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Farzat:
How old is this Forgiveness actually? I always regard his comments as one of those jobless youths that has made nairaland an uninteresting forum. People that has nothing positive to offer but only reasoning everthing through tribal perspective. Why has he refused to drop this particular topic of measuring n comparing yoruba players with their ibo counterparts? Is being better than ibo a yardstick of measuring success?
I noticed that whenever he starts throwing a name of player around in his topics, people starts loosing interest in that player and d same player starts losing form E.g Aluko, Aina, Kayode, Raheem Lawal, Ajagun etc.
I think its high time d real elders of this forum call him to order or ban him since he's not making any positive contribution but sowing d seed of division, running our players n coaches down, wishing our dear team failure just to prove a stupid point.
I have been following this thread for a very long time, I am far away from home but this thread keeps me updated with everything happening in Nigerian football.
It's my first time comment and I wish to appreciate u guys for ur insights, analysis n contributions to Nigerian football. Its d best of its kind n source to many foreigners and Nigerians in diaspora. Pls dont allow few individuals to kill our fun. Happy new year to you all.

For one to come out and make utterance without facts tell how low in reasoning such person could be.

I can also start accusing you for taking sides because you want to defend your own.

About being jobless. I don't think I am on asylum.

zicky:
this girl is just too blunt with her words.... some people need such bluntness

We shall be seeing more of bluntness from me but no one should cry.

eterisan:
Nacho has proven himself repeatedly in the gwg.. So he can't be dropped for Kayode who is presently on no form whatsoever to warrant such change... Gerrit....

Keep following wrapper but it is not making you wise else you wouldn't have made that statement.

safarigirl:
you think you have another life somewhere? Lol....because you are such a nice, accommodating, loving guy . You must have already seen your name in the book of life clown


Guy, I was done with you since. Now, I just dey laugh .

If you don't know there is life somewhere then your ignorance is × 100. That could be more miserable.

Besides, I am watching your gaga. Don't stop else I give you another stroke to make you ginger another gaga.

I am just beginning and I hope no one comes btw us until you are tamed by me.

realpoacher:
To me, Oga forgiveness is the cause of all this wahala. His has taken this issue of Kayode and iheanacho personal.

His constant labeling of "black" "white" and calling "white" "black" even I'm the face of obvious facts is nauseating.

Even in the face of evidences, and defeats in arguments.. ., he still remains adamant on his stance so much that he looks like a suspect.

Never have there been a time here that he will conceded defeat,... Never have there been a time he reasons with you. No, forgiveness will rather die with his views even though it's obvious that he is grasping at straws.

To me, he deserves whatever criticism, insults and assault he gets,.. He deserves whatever comes his way!

It's unfortunate that a full grown man will refuse to respect his age... Grey hairs are known for wisdom.

Forgiveness with his resolute, obnoxious, atrocious and ridiculous stands have not shown any wisdom at all

It's just too bad!

Which evidence do you have?

If I had reasoned along with many forumites here about foreign players not to called into the national team, will you see Iwobi, Ebuehi, Aina, Idowu, etc in the team?

Capital N O.

My friend I fight for a course without conferring with any flesh and blood when I believe in it.

So far, I can see them come to reality.

The records are there to see.

safarigirl:
and it doesn't make you any less a moaning loser.

You must be used to losing in this life

You can go on and on and on but your impunity ends with me. Soon you shall be Tamed.

About losing in this life. Even if I lose in this life, I have a better hope in other life.

What can be said of yours on both sides? Na you know.

Now, let address you emotional rants though I know COMMON SENSE no go dey am.

safarigirl:
I'm done folks....y'all can get back to the sanity that the thread once held.

Henceforth, I will ignore inconsequential people.

Have a lovely evening

Continue but that doesn't change the fact you are a babbler and a ignoramus. Continue to display your gaga.

safarigirl:
was Kelechi not peforming under Guardiola? Yes or no?

When last did I complain about Leicester or the coach?

And how many times have we said here that club football is different from National teams? You think Rohr has the time to keep testing players that are not bringing anything to the table?

On this same thread, we have asked for the exclusion of Echiejile because he brings nothing to the table, is it because he has not performed previously? No, but he is not performing now and that is enough for some of us to ask for his exclusion and who are we using to replace him? Aina and Idowu

Echiejile is from my state, but I will be pained if Rohr drops Aina for him. So, it is you who is an ignoramus if you think this is about who is Igbo or Yoruba


Your brother, Kayode is not performing as it stands and does not deserve another chance, people will not even give Nwakaeme another chance, is he also Yoruba? Bear in mind, Nwakaeme is performing for his club, unlike Kayode that we cannot see anywhere, but I don't see you waving Nwakaeme's flag here

I[b] at least thank God that you have now spoken what is on your mind, you think Nigerians believe Yoruba players are inferior to their Igbo counterparts,[/b] so, you continually put them against each other to prove the falsity in that.

Na small small people dey talk their mind for this place.

Stop saving face with all this jaguns and face the music.

Did you think I called you a babbler for nothing without having facts to prove it?

With all the substantial evidence against you, you think you can be exonerated from having a thought of being superior to that particular tribe?

I repeat if you think Kayode is my brother because he is YORUBA and you think you are superior to that particular tribe, you are an ignoramus.

I said this and I am saying itit again that your superiority mentality is concomitant to ignorance.

safarigirl:
....maybe if you would stick to the topic rather than going on a crusade to save the reputation of your 'people', this thread would have some sanity to it.

I don't know why it's paining you this much that it's Kanu that has the title of Nigeria's Greatest, maybe you would have slept better knowing it was Yekini or Odegbami or someone whose name you could better relate to?

I know a lot of people intentionally try to keep this out of the conversation so as not to cause trouble, but more often than not, your baseless arguments tend to tilt in favour of a certain tribe.

Stop being so predictable and kniw when to let things go

To save the reputation of 'your people' means what?

Who are 'your people' in this context?

Oh! You have given the answer below.

safarigirl:
it is hard, if not impossible, to read anything forgiveness posts without bringing in tribalism. It is only if we want to turn a blind eye to his apparent bias that you will expect anyone not to see a pattern of favouring his gbegiri boys

Which tribe is synonymous with eating gbegiri?

Your superiority mentality knows no bound.

So, the derogatory word against the gbegiri boys means what?

You must be clever by half with all those insubstantial jaguns you wrote up there.

Girl, use your brain before you start uttering words else ...

safarigirl:
it is you who should keep mute rather than littering this thread with idiotic comparisons.

Kayode was given a chance EOD. If you are now basing chances on whetger it was watched or not, na you dey change narrative.

Long and short is: did he play? Yes, did he make any impact? No. He has racked up at least 120 minutes with the Super Eagles and 0 goals.

Please, this is 2018, stop crying about things you cannot change. It is not Kelechi's fault that your brother cannot seal a place in SE

When I said you are just a babbler and needed to keep mute, you thought I was joking.

Now, why are groaning, gnashing and cursing Guardiola, Leicester city's Coaches, Fans and even the whole club for not given Iheanacho chance if you had answers for one you don't call your brother as seen from the bolded ?

Don't you think you have lost it if what is bolded up there is also applicable to Iheancho before you just open your mouth and start yanning anyhow without thinking?

At least, use your brain small.


However, if You assume Kayode is my brother because he is YORUBA and you think you are superior to that particular tribe. Girl, you must be an ignoramus.

Joebie:
Sorry to take you in two parts.
Kayode was given a chance. And I’m sure Rohr saw him well enough in camp. Respect the coach’s decision.

Why are you not telling this to those cursing Leicester city's coaches for not playing Iheanacho?

oh! i remember I am among Nigerians full of sentiments.

Joebie:
You are not being logical.
There are many what IFs.
It makes no sense to drop a player who is performing for your team just on the ground that he is not performing for his club.

If we go by club performance, we will not have a team. However a player have to earn his invite either by club performance or SE performance. Kayode is a striker. He needs to score first. Today I don’t support Tammy because he is not performing. KC is ahead of Tammy, because he is in the team and has shown he is relevant. You can as well make an excuse for every player with your What Ifs

How do one gets invited into the SE in the first place?

safarigirl:
I don't need to watch the match, the coach that put him there watched it and so did some sports journalists and the reviews were nothing stlellar.

Whether I watched or not is inconsequential, I rarely watch our games sef cuz I'm in school 90% of the time....but he was given a chance and has had others since then. Do not peddle false stories to suit your narrative

then why ask inconsequential questions?

I repeat Kayode was NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVEN A CHANCE. EOD

So,It is better you keep mute since you do not know nada.

safarigirl:
he was never given a chance? Did he not play as a forward against Senegal?

Did you watch the match?

Joebie:
You talk like that because you are sentimental. you don’t invite by comparison. You invite by reality on ground. If you are a coach and a player in your team is performing, will you drop him? Second question, if you were a coach, and a striker is still struggling to score his first goal for club, would u invite him? Consider the questions separately.

Joebie:
The point is KC is performing for SE. That will keep him in SE until he starts to underperform. You don't have a case for Kayode's inclusion.
He hasn't scored. He is a striker. I am team performance.

If KC is not doing well in his club but he still gets the chance to play for the SE and 'performs', how do you know Kayode will not perform better in GWG if given the chance though he has not scored 'this' season since club performance is not the yardstick for call into D SE?

Joebie:
The point is KC is performing for SE. That will keep him in SE until he starts to underperform. You don't have a case for Kayode's inclusion.
He hasn't scored. He is a striker. I am team performance.

You claimed in your first post that Kelechi is perfoming in the GWG hence he deserves to be called but I asked how do you know Kayode will not perform better if given the same CHANCE in the GWG?

Unfortunately, you began with an attack instead of given a more cogent and reasonable answer.


Now, let me ask you, with all the his performances that earned him goals and individual awards that he won last season how many chances was he given to play?

Someone even said Onyekuru performed better than Kayode with the few chances he got. Perhaps, we have forgotten so soon how Kayode snatched the ball and gave a through pass to free Iheanacho on one on one with the goalkeeper against Senegal that salvaged a draw after Iheanacho scored that penalty.

That was even his first match in GWG and he didn't spent up to 15 minutes to rescue a point as a SS.

Is that not performace?

Based on your first question, the reality on ground never favored Kayode because when he performed he was NEVER NEVER NEVER GIVEN A CHANCE and that has rendered the second question inconsequential. EOD

However, where did you read me make case for Kayode to be called? I hope u no dey drink maya dey take read my post oooo?

Humility017:
thanks oga joe...you hit the nail on the right spot...
watch as he will....try shift the goal post to save his point...I respect kayode and I like him alot...but the dude is nowhere near nancho whenever the super eagles is mentioned.

sometimes whenever I see his argument especially the long epistle of comparism of some midfielders the other day...all to make case for ajagun and raheem lawal, I imagine and think for awhile...could it be my brother has lost touch wit reality?

What is the reality? because I know you don't have one.

kennysville:
You see now? Guilt conscience dey worry u sef. Who mentioned Iheanacho in the discussion now? How Iheanacho take enter Kayode gist?

Now that you have done so, can you read your response and frankly tell me why you shouldnt be arraigned and prosecuted for double standards and bias? Na wah for you o! Your bias no be here. You are quick to tear down Iheanacho. Now your beloved Kayode is going through the same patch, you are here making excuses that he is not happy with team mates. Him team mates dey hold him leg? Cant he drop deep and collect ball to go and score? Abi no be the same recipe una dey give for Iheanacho?

Bottomline, let us learn to encourage our wards and not tear them down in the name of objective criticism.
And just in case you are wondering, I am not holding any brief for Kelechi. I am not a sellout to my tribe as well. That should spell the whole gist so we save ourselves any form of speculation. Naturally, I wouldnt have responded but because you quoted me with so much brevity and bias,

Let me sound it clear to you. Kayode and Iheanacho are not going through THE SAME PATCH.

Iheanacho is under-performing and not making day squad matches but Kayode is performing and making day squad matches if fit.

Iheanacho is thinking about British passport and doesn't mind to play with academy boys but Kayode despite having few playing time has requested to move to where he can play.

It will be foolish and sentimental of me to pretend Kayode is not performing in the role he was played. Yes, he was played mostly as SS or RW in most games he came on to play. So, far he has 3 or 4 assists to his credit and he has won MOTM and la liga team of week. That was even in the game he played for 90 minutes.


I have watched both played with my two koro koro eyes and I can tell who is under performing and performing. S0 far Iheanacho is under performing and if he does not improve, I sorry.

If you like tell me I am bias till tomorrow, it is not new to me.


I have said many things here but people called me names but I don't care and refused to be infected with low thinking syndrome caused by fear of victimization and false accusation. Gbam. Till tomorrow I say what I see. If you like call me mr bias or sentiment.

Tomorrow you go hear from Kayode why he wan leave Girona. Na there we go know who dey give excuses.


Now, claiming I am bringing down Kelechi even in the face of reality is the biggest sentiment on your part.


If I may ask, How many matches of Kayode and Iheanacho you don watch this season to conclude they are in the same path?

Which roles did Kayode play this seeason? I know you don't have an answer without googling.

terzurum5:
A valid question for our candid considerations Sir. I think this is another area we need to deliberate on seriously and make recommendations to the appropriate quarters.

What can we do to improve on poor spectators in our stands during matches?
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1. First of all, all clubs should be privatized or let the public have the major shares but their traditional names must be retained because clubs likes Rangers, 3SC, Enyimba, Kano Pillars might loose their indigenous fans.


Billionaires like Dangote, Otedola, Adenuga, Alaka, Kalu Orji, etc should be encouraged to buy these clubs. If Dangote buys Kanno Pillars, Adenuga buys 3SC, or Kalu Orji buys Enyimba and pump money into it like those Chinese billonaires are doing bros, things go change.


2. Infrastructures must be improved. Well maintained and beautified stadiums with lush green grass could serve as a factor to attract just normal or neutral city dwellers for sight seeing and die hard football fans.

3. Security must improve else nobody will invest in where his/her business is not secured and nobody goes to a place where his/her life is endangered. The security must be within and outside the stadium because it makes no sense if you know you will face the unknown after an evening match out the stadium. This was the main reason I refused to watch the finals of the 2000 AFCON live at stadium for the fear of the unknown.

There should also be ban placed on marijuana, bottles, cigarette etc from entering the stadium.



4. Officiating must improve in both the home and away matches. To achieve this, Referees must be well paid and protected. If these are guaranteed and there are also consequences for bad officiating then expect the best from them. I suggest 500 thousand per month for a referee.


5. CAF and NPL should set a very high standard for those willing to acquire a coaching license and it should be mandated that only those licensed should coach a club or country in Africa.

This is necessary because the quality of football played in our league is substandard. I remembered what I saw the last time I went to watch Enyimba twice last 3 years ago. Bros, the game was boring and annoying. They barely played the ball on the ground. Ball control zero, positioning and organisation zero, passing zero, tactics zero, etc. All I saw throughout t he match was kick and rush with no substance. It was not encouraging to go waste money to watch low quality football.hat does not


6. Players's welfare must improve. If you want the best playes ro play in your league, you must pay them well and regularly. Any club that does not pay as at when due should be thrown out of the league and the players should be free to move anyway without the receiving fadin.

Players contract should also be like that of European clubs. This one year contract does not make sense.


7. All clubs must have academy and team B that plays in th 2nd and 3rd tiers of our league. It should be modeled after the the la liga league.


8. Publicity. After improving the quality of our games then we should think of showing them live on Tv by local TVs where the club resides and later cable stations. Matches must not be played when big clubs in Europe plays. However, the quality of the matches on Tv must be of high. We can't continue to use two cameras to visualize matches, e no go work. At least, 10 cameras should be used else nobody will be attracted to see the quality of play when they see poor visuals. When they are attracted by good visuals and quality football then people will be captivated to come see live matches at the stadiums.


9. Transportation is another factor. If there is means of travelling as far as Kano to P/H within 2 hours by rail at a very affordable rate, it will save the players from stress and fatigue from 12 - 13 hours journeys. Even the fans can travell that far and come back to their cities the same day.Other factors must be put in place before this one go happen even if train dey.


10. To attract attention to our league, clubs should spend money to buy the best players from the Egyptian, Tunisian, Algerian, Moroccan, Ghanaian, South African, South American, other African and small European leagues to come play in our league. When this happens then come see how all eyes will be on our league. European leagues are not developed because of indigenous players, it is rather the other players from over the world especially Europeans that developed their leagues. Somehow, the CAF team of the year this year could be strting point to identify better players in African leagues,


11. The prize for winning the league should be very enticing. Like 100 million dollars.



12. Lastly, success they say have many friends. If Enyimba, 3SC and Rangers starts winning home and away league matches, wins CAF Champions League trophies etc within 3 years, bros, stadium go full.


We do not to wait for the economy to boom. Just persuade these billionaires to buy and fund the clubs and you go see wonders.

Goke7:
na the person wey de do something dey give aso ebi o though at a price so na cool business you sabi the way


e good make we laugh small for this forum, we are too serious in recent times, make temper cool small

You are right about the bolded. Make temper cool small.

Joebie:
The point is KC is performing for SE. That will keep him in SE until he starts to underperform. You don't have a case for Kayode's inclusion.
He hasn't scored. He is a striker. I am team performance.

If KC is not doing well in his club but he still gets the chance to play for the SE and 'performs', how do you know Kayode will not perform better in GWG if given the chance though he has not scored 'this' season since club performance is not the yardstick for call into D SE?

Joebie:
lol Kelechi is having a bad run in the EPL. Why is no EPL club interested in him? Bristol interest in Kelechi doesn't make the Championship great.
However, KC is doing well in SE colors.. That's the point.

Ok! I don't hear una.

Kog45:
icon4s baba just seen Komne and forgiveness laughing now,it seems guys are now saying championship is better than Dutch and Belgium top league just cos of Bristol interest in Kelechi Iheanacho.

Hahahaha! No be small laugh oooo. If na Ajagun try am dem go say he is not good enough.

People's eyes don't dey clear now about wetin I don dey harmer 4 tey tey.

kennysville:
All the sympathy we suppose get for Kayode Olanrewaju , Forgiveness don wash am away. Na wah O! The man that pep single handedly called and sent on loan to Girona is now looking for another loan elsewhere. So Nairalanders, what say ye to this?

Yeah! I purposely stirred the hornets nest in this one.

So, what do you except him to do in a situation he his not happy with his team mates?

If it is about performance he has done better than Iheanacho by far this season though he has no goals to his credit but his MOTM and his inclusion in the la liga team of the week speaks for him.

When I saw his expression in his club's last match, it was glaring he was not happy with his team mates. I understand because in most of the matches he played he would have scored if his team mates plays along with him but they would rather balloon the ball to the crowd than pass to him eventhough he was the one that worked the chances.


So, if it is about performance you think you can shade him then you're on a long thing because he did performed.


However, any player that wants to show his worth will not be content with reserve matches or warming the bench.

daveP:
Lol. hold on till i finish na.

Ha! So e still plenty! Hahaha!

Ok na. Kwantinu

Goke7:
your works on this forum says it all. Congrats, when are picking our aso ebi for the celebration party?

Hahaha! Aso ebi for where?

E don tey wey I don buy cloth for occasions except dem dash me.

Abi you wan dash me one?

daveP:
AWARDS FOR THIS THREAD 2017: THE WINNERS

CATEGORIES
1. Most Controversial Poster: Forgiveness (32votes)
2. Most Interactive Poster: Thegoodjoe (13votes)
3. Most Intelligent Poster: Mujtahida (10votes)
4. Most Resourceful Poster: tbaba1234 (14votes)
5. Most Respectful Poster: Kog45 (19votes)
6. Most Consistent Poster: Joebie (8votes)
7. Most Positive Poster: Thegoodjoe (8votes)
8. Best Sense of Humor: elyte89 (10votes)
9. Most Critical Poster: Mickael2 (13votes)
10. Nicest Poster: Joebie (5votes)
11. Most Influential Poster: Icon4s (15votes)
12. Most Pro-Foreign Born Poster: Forgiveness (19votes)
13. Most Pro-Naija League Poster: Bascovanveli (18votes)
14. People's Favourite: Safarigirl (22votes)


cc: joseph1013

Hahaha! So, na me carry two awards put. Issorite.

Truidstar:
Bros forgiveness, the bitter truth is this, Aluko, Ajagun and Lawal are not in Rohrs plans at all. The players he is currently considering to give a look in terms of addition are Akpoguma (defence) and Joel Obi (attack/dfm).

Who told you? Are you Rohr's personal secretary?

From the analyses from above, Raheem Lawal should be given the chance to prove himself in the team. He could be the best to deputize for Mikel Obi.


Until now, I don't understand why he was dropped despite his good performance whenever he played for Nigeria.


Sone Aluko and Abdul Ajagun are far better options than Tega Etebor but I don't know why the coach kept calling when their are better options.

SEE WHO CAN DEPUTIZE FOR MIKEL OBI IN THE ATTACKING MIDFIELD POSITION


Recently, we heard Rohr is searching for a player capable of playing the role of Mikel Obi. This is necessary should Mikel gets injury or suspension that could render him unfit or ineligible to continue or play in a match as witnessed in the last WC when we had no replacement for Michael and Onazi though Ramon Azeez could had easily replaced Onazi but for lack of trust wasn't played.


Therefore, it is indeed necessary and understandable to get a player who can slot in easily into Mikel's position without being felt.


However, we ought to know what exactly Rohr is looking for in a player able to deputize for Mikel. As we heard, he is looking for one who is able to hold unto the ball, give key and through passes, and also capable of defending.

Unfortunately, Rohr is not sold on Alex Iwobi and Tega Etebor to do the job hence the need to find a better player that can play the role of Mikel Obi comfortable without Mikel being missed.

As a fan of the SE, I have offered to contribute my quota by using the whoscored comparison data to compare the other players that have not been given the chance to prove themselves in the GWG shirt.

We will examine and compare their offensive, defensive and passing attributes and choose the better replacement for Mikel Obi and also reconsider Tega Etebor's place in the team if there is a better and quality option for him since our focus is on AMF/CM positions.

Here the contenders, Sone Aluko, Alex Iwobi, Etebor Tega, Abdul Ajagun, Raheem Lawal and Kelechi Nwakali.

I will use Mikel Obi stats as benchmark for these players and the Offensive part of their game will be the first to be compared.

I will bolding the attribute that is better than the ones in comparison.




Player Offensive Comparisons
Summary

John Obi Mikel
Tianjin Teda
Super league - 2017
Age: 30
DMC

OFFENSIVE
Apps: 13
Mins: 1170
Goals: 1
Assists: 1
SpG: 0.4
KeyP: 0.6
Drb: 1.5
Fouled: 0.7
Off: 0.2
Disp: 1.3
UnsTch: 0.3

PASSING
AvgP: 55.5
PS%: 85.4
Crosses: 0.1
LongB: 3.6
ThrB: 0.1

DEFENDING
Tackles: 1.7
Inter: 1.4
Fouls: 2.1
Offsides: 0.2
Clear: 1.9
Drb: 1.1
Blocks: 0.3
OwnG: -





Alex Iwobi
Arsenal
Premier League - 2016/2017
Age: 21
AM(CLR)

OFFENSIVE
Apps: 18(
Mins: 1463
Goals: 3
Assists: 3
SpG: 1.5
KeyP: 1
Drb: 1.1
Fouled: 0.5
Off: 0.1
Disp: 1
UnsTch: 0.9

PASSING
AvgP: 34.5
PS%: 87.5
Crosses: 0.2
LongB: 0.7
ThrB: 0.1

DEFENDING
Tackles: 0.7
Inter: 0.3
Fouls: 0.3
Offsides: -
Clear: 0.2
Drb: 0.4
Blocks: 0.2
OwnG: -



Oghenekaro Etebo
Feirense
Liga NOS - 2016/2017
Age: 22
AM(L),FW

OFFENSIVE
Apps: 21(2)
Mins: 1906
Goals: 2
Mins -
SpG: 1.6
KeyP: 0.5
Drb: 0.5
Fouled: 3
Off: 0.2
Disp: 2.2
UnsTch: 2.3

PASSING
AvgP: 24.4
PS%: 71.8
Crosses: 0.2
LongB: 1.4
ThrB -

DEFENDING
Tackles: 0.7
Inter: 1.2
Fouls: 1
Offsides: -
Clear: 0.9
Drb: 0.5
Blocks: 0.2
OwnG: -




Sone Aluko
Fulham
Championship - 2016/2017
Age: 28
AM(CLR),FW

OFFENSIVE
Apps: 44(1)
Mins: 3750
Goals: 8
Assists: 10
SpG: 2.8
KeyP: 1.1
Drb: 2.3
Fouled: 1.4
Off: 0.3
Disp: 2.1
UnsTch: 2.9

PASSING
AvgP: 38
PS%: 85.3
Crosses: 0.5
LongB: 1.2
ThrB: 0.1

DEFENDING
Tackles: 1
Inter: 0.4
Fouls: 1
Offsides -
Clear -
Drb : 0.6
Blocks -
OwnG -



Abdul Ajagun
Roda
Eredivisie - 2016/2017
Age: 24
AM(CR)

OFFENSIVE
Apps: 30(1)
Mins: 2568
Goals: 5
Assists: 2
SpG: 1.8
KeyP: 0.9
Drb: 0.5
Fouled: 1.2
Off: 0.2
Disp: 1.3
UnsTch: 1.5

PASSING
AvgP: 24.5
PS%: 73.5
Crosses: 0.4
LongB: 1.8
ThrB: -

DEFENDING
Tackles: 1.2
Inter: 0.7
Fouls: 0.6
Offsides: -
Clear: 0.3
Drb: 0.7
Blocks: 0.1
OwnG: -




Raheem Lawal
Kayserispor
Super Lig - 2016/2017
Age: 27
M(C)

OFFENSIVE
Apps: 16
Mins: 1276
Goals: 5
Assists: 2
SpG: 1.6
KeyP: 1.4
Drb: 3
Fouled: 3.9
Off: 0.1
Disp: 2.5
UnsTch: 2.1

PASSING
AvgP: 36.4
PS%: 74.9
Crosses: 0.1
LongB: 2.6
ThrB: 0.3

DEFENDING
Tackles: 1.4
Inter: 0.4
Fouls: 1.9
Offsides -
Clear: 0.3
Drb: 0.6
Blocks: 0.1
OwnG: -





Kelechi Nwakali
Venlo
Eredivisie - 2017/2018
Age: 19
Midfielder


OFFENSIVE
Apps: 3(6)
Mins: 298
Goals: 1
Assists -
SpG: 1.2
KeyP: 0.3
Drb: 0.8
Fouled: 0.3
Off -
Disp: 0.3
UnsTch: 1.1

PASSING
AvgP: 16.9
PS%: 80.3
Crosses: -
LongB: 0.7
ThrB: -

DEFENDING
Tackles: 0.4
Inter: 0.6
Fouls: 0.3
Offsides -
Clear: -
Drb: 0.4
Blocks: 0.1
OwnG: -




Mins: Minutes played Goals: Total goals Assists: Total assists SpG: Shots per game KeyP: Key passes per game Drb: Dribbles per game Fouled: Fouled per game Off: Offsides per game Disp: Dispossessed per game UnsTch: Bad control per game AvgP: Passes per game PS%: Pass success percentage Crosses: Crosses per game LongB: Long balls per game. ThrB: Through balls per game Tackles: Tackles per game Inter: Interceptions per game Fouls: Fouls per game Offsides: Offside won per game Clear: Clearances per game Drb: Dribbled past per game Blocks: OutfielderBlockPerGame OwnG: Own goals



Verdict on Offensive attributes.

In the shots per game category which has to do with the threat of shooting at goal in a game. Sone Aluko is better than all including Mikel Obi.

Here the rating is decided by the higher the number you have and this is rating style is also applicable to Key passes, the numbers of dribble (which has to do with your ability to dribble successful) and fouled (the ability to draw fouls and get your opponent a card).

Now, this is the rating for shots per game from number one till the last.

1. Sone Aluko - 2.8
2. Abdul Ajagun - 1.8
3 Raheem Lawal - 1.6
3. Tega Etebor - 1.6
5 Alex Iwobi - 1.5
6. Kelechi Nwakali - 1.2
7. Mikel Obi - 0.4

Next is Key pass.

What is the meaning of key pass?

A pass/cross that is instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity, for example a corner or free-kick to a player who then assists an attempt, a chance-creating through ball or cross into a dangerous position.
https://statsbomb.com/2013/11/assessing-key-passes/

It opta denoted events of Assist and Key Pass, ie the final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball shooting (regardless of the outcome of the shot


To simply put it, it is a final pass that frees a player to shot at goal or the ability to create a chance for a player to score. They are the assist masters depending on the ability of the recipient to score goals.

In this category, Raheem Lawal is better.

1. Raheem Lawal 1.4
2. Sone Aluko - 1.1
3. Alex Iwobi - 1
4. Abdul Ajagun 0.9
5. Mikel Obi - 0.6
6. Tega Etebor - 0.5
7.. Kelechi Nwakali 0.3


Dribbles/Take-ons


This is an attempt by a player to beat an opponent in possession of the ball. A successful dribble means the player beats the defender while retaining possession, unsuccessful ones are where the dribbler is tackled, Opta also log attempted dribbles where the player overruns the ball.

This is the ability to complete a dribble successful, and the winner here is Raheem Lawal.


1. Raheem Lawal - 3
2. Sone Aluko - 2.8
3. Mikel Obi - 1.5
4. Alex Iwobi 1.1
5. Kelechi Nwakali - 0.8
6. Abdul Ajagun - 0.5
6. Tega Etebor - 0.5

Foul won

Where a player is fouled by an opponent. There is no foul won for a handball or a dive where a free kick is conceded.

Fouled is the ability to get free kicks in vital areas and the ability to get players earn a card. This was one of Guardiola's tactics at Barcelona.

In this category, Raheem Lawal is better because he draws alots of foul to himself.

1. Raheem Lawal - 3.5
2. Sone Aluko - 1.4
3. Abdul Ajagun - 1.2
4. Mikel Obi - 0.7
5. Alex Iwobi - 0.5
6. Tega Etebor - 0.5
7. Kelechi Nwakali -

Dispossessed

If he is in possession but not attempting to "beat" his man, then he will get a dispossessed. It doesn't mean you are good at holding the ball but it does means you don't like to hold the ball and rather release on time. Iwobi one two touches explains why he is number 2 on the list.

1. Kelechi Nwakali - 0.3
2. Alex Iwobi - 0.9
3. Mikel Obi - 1.3
3. Abdul Ajagun - 1.3
5. Sone Aluko - 2.1
6. Tega Etebor 2.2
7. Raheem Lawal - 2.5


Touch/Unsuccessful touch

When the ball bounces off a player and there is no intentional pass, we award a touch. Where there is a mis-control we award an Unsuccessful touch.

The UnsTch means bad ball control.

It is ranked from lowest to highest. Mikel Obi na baba for this category.

1. Mikel Obi- 0.3
2. Alex Iwobi - 0.9
3. Kelechi Nwakali - 1.1
4. Abdul Ajagun - 1.3
5. Raheem Lawal - 2.1
6. Tega Etebor - 2.3
7. Sone Aluko - 2.9


Based on the data garnered for comparison of these player's Offensive abilities. Who is the most offensive?

Raheem Lawal.

But if we remove Mikel Obi and Alex Iwobi from the list due to fact that they are guaranteed a place in team then the ranking should be like this.

1. Raheem Lawal
2. Abdul Ajagun
3. Sone Aluko
4. Tega Etebor
5. Kelechi Nwakali

In this case, Etebor has to drop for either Sone Aluko, Abdul Ajagun or Raheem Lawal because they offer better than him.

What is your own rating based on these data from whoscored?


PASSING

AvpG (passes per game)


This is the total numbers of passes in a game. Even if you pass horizontally successful, you could be adjourned better than than those who makes few difficult key passes and through passes vertically.



Pass completion

This is simply a formula where Successful passes are divided by Total attempted passes in whichever combination of passes is selected.
Usually, pass completion excludes crosses.
Crosses are usually treated separately and Crossing success is the percentage of successfull crosses out of the total attempted.


Long balls - a long high ball into space or into an area for players to chase or challenge for the ball

Through Ball - a pass splitting the defence for a team-mate to run on to.

Final Verdict on the passing attributes based on the data provided by Whoscored. My rating goes like this.

1. Raheem Lawal
2. Sone Aluko
3. Mikel Obi
4. Alex Iwobi
5. Abdul Ajagun
6. Tega Etebor
7. Kelechi Nwakali


Defensively speaking, Raheem Lawal is still the closest to Mikel Obi but take not that Mikel Obi's defensive attribute is better because he played as a DMF and DF in many games.

Final Verdict.

I think Raheem Lawal should be given the change to challenge John Ogu for the CM slot while Sone Aluko and Abdul Ajagun should be given the chance to slug it out with Tega Etebor. Mikel Obi and Alex Iwobi's place are guaranteed.


Sources are Whoscored and Optasports.

http://optasports.com/news-area/blog-optas-event-definitions/mbNewsContentTemplate

Danielnino00:
Its a few days to the end of the year...


Who is your Nigeria player of the year??




CC: Forgiveness, TheGoodJoe,Safarigirl,Komekn,Icon79, icon4s, Mujthida,Kog45,Goldfish,soetanoreoluwa,Mikeal2,elyte89, and other distinguished members of the thread



PS: You can add another player that's not on this list

Victor Moses.

Recently, we heard Rohr is searching for a player capable of playing the role of Mikel Obi. This is necessary should Mikel gets injury or suspension that could render him unfit or ineligible to continue or play in a match as witnessed in the last WC when we had no replacement for Michael and Onazi though Ramon Azeez could had easily replaced Onazi but for lack of trust wasn't played.


Therefore, it is indeed necessary and understandable to get a player who can slot in easily into Mikel's position without being felt.


However, we ought to know what exactly Rohr is looking for in a player able to deputize for Mikel. As we heard, he is looking for one who is able to hold unto the ball, give key and through passes, and also capable of defending.

Surprisingly, Rohr is not sold on Alex Iwobi and Tega Etebor to do the job hence the need to find a better player though we will still compare them with the contenders.


As a fan of the SE, I have offered to contribute my quota by using the who scored comparison data to compare the other players that have not been given the chance to prove themselves in the GWG shirt.

We examine and compare their offensive, defensive and passing attributes and choose the better replacement for Mikel Obi and also reconsider Tega Etebor's place in the team if there is a better and quality option for him since our focus is on AMF/CM positions.

Here the contenders, Sone Aluko, Alex Iwobi, Etebor Tega, Abdul Ajagun, Raheem Lawal and Kelechi Nwakali.

I will use Mikel Obi stats as benchmark for these players and the Offensive part of their game will be the first to be compared.

I will bolding the attribute that is better than the ones in comparison.




Player Offensive Comparisons
Summary

John Obi Mikel
Tianjin Teda
Super league - 2017


Age: 30
DMC

Apps: 13
Mins: 1170
Goals: 1
Assists: 1
SpG: 0.4
KeyP: 0.6
Drb: 1.5
Fouled: 0.7
Off: 0.2
Disp: 1.3
UnsTch: 0.3
Rating: 7.01


Alex Iwobi
Arsenal
Premier League - 2016/2017


Age: 21
AM(CLR)

Apps: 18(
Mins: 1463
Goals: 3
Assists: 3
SpG: 1.5
KeyP: 1
Drb: 1.1
Fouled: 0.5
Off: 0.1
Disp: 1
UnsTch: 0.9
Rating: 6.72


Oghenekaro Etebo
Feirense
Liga NOS - 2016/2017

Age: 22
AM(L),FW

Apps: 21(2)
Mins: 1906
Goals: 2
Mins -
SpG: 1.6
KeyP: 0.5
Drb: 0.5
Fouled: 3
Off: 0.2
Disp: 2.2
UnsTch: 2.3
Ratings: 6.61



Sone Aluko
Fulham
Championship - 2016/2017


Age: 28
AM(CLR),FW

Apps: 44(1)
Mins: 3750
Goals: 8
Assists: 10
SpG: 2.8
KeyP: 1.1
Drb: 2.3
Fouled: 1.4
Off: 0.3
Disp: 2.1
UnsTch: 2.9
Rating: 7.09


Abdul Ajagun
Roda
Eredivisie - 2016/2017

Age: 24
AM(CR)

Apps: 30(1)
Mins: 2568
Goals: 5
Assists: 2
SpG: 1.8
KeyP: 0.9
Drb: 0.5
Fouled: 1.2
Off: 0.2
Disp: 1.3
UnsTch: 1.5
Rating: 6.49


Lawal
Kayserispor
Super Lig - 2016/2017


Age: 27
M(C)

Apps: 16
Mins: 1276
Goals: 5
Assists: 2
SpG: 1.6
KeyP: 1.4
Drb: 3
Fouled: 3.9
Off: 0.1
Disp: 2.5
UnsTch: 2.1
Rating: 7.32


Kelechi Nwakali
VVV-Venlo
Eredivisie - 2017/2018

Age: 19
Midfielder

Apps: 3(6)
Mins: 298
Goals: 1
Assists -
SpG: 1.2
KeyP: 0.3
Drb: 0.8
Fouled: 0.3
Off -
Disp: 0.3
UnsTch: 1.1
Rating: 6.43


Mins: Minutes played Goals: Total goals Assists: Total assists
SpG: Shots per game KeyP: Key passes per game Drb: Dribbles per game
Fouled: Fouled per game Off: Offsides per game Disp: Dispossessed per game
UnsTch: Bad control per game


In the shots per game category which has to do with the threat of shooting at goal in a game. Sone Aluko is better than all including Mikel Obi.

Here the rating is decided by the higher the number you have and this is rating style is also applicable to Key passes, the numbers of dribble (which has to do with your ability to dribble successful) and fouled (the ability to draw fouls and get your opponent a card).

Now, this is the rating for shots per game from number one till the last.

1. Sone Aluko - 2.8
2. Abdul Ajagun - 1.8
3 Raheem Lawal - 1.6
3. Tega Etebor - 1.6
5 Alex Iwobi - 1.5
6. Kelechi Nwakali - 1.2
7. Mikel Obi - 0.4

Next is Key pass.

What is the meaning of key pass?

A pass/cross that is instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity, for example a corner or free-kick to a player who then assists an attempt, a chance-creating through ball or cross into a dangerous position.
https://statsbomb.com/2013/11/assessing-key-passes/

It opta denoted events of Assist and Key Pass, ie the final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball shooting (regardless of the outcome of the shot


To simply put it, it is a final pass that frees a player to shot at goal or the ability to create a chance for a player to score. They are the assist masters depending on the ability of the recipient to score goals.

In this category, Raheem Lawal is better.

1. Raheem Lawal 1.4
2. Sone Aluko - 1.1
3. Alex Iwobi - 1
4. Abdul Ajagun 0.9
5. Mikel Obi - 0.6
6. Tega Etebor - 0.5
7.. Kelechi Nwakali 0.3


The next is their ability to complete a dribble successful, and the winner here is Raheem Lawal.


1. Raheem Lawal - 3
2. Sone Aluko - 2.8
3. Mikel Obi - 1.5
4. Alex Iwobi 1.1
5. Kelechi Nwakali - 0.8
6. Abdul Ajagun - 0.5
6. Tega Etebor - 0.5


Fouled is the ability to get free kicks in vital areas and the ability to get players earn a card. This was one of Guardiola's tactics at Barcelona.

In this category, Raheem Lawal is better because he draws alots of foul to himself.

1. Raheem Lawal - 3.5
2. Sone Aluko - 1.4
3. Abdul Ajagun - 1.2
4. Mikel Obi - 0.7
5. Alex Iwobi - 0.5
6. Tega Etebor - 0.5
7. Kelechi Nwakali -


I will move to the dispossessed per game. This has to do with how often you don't lose the ball and keep possession or how often a player is dispossessed of the ball. The lower the number the better you are at not loosing the ball and the best candidate in this category is Kelechi Nwakali.it doesn't mean you are good at holding the ball but it does means you don't like to hold the and rather release on time. Iwobi one two touches explains why he is number 2 on the list.

1. Kelechi Nwakali - 0.3
2. Alex Iwobi - 0.9
3. Mikel Obi - 1.3
3. Abdul Ajagun - 1.3
5. Sone Aluko - 2.1
6. Tega Etebor 2.2
7. Raheem Lawal - 2.5


The UnsTch means your bad ball control. It is ranked from lowest to highest. Mikel Obi na baba for this category.

1. Mikel Obi- 0.3
2. Alex Iwobi - 0.9
3. Kelechi Nwakali - 1.1
4. Abdul Ajagun - 1.3
5. Raheem Lawal - 2.1
6. Tega Etebor - 2.3
7. Sone Aluko - 2.9


Based on the data garnered for comparison of these players Offensive abilities. Who is the most offensive?

Raheem Lawal.

But if we remove Mikel Obi and Alex Iwobi from the list due to fact that they are guaranteed a place in team then the ranking should be like this.

1. Raheem Lawal
2. Abdul Ajagun
3. Sone Aluko
4. Tega Etebor
5. Kelechi Nwakali

In this case, Etebor has to drop for either Sone Aluko, Abdul Ajagun or Raheem Lawal because they offer better than him.

What is your own rating based on these data from whoscored?

Next is passing attributes.

joseph1013:
Just edit the below with the names of your choice. DaveP will manually use the notable mentions to arrive at the winners.

CATEGORIES
1. Most Controversial Poster
2. Most Interactive Poster
3. Most Intelligent Poster
4. Most Resourceful Poster
5. Most Respectful Poster
6. Most Consistent Poster
7. Most Positive Poster
8. Best Sense of Humor
9. Most Critical Poster
10. Nicest Poster
11. Most Influential Poster
12. Most Pro-Foreign Born Poster
13. Most Pro-Naija League Poster
14. People's Favourite
15. Most Sentimental
16. Notorious Silent Reader
17. Impressive Thread Newbie
18. Diehard Super Eagles Fan
19. Best Friends
20. Most Outstanding Poster
21. Overall Best Poster
22. Top Dramatic Topics
23. Honourable Mention:

CATEGORIES
1. Most Controversial Poster
ICON4( The initiator and founder of controversy)

2. Most Interactive Poster
Thesupernerd (There is no way you will not be forced to respond to his post and it could go on and on like that till thy kingdom come)
3. Most Intelligent Poster
Komen (analyses every issues easily for a lay man to understand)

Goldfish is another

4. Most Resourceful Poster
Thesupernerd

5. Most Respectful Poster
Kog45

6. Most Consistent Poster


7. Most Positive Poster
Thegoodjoe (he can make you see gold in sh.it)

8. Best Sense of Humor
elyte(em own na to make you)

9. Most Critical Poster
ICON4 ( criticises anything that can add value to the team using experience and long time membership as excuses)

10. Nicest Poster
Tbaba1234

11. Most Influential Poster
This can be given to someone who through his calm attitude despite provocation and direct insults brought decorum to this thread for others to emulate. It is not for those who insult and call people names.

12. Most Pro-Foreign Born Poster
Komen & Forgiveness

13. Most Pro-Naija League Poster
Danycrusoe & Bascovaneli ( na only from these two you go get solid news from Nigerian league)
Goldfish is another staunch supporter of local players.

14. People's Favourite
Tbaba1234 (everybody loves him with in short, direct and straightforward comments but em son dey ....) Safarigirl ( because she is a girl)

15. Most Sentimental
Who else? Thegoodjoe

16. Notorious Silent Reader
Madam confu

17. Impressive Thread Newbie
Jobie

18. Diehard Super Eagles Fan
Everybody else wetin we dey do for here since reach 4 years?

19. Best Friends
Safafarigirl & Icon7

20. Most Outstanding Poster
Terzurum5( always updating us with news)
Joseph ( He doesn't post much but when he does e dey make sense)


21. Overall Best Poster
Thesupernerd ( he did it for year before he went on sabbatical and resumed immediately he came back just yesterday) shun sir.

22. Top Dramatic Topics
Ajagun, Solanke, Iheanacho, foreign born and Super Eagles selection

23. Honourable Mention:

Everybody

TheSuperNerd:
Looollll....

TheGoodJoe-Safarigirl-TheSupernerd triple threat huh?


Got to be the deadliest trio in soccer analysis if we keep up our A-game... loooollll Hey! The rest of you smile naa... it was even Sir Goldfish80 who tagged us one time as A dynamic trio in arguments. Hahahahahahahahaha... Where is Sir Goldfish80? Happy new year Sir.


Omo but Oga Forgiveness na bad ass Keeper oooo. Putting goals pass him is hard and tasking and if he be striker, omo na our three-man defence need pin am down because the guy na drogba.