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Koboko99:
which league were they playing in when they invited them?

do you think if their forms was abysmal even if they've played outside Denmark they will make the list?

Do you think Denmark doesn't have players in the same position as these guys playing outside Denmark?

You said no sane person will take a player in the Danish league to the world cup.....I just gave you two names now you want to twist again.

They were already full member of the Danish National team. The same way Ahmed Musa is currently considered. Same senerio.

elyte89:
Wc debate...debate dt doesn't change d reality, so y shld I dabble into it

Debates or criticism are not made to change the reality, it's for making right decisions in the future.

elyte89:
Forgiveness... Rohr no carry awoniyi go nations cup,go carry ur police come

Follow the debate before you start advising one to call police.

chrisooblog:
so it's because you feel he called you a tribalist that's why you are pained ok your choice but remember what does the bible say you should pursue with all men?

Which feel? It's fact.

The hypocrite will hype up wrath and cry not when they get binded says the Bible.

I am only telling him who he is. Nothing like pain. He should see himself in the mirror first.

Koboko99:
viktor fisher and William kvist made the Danish world cup list playing for Copenhagen

Viktor spent the first half in the Bundesliga before moving to Denmark in the summer.

Both had played at the highest level(Eredivise, EPL and Bundesliga). Their case were not different from Ahmed Musa because they were already member of the national team.

chrisooblog:
but guy beyond play what is it between you and icon4s? all of us here have debated on issues sometimes we agree other times we don't but there is still for the most part mutual respect.

he argues his point, you argue yours it doesn't have to be personal.

even if for argument sake he doesn't rate Awoniyi how does that affect your life? abi is he the NFF president or Super Eagles coach who can influence player call ups?

i know you will argue you don't like bias and hypocrisy but how have you been able to prove that?

if his comments give you so much 'sifia' pains just jump pass. that's what i do sometimes when i see you or komekn posts

Because I don't have one iota of respect for tribalist who tags others with different opinion as tribalist.

The same fellow who defended Nwakalis invitation to the national team.

Was Nwakalis the best AMF in Europe as at the time they were called?

Dude, not all are daft.

Icon4s:
Bros, your Lunch is on me.

And to make it bad ''Awoniyi fronters'' are already attaching tribal coloration to it all.

The National Team is for all Nigerians. Any player that deserves an invite will be invited.

Icon4s:
For the records, I criticised Osimhen's early inclusion into the national team and even the U23 as way back as 2015 (Tbaba1234, TheGoodJoe, Safarigirl, TheSuperNerd, Bascovanveli, Joseph1034 are some of the oldest members of this thread and they have known my stands on choice of players from way back). But the boy has come of age and is delivering both at Club level and current U23, so I have to defend his inclusion against those who believe Awoniyi is supposed to be there and not him. Same way I didn't rate Onuachu after his U23 assessment in 2015 but I am ready to give him a chance now because of his current form.

I know some will think I have something against Awoniyi. Just like how some thought I had something against Osimhen, K. Nwakali, Iheanacho, Uzoho and Chidozie Awaziem. The thing is I will always raise a Red Flag if a player is hyped above his actual level and is not proven enough to earn a national team call-up. If tomorrow Awoniyi's delievery is enough to earn him a place in the national team and is invited and someone else is pushing for another player to have replaced him I will defend Awoniyi.

My own philosophy is we need the best for the national team. Even our best may not be enough not to talk of when we dont present the best.

The current list we have now comprises the best we have to offer for now. All players on that list merit their places. Even those on stand-by merit their places on the stand-by list.


Rohr is a coach that believes in calling up the best players available. We should please end this Awoniyi debate and focus more on players who have been called up.

Good Morning all

Very mischievous fellow. Who believes Awoniyi should be there and not Osimhen?

The point is, you never saw any talent in the Awoniyis and co.

Rohr believes in calling the best but Nwakali got called to the national team. Not surprised anyway.

This is a public forum.

comodo:
Yes u re in sifia pains. Everything is tribe & tongue to you. Blessing Eleke, Steve Odey, Nwakaeme were all good this term. Do you see people screaming that they were not invited?? Make we hear word abeg. Out of 25 players, the coach scored 99% and we no go hear word because of your one directional player Awoniyi.

They're playing in a lower league. Only people from other tribe uses the expression 'your'.

comodo:
That guy even with 2017/18 poor form was in d provisional list.. Even has gotten invites this season. Latest he pulled out cos of injury. #internet never forgets.
Stop twisting facts.

Of course, he made 35 man provisional list. Even Mathias Jensen who scored 12 goals made the list but what happened to those who scored 17 and 15 goals in the same Danish league?

Did any Danish mildfielder or winger scored up to that in that other leagues in the same season?

Don't forget, Lokosa made Nigeria 30 man provisional list.

wayodude:
Please remind me what team and league Christian Bassogog was playing for when he fired Cameroon to the AFCON title in 2017.

Did they have options in better leagues?

Please I need you to do this research yourself and tell us. Please

Please, help me with the bolded.

comodo:
This one u don lie be that. 2017/2018 season, this dude was a complete wack. Played 20 games in all completions scoring only 1 solitary goal. Bros fear God small. This season he has been immense. But its not a world cup year. Pls stop twisting facts just cos your one directional Awoniyi was not included.

Yes! He scored only one goal?

Keep lying through your tooth.

Only people from other tribe will use the expression 'your'.

andrew444:
If I talk say you dey disgrace your self people go talk say Andrew dey rude ,you can't just come here and lie in our face to win an arguement I keep on telling you that .

How is Robert skov the highest go scorer in the danish league ?

3 danish players scored more goals than Robert skov and they didn't make it and yet you want Robert skov to make the squad ?

Denmark have better player from others league so you don't expect them to pick players from Denmark okay ,the only forward picked from their league is victor fisher ,the so called victor fisher I mentioned was lucky because Nicolas bentdner was injured

Now as good as the Belgium league why didn't they pick strikers from their league and drop players from better league ? It should be only 3 players from their league that made their squad which is tielemans,dendoncker and a goal keeper

Even the top scorer of the Belgium league before the World Cup was a Tunisian player and he didn't make the Tunisia squad .

He is the highest goal scorer for this season yet never played in the European league? Why?

They were players who scored 17: and 15 goals in the same Danish league last season?

Why were none of those attackers/mildfielder considered good enough for the national team despite scoring more goals than others in different leagues? Why? That's the point.

The Danes doesn't rate

Victor Fisher was chosen because he played in the Bundesliga that season. See someone accusing others of using Google as if he doesn't use Google.

Use your brain. You can't compare Belgium with Denmark. Belgium picked players from big clubs in top 3 leagues but Denmark picked player with lesser goals from Polish league.

Is that how poorly they rate their league, the Danish league?

There is the possibility that players from the Belgium league will make National teams but that can't be said of the Danish league.

I mean, players in Belgium league will make the national team ahead of players in the Danish league any time any day. That's why Belgium league is among the top 10 leagues that contributed players to the world cup. Fact

Can that be said of the Danish league?

The Tunisian who scored the highest goal didn't make the squad because they had someone like Musa in the team.

jihday:
how is Skov the top scorer in 2017/2018? the top scorer scored 22 and he's not the one he's not even in the top 8

You are right but he is the top striker for 2017/18 season. Why has he not played for Denmark?

Besides, why was their top striker in the Danish league dropped?

Humility017:
same way we won't have better options...
that goal Paul scored against....Egypt...is the boy saving grace...

We do.

Humility017:
and does Nigeria...have a proven national team player in a better league to call up instead of Paul.

Yes, Nigeria has players in better leagues. Don't give assignment.

Humility017:
that's european national teams but often time it does not work that way...
the iceland team that did so much miracle in the last euro nations cup were basically unknow and fishermen, doctors etc
likewise the wales team that played so well..had Robson-kanu who was clubless at that time.

likewise the Greece team that did wonders in portugal 2004 were not know players, also the portuguese who had the winning goal in the last euro was an unknow player.

so the fact a player is playing in a more advanced league don't actually transcend to a better national team performance

They don't have other better options.

Humility017:
Lol..let me tell you... should any of the africa teams going for this year afcon have a player of Paul caliber
in the danish league... he will make their final list and he will likely strike for them in the tournament proper.

please go through the 23 nations afcon list if players in leagues lower than the danish leagues where not called up

please do that fast..i am waiting.

even ghana will hurriedly call up PAUL if he was their national same with cameroon and others

They will if they don't have one in a better league.

Humility017:
you are taking this awoniyi issue too far...he is not better than those called up.
Rohr list is very fair enough and i thank God he is a german and not a nigerian
so we can accuse him of being tribal

Your opinion. No problem.

Humility017:
He is below him bro... for three seasons consecutively paul has proven himself..in that low league you called it...
in the national team colors of recent, Paul scored the last super eagles goal..same can't be said of Awoniyi who still need time to settle
in the national team
unfortunately the danish league is higher than the Nigeria league..so we are not in the same par with those countries with leagues rated higher than the danish league and as such ignore their players in the teams.

And for the three seasons no decent club came for him. Even a Turkish club.

The point is, he will never be considered by any National team. That's the point.

For example, if Iceland or Denmark has a player who scored 10 goals in the Eredivise and a player who scored 27 goals in the Danish league, they will pick the one in the Eredivise again and again.

That's how poorly National team coaches rates the Danish league.

Humility017:
and If they rate their league....that way should we now rate our player who have been consistent in same league...in same manner...he proved himself with his first invitee...he scored and delivered a master class performance above average and Awoniyi who happens to play in Belgium fail to do same against lowly Libya under 23...

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No National team rates players in Danish league even if they scored 27 goals per season.

Humility017:
the fact that the danish national team did that...does it make it right.
is their actions a yardstick or the standard other countries with nationals in the league should ply...?
and the fact that the coach made such decision does it make it right?
his actions can pay off and also it can back fire.....
coach pick players base on what they tend to offer and how they rise to the occasion wen it demands them to do so.

these players have more and better opportunities than Africans as Europeans....

had it been Paul was a European I doubt of he won't have made it to the epl long ago...remember when Aston Villa wanted go for him after his stunning goal against united in the Europa few seasons back.

Not only the Danish team, all national teams with players in leagues rated highly than the Danish team did it.

The Danish league is not on the same level with the Belgium league. So, you were absolutely wrong when you said Awoniyi was below a player in the Danish league.

godspeed:
Bros, u can be sure there is no way a 25- man list will satisfy everybody and contain all the qualified players.

This has always been the case everywhere and every time and certainly did not start with Rohr nor is it peculiar to him only.

Every coach takes the liberty to take controversial decision from time to time leaving the fans whinning, I guess this also adds to the intrigue of the game.

Look at the 94 team we love so much ,Westhoff's list did not fully satisfy everybody. I mean I know of people back then who complained about the omission of Mike obiku and ugbade.

It's not only a Nigerian thing I know. Wasn't Dybala omitted from Argentina's team to the world cup?

Romario at France 98?
Cantona at France 98?
Jo for Kaka in 20014?

And then, even if awoniyi was included in the team, do u seriously expect that he will play?

Apart from u, I don't know any Nigerian fan that will seriously miss awoniyi at the AFCON, so what's the fuss?

Those players were dropped because they had issues either with the coach or player. Different senerio.

Humility017:
but a player from a danish league scored a stunner...against Egypt in a friendly match in asaba...
that's the Egyptian that have always beat us to pulp.

if you were in rohr shoes will you leave out such a player?
he proved himself in the first match...he starts...

mind you Awoniyi shot himself on the foot...had it been he played like oshimen against the Libyan...Rohr would have called him...also note that the Under 23 handler is also part of the super eagles coaching staffs..and as Such probably made some inputs too on the team selection.

He would never had been considered for invitation in the first place even by the Danish team. That's how the Danish rates their league.

Humility017:
I have said this and will say it again...
Ajayi was picked because of the Egyptian league factor....and the coincidence that same country will be hosting the AFCON...

Same reason why Brian Idowu made the world cup list..... the north Africans fans are very passionate and intimidating...playing them in front of their home fans can come with so much pressure...
you need players who are matured to absorb these heat and as well used to the terrain of Africa football and fans

You claimed all the strikers are ahead of Awoniyi but frankly speaking, Danish National team never rated a player with 27 goals in the Danish league. Rather preferred, strikers with 3 goals from other leagues.

Is that not an irony?

To prefer Ajayi of Egypt to Awoniyi of Belgium is simply based on sentiments.

andrew444:
William Jose was dropped because the coach prefer Gabriel Jesus and firmino

Belgium league is better than danish

Denmark have better players outside their league okay

I will not answer the rest of your questions because I am tired of repeating my self and I am tired of correcting you ,you can keep on twisting your arguement till next year .

Chikena! Rohr has his preferred players.

Who is twisting between us? You are.

There is nothing you have corrected so far.

Humility017:
to be honest all the Cfs invited are way ahead of him in the pecking order.
paul scored in the his first match for the super eagles against a renowned
opponent like the Egyptian.
Oshimen proved his worth against the libyans in asaba...had it been Awoniyi scored those goals
i.e the hat trick oshimen scored i doubt Rohr to have ignored his inclusion into the super eagles team
remember Okereke got an invitee for the next super eagles match against egypt from his display in that
match...that to tell you how rohr rated that Libya match...he watched the match himself.

and for nacho... rohr actually picked because of past exploits we all here know rohr does not really rate the belgian league
the time is just too short to try new players... and after all awoniyi is not that prolific compared to the invited players...

No country in this world will rate or pick a player in Danish or Egyptian league ahead of a player in the Belgium league.

Robert Skov who was the highest goalscorer in the Danish league with 27 goals was not considered good enough to make the Danish world cup team.

They rather picked strikers with around 3 to 6 goals from other leagues. That shows how lowly the Danish considered their league.


Can you explain?

chrisooblog:
that is his motus operandi once he gets cornered introduce an unrelated issue or name to muddle up the argument.

trick is always keep him stuck to the main point and leave him to confuse himself with unnecessary additions

Confusion!?

Icon4s:
The way forgiveness twists things. In 2016 Tbaba wrote out a list of top 5 Nigerian World Class Teenagers from the 2013 and 2015 U17 sets. He mentioned Iheanacho, Success, Yahaya, Osimhen and K. Nwakali and excluded Awoniyi. That is what he is trying to twist from '' were World Class Teenagers'' to ''are World Class Players''. Him no gree pessin rest again

Forgiveness honestly, you will make a terrible Lawyer.

Look up, you have a case to answer.

andrew444:
I am not saying he kayode is bad but this forgiveness ranting is 2 much

4 league goals in almost 2 season and he will not let us hear word

Are we discussing about Kayode of this season?

Where did you get that from?

jihday:
even Belgium don't use players from their own league

They do.

andrew444:
So anderlecht is better than Valencia of Spain also ? Lol

Sevilla also better than Liverpool ?

Arsenal also better than Liverpool

Smiles

Do you want to dispute it? Do you know better than UEFA?