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Look at JOS, KADUNA, KANO, BORNO, YOBE, KOGI, GOMBE, SOKOTO, BAUCHI and NIGER states, the Muslims are sure doing a GOOD WORK. Also, you can check the MIDDLE EAST and ASIA, they are DEFINITELY DOING SOME GOOD STUFFS!!!
And someone come to NL to say they are not in SUPPORT of BH? When this are the kind of messages you preach in the mosque you are sure to have TERRORISTS ALL OVER!

In another thread, the other Nothern Elder is reacting to Dokubo in a war tone IN A MOSQUE after a SUPPOSED FASTING AND PRAYER!!


He forgot to add Farouk Lawan, Atiku Abubarkar, IBB, Abu Qaqa, Kabiru Sokoto, Abdul Mutallab, Sani Abacha, Osama Bin Laden the list goes on.

Kobojunkie: BULL_SHIOT!!! Nothing, even in the Bible demand we compare Saul with David, so stop with the stupid attempts to justify what was stupid to begin with . .. . .

At least I tried...you just don't want to learn. By the way, I never said you should support GEJ, I am not a political fanatic. I don't think GEJ is excellent, but you my friend is bent on believing and supporting anything anti-GEJ, and before you rush to respond, I have gone through a lot of your posts even in other threads just to know the kind of fellow I am engaging, guess the trend I got, you support everything ACN and anti-GEJ even when you are not logical or substantial in your claims. So, I rest my case.

“Within ten years from when he was working among the marine animals, [Mr. Jonathan] was appointed to become deputy governor

I have been thinking, who did Pastor T call the name in bold above? Was he actually referring to Niger Deltans? It will be very sad if I am right.

Kobojunkie: Again, NOWHERE in my POST did I mention David, nor did YOU mention David in your post which I responded to. Also the FULL STORY on page 0 DOES NOT MENTION DAVID. So stop trying to pretend you can TWIST what this is about because some ERRONEOUSLY CONCLUDED God Factor has something to do with David. The God Factor on Saul was just that, God Factor on Saul.

um . . . I think over the cause of several discussions on this thread, we have been able to establish one fact and that prophets should not be expected to be one dimensional. I am sure there are those during the Days of John the Baptist who though he also propagated hate, fear and dishonor especially against Herod and his wife.

Pastor T said:

God factor made him President.

I wrote:
[quote author=fr_evangel]I am suprised that a Pastor can mention the above in bold-red and still rain insults! I'm just saying...[/quote]Referring to this:

“Within ten years from when he was working among the marine animals, [Mr. Jonathan] was appointed to become deputy governor, and then became acting governor. Without even thinking about it, he was appointed as vice presidential candidate and, by doctrine of necessity, he became acting president. Before he could study how to act, God factor made him President. Now, he has not even performed in 2011/2012, he is planning for 2015. His middle name is Jeroboam!” said Mr. Bakare.

You wrote in response:

Kobojunkie: Again ....



God factor also made Saul a King. Yet God factor also brought Saul down . . . killed him too.

Then I had to let you know that if you are going to talk about Saul(as an example of how God can anoint a man and then after failing God can remove him), then you must also talk about the part of the story where the "Man of God"-David- never disregarded the anointing on God's anointed king (even after God had rejected Saul), when he refused to raise his hand against Saul who was actually after his life! He had so much respect for Saul that the soldier who killed Saul had to die because David felt bad that this man didn't respect the anointing on Saul(who again, God had rejected). If you must make an example you should be thorough.

Kobojunkie: What has DAVID to do with what I posted up there? Where did I mention David? What has David to do with God anointing Saul and then deciding in the end that Saul had to go?

So you didn't consider the full story before you mentioned Saul's case? Let me tell you, I don't think GEJ is doing excellent right now but I still know that God doesn't operate the way a pastor is doing lately; He is propagating hatred, fear and dishonour, he is suppose to be doing the opposite! Its not just Christ-like.

Kobojunkie: God factor also made Saul a King. Yet God factor also brought Saul down . . . killed him too.

But David NEVER INSULTED NOR TOUCHED SAUL! He even killed the soldier who tried to take glory for Sauls death, still with great respect for Saul. Remeber that?

“Within ten years from when he was working among the marine animals, [Mr. Jonathan] was appointed to become deputy governor, and then became acting governor. Without even thinking about it, he was appointed as vice presidential candidate and, by doctrine of necessity, he became acting president. Before he could study how to act, God factor made him President. Now, he has not even performed in 2011/2012, he is planning for 2015. His middle name is Jeroboam!” said Mr. Bakare.

I am suprised that a Pastor can mention the above in bold-red and still rain insults! I'm just saying...

Kpac: Passion and Pain.....
For the true compatriots of this country,what tunde bakare has said would makes so much sense and to the others,laugh it off.
There are still some Nigerians who love this country with everything in them.....Tunde bakare,I salute you.
Between 7pm and 7am this morning,like every other day,thousands of my brothers,sistes,uncles and aunties are robbed,raped,killed,beaten,kidnapped and other taken for rituals....No protection from their president,no passion either from the first lady....
The number of prostitutes we have this year is almost twice of last year,yet they still struggle to make ends meet......Yet the first lady doesn't concern herself with their existence.
By God's grace,the Jeroboam and his cabinets would soon become history of painful memories.

Which true compatriots are you talking about? I am an evangelist, I also read and make comments on politics on various blogs and websites daily, but I always no which ground I am speaking from. If I come to your house as an evangelist and start talking politics and Nigeria(not to even mention insulting our president) how would you receive me the second visit? As a bible student, I learnt from David, when he had the opprtunity to kill Saul, he refused and made a very remarkable statement when he said he would not touch the Lord's anointed no matter what. We all know that the Spirit of God had departed from Saul at this time and David himself knew for he was the one brought to play the harp everytime an evil siprit took over Saul. I thought he(Pastor B) should be there praying for the president and the nation. Anyway, since he became a political opponent, I am of the opinion he is no longer in the right position to speak against the president like God is the one speaking.

Is it not suppose to be easier to condemn Boko Haram than replying Clarke? He never said outrightly that IBB was a sponsor. IBB's refusal and gimmiks is only going to strengthen Clarke's point. Clarke may not be the smartest but for IBB and Buhari to vehemently condemn BH should not be so difficult. Or, is it?

In my opinion, Reuben Abati is GEJ's biggest undoing, he has failed woefully in his job. GEJ should dropped and a better media adviser should be hired.

RIM CEO Thorsten Heins’s interview with the Telegraph on Thursday made headlines for his admission that the company can’t keep up with Apple and Samsung without outside help.
But there’s another interesting nugget buried within the interview that didn’t get quite as much attention: Heins says that RIM took a long, hard look at migrating to Android before deciding toplow forward with BlackBerry 10.
“We took the conscious decision not to go Android,” Heins told the Telegraph.”If you look at other suppliers’ ability todifferentiate, there’s very little wiggle room. We looked at it seriously — but ifyou understand what the promise of BlackBerry is to its user base it’s all about getting stuff done. Games, media, we have to be good at it but wehave to support
those guys who are ahead of the game. Very little time to consume and enjoy content — if you stay true to that purpose you have to build on that basis. And if we want to serve that segment we can’t do it on a me-too approach.”
Given the current woes of Android vendors such as HTC (2498) and Google’s (GOOG) Motorola,
the company’s decision not to go with Android does make a good deal of sense. But now that RIM has decided togo its own way, the company will still need something to differentiate itself from the iPhone and the flood of Android devices released every year.
For Heins, RIM’s ace in the hole is BlackBerry Messenger, which he says delivers mobile messaging capabilities that are unique in the smartphone market.
“[BBM is] what attracts people to BlackBerry,” he said. “This is our BlackBerry experience we can deliver —there’s no other system out there where you can read, write, check if you’ve read my message. We want to make it as differentiated as possible. Going cross platform and opening up would be losing that advantage. I thinkthere’s a huge difference between somebody who just provides the phoneand the hardware and someone who provides services.”

http://ascology.com/news/technology/26734-Blackberry-maker-RIM-seriously-considering-switch-Android.html?utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter

xwolverine: Lagos State Government on Friday banned activities of National Union of Road Transport Workers across the various motor parks in the state.
The state Commissioner for Transportation, Mr. Kayode Opeifa, disclosed this in a chat with journalists in Alausa, Ikeja.
The briefing was also attended by his counterparts in the Justice and Information and Strategy Ministries, Mr. Ade Ipaye and Aderemi Ibirogba.
The meeting was convened to highlight the operational mechanism for the newly signed Road Traffic Law in the state.
Opeifa said, “The government recognises the right for NURTW members to associate. But it believes that the motor parks should be made easy for those who want to carry out their business of commuting in the state to do so without interference.
“Henceforth, union activity is no longer allowed in all the garages in the state. What they need to do now is to operate the way other unions in the state operate by using a recognised office.”
The commissioner revealed that the development also prohibits members of the NURTW from collecting money on the roads from commuters.
“No union member should be seen on the roads collecting money from transport operators. It is illegal and this is how it is contained in the white paper adopted by the state government,” he told journalists on Friday.
He said drivers and conductors in Lagos will be required to wear uniform, adding that this is meant to improve the safety of lives and property within the state.
“Government will soon commence the re-registration of motor parks across the state. The situation where people just park vehicles in some areas and converting them to motor parks is now illegal,” Opeifa noted.
He said there will be differentiation between motor parks, garages and bus stops.

source:
http://www.thenationonlineng.net/2011/index.php/news-update/56204-lagos-ban-nurtw-from-motor-parks.html

Although the part where drivers and conductors will put on uniforms sound dictatorial, this is laudable. But again, their uniform will add LEVEL to the business. Lagbus and BRT are already doing it.

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maclatunji: What the Senators uncovered was that only 46% of the money for projects that NOI herself approved in the first quarter was actually spent. They just lacked the capacity to figure it out and ask the following questions:

1. Why are you not spending monies that you have approved? There's a difference of N80 billion between N404 billion approved for release and the N324 billion actually paid out.

2. If you know that only N184 billion of the N324 billion you paid has actually been used by Ministries, Departments and Agencies (MDAs). What have you done to ensure that the shortfall of N140 billion is properly spent and accounted for by these MDAs?

These are the questions NOI needed to answer yesterday for us to see the proper picture of things.

THE LEGISLATORSLOOTERS WERE NEVER INTERESTED IN THE IMPLEMENTATION (their oversight function), they are seriously mad at the fact that ITS NO LONGER BUSINESS AS USUAL. NOI has fixed so many loop holes that the flow is minimal and the dogs had to bark. Sadly enough the ACN/CPC goons who lost reasoning already would not dissapoint, they are too predictable these days.

Kobojunkie: Where do you have me saying any of the above? Show us that you are not a liar, by showing where exactly you have me stating that I want money released and wasted without strict monitoring?

Why do you need me to be the "bad guy" so you can continue lying in support of the politicians?

How is it that you are so sure he referred to you? It means you are seriously guilty! Anyway, I have gone through some of your posts(I came in late, thanks to the traffic in Lagos plus "I cant blog while driving again - dont want to be in jail for 3months, courtesy of ACN Warlord" and I cant help but think you are either a relative of a lawmaker and funds are running low or you are an ACN/CPC goon. You have not been logical mostly!

Eyaa! But seriously, how can someone bomb himself to hell, its double tragedy! Anyway, that is what you get from sending your kids to become a part of the fallacy popularly called Almajiri

Eyaa! But seriously, how can someone bomb himself to hell, its double tragedy!

chucky234: BB's email push is unrivalled not even SGS3 come close.

Dude, I use BB and Nokia, I have colleagues that use Galaxy Tab, Ipad and other Android phones, we all receive our mails(yahoo etc) on our devices. Also, we receive office mails from our microsoft server. I even helped a colleague configure a Nokia E5 to receive up to 10 mails including office intranet mails also helped another colleague to configure his Chinko(china) Tablet running Android OS. I have used Samsung, Sony, Nokia, LG phones and have been receiving mails directly like in BB for some years now so I don't understand all this talk of push mail service. The only thing that keeps bb going is the ease of using bbm across platform or network. Whatsapp! may not sell well yet because it is only free for 1yr. They can crucify bbm/BB if they make it work like BB where u get your access bundled with your data plan. They can do this with the networks, it will be the killer punch! Mind you,I still use BB but seriously considering a move to Android(HTC or Samsung) or Iphone. My only problem is that I love using QWERTY keyboard, not really a fan of all-touch thing but again the keypad robs me of large display, anyway, I guess I can't have my cake and eat it.

[quote author=$tunna]We have or we will move pass BB as a very dynamic and advanced Nation...so no need to take tylenol over this that is none of ur headache

My fav phone was Nokia some 15years ago...then it was Samsung and then Apple and may soon be Samsung again, so it's not a huge deal...!

In the tech world, getting to the top is hard but staying there is even harder and we already know this as Canadians because we are at the forefront of new tech always! Canada is an ultra wealthy and innovative nation and will survive long after BB phone makers have gone out of business!

Y'all need to get this simple truth![/quote]Hellooooo!!! This is NAIRALAND not CANADALAND! If your Canada is so super what are you doing here?! You sound like you just got released from a Canadian refugee camp for illegal immigrants. Where you a victim of child trafficking?

[quote author=ekt_bear]I hope Microsoft or somebody teams up with RIM, tries to salvage this situation.

There is something a bit sad about seeing a formerly great brand dying..[/quote]You sound like a die hard BB fan. I am doing this post from my BB, I bought one because my company gives me 50% discount on BIS subscription, buh seriously I think its a hardware version of yahoo messenger with over bloated prices.
If u own a Android phone or Iphone then u can talk about functionality.

siddiq202: THIS MAY PROBABLY BE MY LAST POST ON THIS TREND

why did you deliberate omitted history if truly you are truthful?
I'm able to deduce the following from your post;
1. Either you know nothing about those verses; probably just came across them somewhere
2. or you know the truth but unable to reason with your brain.

If your case is that of number one, I will advice you to make research on the explanation/tafsir of the verses.
you can google search "tafsir Quran" if you need help

Like I said, I dont want to go into history because i have been seen as a blasphemer everytime i tried explaining the history of Islam to Muslims. I can tell you the whole idea of Islam and the goal in human existence from your prophets own history. I know a lot about the history of the early jihads. I am sure you are already thinking, which history do you know and what makes you so sure of what you know? Anyway, i would be suprised if you haven't and that's the reason I stopped discussing history.

manny4life: Thank you sir, no doubt that iron sharpens iron, and I'm glad you know that you sin as well does that mean that you're equal to a jihadist just because you called someone a name? I don't have beef with you, you're free to correct someone but my point is to equate my wrong to a Jihadist. I don't kill, maim or destroy lives and properties like most of them do. That's harsh and highly unacceptable.

Sorry about that, I didn't mean it that way. What I meant was that you shouldnt attack people (in words or weapons) just because they dont agree with you. That's what Jihadists do. Even the Crusaders did the same, but I bet you, neither Jesus christ nor the Apostles did like the crusaders.

siddiq202: Please kindly summarize the history behind each of the verses you quoted on page number 2. so that you can prove to the world what you claim you know about Islam. Thanks in advance
I hope you know what it means if you can't do that?

I won't border doing that! I have tried not to go into history in all my posts(it was deliberate). It will be endless arguement if I do because you will not agree to most of the things I would say. Also, i am not trying to prove that I know. If you know me personally, you wouldnt even think I am the one writing. I can point out facts/knowledge but I leave you to do your studies. One advice, when you study try to be open, don't study with pre-conceived thoughts. Study your Quran and ask questions, you can study some sections of the Bible too, but dont try to pick out scriptures to support your beliefs in Islam as most Islamic Scholars do. Again, it's just an advice, take it or leave it.

shadan22: please read this it will help you.
Church Resources and Organisation


Christianity was launched without any definitive social principles, laws or system for .running affairs. This deficiency long prevented Christian spiritual leadership from interfering in social, political or governmental matters. So it continued until the sixth century of the Christian era. On Christmas Day AD 800 the king of the Franks was crowned "Caesar" and transferred some of his territory to the overlordship of the Pope. With this began the epoch of Christian leadership's supremacy and glory. The Church grew in power and wealth. Conflicts over the control of power arose between political and religious leaders. Europe fell prey to the oppressive wars of Popes and Emperors.

People who regarded the Church as the manifestation of the spirituality of Christ were stubborn partisans of the clergy. and by their help the Church's temporal power and influence increased daily until its unrivalled hegemony was fastened upon the nations of Europe. In early days, before deep rifts split Christianity, each Christian city had its " Bishop" ; and groups of neighbouring cities were jointly administered by an "Archbishop" or "Patriarch". The Bishop of Rome gradually came to assume supreme authority as Pope (which means "papa" of all Christians). He interfered in all religious matters, including the appointment and dismissal of Bishops and Archbishops. Finally this became too much for the "metropolitan patriarchs" of Constantiyya (i.e. Byzantium, Constantinople, Stambul), and they decided to withdraw from Papal jurisdiction and set up a separate domain of their own, in recognition of the fact that the imperial capital of the Empire had been moved from Rome to Stambul. After a series of violent clashes between the Pope and Stambul Patriarchs, final separation occurred in AD 1052. Christianity split into two camps. Eastern Europe was subject to the Constantiniyya clergy, self-styled "Orthodox". Western Europe from Poland to Spain remained obedient to the Pope as self-styled "Catholics" These two religious bodies followed different rites and hurled charges of heresy at each other.

In the early 16th century a third body formed itself in Europe, initiated by Luther and styled "Protestant" Luther and his followers started by opposing the Pope's habit of selling sites in heaven together with "indulgences" remitting sins : and went on to attempt to reform the whole Church and purge it of errors and corruptions. They only succeeded in creating another split in the unity and simplicity of Christ's religion: the huge number of people who followed Luther in rejecting papal authority and sacerdotal dogma became a third sect including most of northern Europe.

The Pope's absolute power in Catholic Europe of the 12th and 13th centuries provoked its inevitable reaction. A number of heretical movements arose promoting doctrines condemned by the Papal Office. So great became the anxiety of the Pope and of the Catholic party about these insurrectionary movements that in 1215 AD the Pope set up the "Inquisition" to combat and eradicate such heresies. The Inquisition had branches in every city of France, Italy Germany, Poland, Spain and other Christian lands. Persons accused of heresy were hauled up before the inquisitors, and, if condemned, suffered severe penalties.

This institution used its excessive powers in such a way as to suppress all freedom of thought. Anyone suspected of ideas and opinions regarded as contrary to those held by the Church was subjected to hellish tortures. These courts even sometimes passed sentence for heresy on the dead, ordering the disinterment of their coffins - a process described by Will Durant in his "History of Civilisation" (vol. 18, p.35) thus : "The 'Court for the Inspection of Ideas, Laws and Religion' had a legal procedure all its own. Before a local assizes of the Court was held, the 'Faith-act' (Auto da Fé) was read from all Church pulpits, demanding that information be laid against anyone suspected of atheism, irreligion or heresy. and that such persons be haled before the Court of Inspection. Neighbours, friends and relatives were encouraged to turn informer Informers were promised complete secrecy and protection. Anyone who harboured an atheist, or failed to denounce him, was himself incarcerated, and threatened with the church's excommunication, curse and ban. Sometimes the dead were charged with atheism and blasphemy. Special ceremonies were employed for their judicial condemnation. Their property was confiscated : their heirs were stripped of their inheritance. From 30 to 50% of the property of a deceased person who was condemned were given to the successful accuser. Trial by ordeal assumed different forms in different times and places. Sometimes the accused man's arms were bound behind his back and he was suspended from them. Sometimes he was so bound that he could make no movements and then water was poured down his throat so that he died of suffocation. Sometimes ropes were tied so tight round arms and legs that they cut through flesh to the bone."

So powerful did the Christian hierarchy become in Europe that no fewer than ten kings and political leaders of Germany and France were excommunicated by Popes. Some great landed proprietors lost all. Some were compelled to do public penance. Thus in AD 1075 Pope Gregory VII excommunicated the Emperor of Germany, Henry IV, for disregarding a Papal Firman, and told him that he must give up his throne. Henry promptly donned penitent's garb and hurried to the Papal Court, where the Pope kept him waiting three days before receiving him, accepting his repentance and granting him absolution.
In 1141 Pope Innocent II excommunicated Louis VII. In 1205 Pope Innocent II excommunicated King John of England for attacking certain bishops.

Finally John felt compelled to send a message to the Pope saying: "An angelic messenger bade me supplicate Jesus and His Apostle, our benefactor Pope Innocent, and his catholic successors, on behalf of England and Ireland. From henceforth we hold these kingdoms as Viceroy of the Pope and the hierarchy and have commanded that the sum of £1,000 English be paid to the Roman ecclesiastical coffers annually, in half-yearly instalments of £500 each, in silver. Should 1 or any of my successors on the English throne transgress against the purport of this decree, we forfeit right to the English sovereignty." (Marcel Cache "Social History," Vol. II). The same author (Vol. II, p.123) writes: "During this period 5,000,000 people were punished for offences against orthodox thought, or contravention of a papal decree. They were hanged on the gallows; or left in the pitchy dark of well-like dungeons. In the 18 years, 1481-99, the Inquisition burnt 1,020 people alive, sawed 6,860 asunder, tortured 97,023 to death."

Victor Hugo wrote : "The real history of the Church will be read not on the pages but between the lines, of the official annals. The Church caused Parnili to be whipped within an inch of his life for declaring that 'stars do not fall from their appointed paths.' The Church cast Complained into prison 27 times for claiming that innumerable other worlds besides earth exist. The Church tortured Harvey for the crime of proving that the blood circulates through the arteries and veins of the body. The Church incarcerated Galileo for claiming that the earth orbits round the sun, in contradiction of theories put forward in the Old and New Testaments. The Church imprisoned Christopher Columbus for discovering a land not mentioned by St. Paul. They claimed that it was sacrilege to discover laws of the heavenly bodies, or the orbit of the earth, or an unforeseen continent not foretold in scripture. The Church excommunicated Pascal and Montey for immorality, and Muller for sacrilege and immorality." ("History of Free Thought", p.147).
The Church also exercised her power against Islam. On the pretext of treeing Jerusalem, she launched campaigns of bloodshed and atrocity in what she called "Wars for the Cross" or "Crusades", during the years 1095 to 1270.

Although the prime cause of these wars was the hatred and jealousy of Islam nursed by the Pope and the hierarchy, they stirred up the common people to enlist by false promises of loot and by ingenious calumny against the Muslims. Pope Urban II called a congress of clergy and religious leaders to decree a war against Muslims : at which the Pope ordered all bishops and clergy to enlist men for the battle against the Muslims, and himself led the recruiting campaign in France.

So vast was the first army that started out for Jerusalem that it seemed as if all Europe were afoot toward Asia. Some say there were as many as a million men on the march. En route these plundered, burned, mutilated and drowned the local citizens. They slew soldiers and civilians alike, women and children included. When they finally took Jerusalem in 1099, three years after the start, only 20,000 survived out of the original million. Civil wars and pestilence followed this "Christian" sacrifice of myriads of their own and of other nationals.

In the words of Gustave Le Bon ("La Civilisation lslamique et Arabe" p.407): "The atrocities committed by the Crusaders against friends and foes, against soldiers and innocent peasants, against women and children, against old and young, give them top place in the annals of savagery. One of their number, Robert the Monk, wrote : 'Our army raged through alleys and piazzas and over the flat roofs of adjoining houses like a mother lion robbed of her whelps, rampaging, tearing children to shreds in savage delight. We put old and young to the sword.

To speed up the work we used one rope's loop to hang many people together. Soldiers stole anything that came to hand, even ripping open the bowels of corpses in their search for jewels or coins. Whatever they found they pocketed. Finally, Bohemond assembled all the survivors men and women, maimed and helpless, together - in the castle, and butchered them all, saving only the young for sale in the Antioch slavemarket.' And Godfrey Hardouinville reported to the Pope: 'In Jerusalem Muslims who fell into our hands were slain by our people in Solomon's porch until the temple precincts flowed knee-high with blood'."

The Inquisition's torture of the learned and thinking class of its day roused an inevitable reaction against the Church. Independent-minded scientists pushed on with their work, despite severe censorship, until Church bigotry was compelled to beat a retreat and leave the road open for enlightened study and investigation. But by now scientists had come to regard all religion as the partisan of superstition, of ignorance, and of the suppression of science and erudition. The atrocities of the Crusades and barbarities of the Inquisition aroused abhorrence and suspicion in the popular mind against every form of religion.

In Russia, too, the Church's neglect of the poor and destitute, and patronage of the rich, roused a reaction which aided the rise of the communist movement, and caused its leaders to declare war on religion, stigmatising the religious as "capitalist lackeys and exploiters of the working class," and declaring that it was only "by obliterating the myth of God from the mind of man" that the revolution of liberty, equality and fraternity could be realised.

Ferdof, in his book "Religion in the U.S.S.R." (p.7), writes: "In Czarist Russia the Church owned vast properties in lands, buildings and furnishings, with millions of roubles in gold in the banks. She drew an income from forests, pastures, fisheries, commerce, industry and much else. In fact, the Church was the biggest capitalist of all, the biggest landowner, the biggest banker of Russia. She mercilessly exploited merchants, small and large. She made no attempt to improve industrial working conditions. So great was the hatred this conduct aroused amongst working and shopkeeping classes that the clergy were called .wolves in priests' clothing'."

Christianity, in its day the preserver of ancient manners and customs, the conservative reactionary, has today learned to strengthen its own foundations by adding to its brilliant historic past all that science and culture has to offer to modern genius.
The Catholic Church alone wields 4,000 propaganda organs spread all over the globe. Their budget enables them to extend their efforts at conversion to darkest Congo, to remotest Tibet and to the most primitive tribes of Australia.

The annual budget of the Church of England is well over 900,000,000 tomans.
Such figures, when compared with the pittance at Islam's disposal, pain the heart.

The Gospel has been translated into more than 1,000 languages. In 1973 the American "Society for the Publication and Distribution of the Gospel put out 24 million copies.

The Vatican publishes its own newspaper "L'Osservatore Romano" with a daily circulation of 300,000. It produces some 50 monthly periodicals with a total circulation of several millions per month. It runs 32,000 primary schools, universities and hospitals. Four powerful agencies despatch missionaries to the other continents.
Christianity employs three methods of propaganda:

1. translation of the books of the New Testament;
2. erection of churches and places of worship;
3. despatch of missionaries to all parts of the world.

Protestant sects likewise exert remarkable efforts at spreading their faith. "The Reader's Digest" wrote: "The revolutionary foundation of the Protestant Church of America was a revolt against efforts in Europe to renew the exaction of the 'tithe' which has been the Church's ancient right. Yet from 1950 on, the movement of 'stewardship' has been taken up increasingly so that many congregations have doubled or trebled their contributions, and thus made possible hundreds of new church buildings, and the reinforcement of missions at home and abroad. Most important, congregations and their members have realised the joyful results and unexpected rewards of the revival of this ancient custom."

So, what's your point? Do you expect Bible Students like me to regard this article done by some fellow? Anyway, there are several false preachers, teachers and pastors who, like I said in a previous post, are out to MERCHANDIZE the brethren. Its left for Believers to have THE LIFE OF JESUS CHRIST AS THE STANDARD!

siddiq202: I asked you to explain those verses so that you can display your ignorance. you no NOTHING about Islam. I won't waste my precious time on you but I got this tell you...read the tafsir of those verses of the Qur'an you earlier quoted to know why those verses were revealed to the Holy Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon Him).

and if you claim that Terrorists have support from the Qur'an based on those verses I asked you to explain then I'm afraid I have to advice you to consult an English Teacher to explain those simple grammar used.


you are a typical "follow-follow" Christian that base everything concerning his religion on what his scholars say irrespective of the religion views. WHAT A SHAME?!!! you don't need me to remind you bad things that top Nigerian Pastors have done/said, do you?

Firstly, you realised you havent studied those scriptures hence would rather not talk about it. The debate I watched was a Muslim programme in the UK. I DONT FOLLOW SCHOLARS!!! I read the Bible, and I have read some part of the Quran and other religious books too with a lot about their hsitory. Many years back I used to visit some friends in an Islamic boarding school just behind my street and we would 'argue'. This made me read some history of Islam and sections of the Quran.
Secondly, I didnt tell you there are no false pastors or preachers. Infact the Bible tells of an increase in falsehood among Christian leaders in the last days, which we are in. They are called false prophets and teachers! but they are there to merchandize believers and make personal gains. ITS ALL IN THE BIBLE! THE BIBLE IS SO SIMPE AND PLAIN THAT YOU MOST LIKELY WOULD NEED A SCHOLAR TO HELP MISUNDERSTAND IT!!!

Dawdy: ure liying here is what Jesus says in matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Ah! Here you go stumbling on another scripture picked out of context.

READ THESE:

Matthew 22
34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.38 This is the first and great commandment.39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

1 John 4
6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

1 Thessalonians 3
12 And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

Luke 6
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful

John 13
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.



Romans 13
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law



When I said Jesus came to abolish the law, I meant to fulfil the
PURPOSE of the law! But you have to understand when Jesus spoke to the Jews it was different when He spoke to the gentiles. God had convenant with the Jews already when Jesus Christ came. Jesus Christ came to establish A NEW CONVENANT with the JEWS and GENTILES(REST OF THE WORLD).

Now, there is a deeper part of that scripture. To the Jews, Jesus Christ came to FULFIL the law but to the rest of us, He came to SET ASIDE the law for it was the law that separated us from the CONVENANT. We could not partake in the blessing except the 'wall' is broken down.

Ephesians 2
1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

manny4life: St.Peter, I see since the day you were born or should I say since the day you gave your life to GOD or became Christian, you haven't insulted or perhaps committed sin... I guess if you search within yourself, and you have at least murmured (remember the chapter that talks about murmuring is as a sin of witchcraft), I guess that makes you also a Jihadist?

Biko, leave me alone and thank you for your gospel, but trying to associate and equate me as a Jihadist because I insulted someone is uncalled for and I'll let you slide on that one. He who says he has no sin in him should cast the first stone, I'll leave you to it but watch your tongue please.

I never said I havent sinned, I would be a liar to say so. 1 John 1:7-9; Anyway, I wasnt saying I am holier. As iron sharpenth iron so a man the contenance of his friend - if it means anything to you.

aribisala0: "The message was not for Christians but for Jews"
SO Jehovah gave the Jews a false message and saved the original for Christians?? This Jehovah self
Anyway Jehovah and Allah they are the same blood thirsty character. Imagine killing your own son then you send another prophet to disown him as your son.After impregnating another man's wife

No, you decided to pick that out of the full comment. Jesus Himself lets us know he came to abolish the law and fulfil God's plan for mankind.
Plus that, If you are talking about my post then I did mention that in those days it was Physical Might that matters. To be rated a successful nation, you had to DESTROY your enemies physically! In short the Pharisees thought Jesus Christ was coming to defeat the Roman empire and deliver them from their rule. They didnt know He was on a "Spiritual mission".

siddiq202: you guys might want to consider these verses of the holy Qur'an before typing trash

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors"
Qur'an 2:190

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers"
Qur'an 60 verse 8

"...whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely..."
Qur'an 5:32

siddiq202: @fr_evangel please explain those verses up there

The scriptures you mentioned GIVES THE CODITION FOR VIOLENCE! IT DOESNT SAY THERE SHOULD BE NO VIOLENCE!
Qur'an 2:190 - Says you should FIGHT those who FIGHT you. All you need to do is label them transgressors(infidels) and you are good to go!

Qur'an 60 verse 8 - You can deal justice to those who deal justice to you. Only to those who have not FOUGHT YOU about your religion and have not driven you out of your homes. Hmmm.

Qur'an 5:32 - You can kill a soul for these reasons: (a) one who has killed too (a murderer). (b) for corruption [cor·rup·tion/kəˈrəpSHən/Noun: 1.Dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.
2.The action of making someone or something morally depraved or the state of being so.]

If this is all you have to give @soddiq202 then Boko Haram and othe world Islamic Terrorist Groups have a good support from the Quran. I watched a debate sometime back when some Uk Islamic radicals argued that those who say Islam is a religion of peace are weak Muslims. These scriptures doesnt say there should be NO VIOLENCE but WHERE THE VIOLENCE SHOULD BE DIRECTED!!

COMPARE THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST:
Matthew 5;37-47


38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

AND Luke 6: 27-36;

27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also.
30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful

bisoyeg: Am sick and tired of all these arguments,really let's look it through between the two figures of Christianity and Islam who would a right minded,sane and peace loving individual follow and emulate,should the all world act and behave like Mohammed or should the all world act and behave like Jesus I leave the answers to your imaginations
Please someone with a constructive mind should say to this

Ephesians 5
1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour

aribisala0: If you can selectively choose which verses you want so can moslems the truth is both have murderous doctrines and try to deceive African,In that same bible we are told Numbers 23'19
God is not a man that he should change his mind.The argument christian are putting forward is that once Jehovah was evil and now he has changed his ways,Makes sense to you but leaves Ogun worshippers like me scratching our heads
Hmm

God has not changed. In the old times, success was in CONQUERIN.G territories, everywhere in the entire world, thats why you have all those empires then. But humanity has evolved and SUCCESS is different now! The old testament days, to be succesful, you have to defea.t all your percieved enemies PHYSICALLY!! Most reli.gions have evolved but I.slam. Mind you Christianity is not even a religion (we dont have enough time to go into that here).