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Oga, your God does not love the sinners he sends to hell. The opportunity to repent is afforded both in Islam and in Christianity. A person who dies in a sinful state is punished in both religions. Stop lying for your God.

What's going on here? Leave this issue jor. What do you need an objective morality for?

Shogosco, I hope you were able to like the OP.

Well, any prayer at all is an attempt to change God's plan. Praying for peace at the end time is justified as long as prayers can make God take a different course of action.

Loooool. Now he has gone from flying to not walking. At least he has a reduced ability to hurt himself. So there's a silver lining.

menix:
Broz I was out flanked by som mofoz wen I tried crossin river Niger in a biafran submarine, I had to com down nd wiv my assault knife a thousand fell.
4 there family? I think dey re still expecting their luvd 1's....

You are related to Chuck Norris, aren't you?

AlphaLycan:
he was armed with what looked like a locally made firearm. that I saw when he step in front of the vehicle initially.

I really hope he survives. The thought of having someone's blood on my hands alone got me thinking.

Just go easy on the thinking. Your hand was forced.

knightsTempler:
Funny how you don't hear about Muslims marching in the streets to protest this violence perpetrated in the name of Islam. ....but watch out if a distasteful cartoon is printed about their prophet. Then they wonder why the rest of the world sees them as violent and backwards.

Maybe they don't protest because it is pointless to protest at terrorists. You don't expect terrorists to take heed after seeing a protest. The gathering of people will only serve as a bomb-able scene. You can already see from the way they lynch suspected terrorists and from the activities of the civilian JTF that they do not approve.

What was he armed with? That would determine your culpability if you did kill him. He's probably not dead though, he must have had colleagues in the area who could attend to him. One man does not attempt a highway robbery. That is, if it was a robbery.

Death or injury is an occupational hazard for armed robbers, so don't feel too bad for him. You were simply the manifestation of the justice he deserves. It is almost inevitable that an armed robber will get it. So you or someone else had to be the one to deliver. It was you.

Sorry about the experience. Perhaps we can say a prayer for his health, for both his sake and yours. Hopefully he will learn his lesson.

Any heaven without a beer volcano and stripper factory is in fact hell. FSM or Hell.

Emmalot121:
What do you mean? Even by the words of a mere magician, a rat changes to a bird.

If he is already alive, it is impossible for him to speak life into existence. The life which you say he speaks into being already exists, in him, before he ever opened his mouth. Maybe he shared the life with something else, but he definitely did not create life.

Emmalot121:
Note this, there is difference btw created and self existent. God did not create life from nothing, rather, he spoke life into existence.

Dude, if God is alive, God could not have spoken life into existence.

Lol. Do your forefathers know anyone named Adam or Eve? Your ability to call on Jesus Christ to lighten your heart is a result of western knowledge in form of colonization. Christianity is not actually a Nigerian religion. We must therefore get rid of it, together with homosexuality.

But guy, "gayism" is a human thing. It is not culture specific. There are homosexuals everywhere, and maybe someday one of them will fall in love with you.

mumumugu:
Seriously. Is it a law of the nature that everything "living" must age & die?
During the evolution of living species, did some mutation suddenly occur that generated an internal clock that determines lifespan
does there have to be one? Why can't we continuously grow new cells replacing old ones & live forever
so why aren't we immortal. Also, are there any ways of extending lifespan significantly
Can't we find scientifically the causes that kill us gradually and kill that cause... to make it possible to live forever?

You will find this interesting: http://www.elijahwald.com/origin.html

The gist of it is that not every living thing dies. Singles celled organisms don't die, they simply divide in two and proceed. What if we, humans, are simply doing the same thing, through a different process?

So you can continually grow new cells, just not the way you prefer.

Of course, if it's your personal identity you wish to retain forever, well...You'd likely get bored and commit suicide anyway.

To die or not to die...frankly I'd rather have it like a vampire, sleep a hundred years and be awake another hundred. A very long life would be nice, but the option of death is also essential.

@Emmalot121

It is you guys who believe in God that think life came from nothing, or rather that there has always been life. Remember that "life" also includes the life of God.

According to the venerated St. Augustine, a thing cannot cause itself, since in order to do that it will have to already exist. God therefore could not have caused himself (or itself) or in other words he has no hand in his existence. By extension, he is not needed in the equation of life.

Also, science doesn't suggest that life came out of nothing. It supposes that life is a reconfiguration of already existing elements. Lastly, atheism is not the same as science.

@mumumugu (this your name sef)

There are things that both atheists and religious people do. You didn't specify whether every activity on this list is a result of being religious tho. To me, it sounds a bit like saying that because both atheists and religious people breathe, atheists are religious. Look at your points:

1. Is worship a result of religion? If I have the highest regard for capitalism, does that make me religious? Besides, saying everyone worships something means that it is impossible for atheists not to worship something, and that it is impossible to be irreligious.

2. Is having different views on an issue a result of religion? We have a number of ideas of the form a government should take. Would you refer to each school of thought as a religious denomination?

3. What are the ideological rules?

4. As far as it relates to knowing that God does not exist, you may be right.

5. Does wanting people to take the same side as you amount to religious activity?

6. Is it religion to find a book inspiring or life changing? This point seems like a generalization to me anyway.

7. What you're trying to say here is that it is impossible to be irreligious.

8. So have black people and homosexuals. We can't say they are religious just because of that.

9. You earlier admitted that some atheists are nihilists, and now you say every atheist appeals to a sense of right and wrong that is true for everyone. Apparently you just have to make your point stick. Notwithstanding, how does saying that man defines morality amount to a religious statement?

10. Perhaps we do. What are the alternatives? At least everybody should be willing to relegate those propositions that have been shown to be unworkable or false.

I've always been baffled by this criticism of atheism, that it is a religion. It reminds me of the kid who fails a test, but who is consoled by the fact that no one else has passed. It is more of a consolation than a criticism, really.

I prophesy that there is a good excuse for why we cannot find where the war is happening. I also prophesy that the holy spirit will reveal the excuse to one sukkot, the special chosen one, who will announce this excuse to us. Let me also prophesy that Arsenal is going down today. Thank you.

MzPreshie:
Okay... Good Afternoon N'Landers.
I've had this question nagging my mind for quite a while now. I'm a Christian, a catholic by birth and by choice. I've seen people, here on N'Land, who say they don't believe in the existence of God or religion. Like these people are neither Christians nor muslims. Personally, I've got nothing against nobody; atheist or muslim, and I haven't had the opportunity of meeting anybody who's a freethinker. So I'm directing this nagging question to them atheists on-here. As an atheist or a freethinker, where would you get married, like where would you wed your wife?

I'll only get married because of the legal implications. I think those wedding vows you do in church are uncalled for. So court wedding it is. We can have a mad reception after.

Weah96:
Of course there are outrageous demands, but they are few and far between.

Praying for the Ebola virus to disappear immediately or for every case of pediatric cancer to disappear are requests that are neither self-centered nor conceited.

Did you forget that Jesus was not only raising dead people left and right, but RAISED HIMSELF FROM THE DEAD?

At least raise one dead human being in his name, just ONE. Leave the quenching hell fire and becoming godlike ideas for a later date.

Do you have a dead body that you want to re-animate? Dead bodies have been raised (I don't mean elevated) before, you can use that as proof of concept.

The point I'm trying to make is that granting every prayer, even seemingly innocuous ones like raising ONE person from the dead, will lead to earth becoming Utopia. If God allows it, with enough time we will pray away every ill affecting mankind. What then are we to do with heaven, when we have everything we need here?

So some prayers have to be refused, no matter how innocent or altruistic.

Ranchhoddas:
balance of suffering you say?this is sarcasm isn't it?

What other balance do you propose?

Weah96:
John 14:12-14King James Version (KJV)

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

And what is this supposed to mean? I don't think you are well grounded scripturally.

Obviously it is not every prayer that can be granted. For example God cannot grant one a prayer to become Godlike, or a prayer to run into a huge amount of money. Similarly, a prayer to end world suffering can never be granted. That is like praying for hell fire to quench. What is God to do with such prayers?

There is a balance of suffering that must be maintained, so some prayers will be answered and others won't.

@ OP, the atheists truly made another mistake. Heaven is the place where there is no pain and suffering, not Earth. Earth MUST have pain and suffering or else it will not be different from heaven and then heaven will be unnecessary.

As a result, prayer is a selfish thing in this world. Somebody has to suffer; why should it be the next person and not you? Anyway, the main reason it seems like prayer goes unanswered is because there must be suffering on Earth. You are right, this world is not more than 'good'.

FOLYKAZE:
Hateists hate the word God. Though they claim to be atheist but are anti-theist.

I'm not sure of what you mean.

Atheists disbelieve in the existence of God.

The thread is about definition of God. . . . . . .and would help I and others to know what definition of God atheism covers.

Lol. No. What you want is to show that since atheists cannot disbelieve in every definition of God (including the gallery in a theatre), their position is weak. You're like that person who answers "daily" when asked "what's your sex?". I don tire for you. Which definition of God does your spiritual atheism cover anyway?

Is Nature not excellent?

Nature is excellent. Marvelous even.

Can human and animal not be supreme?

Relatively, yes.

You keep on bringing up this supernatural stuff. Supernatural means a phenomena which is natural but cannot be explain with known law of nature.

You forgot to add being. It's supernatural being, not just supernatural.

Human activities can be supernatural. Nature can be supernatural. Which mean divinity is of the gods and the gods are everything including the water you drinks. They are Gods. . . .

Now, do you disbelieve in the existence of God defined as water?

Where is the definition? If you literally mean God is water, then no. Water is a colourless, odourless, tasteless liquid made up of hydrogen and oxygen.

Let me put knife into the neck of your definition.

You define deity as:

A supernatural being; Eistein is a supernatural being.

God/goddess; going by the definition we have in the dictionary (influencial, admired and adored person), Einstein is a god.

Been wroship by people; I dont need to go far here. I believe you think worship is all about going to church and mosque. Nope. . . .worship is acknowledging worth of something or someone. Einstein is been worshipped even by you.

Force that control part of the world; Einstein took a massive control of science which changes lot of things in our world.

He is a deity.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of God (einstein)?
Einstein is a supernatural being how please?

Am I going to have to define every single word when we speak?

There is nothing like supernatural, everything in nature is super enough.

Okay.

You might not accept it. But this is what the dictionary have to say

supernatural:

1. (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

The bolded is what I described as unexplainable. If it is explainable, there should be understandable laws of nature which would employed.

Note, science is a body of knowledge. The laws of nature are defines by science too. When a mnifestation defies or goes beyond this body of knowledge, it is called supernatural.

Why do you think something is said to be beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature? Merely because science currently can't explain it? Look, supernatural refers to things that are permanently unexplainable by science, not being subject to the laws of nature at all.

johnydon22:
when humans get to heaven ARE WE STILL GOING TO HAVE FREE-WILL because if we still have freewill, humans will continue sinning.. are we still going to have freewill or not

This is another of those things that make you realize that life cannot be different from what it is now. If God takes away our freewill, we become robots. Nobody wants to be a robot. If God leaves our freewill intact, we'll fxck up his joint the way we have earth. Nobody wants that. If God changes our nature, he exposes himself as malevolent, or as lacking omnipotence, or as both, since nothing else could have stopped God from making us with the nature that he plans to change us into. Heaven is a story for kids but sadly some adults think its something that can work.

JackBizzle:
lol too much movies in their heads.

I cant believe that educated people can still believe so much spiritual nonsense

Me either. It probably comes with thinking that the education does not apply to spiritual nonsense.

JackBizzle:
https://www.quickmeme.com/img/9c/9c3e6f5a60fa66f2293c66e07b4aba7f27faacf8eae5a82b52c0da3dc4e19651.jpg

As in eh...It's such an action filled world for the superstitious.

FOLYKAZE:
The Hateist I am refering to are the militant atheists. I think there is saw the word 'hatetheist' on the internet sometimes ago, it best describe them.

Truly, some atheists get rather aggressive about their non belief. But since your grouse is with a particular group of atheists, why do you take issue with atheism as a whole?

Divinity and deity is same thing like excellent and god.

That depends on which of the definitions you are using. Divine is a synonym for excellent. It is also a synonym for supernatural, and for supreme.

God has been broken to many things here but you have failed to tell us which God you tend to disbelieve or believe in it existence.

as it stands now, if there is a deity said to exist anywhere, I have more to say in support of its non existence. Here's the definition of deity I'm using: a supernatural being, like a god or goddess, which is worshipped by people who believe that it controls or exerts force over some part of the world.

Again I will repeat, you are God (Orisha). Do you disbelieve in your existence?

What exactly is Orisha?

And pls, supernatural has nothing to do with God. Everything in Nature is super.

Everything in nature is superwhat? If you mean supernatural, then what is natural? This is a meaningless statement, really.

When there is no logical and emprical explanation for a phenomena, it is supernatural.

No. It is unexplained, not supernatural.

What do you even mean when you say you are atheist?

FOLYKAZE:
I think you are the only one getting dorection where I drive at.

Starting with, I think atheists are disturbed with the label 'God'. These set of people I call Hateist. They hate everything that has to do with God.

Theos simply is God. It is a general name for divinities and deities. This is different from theism which is believe in the existence of theos. The dictionary put it as belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.

And atheism is atheos meaning without God. Not without theism. I hope you get that. The problem now is, theos here is general deities, not christian or Islamic deities only but ALL. So if God is defined as influencial person, do you as an atheist disbelieve in him or his existence?

Pantheism is the believe that the universe and totality of everything there in is God. My dog is god and I am too. We are part of the totality.

When we discuss about Orisha, pls keep divinity to one side. You are an Orisha. . . . . .your friend is Orisha, your country is Orisha, the body of water down the street is Orisha. Been an atheist, I am expecting you to disbelieve in your existence.

Those who believe in Jesus knows how to separate him from the ones living in Italy. The believers will likely point to christ or bible for the Jesus they mean. They will openly admit they dont believe in the Italian Jesus or that one playing football as their lord and saviour.



Now Mr, which of the God do you disbelieve in and which one do you believe in?

The atheists on here don't sound hateful. Maybe forceful, which is necessary from time to time.

What I still don't get is how you can say theos refers to divinities and deities, and then turn around to ask if atheists also deny the existence of non divine beings/things that have been labelled God. You need to remind yourself of the meaning of 'divinity' and 'deity'.

Atheism does not relate to claims about influence or reverence. There has to be a supernatural element involved.

So everything is Orisha. Sounds like pantheism to me, though you say there is no divinity in Orisha. This Orisha, is it a distinct being on its own? Or do you mean everything is Orisha the way you mean when you say everything is matter?

People here have been telling you that they don't believe that Fela or any of the other things you mentioned, is God. What open admission are you talking about?

Which of the Gods I don't believe in? Lol. ATHEISM, dude. You haven't succeeded in redefining it yet.

FOLYKAZE:
Sorry for cutting down this. . . . .

Atheism is not a-theism. It is 'atheos' meaning without god. So atheism is not about theistic god but general god.

Going by your post, do you tell me you believe in pantheist god, spinoza god and Orisha?

Mr, god does not necessary mean a being with supernatural attributes. Fela is my God and he is not a superbeing. My country is sacred which I worship. My parents are Gods which I pray to. My friends are Gods which I make sacrifice to. To top it all, I am a God, being a conscious being.


Like plaetton rightly put it, atheism should be 'non-belief' or better put anti-theism.

Over and over, you guys have proven atheism should not exist. It does not make any sense because there will always be 'with god'.

It's like you have a problem with labels. Even the atheos you refer to is "a-theos". Theos is the root word of theism.
You don't seem to have a problem understanding which "theos" theism refers to. Somehow when it comes to atheism you ascribe another meaning to "theos".

Pantheism supposes that God (your so called 'theistic God') exists, and that God is not separate from the universe. Pantheists believe in the existence of this DIVINE BEING. I do not believe that such a God exists.

I'm not familiar with Orisha, but if it's divine and it's a being then it's a no for me.

The name God applies to a number of things, no doubt. However you are playing semantics here by asking atheists to disbelieve in the existence of anything named God. You might as well ask people who contest the existence of Jesus to concede defeat, because there is a man named Jesus in Spain right now.

You want atheism to be substituted with anti-theism? Will you then understand what the 'theism' in 'anti-theism' refers to, or will you still object that we cannot stand against the gallery in a theatre?

The issue with the name atheism is that it is being used to label persons who do not share a certain belief. There should be no label for such people, it is said, just as there is no label for people who do not play golf. The issue is not this one you are raising, which is pure semantics.

FOLYKAZE: We know
atheism is all about God and not theistic
conception of God only

I've been trying to lay a finger on what's wrong with your OP. I think this is where you are getting it wrong. Atheism is only about the theist God. I thought you would be able to tell from the name, "a-theism". To define atheism, you have to define theism, and to define theism, you have to define what you mean by God. Theism always involves a SUPERNATURAL BEING playing the role of God. Atheism gives no credit to claims about the existence of such a being. When you start talking about the gallery in a theatre, or admiration of a person with nothing else attached, you are no longer discussing theism, and definitely not atheism.

Now, enjoy your atheism in peace.

Reyginus:
You should have observed very well and thought logical enough before you comment. This is for Christains, my atheist! Is this logical?

Who are you calling an atheist?! Please.

The name of the christian God is Yahweh. The OP did not mention Yahweh. Show some respect for other religions, Sir.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster makes me feel whole. It is a transcendental wholeness that I feel in my entire being. With the noodle in me, and His noodly appendage pressing on me, I feel connected to all of humanity as it presses down on them too. He is our hub. I love the Monster from the depths of my soul.