₦airaland Forum

Igboid:
It shows why many of you are scared of having a Yoruba independent country where you have to deal with only yourselves.

You have a history of not being able to peacefully resolve your differences when left to deal with just yourselves.

The Kiriji war was precolonial.
Post independence once the minorities left the Western region and Yorubas had no one else to unite against. You all tore each other and your region went up in flames, operation wetie and wild wild west were real events in Yoruba history, a hard reminder of your difficulties in dealing with each other.

You seem to do better when you have other groups you can transfer your negative energy on and unite around. Like Nigeria offers you with Igbos and other groups where you have to forget your internal problems and quickly unite around your shared Igbophobia. . In Oduduwa republic you will not have Igbos but yourselves.

Your elites and elders know of your old demons and would rather avoid dealing with them by keeping Nigeria united so that they can always have external enemies to unite you lots around and not have you on each others throat.

Igboid:
So its no longer the Majas, the Macaulays, etc that fought and championed for Nigeria unity and independence?

Igboid:
It shows why many of you are scared of having a Yoruba independent country where you have to deal with only yourselves.

You have a history of not being able to peacefully resolve your differences when left to deal with just yourselves.

The Kiriji war was precolonial.
Post independence once the minorities left the Western region and Yorubas had no one else to unite against. You all tore each other and your region went up in flames, operation wetie and wild wild west were real events in Yoruba history, a hard reminder of your difficulties in dealing with each other.

You seem to do better when you have other groups you can transfer your negative energy on and unite around. Like Nigeria offers you with Igbos and other groups where you have to forget your internal problems and quickly unite around your shared Igbophobia. . In Oduduwa republic you will not have Igbos but yourselves.

Your elites and elders know of your old demons and would rather avoid dealing with them by keeping Nigeria united so that they can always have external enemies to unite you lots around and not have you on each others throat.

Igboid:
Independence is all about believing in your ability to make it on your own. The belief that you have all it takes to make overcome your individual challenges.

Yoruba land , her leaders and commoners seem to lack this conviction. And this thread is all about exposing why it is so.

Igboid:
The History of Kiriji and how Yoruba leaders begged the British to colonize them to end the war is not a secret.

Igboid:
That Yoruba land was drained economically and psychologically after Kiriji became protracted without any end in sight and with no clear winner and had to invite the British to colonize Yoruba land just to end the war is an open secret.

Igboid:
You should be providing your sources to your fellow Yorubas who don't seem so convinced of your ability to make it independent of Nigeria.

You have a big persuasion job to do on them.
As an Igbo I know Yoruba nation is very viable. I'm just sick and tired of your crab in the barrel mentality and wish to see you all embrace Oduduwa republic idea, so that Ndiigbo can have enough opportunity to have a second crack at leaving Nigeria for good.

Igboid:
Peace treaty after the war became inconclusive and warring parties were out of resources both human and materials to continue?

Anyway I'm not the one you should be convincing about your ability to co exist without wars with each other. It's your elites who don't seem to believe so.

Igboid:
I doubt your elites believe in the above and honestly most of your commoners don't either, which is why you are holding tight to Nigeria.

Igboid:
What does that have to do with the post?

technicallyrich:
My brother it might seem you are joking,but God will bless you for speaking the truth.
I'm an ijaw man and I have said it and even told yorubas offline that ijaws will sieze atleast half of indo state and Lagos State because is our land.
Untill now there indigenous ijaws in Lagos and info state.
What can they even do,if we sieze it than to cry sh sh egbamiooo.
Because they can't challenge.ijaws are one of the bravest and strongest black tribe in the world.
They can fight for their skull minning republic but leave all ijaw land.

Igboid:
Another nonsense question.

Yorubas have the biggest industrial clusters in Nigeria. Along Lagos-Ibadan and Agbara in Ogun.

Almost all biscuits I ate as a kid growing up in South Eastern Nigeria had Lagos or Ibadan address as manufacturing address.
Yoruba has enough industrial base to build a successful country.
Enough of this scaremongering tactics.

Independent Oduduwa republic will have Ondo crude oil to power its industries and if not enough would negotiate with Ijaw republic or Igbo republic for a gas pipeline deal. Isn't Russia supplying many parts of Europe with gas?

Igboid:
The writer exposed things we have always known.

1. The Yoruba elites are scared of Oduduwa republic because they are scared that they might descend back into the dark ages of inter clan Kiriji wars should they have to deal with only each other again and not with Ndiigbo and rest of Nigeria.

2. Like many other pro one Nigeria groups out there, the Yoruba elites are clinging unto Nigeria so as to avoid having to solve their own internal problems when Nigeria dissolves.
Nigeria has become an excuse for many to hide and tolerate mediocrity at all levels.

3. The Yoruba elites are easy to resort to Igbophobia to unite their people around any cause. Awolowo and Akintola did same and the author is doing same. To make Yoruba commoners jettison any thought of Oduduwa republic, the writer conjured up the lie of the possibility of Igbos ganging up with the North to exact our own pound of flesh against Yorubas should they attempt to secede as a pay back to Yoruba role in 1967-70 events
This is typical scaremongering tactics built on Igbophobia as no such thing would happen.
Ndiigbo are so invested to seceding from Nigeria that holding other groups from secession is out of the question.

4. The author claims that Yorubas should stay in Nigeria because they wouldn't be able to resolve their difference in Oduduwa republic, which is a valid point if you look at Yoruba Kiriji war days. But what the writer tried to gloss over is the fact that it would be easier for Yoruba clans to find a common ground to live with each other peacefully than for them to do so with Ndiigbo, and this is for obvious reason which the writer already pointed out, albeit in tainted manner in his article.

5. The writer acknowledged the Yorubas played a big role in imposing Nigeria with the failure called Buhari and seem to believe the Ijaws would hold a grudge against the Yorubas for their role in demonizing and then sacking GEJ from Aso rock.
Now as an Igbo, I know the writer is only trying scaremongering tactics, but I find the submission interesting

Igboid:
5.. In the Oduduwa Republic, which traditional ruler will be supreme?

Will Alaafin accept the supremacy of Ooni or vice versa?

Or will the disputes continue?

Ethnicity and Hegemony among the Yorubas is another serious issue.
In the Republic how do we handle the ethnicity and hegemony of the Yorubas.

Perhaps you may not know, I tell you today that there is deep, serious ethnicism amongst Yorubas.

We all speak so loudly about Hausa-Fulani domination and oligarchy that we have forgotten that there is the Egba- Ijebu hegemony over Yoruba affairs.

We used to hammer the Kaduna Mafia, but we forget the Ikenne Mafia.

Consider this – during the 2014 National Conference, 6 slots were allocated to the Yoruba group, Afenifere.

They promptly shared the slots among themselves.

Not a single slot was given to anyone to represent the Yorubas in Kogi and Kwara.

But when they want to negotiate for power, they remember they have their brethren in Kogi and in Kwara and that Yoruba land extends to Jebba and Lokoja.

But when it comes to representation they forget them.

As the Americans say, “taxation without representation is tyranny “.

These are the same men, the same schemes, who are now promoting Oduduwa Republic.

Please think very well, my people in Kogi and Kwara states, so that you don’t change one slave master for another.

What about ethnicism among Yorubas?

It exists. Ijebu ethnicism, that sees everyone as strangers except themselves, even in the church!

Some Yorubas have told me, “Can we also call you Yoruba, those of you from Kwara?”
Not once or twice.

As a lecturer from Yoruba, I know the frustrations and struggles given to me by fellow Yorubas. I have never heard of a Fulani man doubting the legitimacy of another Fulani because he’s from a different place.

Neither does the Igbos or Hausa or Ijaws.

Only among the ones who call themselves the children of Oduduwa.

That is why I wait to see how that Republic will work even while these contradictions amongst the Yorubas remain as they are. I wait.

THE REALITY OF WAR

I now come to my last issue and conclusion.

Here I am talking of reality.

What does this agitation sum to in real life?

Getting an Oduduwa Republic means war.

If you don’t know, know it now. There cannot be an Oduduwa Republic unless there is secession of the Yoruba from Nigeria; and secession essentially means war, unless two conditions subsist, namely:

Where the other stakeholders in a nation state agree to go their way, as happened in defunct USSR, or
Where the secessionist group (in this case, the Yorubas) is the largest and the strongest within the existing union and can therefore bully the others.
The two scenarios above is not likely to happen,so the implications is war. I hope the promoters know this?

So I ask – are the Yorubas of today prepared for a second civil war with Nigeria?

Mind you, Yorubas will be fighting not just the Fulanis or Hausas, but the whole of Nigeria.

Why?

Because Lagos is too strategic to Nigeria, too important to it’s economy and its prosperity.

Whoever controls Lagos will not be allowed to leave Nigeria except at the cost of war .

Igboid:
Ibadan or Southwest Nig did not have that problem now or in the 1950’s when that structure was built.

But these are the list of firsts these Yorubas are touting that they want to recreate the Awo miracle.

This would be a fatal mistake, because none of their proposed leaders is an Awoist or even remotely in the mold of anything resembling the shadow of Awolowo or an Aluko for that matter.

And times have changed!

Again, I present the following for consideration.

I ask a very pointed question: Would the Yorubas live together, even if they succeed in separating?
A foolish question you would say.

But not so foolish or insolent.

The differences between the Yorubas are there and the cleavages are there.

Because we are currently still within Nigeria, often time we don’t see these differences, but they are there.

In the Oduduwa Republic those differences will come to the fore and become magnified.

How then do we address them?

The Aladura Scholar, Prof J.D.Y Peel, noted during his research in Yoruba land in the 1960s, that the differences between the Yoruba sub-tribes, the Ekitis, Ijebus, Egbas, Oyo’s etc are as wide as those between the tribes of Nigeria.

In other words, the Ekitis are as different from the Ijebus as the Hausas are to the Ibos. If you have not observed this, you are not very observant.

The white man was right.
Because we are together in Nigeria we don’t see this, but now in the Oduduwa Republic they will cone magnified.

How will the Yoruba Republic handle them, because they will not go away.

Will the Ijebus accept the rulership of the Egbas?

Will Oyos allow the Ijebus to lord it over them and continue with their exploitation given their bitter history?

Will the Ijeshas forget their ancient animosity to the Oyos and what they suffered in their hands or revive them?

Can the stubborn Ekitis allow the equally stubborn Ijeshas to Lord it over them?

Because a wound is covered does not mean it has been healed.

If the Oduduwa Republic becomes a reality you will all see the truth of what I am saying.

All the major wars that have been fought in Yorubaland have been fought amongst the Yorubas themselves.
Not against outsiders.

Osun, the Yoruba god does not destroy strangers, it destroys her own children.

Soon you will see what I am saying.

We often speak of the Old Western Region as if it was perfect. There were injustices based on ethnicity but which we should not reopen for peace sake.
All the projects done by the Action Group govt, how many of them were sited in the Ondo- Ekiti- Ijesha axis?

Yet the cocoa plantations and wealth that made the West came substantially from there.

How many cocoa plantations exist in Ijebu- Egbas axis, yet all the projects were situated or concentrated there.

How just is that?

Read Profem Ayandele’s breakdown and judge for yourselves.

So if there were these imbalances even in those days of yore, how are we so sure that Oduduwa Republic will not be a miniature Nigeria, with more problems but with less resilience to handle them?

The Itshekiris and Delta regions of Warri actually voted to leave the West and have their own region. If they were fairly treated, why did they chose to leave?

The old Ondo and Ekiti equally agitated to have their own state from the West because they saw that they were being exploited by the Ijebus and Egbas in the West.

Will all these agitations suddenly melt away once we have our Oduduwa Republic?

We have forgotten that exploitation is in the very nature of men, whether white or black.
There is exploitation amongst Yoruba’s too.

Someone is collecting 15% of the entire revenue of a state in the Southwest now.

We all know this and nothing is done about it, yet we are complaining about Nigeria being a failed state.

How are you sure Oduduwa Republic will not be a greater failure?

In which other part of Nigeria does this happen?

How many states in the southwest pay the minimum wage, even whilst most states in the North does?

Who is the exploiter of the people, their own people, now?

How many states in the North pay scandalous pensions to their former governors like is done in the southwest?

Which state started this racket?

These are the same people and their children and cronies that will rule the proposed Oduduwa Republic.

Sadly it will not be the leading minds and top brains in Yorubaland but the dregs and the gang of usurpers that have profited from years of unrestrained looting of the public till.

Have you asked yourself where is the industrial base that we will use for take off?

Virtually all the viable banks, industries and conglomerates in the Lagos- Ibadan-Abeokuta axis today are owned by other tribes in Nigeria, certainly not by the Yorubas. Have they thought of this?

Rome did not collapse in one day, it was gradual.

Yorubas are yet to see that they are in big mess, far bigger than they inherited or envisaged, not because of Nigeria, but because of themselves.

Danielnino00:
You made the assertion and you are saying I don't need to direct the question to you...
Who else should I direct it to?

"Bigger" is a relative term..
Again, what is European cup?
We have Euros and Champions league...Any one of them can be reffered to as European cup..

Define "bigger" and I'll answer your question...

For example if I say Nigeria is Nigeria is bigger than Algeria, you have to ask what criteria I'm using... Is it population? landmass? economy?

No dey cause confusion abeg...

Liposure:
The confed cup is a mini competition. Laliga is a major football league that attracts millions of fans around the world.

Danielnino00:
You are right...Common sense should be applied.. That's why I directed the question to you; Define bigger!

Bigger can be relative!
How is one competition bigger than another? in terms of viewership? Revenue? Popularity? What exactly??

And what exactly is Europe cup?

isan:
Shooting stars of ibadan has won all their 8 games both home and away in the NNL they are proving they are really a big club in nigeria

TheGoodJoe:

Brazil went with a second string of players. Guess they lacked common sense.

To you confederations cup is bigger than the World Cup.

TheGoodJoe:
From your calculations, the community shield is bigger than the Premier League.

Danielnino00:
Define "bigger" in the context of this argument

TheGoodJoe:
You have made me laugh. So the FIFA name is the power.

Mbok, Forgerrabout

TheGoodJoe:
I guess you think Confederations Cup is bigger than the English Premier League and Brazil went with their second string of players.

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TheGoodJoe:
Lol. Confederations cup bigger than La Liga.

TheGoodJoe:
That same 1999, Ronaldinho was playing U20 World Cup in Nigeria. Let alone top of the game.

I am glad you know.

TheGoodJoe:
The point is simple.

Longevity at the top. Even at PSG, Ronaldinho was not at the top. Let alone 1999.

He was brilliant when you talk of his individual talent but the point is reign at the top.

Iniesta's reign at the top was longer than Ronaldinho.

Finito.

All this Figo and Pele and Maradona

TheGoodJoe:
Ronaldinho won individual laurels. Winning serie A while Iniesta was winning champions league, world cup, Euros.

Come on. From serie a to where?

Iniesta is ahead when you compare their careers.

TheGoodJoe:
Maybe you don't know Ronaldinho is 3 years at the top of the game. The next two seasons at Barcelona was trophyless. Then left the club and headed to Oblivion.

Iniesta was was key to a dominant Spain and Barcelona. At the top for a longer period than Ronaldinho.

TheGoodJoe:
At the time Essien was at AC Milan, they were not at the top of European Football. After Mourinho left, he was not a regular at Real Madrid.

Mikel was consistent at the top scene with Chelsea when they had a trophy haul.

So what is the problem?

TheGoodJoe:
During Ronaldinho's peak time, he was by far one of the very best football has ever seen. Iniesta never got close to that level.

So peak time is not the point because Iniesta surpassed him.