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UyiIredia:
I can say that because with intelligence (and proper tools) modifications can be made to the coded systems of living things. Genetic engineering has been a reality for some decades now. All coded systems are indicative of the work of an intelligence. Besides natural laws can never make codes because codes transcend natural laws.

For instance, the fact that the word 'bucket' refers to a physical bucket isn't physical. The word bucket as written is physical and so is the actual bucket but not the EQUATING of both. You can't put the meaning of bucket on a scale or measure its length etc. It is immaterial.

UyiIredia:
And I replied by pointing out how programmers for example need to be intelligent to make codes. You must be seeing double if you think premise two assumes God existence_it doesn't. Premise 2 is based on repeated observation of men making coded systems like phones and computers. Even in computers the more bulky or complex the code (or softwares) the more it can do. Also intelligent people are smarter at working with codes eg crossword puzzles with keys. I shouldn't be defending premise 2 because it is a fact I expect an educated person should know. Premise 2 doesn't even mention God but isolates intelligence as necessary to making coded systems (is systems based on a code)

UyiIredia:
SMH at your opening statement. What I wrote doesnt agree with your take at all. I don't have to include the premise you are asking for. All I did was isolate a fact you haven't denied: it takes intelligence to build codes. I based that on what you've stated: humans making coded systems (eg computers and maps). And I inferred that life likewise must have had an intelligent maker. If your best rebuttal to my proof is to state that it's an assumption or that my defence of it agrees with yours, then you, like ooman, plaetton and Kay17 before you have proven unable to rebut it.

UyiIredia:
My proof isn't a failure. You fail in two respects:

1) You think premise 2 is an assumption. It isn't. From bonobos to boys, mathematicians to programmers, even to some extent (not involving abstract thinking) in bacteria, dealing with or making increasingly complex coded systems in the form of life and digital devices is a mark of intelligence. Man has being shown to the most intelligent lifeform also because he has been able make coded systems in the manner of digital devices and their softwares which are codes. We already know animals are less intelligent than us and they mostly don't make coded systems outside the ones they've been endowed with. For example, do bees draw plans for their combs ?

2) Making the inference that God’s intelligence must be like man's. This is needless. Exceptional kids and adults may understand the same topic but still have differing levels of intelligence given other factors. Whoever made living systems most be second to none first because we can't have an infinite regress of causes which your talk of God needing to observe something to make coded systems risks putting us in. Also I follow Occam's razor. Besides life being so complex that despite all we know about it we know there is still too much more unknown, it follows that its Creator must be, at least, extremely intelligent orders of magnitude beyond man.

davien:
Asalimpo at the end of the day you'll be the one creating a thread that Muslims are flooding you with dislikes..
And likes never indicates logical accuracy... you have likes afterall,lol.

UyiIredia:
I'll give a good proof of God no atheist on NL has satisfactorily rebutted. It is a proof of God from the design in life.

1) Living things are coded systems (ie they are built around codes in their DNA)
2) The major factor required in building coded systems is intelligence
3) Therefore we induce an intelligent Creator behind living things.

musKeeto:
Right behind you.



#noHomo.

okeke00:
I was brought up to to understand that Jesus Christ came and died for my sins.
I am a human and can't be perfect, I do fall in love with my opposite sex and there is 90% probability of engaging in sexual activities with her.
what I don't really understand is the doctrine of me still going to end up everlasting in a lake of fire even after Jesus died for my sins.
am just thinking of those soldiers who recently lost their lives in the fight against boko haram. they fought for our lives and safety and yet people still go to media to criticize them, calling them all sort of names.
can someone help me to explain how Jesus death has benefited africans and Nigerians?
i still get confused with religion

logica:
...or Waiting for Godot. Good one.

Nmeri17:
Lol. Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, "There is
no God." God knew that you buffaloes will exist even before y'all were born and kept this quote on standby

Peterken05:
How many people know you as an atheist (offline)? Family? Friends?

Do you hide as an atheist (offline)?

Do you avoid people knowing you as an atheist or avoid discussions that will lead to it?

Do you feel threatened, uncomfortable by people knowing you as an atheist?

I need your answers, thanks.

sonOfLucifer:
I can't make head or tail of this post.

plaetton:
Op.
Kindly shows us examples of nations that you see as having move forward or progressed spiritually and religiously, that way, we may study them and learn.

If you fail to show examples of such nations , with evidence of spiritual and religious supremacy, then your entire op is silly and useless.

ebukaOtika:
So why the mkportu?

ebukaOtika:
But abeg how many you don Assemble kwanu?

Okeikpu:
that's how old Formula1 cars looks..... Do some research boy..

oiu123:
the kingdom of heaven is at hand. one has to get himself right with God. JESUS is the only Way to Him and hope for eternal life. One must acknowledge that he/she is a sinner and that their sins have been paid for , acknowledge the fact that Jesus is the ONLY hope for salvation and to get right with God, believe on Him alone and obtain salvation. Read the entire Chapter of John Chapter 3 in the bible and everything will be clear.( King James version). If you have not been living right, it is not too late to get right with God.

youngice:
Semi-hater

Abbey2sam:
the budget is not tight ........With 4million naira , they can do better than than that


and it high time we stop encouraging coupling or assembling or whatever it is they call it.......

We need innovation
we need discovery
we need invention

Johnnoo:
Do you want to copy the prototype and turn it into millions
Dude you're too fast

Godditex:
A man went to a barbershop to have his hair cut
and his beard trimmed. As the barber began to
work, they began to have a good conversation. They talked about so many things and various subjects.

When they eventually touched on the subject of
God, the barber said: "I don't believe that God
exists." "Why do you say that?" asked the customer. "Well, you just have to go out in the street to realize that God doesn't exist.
Tell me, if God exists, would there be so many sick people? Would there be abandoned children? If God existed, there would be neither suffering nor pain. I can't imagine a loving God who would allow all of these things."

The customer thought for a moment, but didn't
respond because he didn't want to start an
argument. The barber finished his job and the customer left the shop. Just after he left the barbershop, he saw a man in the street with long, stringy, dirty hair and an untrimmed beard. He looked dirty and un-kept.

The customer turned back and entered the barber shop again and he said to the barber: "You know what? Barbers do not exist." "How can you say that?" asked the surprised barber. "I am here, and I am a barber. And I just worked on you!" "No!" the customer exclaimed. "Barbers don't exist because if they did, there would be no people with dirty long hair and untrimmed beards, like that man outside." "Ah, but barbers DO exist! What happens is, people do not come to me."

"Exactly!"- affirmed the customer. "That's the point! God, too, DOES exist! What happens, is, people don't go to Him and do not look for Him. That's why there's so much pain and
suffering in the world."

Hope You Gain Something From This!

peteregwu:
You lack understanding and the knowledge of God almighty.

mumumugu:
God did it so as to perform a miracle

Weah96:
Weed is illegal in most places. Like Nigeria, consumption of it continues unabated. Potheads in Nigeria aren't worried about the law.