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TheGoodJoe:
Do not worry. The stew is still cooking.

When it happens, People be deleting their previous posts like....

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Hahahaha! Na who bi dat? Ico.......

Icon4s:
Don't mind him. He is just like another version of Forgiveness.

To argue with those two? Na Dem dey go dig up comments you made since like 2015/2016.

So just watch any comments you make "RIGHT NOW" in 2019, because by 2021 or beyond somebody here can use it to hunt you.

Hehehehehehe! This caught me.

komekn:
It seems your knowledge of immigration law is very limited.

I will like you to think and pause and consider what you have written and the presumptuous supposedly informed deductions you have made.

Now do you know how many Nigerian SE players current and past have Foreign that is non Nigeria. passports ❓ You clearly do not know.

By my own estimation you will find near 70% plus have non Nigerian passports. Therefore according to you most of our SE players are not Nigerian.

And you are a lawyer.

TheGoodJoe:
Why was Osimhen not a good player then?

My comment I made then was about the flashes of brilliance I saw when he came on for Nigeria.

When Osimhen had a run of games at Charleroi, he delivered. Because a coach decided not to play Osimhen, did not mean he was not good. When he got a chance with the Olympics team, he delivered.

No one said Osimhen has not improved but he was a good player not given a run of games. Talk less of not making an English youth team which was a joke.

Osimhen is good but didn't deserve to be called to the national team as at the time he was called. That was the subject of discussion and it stills remained valid.

Lucque:
Bros wat he is saying is dat if u put tammy in the lille team vs a big team like chelsea he wont be able to get dat rating dat osimhen did...and that is d truth, unless u agree dat 1) ur chelsea team is on the same level with lille.. and 2)that tammy played beta tonyt even tho he was surrounded by way more matured and seasoned professionals.

Please, go and read his comment very well. Thanks

safarigirl:
It's not a rule, wherever did you read that.


If we must discuss Tammy, we can discuss him the same way we discuss Ronaldo and co, as international players. He is not a Super Eagles player, so, we are discussing him in the context of an international player.

Like I said, he is Nigerian in his father's house, on the pitch, he is English. The sooner some people stop forcing us to discuss Tammy as if he is a Super Eagles player, the better for us. His growth, stagnation or whatever will not affect the Nigerian team, will it?

I don't know where forgiveness brought up talk about eligibility and citizenship. My point was clear as day, but can easily be misconstrued by the usual persons.

Even the discussions about Ronaldo and Messi can be tiring in its self. The priority on this thread is Super Eagles players, everyone else is an after-thought, including Tammy.

forgiveness:
Who are you to consider someone a Nigerian or not? Even Bubu not fit consider if a Nigerian is a Nigerian or not, na you come get liver dey consider who be Naija.

If dem no play for Nigeria no mean say dem no bi Naija.

The bolded in my post suggested that I spoke about citizenship but you wanted to debunk it by bringing up citizenship by passport.

TheGoodJoe:
It is not today komekn started. How hilarious the post looks now.

He was too smart to have used the word "RIGHT NOW". Hence, he can't be nailed with this.

safarigirl:
K

We are not here to discuss his citizenship. This thread is for Super Eagles players, as you can probably read, not for Nigerian players. So, when we discuss anybody here, we are discussing those that are eligible to play for Nigeria (and want to play) or already play for Nigeria.

We are not discussing those that go to Nigerian Weddings in London and eat Jollof rice, then wish Nigeria Happy Independence and fly the flag whenever a Burna Boy jam comes on at a club in Essex. This is not the thread for those ones, else, we may also begin to talk about Skepta and John Boyega.


As far as this thread and the rest of the workd is concerned, Tammy is English. Be guided

As if you have never discussed outside the SE topic.

As you have rightly said in the bolded, we are discussing Tammy Abraham who is still eligible to play for Nigeria.

Besides, your claim that one is not a Nigerian until he/she hold a Nigerian passport have been debunked and still stands. Citizenship is not by passport. I made it clear in my post below before you quoted me with the aim/intention to debunk it.

forgiveness:
Who are you to consider someone a Nigerian or not? Even Bubu not fit consider if a Nigerian is a Nigerian or not, na you come get liver dey consider who be Naija.

If dem no play for Nigeria no mean say dem no bi Naija.

safarigirl:
I answered you with the first line. The international community does not care about your constitution.

He may be Nigerian in his father's house, but on the pitch, Tammy Abraham is English. EOD

You have not proven anything. Tammy Abraham remains a Nigerian according to the federal republic of Nigeria's Constitution. Differentiate btw eligibility and citizenship. EOD

Joebie:
How u take know say he no get Nigerian passport too?

I wonder ooooo.

safarigirl:
Nigeria's laws do not supercede international laws, as regards nationality.

Anybody without a Nigerian passport, will not be regarded as a Nigerian in the international community. You may even be born and bred in Nigeria, but you will be identified with the passport you possess on the international front. When Pius Adesanmi died in the fatal Ethiopian plane crash last year or so, he was listed as Canadian, because he had a Canadian passport. A certain actress, Hannah John-Kamen, has a Nigerian dad and Norwegian mum, but she is British.

At most, Tammy would be of Nigerian-origin, but as long as he has an English passport, he is English.

Can you quote any part of the constitution that states you must have international passport before being considered as a Nigerian? Thank you.

Humility017:
chAmpionship team were against championship teams....

Bristol City and Villa played their mates and he scored goals...which is normal....

I doubt he will play what oshimen play today if he was to be in that Lille team

Is Lillie lower than the lowly Championship teams?

If you put Osimhen in those team in the Championship, do you think he will score goals?

Humility017:
those guys don't even have a Nigerian passport...hope you're aware.

accept it...they're English kids...

Maybe you are just ignorant of Nigeria's laws. Go read small to enlighten yourself.

Humility017:
He is right....
Tammy won't play Jack if put in that low Lillie team against an opponent like Chelsea in UEFA

Where was Tammy scoring goals? Are you insinuating those Championship teams he played for are better than Lillie?

ChrisKels:
Osaze and co were not born in Nigeria, but we consider them Nigerians for same reason we do not consider Tammy a Nigerian , u dig?

Who are you to consider someone a Nigerian or not? Even Bubu not fit consider if a Nigerian is a Nigerian or not, na you come get liver dey consider who be Naija.

If dem no play for Nigeria no mean say dem no bi Naija.

ChrisKels:
Put Tammy in this Lille team, and he won't register a single shot on target, but place Osimhen in this Chelsea team where chances are created with aplomb, then u harvest goals like tomatoes

As if Tammy never scored for lowly teams. It takes more than having more chances to play and score for Chelsea. You must be aggressive and crazy like the likes of Drogba and Costa.

ChrisKels:
Guess komekn, forgiveness and Joebie's prayer points since morning.........?


Oh yes u guessed it right. They av bn praying "that Osimhen doesnt outshine Tammy today"

Who cares about who outshines who? It seems you are just being mischievous.

Donald95:
Brother, you are derailing the topic. You are talking of Aftermath wars. You are the person that brought in Ibadan into my thread. I am saying how Yoruba lost illorin to the Caliphate. I never said wars were involved but I said they cunningly infiltrated una Army and overthrew your leader and declared their loyalty to the Caliphate.

Today, there is a Fulani title called Emir in Yoruba land and all Yorubas living in Illorin bow to him.(Full stop)

You are definitely a combined novice and ignoramus.

Donald95:
For the fact we have Emir of Illorin loyal to Sultan respected by Yoruba Muslims, Illorin was defeated by fulani.

Fulani infiltrated the Army and over threw Afonja Just as they would have infiltrated Igbo land in the name of Ruga. Automatically, Illorin is gone to Fulani till date.

In your thought. Dude, you are such a bloody liar.

Show me where in that your post where Ilorin was invaded and overan by Fulani's army. Show me.

Like I earlier said, what happened in Ilorin was palace coup. Sefini

Donald95:
Brother, those Illorin, Ekitis and Ijeshas are all Yorubas and Yoruba sub groups fighting against each other . My thread is talking of how Muslim (Fulani ) invaded and took over Illorin, spreading it's tentacles across Yoruba land leading to one Yoruba community rising against another

Fulani never invaded Ilorin. You claimed the two captives were released due to fear of reinforcement by the Fulani's army but after showing you prove that they actually reinforced again but were drown in the river, you singing another kuruke song.

Now, let me prove to you that the Ilorin that fought and got drown in the river were actually Fulanis. Let me see what you are going to come up with again.



Ibadan soldiers chased the Ilorin survivors to Inisa, a town between Ofa and Ikirun. When news reached the people of Ofa that the Ilorins were retreating towards Inisa, they cut the bridge across the Otin River in the rear and left the retreating Fulanis of Ilorin devastated. The Fulanis were pushed into the river by the Ibadans and drowned en masse; thus the war was named Jalumi which literally means “drown in the river“. Hence the 1878 Battle of Ikirun was also called Battle of waterloo.

Next time don't come rushing on public without having holistic knowledge of whatsoever information you want to pass across.

Donald95:
Hahahaha. Please stop. You sounded as a literate the other time, but this last comment you made now is disappointing.

Did you read my first post at all? Didn't you see how Alaffin and Afonja power tussle led to loss of illorin? Please go back and read it

Where was it written in your post that Ilorin was overan by army? Show me

Donald95:
lol nice piece Sha. But the point is that Your leader Afonja connived with fulani to defeat Illorin.

And due to fear of reinforced attack by Fulani, Your people had to release their war chiefs.


illorin is gone and gone forever, before you become leader of illorin (Yoruba state), You must have to get permission from Sultan of Sokoto(Hausa)

They released them to had given them hope of reinforcement for another attack that led to......... drowning in water, abi?


On 1 November 1878 the three besieging forces advanced against Ikirun. The Balogun left the Osi Ilori and his followers with the Ikiruns to fight the Ilorins, Ekitis and Ilas, while he took his soldiers to fight the Ijeshas. The first group was defeated, their leader the Osi Ilori was taken alive, and the rest retreated to Ikirun. When the Balogun heard of the failure, he did not panic, but through clever maneuvers defeated and ruthlessly destroyed the Ijeshas. He then returned, defeated the Ilorins and drove them out of their camp, but not before they had killed the Osi. He then defeated the demoralized Ekitis and Ilas. The victory was complete.

The people of Ofa heard that the Ilorins were in retreat, and cut the bridge across the Otin River in their rear. The Ilorins were pushed into the flooded river by the victorious Ibadans, and thousands of men, women and horses drowned. Jalumi means "drown in the river". The battle is so named because of the drowning of the forces of Ilorin.

Donald95:
lol nice piece Sha. But the point is that Your leader Afonja connived with fulani to defeat Illorin.

And due to fear of reinforced attack by Fulani, Your people had to release their war chiefs.

illorin is gone and gone forever, before you become leader of illorin (Yoruba state), You must have to get permission from Sultan of Sokoto(Hausa)

Ilorin was never defeated or taken by force. All that happened was a place coup. That's all.

Maybe you are ignorant about Yoruba's war laws. You don't or must not kill a refugee of war. That was the constitution.

Ilorin was never a prominent city in Yoruba history. It was a war camp used to defend the Northern enemy, to make weapons and rare horses.

However, you don't need to worry yourself about another man's palaba.

selemempe:
it's Biafra...igboland map and Biafran map are not the same.

Biafra has a better chance of realisation than oduduwa... the reason is because Biafra once existed.... oduduwa Republic has never existed

So you could differentiate between Igboland map and Biafra map? But why can't you differentiate between Yorubaland map and Oduduwa Republic? Are you a hypocrite?

Realize the dream first.

Donald95:
You just posted this one to launder how weak your people are and make you people happy, We understand oh no p.

But our true history says that you people where raped in the battlefield until grown men started crying on their mummy's lap to be cuddled like baby

At least, none of your entire generation was brave enough to establish an Empire.


While the Oyo were reforming their new home, the Fulani bent on reducing the remaining part of the Yoruba country into tributary. The Fulani and the Jamas laid a close siege on Osogbo and a battle ensued between the invaders and the Osogbo army. A large contingent of army under Balogun Oderinlo was sent from Ibadan to raise the siege.

Although the Fulani forces with their overwhelming cavalry almost gained victory, the Ibadan forces realign their strategy by attacking the Ilorin camp in the night. A crushing defeat with great casualty was inflicted on the Ilorin army. The Ibadan forces captured many slaves among whom were four Ilorin war-chiefs, Jimba, the head of Emir slaves, one of the sons of Ali, the commander-in-chief of Ilorin, Lateju and Ajikobi. Of the four, the first two were released to return home while the remaining two were put to death, perhaps because they were treacherous Yoruba who allied with the Fulani.

Although victorious, the Oyo refused to consolidate their victory by liberating the ancient capital. Rather, they peacefully retreated into their new homes. Certain reasons could be adduced to this. In the first instance, the ancient Oyo was located in the savannah and was not secured from incessant invasion of the Fulani. Second, the Oyo army retreated perhaps because they dreaded the causality they could suffer in the hands of the Fulani cavalry if they pursued their victory too far. Another reason was probably the protection the Oyo new home which was located in the forest region afforded them. Nevertheless, the battle of Osogbo was decisive in the history of the Yoruba. For one, the Yoruba had established the fact that they could not be easily overrun by the Fulani again

Donald95:
My dear the completion of the story is




Omo their weakness is onto another level

"Among the Yoruba generals that responded to Alaafin’s invitation were Kurumi of Ijaye, the Aseyin of Iseyin, the Okere of Saki, Sabigana of Igana and Atiba of Ago Oja. This was supported by Eleduwe forces from Bariba. Alarmed by the serious preparation of the Oyo army, Shitta, the Emir of Ilorin sought the military aid from his overlord, the Sultan of Sokoto. A decisive battle was fought at Otefan. Initially, the Oyo and their Bariba ally had inflicted crushing defeat on the Ilorin army. The victory was pursued too far. The victorious Oyo army chased the Ilorin forces, but was soon repulsed by the Ilorin cavalry. Heavy loss was recorded on both sides."

Stop peddling half baked stories here.

selemempe:
the map wasn't Yorubaland map...but the map of your fantom oduduwa Republic

What is it then? Why are you drawing maps of your people in Delta and Benue state? Is that also a fantom Republic? Bhuhahahaha!

selemempe:
yes

The map is 95% right on point if Edos are excluded and Jebba is included.

Edo is a country on its own.

Besides, this is the true map of Yoruba's territory. The border line separates the French speaking Yorubas from the English speaking Yorubas. As you can see, Edo and its environs are not inclusive.

selemempe:
because we lost a war... obviously. However I have seen yoruboids from Edo say they are not yorubas. I have also see the map of oduduwa Republic and the Edo's made it clear they don't want a part of it

Can you please show me that map?

jihday:
that means at least you agree that going by stat he shouldn't be called a Nigerian legend

Somehow but....

jihday:
12 goals in 87 games? No world cup or afcon goal, using Liberia and other small teams go get the 12 goals even Ighalo did better with far less than 50 caps,but if you saw him play then you'll know his influence on games was much more than goals and assist

You only focused on his national team stats. Why not holistically.

charlesemeka85:
Post bale stats na haba!

Look up and see this too.