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engrfcuksmtin: Keep quiet.....everything anti corruption, pro-development is anti Igbo?

The second name for Igbo is corrupt and anti-gross development

eluquenson: I am a Nigerian, and OBJ did not speak my mind.. CNPP is an irresponsible party.. Why didn't baba speak the mind of Nigerians to himself when he ruled as a military dictator and a democratic dictator? Let us call a spade a spade and stop fooling ourselves

Sincerely speaking, your mind is clouded with favourism and partiality.

Firstly CNPP is not a political party.

Secondly, the organisation isn't bias and clouded with bigotry like you. Read what they said about Obj:

""The CNPP chairman however, also blamed the former President Obasanjo for what he described as “the misrule and plunging of the nation.”

“Even though we appreciate Obasanjo for his bravery, we canoot also fail to point out that he shares in the blame for what this country is currently passing through.

“It was Obasanjo who pronounced President Jonathan as his son and thereafter imposed and fostered him on Nigerians, and what do we have today? This is certainly not we hoped for.

“The truth is Obasanjo should also be held responsible for all the pains inflicted on Nigerians, the misrule and underdevelopment of this country by the present administration, that is simply the truth.""

Read post clearly before you write trash as comment.

Nigeria is sitting on the keg of gunpowder. The US warned about 2015. What more can I say? Got to move to Zimbabwe straight. With my little savings, am good to go

If you are practising judaism and believe in the prophets. You can emulate David and his son Solomon. Jesus is equivalent to poverty. Those that follows Jesus are not expected to have house, allowed to ride on rented or borrowed car, they must spend the night with friends so that he gives you food......carry your cross so that we kill you.

Op....who do you choose...DAVID OR JESUS?

Refined and polished lies from Gerri. Thanks dear....I LOVE THE WAY YOU LIE

GEJ where is our money?

I remember Fela "Authority Stealing" :


[Chorus]
Authority stealing!
You be thief (I no be thief)
You be rogue (I no be rogue)
You dey steal (I no dey steal)
You be robber (I no be robber)
You be armed robber (No be armed robber)
I no be thief (You be thief)
I no be rogue (You be rogue)
I no dey steal (You dey steal)
I no be robber (You be robber)
I no be armed robber (You be armed robber)

[Chorus]
Argument, argument!
Argument, argument, argue
Them argue
Everbody dem argue
Them dem dem argue
Up and down them argue
Everbody dem argue
Them dem dem dem argue
Yes yes, them argue
Everbody dem argue
Argument about stealing

Somebody don take something
Wey belong to another person
Then you go hear:
You be thief (I no be thief)...
On top of the road, on the side
People dey waka
Office workers, labourer workers, workers' workers
Them go dey waka
Inside bus them go dey
Motorcycle them dey ride
Plenty, plenty crowd
Inside this crowd
Sometimes for one corner
Sometimes for one street
You go dey hear: ha ha!

[Chorus]
Thief, thief, thief!
Rogue, rogue, rogue!
Robber, robber!
Catch am, catch am! Thief, thief, thief!
Catch am, catch am! Rogue, rogue, rogue!
Catch am, catch am! Robber, robber!
Catch am
Pull am
Get am
Keep am
Ole...

[Chorus]
Catch am, catch am!
Looking go start
Watching go start
Chasing go start
Somebody go dey
Wey them go grab
Them go beat am well-well
Them go lynch am well-well
Police go come well-well
Them go carry am go court
Them go put am for jail
Them fit put am six months
(Them go put am for one year)
Them fit put am two years
(Them go put am for five years)
Them fit put am seven years
(Them go put am for ten years)
If not them go shoot am well
Them go shoot am for armed robbery
On top of the road, on the side
People dey waka
Office workers, labourer workers, workers' workers
Them go dey try
To try to make ends meet
Them go dey hustle
To try to make ends meet
Them go put hands for back
To try to make ends meet
Them go dey beg oga
To try to make ends meet
Them go be slaves for them town
To try to make ends meet
I say turn your face small
To the right wing
Oga patapata dey for there
Authority people dey for there
Instead of workers
We have officials
Instead of buses
Them dey ride motor-car
Instead of motorcycle
Na helicopter (private jets)
Instead of them waka
Na worker go waka for them
Authority people them go dey steal
Public contribute plenty money
Na authority people dey steal
Authority man no dey pickpocket
Na petty cash him go dey pick
Armed robber him need gun
Authority man him need pen
Authority man in charge of money
Him no need gun, him need pen
Pen got power gun no get
If gun steal eighty thousand naira
Pen go steal two billion naira

[Chorus]
Thief, thief thief!
Rogue, rogue, rogue!
Robber, robber!
You no go hear them shout
You no go hear them shout at all
You no go hear them say
You no go hear them say response at all
Na different way be them way
Na civilize style be them style
[Chorus]
Yes, yes, yes, yes!
"Oh yes, of course, contract, have some money back in hand, ha ha"
Hear the words them dey take deceive the people:
Misappropriation
Maladministration
Nepotism
Mitigation
Make I remember another one wey them dey use
Defraudment
Forgerylization
Embezzlement
Vilification
Mismanagement
Public inquiry
Authority stealing pass armed robbery
We Africans we must do something about this nonsense
We say we must do something about this nonsense
I repeat, we Africans we must do something about this nonsense
Because now authority stealing pass armed robbery
Authority man him go dey steal
Public contribute plenty money...


WHEN VAGABOND IS IN POWER, HE DRAGS THE WHOLE NATION INTO EXPENSIVE SHIITE. NOW HE STEALS AUTHORITATIVELY WITH PEN. MR PRESIDENT....WE DON TIRE FOR THIS YOUR SHIITE. DONT LET WHAT HAPPENED IN EGYPT HUNT YOU. Just return our money

Singing Asa - fire on the mountain

There is fire on the mountain
And nobody seems to be on the run
Oh there is fire on the mountain top
And no one is running
I wake up in the morning
Tell you what I see on my TV screen
I see the blood of an innocent child
And everybody's watching
Now I'm looking out my window
And what do I see
I see an army of a soldier man
Marching across the street
Hey Mr. soldier man
Tomorrow is the day you go to war
But you are fighting for another man's cause
And you don't even know him
What did he say to make you so blind
To your conscience and reason
Could it be love for your country
Or for the gun you use in killing
There is fire on the mountain
And nobody seems to be on the run
Oh there is fire on the mountain top
And no one is running
Hey Mr. Lover man
Can I get a chance to talk to you
Cause you are fooling with a dead man's corpse
And you don't know what you do
So you say you have a lover
And you love her like no other
So you buy her a diamond
That someone has died on
Don't you think there's something wrong with this?
Tell me who's responsible
For what we teach our children?
Is it the internet?
Or the stars on television?
Why o why o
So little Lucy turns sixteen
And like the movie she's been seeing
She has a lover in her daddy
She can't tell nobody
'Til she makes the evening news
There is fire on the mountain
And nobody seems to be on the run
Oh there is fire on the mountain top
And no one is running
One day the river will over flow
And there'll be nowhere for us to go
And we will run, run
Wishing we had put out the fire

The sit is getting hotter. The longer GEJ sit on it, the more it roast his arse. 2015 will tell if either Gej will run off when he burn to the bone or he become assless

Why do you have court of law? Plagiarizing equates to stealing.

If this is true...GEJ might not see 2015 if he force his way to be elected again.

The option here is either he resign or he got topped.

Dine with OBJ with the long spoon....this friendship and smile really is a sign that they got your back. Just expect the pick anything. Good luck Goodluck

In one word NONSENSE

I think it time citizen fight in self-defence because this zombies will soon spread there evil deed toward other region. Government should legalize gun usage for self-defense.

MAKURDI – The Conference of Nigerian Political Parties, CNPP, has asked President Goodluck Jonathan to resign “because Obasanjo has clearly spoken the minds of all Nigerian and it is clear that Nigerians have lost faith in this administration.”

The Benue state chairman of the CNPP, Mr. Baba Agan who Thursday reacted in Makurdi, the Benue state capital, to the 18 page letter that was written to President Goodluck Jonathan by former a President Obasanjo said “the letter was explicit enough and it has actually opened the eyes of all Nigerians to how this administration is underdeveloping our country.

“Obasanjo is absolutely correct about all the issues he raised and I urge the president to save his face and step aside because we have never had it this bad as a nation.

“I actually praise the courage of the former President who has clearly shown that he is an elder statesman who does not waste time to raise an alarm when his country is drifting unlike some jobbers who hang around the president for survival.”

The CNPP chairman however, also blamed the former President Obasanjo for what he described as “the misrule and plunging of the nation.”

“Even though we appreciate Obasanjo for his bravery, we canoot also fail to point out that he shares in the blame for what this country is currently passing through.

“It was Obasanjo who pronounced President Jonathan as his son and thereafter imposed and fostered him on Nigerians, and what do we have today? This is certainly not we hoped for.

“The truth is Obasanjo should also be held responsible for all the pains inflicted on Nigerians, the misrule and underdevelopment of this country by the present administration, that is simply the truth.

Source

I think the game which was kickstarted by Tambuwa, passed to Obasanjo and shoot by Sanusi is now unfolding. And the president team are wandering about on pitch. This is getting interesting gradually. GEJ.....sit tight on that chair within the time frame you have as you might end up sitting on the floor before your time elapse.

leggo: i feel sad for you.. you go about proving and disproving shite about yet you find your way around this by insulting your parents.. you are the retardeen here.. atheist?more like hipster wannabe .
keep creating something outta nothing

Logicboy's effect. Lol

Logicboy03: Thanks for showing how not intelligent you are


When did all atheists become your science teacher?


Is it me or are Nairaland christians becoming more retar*** every day?

Nairaland this days produce more weeds than good plants. -folykaze parable.

As per the bold....we should start science class thread so that people like me can start learning 20 elements. Lol

macof: In one of the stories told by Ife people

Aramfe: ancient Ife name for Sango, as Oyo called him Jakuta

Aramfe was the brother and companion of Obarese

Obarese is the Orisha of Rain

lightening is the companion of rain.

These are not myths but facts

Guy....I really love this. I got much to learn from you. Serious

Most Atheist here get their point about Orisa from movie and general tradition which is condensed. They claim to REASON....they would have seen this if truely they reason. But like the brainwashed beholder of Abrahamic faith, they only see Monsters walking around town. Lol

rationalmind: So, why has spirituality not exposed the cure for HIV/AIDS with deeper insights.

Let me tell you what I feel. Long ago when our forefathers knew nothing about some obviously natural phenomenon, they called it whatever they wanted and attached myths and folktales to them.


It is science that is now exposing us to the intricacies and working principles of mother nature.

Wrong. There are 'Alo' myth separate. And there are facts.

Science evolved out of Spirituality. If you understand the concept of spirituality, you would know that spirituality is greater than science. Spirituality is infinte while science is a finite boundary which give a clearer picture to the infinity.

Let me use numbering for my analogy.

1 2 3 4 5
when you count 1, 2 follows.
But if you look within.... There is 1.100012359...till eternity and 1.987519.....till eternity both between 1 and 2.

Figure 1 and 2 is the finite boundary which picture the infiniteness between them. This explain spirituality and science. You cant lie on this, most of the invention of today were built on old layout and nature. Am wrong?

HIV medicine on production from spirituality which you asked for shows how you are close and weak minded. Is spirituality a person or act of investigation and connectedness with environ? Yoruba people says....ogun ti o shise, ewe re ni ko pe meaning the medicine that doesnt work implies that the leaf added together is not complete. I believe HIV cure is in the bush....who is going to find it?

Maybe we should consult Osanyin...the deity who owns herb and plants lol. But I know the remedy is there. You go and search or encourage Onisegun so that you work together on it. If you want to sleep at home expecting Spirituality to bring medicine...am sorry, Oyo lowa

rationalmind: Ok, I think I get your point. The electrical charges is what you call sango

There are more to this o. I only give naturalistic side of it. My AA friend will proceed beyond this explanation because she is more versed and initiated. I remember she once told me Sango is the electric flow transmitting signals from the brain to other body system. She called brain heaven and stomach earth. Lol.

If Okanran meji appeared when you are divining, are you going to say the person should be careful of electric shock or thunder strike because that Odu speaks of Sango? Lol

So there are more to it. I only gave the naturalistic explanation. I wish I have visited Igbodu where all Orisa would manifest before my consciousness. I will know what is what by then.

See...been an Ifa priest is not a joke.

rationalmind: Well, you tried your best but there are still several questions left unanswered. Your answer is similar to that of christians whom without a single shred of evidence, claim God produced this or produced that.

And you they try with these long messages o. How do you manage to type them

lol. I can do anything...no matter how boring it is when am listening to fela song. I dont know why it always him.

Lets start with this question. How did my answer indicate anything like 'God produces' or you just feel to add that up here?

The premises of my argument or point should be where question you ask sprang from. I cant be answering on a subject and you move me to another one. Mehn that will be boring I swell.

To answer your question. I will advise you read the link I gave you. Yoruba Spirituality is a classic naturalistic pantheism. I explain Eledumare there as Cosmo singularity. I am God. You are a God. Everything in the universe is God. Nature is God. You cant go beyond nature. So firstly, I need to clarify what you mean by God before I can answer your question. If you mean sky daddy or imaginary beings, abeg I dont have answer. But if you mean Nature.....yes God produces thing. Everything we do are allowed because we are self-conscious nature and are in the matrix of natural laws. If you do something here, it because nature allow it. So in this case, God produces is correct and make sense to me. And am sorry, I cant help on skydaddy or monsters living in the wind if that is what you refer to as God.

macof: Oyo language Lightening is called Mona or Mona Mona
could be literally transliterated as "Light bringer"

Which is one of Sango's praises

Sango is the force that brings lightening

Rationalmind. Let me add up to what Macof wrote there.

Excerpt of Oriki Sango:

Sango Oko Oya
Onibon Orun

Translation :

Sango the husband of Oya
The gun man of heaven (sky)

Sango is electrical charge. Oya is a cloud or wind.

Modern science today tells us that lightening is produced by static electricity in the clouds caused by the friction of the water vapor blowing past it's self. When the static charge is great enough to arc from cloud to cloud or from the clouds to the ground, lightening is produced. Simply put, negative and positive surges meet at the clouds which form lightning. Thunder on the other hand is just the super loud noise created when the lightening rapidly super heats the air around it causeing the air to expand creating a localized area of low pressure, when the force of the atmospheric pressure slams this low pressure area closed again the air crashes aginst it's self causing loud vibrations.

'Gunman in the sky' refers to thunder sound. It deafening just a gun.

Oya is cloud personified as marrying Sango. Do you find any relativeness and or does it make sense now to you? I will like to read your thought on this.

rationalmind: I need you to clarify something before I reply. Are you actually saying for example what we call lightening in English is what yorubas refer as sango.

I am really sorry for been late. Just getting some power on my battery here.

Like I said on this thread, Sango is the electrical charge which cause lightening and lightening is what brings about thunder storm. I explained everything as simple as I can through analysing of oriki sango.

Furthermore on the point I had up there, we people make a big mistake when we clamour on usage of a term instead of what the term really points at.

Let me use three cases so that you can understand me better.

1. Yoruba people are found of using metaphor and symbols when describing their points. And when they want to explain a phenomena, they mostly employ personified symbolism in the best form they understand it. Lets use a drum for example.

Expression : 'Gangan fo un, o wipe...' meaning 'Gangan voiced, *it said' (*o could mean it/he/she)

Freethinker : who is Gangan?

Me : Gangan is a drum

Freethinker : When did drum got mouth that it begins to talk? This is fallacy...drum cant talk.

Me : It is metaphoric. Talking truely as defined is to communicate with spoken words. And this include mouth. Also gangan as yoruba people agree talk...they understand it.

Freethinker : You are sounding like Obadiah777 with this symbolism crap. There is nothing like drum talking. This is fairies and junk.

Me : *silent and quit*

The analogy above explain how some people think when you present them with your point.

2. Let me use Ogun the deity of Iron for another example.

If you are a yoruba, you will agree with me as Yoruba people use to pray to Ogun before travelling by car. They will say Ogun should spare them and not bath with their blood. But when there is accident....they will say Ogun bath with the person blood. One thing you should understand here is that what they are refering to Ogun is the motor itself.

In the oriki of Ogun, it is said that Ogun works whole day clearing a path through the bush. His food is sap that comes out of plant. What you should understand here is that Ogun is cutlass.

During a fight...when they struck a sword or spear into opponent body, they will say Ogun drank the opponent blood. Ogun here is the sword or spear used.

In the creation story, we learnt that Ogun shaped living being after Obatala created them. And it is also said that Ogun was clothed with blood. In science, Iron is present in blood.

Now add up the four analogies I gave together. Motor, sword, cutlass and the iron in blood are all chemical element called Iron. So in real sense, if Ogun is mentioned in spiritual sense, it mean chemical element called Iron in science sense.

3. I can proceed from here and say Ishilove have received a warmth hug from Olokun. This does not mean half human- half fish creature is hugging her. Olokun represent body of water, beauty, womanhood, motherhood, arts, culture, poetry, love, marriage, femininity and fertility. There Ishilove is very good in writing poem, without seeing her, I sense she is beautiful....and everybody wanna marry her. I can list them.....lol.

Now, if any atheist (christians and muslims got a long way to go) come up without understanding a concept that the Orisa I listed are myth and fairies. I will just shook my head and blast them. I expect them to understand this deity concept from pantheism angle.

And I think God is not the best translate for Orisa. When you mention God, most people are driven toward a monster that walk behind the wind with a big belly who kill people around. Orisa are not skydaddy. In english...Orisa mean Selected Consciousness. So I still find it difficult to see Consciousness as monster.

It is said that the king are deputy of Orisa....yet, twins are Orisa. It is even believed that ones mother is Orisa. And most of, your own consciousness is your Orisa.
- Kings cant bow for twin because they are regarded to as Orisa.
- Ones mother is not a skymama.
- and am not transcending because am Orisa.

Yet, everything in universe including the universe itself is conscious. So if it within, Orisa are natural forces/energy. The tangible thing around us are energy. Therefore, it nothing wrong if they personified this force to explain to other in the simplest way.

Conclusively, like I explained using the Oriki of Sango and it patakis, Sango is the electrical charges that produces lightening. The same electrical charges is what spark thunder storm and what keeps our body alive.

And as per your quest....some people call Sango when lightening appear or Thunder strike. Thunder is Ara in Yoruba which Lightening is Mona-mona.

I think I answer you right?

rationalmind: I need you to clarify something before I reply. Are you actually saying for example what we call lightening in English is what yorubas refer as sango.

buddy my battery is weak. Read the content on this link. https://www.nairaland.com/1486568/plain-concept-eledumare-orisas-reality#19001043 I will add some things when I come back. Thanks

Ishilove: Jesus is the anglicization of the hebrew 'Yeshua'.

Ma'am....abeg dont use big english if you want me to come in o.

Yeshua in English is best translated as Joshua. Do your research ma

rapture_ready: After reading that, I think I should stop this discussion for the sake of my sanity...

Sorry @folykaze, you're a great guy and all but...

There are documents on internet you can read about Thor. If it contradicts my point, show it. Are we here to argue or learn? I think am here to learn to something. So prove me wrong that lucifer 'the morning star' is not planet venus. Or are you still holding unto the monster walking behind the wind with black robe holding a stick and kill people around? I even read once that there is a telescope in vatican called lucifer....does that mean the horned- devil is in vatican? You have been mis-informed.

Thor represent Jupiter. Jupiter is a roman God. Does that mean planet Jupiter is in the museum?

Thor (Norse Mythology)

* Jupiter or Jove, Summanus( Roman mythology)

And that is planet Jupiter today because our days of the week are named after planetary bodies.

Unfortunately, you only want to yield to what you were feed with. Cheers

rationalmind: Hehehehe, rapture ready is really doing a great job. All pagans have been doing is introducing the "you too" fallacy.

Your arguments have been very logical and sound.

Like i did say, pagans (at least the ones ive met on nairaland) just substituted some myths for other myths

The mistake we all made is that natural forces were personalified and will only want to hold unto what we heard instead of digging out it meaning.

I wont disagree that superstitions were robed with some facts. Like example.. ...sango the king emit fire from mouth and nose. I dont know if this is truth but it sound like exaggeration to me.

Orisa to the best I know are not human. They are natural forces. So as for me, I prefer to pick sense out of whatever are said about Orisa.

rapture_ready: Waeva

Bigger falsehood to cover lesser ones.

First it was that there is no mention of emmanuel in the bible...

Now this...

Like I said to your pal @macof

Keep calling black white if that makes you happy...

Knocked down.

Lies...this is what I wrote:

FOLYKAZE : Jesus was nowhere called Emmanuel. No one, not even his parents, call him Immanuel at any point in the bible. Lie

rapture_ready: Let me repeat myself...

This doesn't explain how Sango isn't Electrical charge that cause lightening. He doesn't explain why church is using lightening rod.

Science tells us that lightning is as a result of, I repeat, electrical arc discharge between a negatively charged atmosphere and a positively charged earth.

Not a result of some cranky yoruba fella hurling lightning bolts after drinking ogogoro...

What does Yoruba spirituality say about Sango?

Oh too much of nollywood is bad. You think sango is a man or monster right? Anyway there was a king in the 4th century called Sango. This is historical sango not the energetic Jakuta. You know nothing.

You ever hear of the god thor in greek mythology? What, Sango is his evil twin? The Greeks have smartened up and put thor in the museums and tourist centres where he belongs. The yoruba are smartening up too.

You really should too...

Thor represent planet Jupiter the same way lucifer represent planet venus. So planet jupiter is in museum right?

Sango is electrical charge....lets see you pack whole electrical charge into a museum. Lol

So Sango decided not to use his mighty lightning bolts to save his own shrines and alters, and now he is surprised nobody worships him? Yeah, that sounds totally believable.

A more logical explanation is - he's just a myth. Like thor.

David temple was turned to ruins. What exactly was yahweh looking at?

You think Sango is a person? You got a long way to go....

No he wasn't. Did you read what I asked you to?

Hitler is paying for that even till today...

Capital brainwashing..... Hitler is paying for that even till today in where?

Any evidence to point that he is paying for what he did?

Those stats you posted are nonsense. Sorry.

50% of Israeli-jew are atheist. Go and figure. 95% of them do not believe in Jesus. Truth hurts. Lol

But a mentally enslaved and oppressed puppet licks the wound of the Israelites....what they recognize as trash is what African man is hugging.

Lost soul

Nahum777: Folykaze is drunk.

i took wine which cheers God and man. If El is the Most High....i need liters of wine to be High too.

Logicboy03:

what is the prob buddy. Ask me question or correct me if am wrong.

rapture_ready: Matt. 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

How does the bible destroy two lies with one sentence in one verse?

Totally awesome!!!
#ilovethebible

The green part is wrong. Almah does not translate as virgin. How can I take error, inconsistence and fabrication as fact?

The red part said 'they shall call'. Show us where anybody or his parents called him Emmanuel in the bible. And show us where he claimed to be the Emmanuel.

Again... Emmanuel mean 'El with us'. Yahweh is not El. El is a canaanite God.

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