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engrsyer:
well you have your phone, sim card and data so you can type all sorts of rubbish all in the name of say I must respond to a post.

Just watch how it happens

What how what Will happen?

Please price prove that ur pastor has not used ur brain to fry fish, ask him to tell u the Two prominent people and the date they will die

annyplenty:
God bless you!

God help u

U are still seeing visions after all your past fake visions we are watching you.

Everyone knows u are deluded and sick. Visions of earthquake, hailstones, volcano, rapture, marine
agents, demons... Only u. But non is real.

Continue, we known u are mad.

Grupo:
Hahahaha. You accuse another of something you people do too well.

When it goes well - - - - God did it and must be praised.

When things go wrong - - - - Satan did it or it was man's free will

if u accept we are both doing it, isnt there a possibility that we both dont actually know what we are doing?

and ur post up there is not my position.

My position is that man should be blamed for when it goes both wrong and right.

bringing in God to the equation implies that it is also his fault when it goes wrong. God cannot take the glory when it goes right and man takes the blame when it goes wrong... when all we see is man's action.

Zither:
Since you know it is God's doing, why do people thank the pilots when they arrive safely? Is that one not also God's doing?

Typical atheists...
- When it is wrong it is God to be blamed
- When it goes well, God does not exist

Is this not confusion?

its not any God's doing bro... its all human doing, thats why i propose we should stop thanking God when it Goes right and blame man when it goes wrong.

lets blame man when it goes both right and wrong.

And if you think we have to thank God when it goes right then i am right to also blame him when it goes wrong (thats if he exists)

Zither:
Thought you are of the opinion God does not exist. Why are you then blaming a God that doesn't exist as if He manufactured the plane and His error of design led to the death of those passengers?

You have deliberately ignored human error, the very factor that has resulted in the death of an untold number of people, and have chosen to put the blame on an entity you have repeatedly denied His existence probably because you expect Him to always clean up the mess humans make, which when He doesn't you blame Him for the consequences resulting from the mess you created. How is that even logical?

Since u know its human error, why do people thank God they arrive safely? Is that one not human doing?

Typical theists...
- When it goes wrong its human error
- When it goes well , oh God is faithful.

Is this not confusion?
s when the

Zither:
Thought you are of the opinion God does not exist. Why are you then blaming a God that doesn't exist as if He manufactured the plane and His error of design led to the death of those passengers?

You have deliberately ignored human error, the very factor that has resulted in the death of an untold number of people, and have chosen to put the blame on an entity you have repeatedly denied His existence probably because you expect Him to always clean up the mess humans make, which when He doesn't you blame Him for the consequences resulting from the mess you created. How is that even logical?

Thought u were of the opinion that God exists, why do u believe when I say he is wicked, dumb and psychotic and jobless? How does such a God exist?

Agrogbeide:
157 souls and atheists are arguing with bitter tears in their hearts finding more useless and stupid proofs to believe God does not exist....... LMFAO.
GOD ALMIGHTY HAS SLAYED THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF EVERY HUMAN CATEGORIES WITH HIS OWN SWORD.....i thought they know how to read the Bible.....Lol. No Death that has occurred took HIM who is the PERFECT ONE UNAWARE....
Even if atheists cry tooth and nail just like the PDP after losing the presidential election their say and stand will still remain INSIGNIFICANT.
Who can deny that those 157 souls were not atheists that never believed in God but tried to call upon His name when the time of trouble came?.......... Don't try and argue it and if you must do make sure you are a professor in PROBABILITY..........kikikikikikikikiki.
I know one thing for sure, everyone has a personal dealing with God. The thought of God towards me is the thought of good and not of EVIL and to bring me to an expected end. Jeremiah 29:11.......The man that miss his flight and that escaped this mishap just came to mind now.
Synonyms for Atheism: Foolishness, Stupidity, baseless arguments, Nonsense, gibberish...... Lol.
May the souls of the dead RIP.
I BELIEVE IN THE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST AND HE IS THE PERFECT WAY, TRUTH AND LIFE.
LOL....

You have just made a valid point my man. The 157souls were atheists, that was why God watched them die while sipping heavenly champaign.
Of course God wasn't taken unawares, he actually planned it with the devil.
U just made perfect sense.

JJOF:
Afta man fell, d gate of death was opened on Earth. Evry man has 2 die, no mata wat d medium, we must all die. Some live old, some dnt live too old, n some die at infancy. But all we ve 2 do is 2 ensure dat we live daily by god's spirit, so dat we, like d 5 wise virgins, will always b ready 4 life afta death.

What and excuse... While God can do absolutely nothing about it

GeneralShepherd:
As sad as it is that people lost their lives, death is inevitable. As a deist , I believe God does not intervene in the affairs of men and therefore a plane crash does not disprove his existence.

It is still 100% illogical to think everything came out of an unknown thing that must not be God.

As a deist, u think God is just a Dundee?

johnydon22:
So, why is wanting to live good?

Why is something that favors humans good?

there goes the moral assumption. something is harmful isn't same thing as something is morally wrong.

why is stabbing me wrong?

finding something is harmful isn't same as it is not moral.

empiricism has no moral weight. empiricism makes no moral claim.

"Stabbing may kill you" empirically correct

"Stabbing is wrong" is now all you, that is your moral projection not what empiricism implies.

it is you as the observer that can decide to assume moral weight on these.

These questions u ask makes me think u see humans as objects that do not feel, think and decide.

You tend to forget the reasoning part of us that judges based on how we feel and how others around us feel about our actions.

There was once a little boy called john who didn't understand why people react so much when they lose a loved one. He thought victims should just move on with their lives already, a dead person is dead and gone. He used to say mean things to these people and don't bother to care.
But one day he lost he mum and he began to understand how people feel. He started to empathise with others when they lose their loved ones.

Like I told u before. ..morality is subjective because it hinges on learning, feeling, empathy, experience etc.

Asking a fellow human why wanting to live is good is like telling us u don't know how u will react when someone tries to stab u

GeneralShepherd:
Pedophilia is wrong today and I agree with everyone on that but to say morality is relative and absolute at the same time is a contradictory as saying you found a desert under water.

If is either morality is absolute or relative . If it is absolute then Muhammad was wrong and will always be wrong, if it is not then Muhammad was not wrong but his followers now are wrong.

@bold, is not as simple as u put it.
If morality was objective, who would have decided Mohammed was wrong? If morality wasn't a human construct that is based on empathy, learning, feeing and experience, who would have decided Mohammed was wrong?

johnydon22:
Oh true. Human condemnation of killing is based on an intersubjective belief that 'human life is sacred' therefore taking it is a violation of that sacredness.

No its is not based on the believe that human live is sacred... It is because the effect is not going well with us. Killing causes sadness, loss of loved ones, creates a vacuum, pain and burden. As a result humans agree its bad.. Yes some people must be killed because its a necessity.
If it was because human life is sacred then no one will ever be killed no matter what they did.

Morality is an imagined order. Other imagined orders are; money, government, country, corporations etc. (We imagine it, we believe it)

Let me demonstrate this better with another example of imagined order.

Take for instance; Nigeria used to use the Nigerian pounds and shillings.

today, we no longer, we use naira now.

Was the Nigerian pounds and shilling money then? - Yes
Is the Nigerian pounds and shilling money today? - No

Imagined orders thrive on the prevailing belief of that given locality. I think this simplifies it for everyone right?

I don't know if I get u right but this sounds like u are making my point for me.

johnydon22:
That is exactly the argument coolusername and frank aren't understanding.

You can't say morality is subjective and make moral judgements that implies morality is objective.

Many people accepting that killing is wrong does not make 'not killing' objective. It just implies that a lot of humans are in agreement with this moral decision because of how sensible it is.

johnydon22:
Absolutely nothing - I am beginning to find that most of you do not realize the implications of the arguments we make.

there are three principles of arguments;

Logos - logic
pathos - emotions
ethos - ethics

For the subject of morality, the arguments here are mostly based on pathos not logic

Not logic? And what is logic is to say morality that has changed over time in ur very eyes is objective?

Therefore moral relativity doesn't give you the basis to condemn a different moral approach because the point here is the argument that morality is relative.

If we have agreed the society decides what's right or wrong, why will moral relativity of give people the basis to condemn different moral approach? If humans cannot condemn what they think is wrong, then humans cannot say what they think is right? Humans decide what is right based on how an action affects them and others around them. And so in the bid to better our lives we have been coming up with new ways of doing things hence the change in what's moral over time.
If we have decided that what Mohammed did a long time ago and think it shouldn't be done now, it means we have condemned it... And this because a lot of things have been put into consideration. That's what humans do. That's what we have to do.

The only way 1 moral basis would stand for everyone at every time is if morality is objective.

True, but unfortunately its not. Look around u. Saying morality is objective is just a mere wish.

Again, this is the dilemma of secular morality, you can argue that morality is subjective at the same time make general moral judgements with an objective principle.

Yes it is the dilemma of morality... It has to do this for us to have a sane society, recall, general moral judgements have to be made after considering a whole lot of factors. All these have to be done and decided by humans.

if you insist that morality is socially defined - this simply means that any action that is socially defined as moral at any given time is in fact moral to that time and society.

No that not what it means, it means the society at that time has not matured enough to consider those factors that made the modern society condemn it.

You can only judge this same action as it applies to the moral framework of today on today's human.

Moral relativity

U can't, why? Because we are learning and advancing... That's what we must Dona's humans. Change.

johnydon22:
This reduces moral judgements to opinions, you may say Muhammed was wrong, another may say he is right - since we are all making subjective moral judgements, neither opinion out weights the other.

Moral judgement has always been and will always be based on opinion. That's why there is conflict in the world we live in... Saying God is the basis for morality has not solves this problem either... So humans make judgment on what is right based on a whole lit of factors.
@bold, isn't it why this thread was set up? Poster saying Mohammed's act is wrong and Muslims saying its right... The question u should ask is, why is anyone saying its wrong? Or right? Then weight it and make ur own judgement.

A subjective moral basis is meaningless. Morality at best is intersubjective and require fundamental beliefs about the moral subjects that translates into the moral weight of a given action.

Subjective morality is controversial. Its confusing and has many problems... But unfortunately that's what we have and humans are trying to work with it... I think we are frying our best so far.

Since Muhammed was clearly acting based an accepted moral structure of his time - he is far from being wrong.

Do u think Mohammed was right or wrong? Why?
Yes Mohammed has the right to think he was right? But ask urself does it bother him and other Muslims what other think?
Let me put it to u... If u decide that Mohammed was right or wrong, u have already displayed the same subjective morality u call meaningless. Or is it God that told u that Mohammed was right or wrong?

Judging something that happened 1500 years ago with the moral or even legal framework of today, doesn't follow. Unless you are saying that morality is objective and remains unchanged and binding - which i am sure you are not saying.

It was right then... But why is it wrong now?
The decision that it wrong now is based on subjective reasoning. If morality was objective, it couldn't have been right then.

johnydon22:
I actually agree with him. An atheist or someone with secular moral background has no basis to morally condemn that

What in the world is this...what's happening to u johnny?

Society/humans decides what's moral or not based on a whole lit of factors... Evil acts are not condemned just for the sake of it, but base din how it affects us.

earthsync:
Pls send links of the clips

Saw it on my wife's friends watsapp status. She showed it to me and fuxked my whole yesterday up. It took a hard one on me because it only brought back memories of losing my fiance to a ghastly motor accident in 2013, where she burnt to death beyond recognition.

I spent the better part of yesterday imagining what the families of these people are doing through and how these guys spent their last day on earth...

Thunder will fire anyone who comes around me to sing nonsense praise to any God.

CAPSLOCKED:
NOT EVEN THE CRIES OF ALL THOSE BABIES COULD CHANGE GOD'S MIND.
I'VE BEEN OFF BALANCE SINCE I WATCHED THE HORROR FILM YESTERDAY.

I saw a clips of how people in the plane were screaming and begging God to save them. There is another clip of how the plane fell and exploded, the there is a screens shot of the bodies after the crash. Its the craziest shit I have seen in a while... And someone is telling me that this is an agreement between man and God? Whatever that means...

donproject:
But it is an agreement between Him and humanity that every soul must taste death. The fashion at which every person will die is just different, but death is death, either one dies by fire, water, disease, accident, etc. If you didn't agree to this in the first place, you shouldn't be here on earth

If u had this agreement with ur killer God, why does it hurt u when u lose ur loved one? Why do Christians pray against death and give testimony when they escape death?

If God exists then he must be the most fuxked up creator ever existed.

He must be wicked, evil and he dumb and psychotic.

I am sure he has helped a christian or a Muslim somewhere find his car keys or get a new job. Or given unmerited favour to one lazy youth. Or better still he is busy dinking tea with one yahoo pastor... After all after the place crash he can easily blame it in evil humans or on the devil who he handed over the world to to torment his loving creations

Or perhaps he allowed them to die because he knows death ain't a thing, pain is just illusion or he intends to punish those who lose their faith as a result of the crash.

Every idea about this God is plane dumb which brings me to the question... What's his role as God? Why waste so much effort and time worshiping an idea which is a useless as the p in psychotic? He does nothing but takes the glory for everything good.

Tomorrow one stupid gospel singer will be singing praise and worship as if he just finished having great sex with Jesus.

I am sure she was busy on Facebook or twitter or Instagram reading gossips or laughing with some useless womanizers

Yea, I am possessed by demons.


And I like it

asuustrike1:
You just call that man fake.Study the scriptures and see how prophets dish out prophecies. A prophet most times make reference to the Lord e.g Thus says the Lord Nigeria shall be great. That pastor only gave prediction which many of you call prophecy.

Isn't this why its so easy for them to talk anyhow?

Harrymig1:
May God direct our path away from false prophets.

Stop praying to a God who does not talk.

If God exists, you should be disappointed in him and not these pastors who are just trying to make a living.

Have u considered that some of these pastors are just humans like u who think they are actually called by God?

So I ask, in all these false prophesies, disappointments, suffering and confusion, what exactly is this so PERFECT God doing about it? What exactly is perfect about God?

shadeyinka:
I apologize for my first response. It wasn't meant for you. I know that you are married ..cause we discussed about it once. But I thought she also had renounced her faith!

Religion doesn't make a marriage happy, and love isn't the way we define it.
Unfortunately, it is the other things like differences in ideology about
1. Money
2. Sex
3. Relationship with third parties
4. Religion
that causes the biggest flash points in marriage.

As long as your wife for instance is not Born Again, you might have no major problems. The problem could be you, in trying to curtail her new excesses or her trying to convert your children to born again Christians.

For those who don't know, they think it's all about Love!

Religion doesn't guarantee any form of success in a relationship. Being spirit filled resulting in excellent character and disposition of both partners does!

I agree with u here

shadeyinka:
I can bet it that you aren't married.

What is love?

I am married to a catholic Christian... I am an atheist. My wife knew before we got married but she knew what she wanted in a man.

Her mum came for omugwo (an IBO tradition where ur mother in-law comes to help out with a new born child) recently and realized I am not religious.

My wife laughed about our arguments and I made the woman see the foolishness in her belief. Well she left the house a few weeks ago knowing her daughter in safe hand despite realizing I was religious. This woman belongs to strong prayer groups on the east and claims to have gift of dreams, which I mesmerised.

In her three months stay she learnt something she had never known all her life...RELIGION DOES NOT REALLY DETERMINE HAPPINESS, PEOPLE DO.

You guys are blinded by ur beliefs and its a pity that people who claim to see that light are plain daft and stupid, acting like zombies who a controlled by a wax wire in their brains.

What has tribe, religion, race got to do with when to people are compatible with each other? If people just decide to let go of all these things they we see and understand each other much more better.

budaatum:
As in, look in my face to see if I'm lying?
As if you'd be able to tell lol.

I do mean it though, for all it's worth.

No to see if u are lying... Just to know how much u take ur own words serious. It will tell how much of an interesting person u are

JeromeBlack:
Bros, are you a foreigner? Your English Engrish usually gives me headache.

Lol... Meeting the guy in person will be very interesting. Will like to look at his face when he talks to see if he actually means them.

For me, hell was my major issue as a Christian. I feared hell like no man business. The fear of hell made the fear of death a realm terror and nightmare.

The bad news was that I was always praying for forgiveness and repentance but will quickly go back to sin after all the sincere prayer of repentance and Gods help.

Then it downed on my that I might never be a born again Christian, hence hell bound. This made me a living fear.

Was always broke as a christian so justified myself for not tithing. But my first cash after I graduated, was involved in a land business in abuja and got a huge amount. I happily tithed... Oh, that pastor needs o refund my money.

Leaving religion was like dropping down a huge burden. The braveness to say Bleep God is the sake braveness that would make u realise ur inner strength.

Why will u not shake ur head when u see people like jesusjnr behave like mad men in the name of religion?

uuzba:
It seems things were forced upon you as a kid and now you don't understand anything.

It seems unlike quoting people and talking rubbish.
How is the bible the word of God? Are u one of those deceived kids?

The bible is the word of God... Reading the shiiit now, Is God a mental patient?

What does this ur God even have?

MuttleyLaff:
This is not a first, that I just admire frank317's level of objectivity, fair-mindedness and though not a theist, his detachment sometimes from his bias(es) beliefs or non beliefs, that makes him to be open and able enough to make unapologetically frank, sincere, honest and well thought out things he has to say. I like the way and manner he's being cool, calm and collected, in responding to johnydon22

Wellsha, Johnny has always been the man. He brings out the calmness in every one