slaves in ijaw land and renamed into ijaw names.
If you all had the said rights and authority, why then were you renamed?
When a stronger nation takes people of another nation, the captives are renamed for instance in Babylon, hananiah, azaria and co were named into shedrach meshak and Abednego.
Or did you wilfully rename yourselves into ijaw names? If so, I thought you people love your culture and are proud of it, I'm curious.

Was Oko Jumbo or Maduka (his father) also renamed? He was a regent at Bonny in his time. There are also other notable Igbo names in the history of Bonny. People accept or reject names on their own volition. Jaja was a perfect example. Jay-Jay Okocha is another one currently. Naming doesn't take away the origin or tribal association of a man.
It's funny when you talk about culture with regards to Bonny. The greatest festival on display in Bonny bears the hallmark of Igbo culture. The boat regattas and their Nwaotam masquerade. Which Ijaw masquerade is of note in Bonny?
History documented that the Igbos in Bonny were of two categories namely those free borns and the slaves. This was why Igbo dominated Bonny as far back as the late 18th century as recorded by Barbot.
No be today Igbo don dey for Bonny. The mistake Igbos made in the past is regarding every group of persons as equals and relating cordially with them. If we had been brutes, things like these won't have come up today.

AlexBells:
Unfortunately you don't have such capacity to close it, and I still maintain my point and there are many who had argued in my favour and even those who argued in your favour just like you have no concrete arguments but emotion laden running of mouth.

I'm done with your already. It's a useless thread that doesn't deserve to stand because it lacks any solid base for discussion.
I'll be looking forward for any thread you start again. If it has a useless content, I'll bring it down with better argument. Let others be the judge.

AlexBells:
The thing about your people is that you start off with insult and think that once you try to intimidate anyone they go cold, actions and reactions would always be equal and opposite.

First of all, if you are ready for reasons then you ought to know that Mass means to a certain degree and size, look mass don't mean majority if that's what you think,

There is Mass Aquaphobia and you did not confirm the magnitude of my concern, if 1000 children are born blind within a certain year, that's massive but it does not even represent 1% of childbirth let's even assume that we use Igboland as a target for the studies.

The thing is that people are easily acting on Prejudice and poised to defend themselves give the trauma we had gone through as Igbos but everything is not about attacks and defending, this a real concern to me and I did not do it to discredit anyone,

If you would be real, at least 1 in every 1000 Igbo has Aquaphobia and I don't mean water in tablespoon or cup, I mean large body of water, one in every 1000 when looked at as a sample is quite massive for a people of over 45 million

No matter how you twist your presentation, you will still fail because you started the thread on a wrong premise. The title of your thread is wrong and the content itself doesn't support anything unique enough to deserve a debate.
We can have a sample of 10 different tribes with similar geography as Igbos and compare the results of their ability to swim. I can say with all confidence that most of the respondents from areas with little water bodies will be the same. Those born around water bodies will mostly know how to swim. There environment warrants that they learn how to swim from childhood for survival. Others from drier lands don't see the need for learning how to swim. In the Igbo heartland, there are plenty of rivers and streams where many people both children and adults do swim. How do you expect those people to come online and find a useless person typing boldly that Ndigbo suffer from mass aquaphobia? Can you see how you sound?
My point is that ascribing aquaphobia to a people should be news worthy if their are exceptional things those people have in regards to water. For instance, falling sick at the sight of big water bodies or having no fishing profession among them despite being surrounded by water bodies. Things like this can qualify you to open such a thread and seek questions. You can't just hinge your few samples of non-swimmers stating their fears as a yardstick for describing a large nation.
Apologize to Ndigbo and take down this thoughtless thread unless like I suspect, there's another motive for it.

DitariDisciple2:
Ndoki are Ijaw people and it is Oyigbo not Obigbo.

There's no debate on who they are. It is a settled matter hundreds of years ago.

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AlexBells:
Thanks for approaching from the angle of constructive argument but you are missing a point, I said "Mass" not majority this is the misunderstanding here, Igbos are around 45 million people, and if 1000 people have Aquaphobia, that's Mass, while it does not represent 0.05 of the population, we need to understand English and put ego aside.

There is mass Aquaphobia is different from there is majority Aquaphobia, a sickness that kills 1000 people would be regarded as a mass killing sickness but it is insignificant to the population of 45 million.

My specimen here we should assume are randomly selected people from different part of AlaIgbo and if 1 out of Every 100 Igbo have Aquaphobia that's massive,

Again unless you are being mischievous, you should know that by Aquaphobia, I don't mean the water in the cup or within safe deep, I mean deep and large water bodies of at least a river and most likely the ocean.

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All your responses are trash. This thread deserves to be closed.

AlexBells:
It is only a fool that ascribes an observation as a fact,

Let anyone following my exchange with you draw the conclusion on who perfectly deserves being called a fool. Next time think very well before starting a thread about Ndigbo.
There's a big difference between these two questions.
1. Is there a mass aquaphobia among Igbos?
2. What could be the reason for the Igbo mass aquaphobia?

Anonymous15:
motherfucker I don't care about you or your Ethnic nationality, or your monicker or you at all, and even your reply or wether you know we exist.
ofcourse ndigbo knows we exist because we were your slave Masters. your ancestors revered us, and when we bought y'all as slaves, you took names from tribes of the Ijaw Ethnic nation, with reference to your brother mbanaso okwarazurumba taken from Amaigbo, present day IMO state and who accepted the name Jubo jubogha (Jaja of Opobo) and adopted various tribal tongue under the Ijaw nation.
you were sold by us for Dane guns, rum, etibo, and canons for our war canoes. below is a written copy of an excerpt from one of the perekule Kings on facts about Bonny to be sent to the British archives

TERMINOLOGY FROM KING PEPPLE.
Bonny is called OKOLOMA by themselves
Bonny is called okoloBA by the ibos
osiminikun by the Aboh tribe of ibo
new Calabar is called Bom by the ibos

king pepple said that Bonny is CHIEFLY PEOPLED by IBO SLAVES though they speak the OKOLOMA or Bonny language which is also the language of new Calabar.

I remain Rev and Dear sir
your obedient humble servant
Samuel crowther


that above is the report.
you never spoke Igbo when you were bought except now when Everyman is free and ofcourse there are igbos in Bonny BECAUSE Y'ALL LIKE TO ENTER EVERYWHERE UNINVITED but that doesn't mean you own the place mother fucker.
OKOLOMA is a clan under ijaw and the British didn't meet any Igbo speaking Igbo, but the OKOLOMA dialect like that report says.

you can search for it if you want, believe it or not but I don't care at all nigga.
and I won't engage you further. the most I'll do is rename you with an ijaw name like we did your ancestors.

There's still a community called Okoloma in Obigbo LGA of Rivers State. We all know the people of Obigbo are the same Ndoki stock that are associated with Bonny. Igbo is a language spoken in Bonny for over 200years by both some of the natives and slaves brought from elsewhere in the hinterland. You can't change history.

AlfaSeltzer:
Fall kee you there!

We are Igbos. We know what we are. We love what we are. We wont change for you.

Short and simple.

AlexBells:
Why do you expect me to bring publications on personal observations which I clearly stated, no wonder you are so backward and lazy becuase you are incapable of making your own studies but rely on attacking others ignorantly, you expect me to present data, worked by who,

I expect you to try supporting the studies, please you are too foolish to defend Ndigbo whatsoever and you did not trademark the word "Ndigbo" so stop your apparent display of stupidity, you represent yourself and please it would do you good to either create your own thread or make your own observations, you don't need to display you foolishness on my thread.

If you are incapable of making logical contributions then stay out of my mentions, I don't have time to message foolish egoism, look who is defending Igbo, have you succeeded in defending your compound, fools always look at the mirror and see perfection.

Silence would make a fool pass as a wise man, keep your mouth shut, the fact the studies don't apply to you does not mean it does not apply to anyone, proud fools are such a dangerous thing.

I have passed my message across to you in the best way you will understand it. Now you know better to not write unsubstantiated mumbo-jumbos as facts when writing about Ndigbo.
You are being watched dan iska.

AlexBells:
Oga Abeg, I honestly don't have your time, if you are not smart enough to make your point without being insulting please do stay out of my mention, I apparently don't care whatsoever you think of yourself, I have no time for ignorant people filled with egoism, simply this is an observation which presented a question and you started with insult without presenting a fact to counter it, please even fools grow old, I don't know you and I don't think I care whatsoever,

An ignorant dunce like you must desist from creating useless threads and attaching it to Ndigbo. I challenged you to bring out facts from reputable publications or journals to back up your claims but you're yet to do so. You don't put the cart before the horse. It is the other way round.
If this thread was midwifed by a sincere ignorance, it still doesn't take away the insult it suggests towards Ndigbo. I believe it isn't the case here. The format of your questions clearly shows you've concluded on that fallacy already irrespective of it having no solid basis whatsoever. Until you can back up your claims with a reputable publication, stop the useless threads.

Igboid:
But there are many riverine Igbo groups.
We call them the Oru/Olu.
The Ogbaru that live by the River Niger, the Oguta by Oguta lake, the Enuani and live along river Niger too.
The Ndokis live by the banks of Imo blue river.
The Omambala who live by Anambra river

All these Igbo clans had all developed riverine culture and are not scared of the River.

Part of the reason Ndiigbo avoided riverine terrain down south is that those Waters were mosquito infested those days and hence living there came with high infant mortality.
Igbos valued farm work, especially Yam cultivation, a man's wealth was measured by his yam barn. You need children growing into adulthood to provide you with labor to farm, living in riverine areas would mean you don't get much of your children growing into adulthood.

Look at the riverine areas of Igboland, they are the most most sparsely populated areas of Igboland.
In Anambra look at the Omambala areas in Anambra East, Anambra West and Ayamelum LGAs. They are very sparsely populated.
Same with Ogbaru areas, except the areas around Okpoko that has become part of Onitsha metro.
In Anioma, look at Ukwuani people who live in swampy lands, they are the least populated.

Look at Bayelsa population.
Very sparse.

Igbo ancestors avoided riverine areas because of the diseases and high infant mortality they brought.

Don't mind the foolish op who thinks he can just wake up and credit Ndigbo with aquaphobia. I can't imagine a human being thinking of such for a people that are not even desert dwelling. It has never been written for any group of people to suffer aquaphobia anywhere on earth because it simply doesn't make sense.
I knew he had an evil agenda immediately I saw the content of his thread.
Apart from the mosquitoes infestation problem, another probable reason is due to the geography of the coastal area directly below Igboland. It's filled with marshes and poor in agricultural production. That place was only appealing to people who had no other better place to stay. You should study the diversity of that place, you'll see my reasons. It has a lot of different languages compared to Ibibio in the SE and Ijaws in the SW of Igboland. You can find Igboid, Ibibiod, edoid, Ijoid tribes including other smaller languages termed the central delta tribes. Of all the groups in the area of discussion, only Ndigbo stretch far into the hinterland. The only exception here are the Ogonis. This strongly suggest Ndigbo as not being bullies. We left others to occupy/share our shores with us.
Below is a pix you can study for better understanding.

AlexBells:
The worst you can do is sit behind your keyboard and dish out swear words like a new parrot, what are you saying, did I say it a fact or observation, please if you can't even be sincere, I don't see the need in engaging you

If that's what you think then continue. Don't say you weren't told.

AlexBells:
I think you learnt a few new swear words that's why it is feeling in your head that calling someone a fool absolves you from being one. I'm looking at percentage, and given that the Igbos have the highest inland waters than any other nation in Nigeria, I can categorically tell you that the Igbos are under using our maritime resources and talent owing to a mass phobia, note, mass does not mean generalisation, mass does not mean everyone

When you consciously make foolish statements, it behooves on me to call you out. Before making such particular accusations as facts, you should endeavour to back it up with verified studies to that effect. I'm even very lenient with you. You must mind how you engage in discussions about Ndigbo.

AlexBells:
You should limit your pride to yourself and once I observed something I state it, so you even acknowledge that some Igbo soldiers were drawn by Ijaw boat operators yet you are pretentious and ignorant enough not to see that thats a concern,

Are Igbos some desert dwellers or a nation of the Niger Delta and Atlantic?, abeg I have no pride to protect here and it is only fools that questions someone's identity just for stating an obvious reality which you even attested to, if the soldiers among us can't swim, I guess it is the market women that should, pride mixed with ignorance is the worst disease.

You're very foolish to have generalised such a common disability among ndigbo specifically. From your writing, one will think Ndigbo don't have water bodies around them. One would think we don't have plenty of swimmers of the many rivers that transverse Igboland. The great River Niger passed through Igboland with many Igbo communities on both sides. The Imo and Orashi rivers are there with many people swimming them. Our people at Aboh and Opobo have a history of having boat regattas which enabled them commandeer a lot of trade on both rivers. How then can you make such bad generalization?

Bkayyy:
Go back and read you post again.

As for this your new development, when did your two friends turn to the Igbo population?
It is only few, I mean very few that grew up in SE that will say that they don't know how to swim. what was the person doing with his childhood?

As for River Niger, my friend are you OK?
The biggest part of River Niger is in Ogbaru and they are known as water people. Nobody born in Ogbaru can say that he can't swim (fact).

This Ogbaru?

The OP is not Igbo. This thread is a very crafty means he wants to use in attacking Ndigbo.
No reasonable Igbo man will make such a foolish statement into a thread.
How on earth does a person generalize such stupid statement from online trolls? Does it mean Ndigbo don't have people living in the coastal areas and other waterbodies? This is to tell you his reason for this thread is cynical.
It is a fact that many Biafran soldiers drowned by the deliberate actions of ijaw boatmen. This has happened in many other wars in history. Most soldiers from lands without much water will drown in such situations. The population of Igbo heartland alone is by far more than that of both Bayelsa and Rivers state non-Igbo groups. So such happening shouldn't be used in defining Igbos in general.
The only point a sensible person will pick from this discussion is that any serious soldier must learn how to swim just in case he finds himself in a large body of water. A common element as water shouldn't waste a brave soldier who has surmounted so many other tougher odds.
No foolish person should be allowed to brand Ndigbo in general with his jaundiced perception.

Emiya:
Have you seen what is going on in Ethopia?

the Tigrayans , 8percent of the population is about to kill the democratically elected govt of a majority ethnic group and seize power violently , aidded by the United States of govt topplers

and you think we can be free of the Fulanis in our case??

Tigrayans know the importance of the war they're fighting that's why they're giving it their all. The other Ethiopians aren't fighting for survival so they can afford to lose the war and continue with leftover of the Ethiopian country. This is the main reason for the current success of Tigray.
Here in Nigeria, the fulanis though not under any threat have taken it upon themselves to enslave others. Other tribes are still suffering under the hangover of the previous Nigeria which had only Igbos as those to be fought against. The fulani killings is still like a bad dream to them which they would wake up from some day. I can assure you that by the time they realize that the Nigeria they had was only a mirage, they will fight back. Ndigbo and other Biafrans understand Nigeria much better and will continue to fight back. The alternative is outright slavery from a barbaric and very backward fulani tribe. It can never be acceptable. Eventually, fulanis will be taught a bitter lesson but before then, many innocent people will have to die first. That's the price for sociality that has been the average trait of a Nigerian.