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striktlymi: What is 'good'?

If you do not agree with my idea of good, you would have to provide yours. But since you have one, why not just use it to answer the question? We can try to decide what good is afterwards.

davien: You sir have earned my deepest respect.....for now.

Only for now? Haha

Thanks

striktlymi: The ten commandments, from which your question was derived is intended to guide the conduct of men not God. God is our creator and reserves the right to do whatever He wills with His creatures.

The law against killing is only restricted to murder. Not every killing done by soldiers is murder.

Would you say that God is good?

davien: okay....yes or no....The body as a referenced "temple" do you believe share a common ancestor with the apes....its just that simple...
IS THE REFERENCED "BODY OF CHRIST OF APE ANCESTRY

Of course it is. Yes.

davien: oh yeah is not an answer

Tell me the answer you want me to tell you.

i just want to know how you relate the body "being the temple of god" in your worldview and being related to apes...since the "temple" has ancestors....did they also have "souls"....and how is any if this perceptible in reality....

A simple analogy. The church or mosque, which is the house of God, is at the same time a building made of the same material as the brothel or the beer parlour. We do not glorify the cement used in building the church merely because it is now part of the house of God.

Referring to the body as the temple of God is simply a statement as to the purpose of body. It is not every body that will be a temple of God, just like not every building is a church.

davien: Let me ask you a difficult question....do you believe your body....which is the temple of "god" shared a common ancestor with the apes @finofya

Oh yeah.

The body is not so special that it can't be an animal.

You have run pass Terry G.

DoctorAshley: *Fact:all scientific research indicates that life cannot spring from nonliving matter.

All the scientific research? Really? The people who you said conducted experiments and manufactured some molecules found in living things, are they welders or scientists? The research has not been concluded please.

*question:what is the scientific basis for saying that the first cell sprang from nonliving chemicals?

Once you agree that life has an origin, it follows that it could not have come from living matter. Would you rather have them suggest that life came from living chemicals?

*fact:researchers have created in the laboratory the enviromental conditions that they believed existed early in earths historynin these experiments a few scientists have manufactured some of the molecules found in living things.
*question:if the chemicals in the experiment represents the early earth's atmosphere and the molecules produced represents the building blocks of life,whom or what does the scientist who performed the experiment represent?does he or she represent blind chance or an intelligent entity?

This is merely a matter of interpretation. I'll pick blind chance. Man has been recreating naturally occurring elements for a while now, anyway. Diamonds, water, etc. Nobody accuses him of playing God when he recreates any of these things. Why take exception when it comes to life?
On a side note, do you think that 'chance' is actually a real thing, or is everything already predetermined?

what takes greater faith-to believe that the millions of intricately coordinated parts of a cell arose by chance or to believe that the cell is a product of an intelligent mind?

Let me put it in a clearer way:

what takes greater faith to believe, that the millions of intricately coordinated parts of a cell arose by chance or that they were designed by a intricately coordinated and supremely complex creator who came from nothing?

You didn't even take into account the fact that the first life forms are said to be simple. They became complex through evolution.

similarly,if scientist ever did construct a cell, they would accomplish something truly amazing-but would they prove that the cell could be made by chance?if anything,they would prove the very opposite,would they not?
what is your opinion?

As long as there are things in this world that come about by chance, I think it'll prove that life came by chance.

For everyone, particularly those who don't like to hear that we came from apes.

What is a body without a soul in it?

We have seen the human body in death, and we know that nothing differentiates it from the body of any animal. They both rot. During life, we can differentiate the human body from the animal one by how intelligent/sentient the human is compared to the animal. We also differentiate by appearance.

Evolution is the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

If you are a christian or muslim, you probably resent the theory of evolution, on the ground that it says you are descended from earlier forms (apes precisely ) or in other words that it places you on the same level as animals.

Being a christian or muslim also means you believe that man has a soul, distinct from the body. Other beliefs that follow are that the body is merely a vessel for the soul, that it has no place in the afterlife, that it is the embodiment of carnality and it leads man to sin,etc. The body leads man to sin, it is the soul that resists any temptation. Having no divinity or place in the after life and being a sinful object, this body is practically an animal.

I think this means that it is inconsistent to object to evolution on the ground that it places you on the same level as an animal, since evolution only refers to your body, not your soul. You are your soul and not your body.

This kind of inconsistency strengthens my belief that people who say man is a special being are unconsciously aware that man is nothing more than a bag of meat.

The catholic church appears to know both this and also that nothing stops God from being responsible for evolution. They accept evolution.

Do you reject evolution because it offends you to be related to an ape?

Ukutsgp: u can join the marine spirits while i remain with Jesus for ever.

u dnt have to know my church. it is not relevant here.

u are an atheist. we dnt have anything in common.

Its your life, spend it with any imaginary friend you please.

I don't want to know your church, I want to know how much of an idea of christianity you think you have.

If we don't have anything in common it'll be because the bible is the only thing you're about.

Why did you create a thread calling atheists fake if you did not want to hear from any atheist? Smh

Ukutsgp: my guy stop discussing anything relating to Christianity. u don't have any idea about it. so just go and sit in one place.

What are you talking about? I wasn't discussing christianity with you. Look at the title of this thread, the OP and my posts again.

So you have an idea about christianity. Which of the denominations is your idea of; catholic, protestant(chosen, CE, SCOAN, winners, redeemed, COZA, deeper life, etc) anglican, methodist, baptist?

See, nobody requires you to "have an idea about christianity" before they start butting into your life with it. You can't make a u-turn now.

When are you going to join the marine spirits in the ocean?

Ukutsgp: what i want u people to do is to leave christians alone. leave pastor alone. allow those that believe in God to be. i dnt care what u people tink about God. we will continue to worship and serve him all d days of our live. so pls, Bleep off.

If you want to be left alone you can retreat to a remote place with your religion. I suggest the bottom of the ocean.

Ukutsgp: most of the atheist we have in Nigeria/Nairaland are fake atheist. they pretend as if they don't believe in God yet they always talk about him. they are like someone who say he don't like eating a particular type of soup yet at night, he will go and lick the bottom pot of that soup.

If nobody on earth accepted that there is God, you won't hear anybody talking about God. The issue of God would not arise at all. However, presently, the issue of God keeps arising thanks to you guys, and the position that God is a pipe dream is simply one of many positions to hold on the matter, just like any of the positions on the nature of the God that exists eg Christianity, Islam, Judaism, ATR, Buddhism, Pantheism, etc. Belief in God itself is not even so much the problem as is the fact that people want others to follow instructions their God is said to have issued.

I don't know how you managed to interprete saying God is not true to mean that one believes in God. That is very athletic, well done.

they dont contribute anything to societal development yet they will not leave pastors who are trying their best alone. they are like the pharisees in the bible. they like mocking men of God yet they are even worse.

Belief in God has its benefits but it comes with a downside which is that such a belief tends to kill the ability to reason through issues. Once the name of God is invoked, people tend to abandon reason in favour of unquestioning faith. Most people will agree that black is white if you tell them that God has decreed it. Belief in God is an obstacle to reason.

they always think they can use common sense to explain God. they dont know that it will turn them to foolishness. how can one say that there is no God because he/she cant see him.

So this has to be repeated. If you do not require evidence for God, why do you require evidence for any other thing? God should be able to show himself to us and leave everybody without doubt that he exists. Even cockroaches have been able to convince everybody of their existence. Why not God?

no wonder the bible say the fool say in his heart there is no God. it is only a fool that thinks that way.

There you go with your bible. Haven't you asked why the bible is not the only religious book there is? In the presence of so many religions, Yahweh must have deliberately misled (there is no accident with him) the rest of his creation into forming the other religions. This would make him a deceiver, and yet the bible says he is good. Try and reconcile that first.

but one thing i know is that majority of those who parade themselves as atheist in Nigeria/Nairaland are are those who backslide from church because they feel they cannot cope with God's moral standard.

Read your bible carefully; Yahweh is a power mad despot. If you followed his directives to the letter you would be no different from IS, or BH. His moral standard is absurd.

i have seen many atheist hiding to meet one pastor or the other for prayers yet they will say they don't believe in the existence of God.
they are all bunch of hypocrite.

I don't think you know what atheism means. Why do you think someone would pretend not to believe in God tho?

Why does the unbeliever need so many books? Confused soul.

peteregwu: Okay sorry I thought I was talking to a christian.
God bless u.

God bless you too.

Learner

peteregwu: It is not superstition, it is reality. This is what is going on the world. The world government is under the rule of the antichrist and also working towards the new world order which the bible says will be at end of the age. Do you read your bible at all?

Man you sound so crazy...its the superstition I guess.

Who is the world government? Who is the antichrist? What is the new world order?

Please convince me.

This is the kind of stupidity that superstition causes.

I never heard anybody ask why Christians talk about islam since they don't believe in Allah.

I never heard anybody ask why people who don't believe evolution is true bother to discuss evolution.

Feminism is a concept, just a funny idea some women have. Why do most christians foam in the mouth whenever they hear of it? Is anybody asking them to become feminists, or to endorse its ideals?

Saying atheists should refrain from discussing God simply because the don't believe in him/her/it/them just shows bad faith.

[size=4pt]PS. Feminism is not a funny idea some women have.[/size]

Your question does not follow, bro. It is the same as asking "what do you believe in since you don't believe in santa claus?".

I don't believe in God, end of story. You don't believe in santa, end of story.

Non belief in God is counter intuitive and it probably appalls you, but these are not reasons why you should believe in God. If you can overcome the shock, its easy to see how God is improbable.

We probably should start keeping young boys away from priests. I wonder why Hot priests won't just visit a brothel, or do adult female/male members of their congregation like other men of God.

KayWhyMe: I knew it. I know you'll say that. You even forgot to mention His miraculous birth- via a virgin! Which could have been easier if He appeared as man on earth. I still insist: Why should it be half 'miracle', half natural?

A virgin can be inseminated artificially.

The miracle half is all that is needed. If it happened once, it can happen again.

Why do you believe God must adhere to any pattern or rule?

KayWhyMe: When our Lord Jesus Christ was to exist on this physical world, i wonder why God(whom you said acts outside laws) refused to appear or let Him appear instantly and or fully grown up at jerusalem. Wouldn't it rather look absurd for Lord to incarnate through the process meant for "puny humans"?- the laws governing birth and incarnation of humans?

After 9 months in a womans womb, our Lord Jesus Christ Was given birth to on earth.

However the same Jesus was mutilated to death and also went to hell. So his body was terribly damaged, and his soul had completed the journey to the afterlife. Yet he came back to life and you count it as a miracle which is within the laws of nature. Chairman, God cannot be held hostage by any law.

KayWhyMe: The laws of God are perfect. Thus the miracles can never happen outside these laws, unless if those miracles are not perfect! Reflect on this friend....

Please, God is not subject to the same laws as us puny humans. He is not within any law, so he can certainly act from outside any law. God is all powerful. A miracle does not have to be perfect anyway, it just has to suffice. A perfect miracle would only purify you and take you to heaven at once.

KayWhyMe: There are conditions neccessory for a dead person to rise to life. The simple ones to notice, that does not allow this process is when the physical body is fatally affected by the cause of death, e.g, bombed body, scattered flesh, or seriously wounded, etc.

But the one likely to experience this miracle are fresh dead(recent dead one), and with little or no wound.

In shot, no miracle out of the laws in nature is real. As there is time in which a cord connecting the body and spirit together is still intact even when a person shows physically that he's dead.

In this situation, an earnest hearth felt prayer by anyone(even by the victim), could wake the man up.

Thanks man. I appreciate the effort but I think you are wrong.

Nobody whose body is undamaged dies. It is only a question of whether the damage is visible or not. I refuse to believe that something as trivial as apparent/latent damage is what will prevent my loved one from returning. Wasn't Lazarus decomposing before he was resurrected. Besides, miracles by their very definition are out of the laws of nature.

You may have a point about the connection between body and soul. Please how much time does it take to sever?

I remain hopeful.

Is there some kind of restriction on who can be brought back to life? For example, if a person has been dead for a year, can they be brought back to life? I wish to take my chances with a certain ex somebody.

Apparently the current dosage is too low.