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swtchicgurl:
why don't you just do yourselves the little favour of looking through some other threads where all these have been discussed...hopefully, you will pick up some vital information. Importantly, open your hearts to wisdom. God bless.

I'm sure you don't know me in Nairaland. Please view my posts from my profile, I have post important points and EVERY SCRIPTURE from the Bible that talked about tithe.
You need to study the word of God for yourself that's what Goshen is getting you to see. Read Acts 17:11.
God be with you

I attend a church that preaches tithe and warn all hell will break loose if you don't. In fact, I was never a member of a church that doesn't.
I was a preacher in a church and preached tithe with "vehemence" until I did a personal study while still a member and church leader in the church.

The question is not IF YOUR CHURCH PREACH TITHING. The question is HAVE YOU STUDIED IT YOURSELF?

@OP, your pastor actually did not always believe in tithe in his early days in ministry. He actually preached against tithing.
If you joined Christ Embassy within the last 8 years you may not have heard about it from him.

According to him, he only believed in tithe after he tried to look for scriptures "against" tithing and "found none".

This was a call from the Holy Spirit Oct 10, 2013
This is a call to prayer.

We are in the last days, Jesus and the Apostles clearly warned that many will be deceived. Many will become hardened to the truth and gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Many will be caught unawares!

No matter how much we try to explain or call believers to the word, if the Holy Spirit is not involved, it will not yield fruits.

I call on you to pray.
Pray for the Church, the Body of Christ all over the world.
Let your knees hit the floor! Pray!
Pray for those who have been led astray!
Pray for those who have been caught up with the affairs of this life!
pray for those who are ignorant and have veil over their hearts!
Pray for church/ministry leaders, pray!

May the grace to pray and intercede for the church, the bride of Christ, be on all who will make themselves available.

Pray for unbelievers all over the world!

You never know who your prayer will bring out of darkness.
You never know who will be saved from the clutches of hell.
You never know who will be set free from bondage.
PRAY! PRAY and PRAY AGAIN!
Pray in the morning, pray at noon, pray at night, Pray every time and any time you have the opportunity!
Pray without season!

God Bless you as you heed this call.

marvelling: @Goshen360 which church you dey go sef? This your write up is against mainstream pentecostal teachings of our day.

But at the time you post this all that Goshen had done was quote Bible. Does this not tell you something about "mainstream" teachings.
@Goshen, a friend drew my attention to this sometime last year.
There ar some many grey areas in the doctrine of tithing as taught today.
Notice that many of those who support tithing actually DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU ARE QUOTING FROM THE SAME BIBLE and actually encouraging them to study.
Christians are now afraid to study the Bible for themselves. Afraid to tell their church leaders where they missed it yet we see Paul commending the Berean church in Acts 17:11 for confirming the scriptures for themselves.

I don't think mko2005 actually read my posts or that of any other poster.
Seems like you are on a mission to preach falsehood.
I used to feel that most tithe preachers are simply ignorant (because I was when I pr ached tithe) but your scheming tactics has made me believe some preachers know the truth but are deliberately preaching a lie for the sake of money and because of the greed and "yahoo yahoo" attitude of folks like Olivertwist.

Candour, God bless you for your post about helping the needy brethren. God Bless you real good. That encouragement deserve a new thread.
Even when I was in a ministry where they almost made it wrong to help the needy brethren, stigmatizing the needy brethren as faithless, I some how, had a strong passion to help some personally. Some of them today have become pastors and church leaders who are in turn helping others, because that's what they learnt. This is God's plan for the church. Acts of the Apostles and Paul's letters to the churches shows this.
Jesus himself showed it severally and especially in Matthew 25;
The ONLY emphasized giving in the New Testament is sharing with the needy, the brethren in need, strangers, our family and as many as God will grant us the opportunity to help.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

God bless you Candour, Pastor Kun, Christemmbassey, democrazy and all who got to their Bible to learn from God's word.
How can I forget to add Goshen360. Thanks a lot.
ps: @christemmbassey, your name made me feel you worship there oh, lol
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@ mko2005 and Olivertwist, I have seen that both of you have hardened hearts and don't mind twisting scriptures to establish falsehood.

Every scripture on tithe you will ever need and every explanation has been given, but you have ignored it deliberately.
Compare what you just did, Olivertwist, (beating your chest because you gave 25,000) and what the Pharisee did in Luk_18:12 I fast two days a week, and I give you one tenth of all my income.' and what Paul said here Eph_2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
So it is about money doubling and multiplication? You think your financial increase is tied to the fact that you tithe?
See where this doctrine of tithe has taking you to, back straight to the Law! You forgot that the law could not save anyone, that's the reason for grace.

I will not explain further, If you are interested, read through the scriptures I've previously posted.
The grace of the Lord be with you. Amen

Candour: my bro, you can only do so much.

God owns the Church and he'll do his cleansing himself. All we need do is sound the truth to all we can find and those who'll listen will. When Martin Luther started his one man crusade, nobody expected it to break the monopoly of the Catholic Church but it did bringing in the reformation.

God alone who knows the beginning from the end, knows how it will pan out. We all should just do our bit and leave the rest.

Na God get power

Thank you. Exactly what I have decided to do.

2 Timothy 2:25 (KJV)
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Pastor Kun: Trust you to support any statement that supports your tithing racket no matter how daft it sounds. How any right thinking person can make a principle of Abraham's one off voluntary tithes from war booty and now twist it to mean mandatory monetary tithes from all income for christians who were never even required to emulate Abraham seriously beats my imagination. It must be obvious to you lot that you are just grasping at straws to justify this fraud you are perpetuating on the body of Christ since Malachi 3:10 which is based in law has been torn to shreds.

I am amazed my brother.
Now I'm beginning to understand why many will be led astray easily in the last days.
Truly, narrow is the gate.
What beats me most is the fact that it's the same way they treat other false doctrines.
They have outsourced the study and explanation of scriptures to their "MOGs". They twist scriptures and call it "rhema" or "special revs".

A minister rightly said "False teachers are a judgement to those who have rejected sound doctrines".
Many are not being deceived like we think, no, rather, out of greed and an itching ear, they have heaped up teachers who will tell them what they want to hear.

@democrazy,
Seriously, I am wondering where to start helping you from. You twisted the scriptures with so much 'probably'. Assumptions upon assumptions. Even when the scriptures are clearly given in this thread.
I cannot explain further to you, go through my previous posts. I have shown from the scriptures clearly, the purpose, forms and patterns of tithing. I like to call it the WHY, WHAT, HOW AND WHEN.
These are not my own explanations, they are clearly stated in the scriptures.
I have also created another thread with ALL scripture mention of tithe, tithes and tenth unto, do a study for yourself.
When you do, please do not read into it WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE.
I pray the Spirit of God guide you through God's word. Amen.
For mko2005, I urge you, as a true believer that you profess, to study the Bible and not some preachers explanation of the Bible.
God bless you as you give in to His word prayerfully and without preconceived interpretations.

To all, this is my prayer for you:

Ephesians 1:17-19

that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power

democrazy: Why did Paul refer to the Law in this case.

Paul quoted the portion of the law in verse 9.
But he was referring to the labourer being catered for.
Verse 11 and 12 that you quoted explains it:
"If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?"
"If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?"

I;m hoping you already know that Paul's letters was not written in verses and chapters but for the purpose of easy reference, verses and chapters were introduced.
Paul went on talking to the Church in Corinth. In verse 7 of 2 Cor 9: He showed how this giving in should be done:

"2Co 9:7 You should each give, then, as you have decided, not with regret or out of a sense of duty; for God loves the one who gives gladly. "

Like I said earlier, I believe we should take care of our pastors, and church leaders, but this should be willful contributions.
Note Paul did not tell them if they don't they CANNOT PROSPER, or that they should CONNECT TO SPECIAL GRACE for SPECIAL BREAKTHROUGH etc.
It was not a pre-requisite for them to receive God's blessing. Yes, we get blessed when we give, to our pastors, church leaders, the needy, the brethren, strangers, our siblings and parents etc.

democrazy: The words of Apostle Paul

1 Cor.9:7-13

7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[b] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? [/b]Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. [b]11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? [/b]12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

[b]But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ.

13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel.

I don't know why you quoted this but it is obviously not talking about tithing. This can be used to justify general giving and contribution.
It is right we take care of our pastors. It is very Godly to do so. Again, it should be willfully, not under compulsion. 2 Cor 9:7;
Certainly God will honour and bless us for it when we do.

Gen_17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Deu 14:27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
Deu 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deu 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

I had to take this out to make some more notes.

1. The purpose is clearly stated. PROVISION for the LEVITES and others you are to EAT YOUR TITHE WITH.
2. Tithing was not about money. Else, why would God tell you to convert your tithe to money and back to tithe of whatever animal, crop, drink you desire?
3. This was the 3rd form of tithing done, once in 3 years, in the year of tithing. How come tithe preachers don't talk about it today. Is it because it had to do with giving your tithe to the less privilege. Some have even taught that you CANNOT give your tithe to the needy, negating the scriptures in this 3rd form of tithing. If you are going to practice tithing, why not practice all forms of tithing?

Let God be true, and every and any man be a liar.

I asked for the WHY, WHAT, HOW, and WHEN. But @mko2005, you have't stated them.
The purpose, what you are suppose to tithe, the way you are to do it (forms of tithing mention in the Bible) and when does something qualify for tithe with whom are we to give.

Who did Jacob give tithe to?

[quote author=m.k.o2005]..[/quote]

The first man that ever tithed was Abraham - Genesis 14:18-20
The second man that ever tithed or vowed to tithe even after God has promised to bless him was Jacob-Genesis 28:20-22
From the two accounts,it is very very clear that the LAW never introduced tithing ! We all know that the Law itself was given after the exodus from Egypt ! Abraham tithed 640yrs before the Law and his son Jacob tithed 445yrs before the Law.

Great points you made here. let me point them out.
1. They both made a decision out of their own will, compare that with 2 Cor 9:7;
2. Abraham we are told gave tithe ONLY this time. But we are told Abraham gave offerings to God. Before Abraham, Abel and Cain did, Noah did. But n this case, Abraham gave a tenth, we are not told at other times, if it was a tenth or any orther percentage.
3. Both Abraham and Jacob received the blessing before they gave tithe.
4. Jacob vowed to give God a tithe on condition, hence it was not an obligation.
5. Note it was not a pre-requisite for blessing/breakthrough for both of them.

Who instructed these men to tithe ? May be i should leave it to you for an answer but i sure know that there were no Law except that it was written in their heart,or God must hav spoken to them to do so or out of their Love for God and to show appreciation ,they decided to do so especially Abraham,but for his son Jacob,it could be that grand pa taught him and he decided to vow tithing 'as a way to a covenant (deal) with God 'But trust God to always be faithful !
What did we see with the tithing of Abraham to Melchizedek ! It was not out of compulsion or threat but out of Love and appreciation for it was after he was blessed that he gave HIM a tenth of everything !
How about with the tithing of Jacob ?- It was also God has pronounced his blessings on Jacob that Jacob spoke about tithing ! But he did it a different way from his grand pa,Abraham. See below that God already pronounced HIS blessings that will sure come to pass becos HE IS GOD ! :

You are also right that God inspired them to give or vow to give a tenth. God also did at other times they offered sacrifices and offereings to Him. God is the one too that inspires believers to give today. If as a believer God cannot tell you to give, you have not started.
Note, God puts it in your heart, not the Pastor or the law making it a pre-requisite for blessing/breakthrough. You got this right too. Again, read 2 Cor 9:7.

Genesis 28:13-15''There above it stood the Lord, and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.''
As Jacob heard about these things,he decided to strike a deal with God by vowing to tithe ! See below :
Genesis 28:20-22''Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear so that I return safely to my father’s household, then the Lord will be my God and this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God’s house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth.”

You need to read this again and see that Jacob was actually in doubt of God’s promises to him because of his personality, a swindler/deceiver! You missed that. The blessing God gave to Jacob had no pre-requisite for it in the form of Jacob giving or tithing. Jacob was already blessed, remember? He just wasn't sure of it.

From the Above scriptures,we can see clearly that these two were never told to tithe but they did,they were never rebuked for doing so by God and they did it out of Love and concern and the perfect acknowledgement that it is God who favors one and must be appreciated any how ! I believe that apart from tithing they were equally involved in giving other kinds or praise,offering and thanks giving but still they tithed ! This is Love ! I can be lead to tithe this way but not forced or threatened to do so ! This is not law but a pre-Law tithing which is the original kind of tithing !

You missed something again. Abraham didn’t tithe as you claim, rather, he gave a tenth part of the spoil and this was WILLFULL GIVING. Read 2 Cor 9:7; Jacob on the other hand vowed a tenth part of ALL the Lord will give him. HE GAVE GOD CONDITION. This was not a tithe as you know it today but a vow. Any believer can vow to give God whatever percentage, but it MUST NOT BE UNDER COMPULSION. It is clear even in your own explanation.

Now for people who say we are not under the law and can no longer tithe,i put it to them that it was not law that introduced tithing but law towed same line but in a different way other than this seen in Genesis !
Since Law did not introduce tithing,how then are we expected to make do away with tithing that was not introduced by law ? You remember when the people said to Jesus in Mathew 19:7-8''“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.''
The above scripture takes us to how tithing changed according to the provision of the Law ! The Levetical order of tithing isn't God's original plan for tithing. God's original plan for tithing started with Abraham and not the Laws ! The Laws were commanded for a reason ! It's only a shadow of what is to come,that is back to statusquo !

Here you totally twist it.
1. Both Abraham and Jacob didn’t talk about tithing THEIR MONEY. I know we have been told that their crop, livestiock etc, was their “money”, again, that is a lie. See scripture below:

Gen_17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
Deu 14:27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
Deu 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deu 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

In referring to the 3rd form of tithing, God instructed them to change the TITHE TO MONEY, take the MONEY TO THE PLACE AND CONVERT IT BACK TO STUFFS THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO TITHE. You can't miss that
2. Money was mentioned about 101 times in the Old Testament alone, so you can’t tell me money was the right thing to tithe. Remember I asked you for the WHAT?

OOOOOPPPPPPSSSS ! Bible study please !
Will revert with the flow of tithing from pre-Law,During LAW and post Law as you requested ! And the patterns as commanded by Christ.
Thanks For giving me this opportunity to encourage the brethren who appreciate the works of God in their lives !
NOTE: We will get to see if tithing can take one to heaven or not !

Jesus Christ DID NOT COMMAND TITHING. His APOSTLES did not, so I don’t know where you got this.
I appreciate that you are studying for yourself now.
May God grant us more wisdom and desire to keep our foundations deeper in his word.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Thanks for the bolded above !
I have up to 40 mins to put up here with you guys for today and i do hope something comes out of this ! But olivertwist said i should harking unto the words of Apostle Paul regarding argument but i have a feeling that so many will learn from what i'm been lead by God to drop here regarding HIS words. And i'm not responding to anyone here trying to coerce or convince fr_evangel,goshen,kun,frosbel or even christ embassy but i know people will be liberated and tithe to God out of love for his blessings upon their lives and for the furtherance of the gospel !
Fr_evangel, what do you mean by WHERE ? Let us start with the '[b]WHER[/b]E' first ! Awaiting ur response !

God help us[/quote]Here's what I asked:

Like I asked, please explain chronologically, tithing as seen in the Bible. The purpose and pattern.
The WHY, WHAT, HOW and WHEN from the scriptures.

And please do not give "us" what you think or some special "rhema". I mean show us from the scriptures so I can confirm for myself as that's how Bible teachings are suppose to be.
Follow it exactly as I have listed, why (purpose), what (items to tithe according to the bible), how (the way it was done in the scriptures, who qualified to receive tithe), when (the timing and criteria for tithing a particular item)

ammyluv2002: Pls, can we drop this tithe issue on NL? Is getting too much biko. You guys should allow people like us who pay tithe to continue getting all the blessing from God and those who don't pay to continue being blind, datz all!

You don't have to stop tithing, that's not the purpose of this thread, it's a call to study the Bible. I don't think a Christian should have problem with that.

My purpose is not to decide for you nor teach you, but to do something that has been neglected, to call Christians BACK TO THE WORD.

I will do same for many other doctrines and principles, it's left for you, the believer to study or ignore it.

The purpose of this thread is to get Christians, whether or not you believe in the doctrine of tithe, to go back to the scripture, the Written Word, and check again, every place tithe, tithes and tenth unto, was used in the Bible.

These are just the verses, you may have to read the whole chapter, several chapters and in some cases, the whole book (e.g. Malachi), to get it into context.

It took me several months to complete the study, it might take you less or more, but please PRAYERFULLY study for yourself.
2 Tim 2:15; 2 Tim 3:16;

You may use bible.com for several translations and easy bookmarking.

I hope I didn't leave any out, If I have, please post it, so it can be added.

May God grant us understanding of His word.

Gen_14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. 

Gen_28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. 

Lev_27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD. 

Lev_27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. 

Lev_27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. 

Num_18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. 

Num_18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

Num_18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest. 

Deu_12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand: 

Deu_14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 

Deu_14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 

Deu_12:6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks: 

2Ch_31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly. 

2Ch_31:6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps. 

2Ch_31:12 And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated things faithfully: over which Cononiah the
Levite was ruler, and Shimei his brother was the next. 

Neh_10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

Neh_10:38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house. 

Neh_12:44 And at that time were some appointed over the chambers for the treasures, for the offerings, for the firstfruits, and for the tithes, to gather into them out of the fields of the cities the portions of the law for the priests and Levites: for Judah rejoiced for the priests and for the Levites that waited.

Neh_13:5 And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests.

Neh_13:12 Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries. 

Amo_4:4 Come to Bethel, and transgress; at Gilgal multiply transgression; and bring your sacrifices every morning, and your tithes after three years: 

Mal_3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me. But you say, In what have we robbed You? In the tithe and the offering!

Mal_3:10 Bring all the tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house. And test Me now with this, says Jehovah of Hosts, to see if I will not open the windows of Heaven for you, and pour out a blessing for you, until there is not enough room.

Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 

Luk_11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 

Luk_18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 

Heb_7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; 

Heb_7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Heb_7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: 

Heb_7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 

Heb_7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. 

Heb_7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. 

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Now evangel,like i said before,i have answered all the whys,hows,whens and wheres according to ur questions. But i will take my time to come back to you and do justice as you want it one after the other ! I think it will be good that way. But please permit me to just attend to something that will fetch me some cash arround make you no think say i dey pay tithe so that God go do magic for me
Reverting please ![/quote]You have not answered my questions, not even an attempt.
I actually want us to study it together. So it will be nice to get your replies when you are able.
It's okay, Wish you well.
The Grace of Our Lord Jesus be with you.

@ m.k.o2015, let me help you by making it easy.

Let's assume both of us, Believers, have a genuine desire to study God's word, we want to study tithing, we have never been taught by anyone.
This is our first attempt to study it, so let's start afresh, from the book of beginnings, Genesis.

(1 John 2:27)
But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He has taught you, abide in Him.

I'm waiting.....

[quote author=m.k.o2005]The melchizedikal order of tithing has got nothing to do with Malachi but i only quoted Malachi 3:10-11 to encourage tithers who are already tithing and believing God for open doors or window as it were If you want to learn how to tithe,study Genesis 14:18-22 and Genesis 28:20-22. Then you go listen to Jesus in Mathew 23:23 and also study (Spiritually) our beloved book of Hebrews then you will learn how to appreciate God with all you have and never wait again for you to be commanded by Moses or some Levetical modern day Priests
I bet you,you don't know the brethren i worship with but if you think it's with the brethren in Christ Embassy then you will get it all wrong cos i have not seen any of pastor Chris' pastors or him before ! I am a Christian i don't play church ! If the catholic church don't tithe,though they have started tithing since the parish where my wife worships encourages them to tithe and my wife gives it willingly from her heart without grudge to appreciate God and she tells me the enormous positive works going on in their parish ! Even if roman catholic don't tithe doctrinally, No church or man is our standard other than Jesus and the scriptures !
You said you asked me some questions and i tell you that you will find all answers to ur questions in all my write up here on this very tread but if there is another,go ahead and ask me !

God help us[/quote]It seems you jumped into the thread without following through from the early pages.

1. I am not afraid of giving, I've been a "radical giver". I still am. I used that term to lay emphasis. I am so radical about it, that I believe myself and everything I own, belong to God. Not just 10%. I like to leave it there so as not to expand the discussion beyond tithe, the subject of this thread.
2. I would be receiving tithe and special seeds by now if I still believe and preach it, so it's not about me not wanting to give.
3. I believe in support for your local church or ministry and pastors financially and otherwise, where and when necessary.
4. I have studied tithing completely, every mention of tithe, tenth, tithes etc.
5. I studied tithe while I still believed and tithed. I did after I realized I was not like the Berean church but like the end time crowd that will be misled in these last days. I studied other doctrines again as well, faith, giving, anointing, The Holy Spirit, Love, Righteousness, and many more. The only reason I did was that I had never studied them ON MY OWN.
6. I understand fully well, the message from the story and analogy of Melchizedek, because I've studied it.
7. I understand properly Matthew 23:23 and I have already answered someone who used that to back tithing. Check my previous posts.
8. I have read and understand Hebrew 7, I have explained that earlier too, check previous posts.
9. I am not looking for a command to tithe, I am asking that we be like the Berean church. Acts 17:11; It's not too much to ask a Christian.
10. I am not trying to convince you to stop tithing, I am asking you to go back to the scriptures, again, be like the Berean church, especially because of the times we are in. This is beyond tithing, it should be the same for everything you are or have been taught.
11. Testimonies of "It works, I am a living proof" is the most deceptive way to check the veracity of a doctrine. Much like your wife a catholic, probably telling you praying with rosary and before an altar built for Mary, or praying through Mary works for her. I saw a thread recently about testimonies of using the rosary in prayer. Also like a white garment church member will tell you bathing in the river at nights works, because a woman after 20 years of barrenness got a baby after the bath and some mention of the Name of Jesus.

Like I asked, please explain chronologically, tithing as seen in the Bible. The purpose and pattern.
The WHY, WHAT, HOW and WHEN from the scriptures.

[quote author=m.k.o2005]Let me conclude as i await to answer positive questions in relation to this subject or scripture as it were.
Tithe is not our but God's
He writes it in our heart
He expects it from us
It is commissioned before the law
Commanded during the law
Commended during the time of Jesus !

See below the promises of the lord concerning us when we tithe :
''I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in! Try it! Put me to the test! Your crops will be abundant, for I will guard them from insects and disease. Your grapes will not fall from the vine before they are ripe,” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies.''
But only the spiritually connected will see how all the blessings relates to us that are mariners,doctors,bizness men,bankers and the likes today !
Tithing blesses both the church and the tither !

Remember,The letter(logos)killeth but the rhema (revelation)giveth life !

God bless us[/quote]With this your last post, I can most likely tell the ministry you fellowship with.
You sound like someone who do not study the Bible but listen to some preacher (I have one in mind) as your primary source of "rhema" you speak of. I'll appreciate if I'm proved wrong and corrected.
How does a Christian say this?

Tithe is not our but God's
He writes it in our heart
He expects it from us
It is commissioned before the law
Commanded during the law
Commended during the time of Jesus !

I asked questions already, you ignored it, and then ask people to as questions?
The fact that you quote Malachi as the blessings tied to tithing shows you are not ready to learn?

Let me add to my previous questions...

Have you actually studied the WHOLE BOOK of Malachi?
Do you know the purpose and message of the entire book of Malachi?
Why lift Malachi 3:8-10 and use it alone, when the entire book is from the same Prophet to the same people, under the same Spirit for the same purpose?

I need answers from the scriptures so I can check it out myself like the Berean church.

@ m.k.o2005, I'm sure you saw my post because you replied christemmbassey who quoted me.
Can you please provide answers? I will really appreciate, it will clear many doubts if you can, don't you think so?

@ m.k.o2005, you don't sound like someone who opens the Bible at all.

With all the many scriptures given and an explanation of Hebrew 7 given on this thread, you are still using it to back tithing.

Is it that you are afraid to study or that you are deliberately trying to twist the scriptures, probably for personal gains?
Do you think every one here who does not believe in tithe is about not wanting to let go of the money?
Don't you understand that some would be collecting tithe themselves as pastors and probably ministry leaders?

Pray tell, have you studied the Bible, searched out every use of tithe, tithes, tenth mentioned from Genesis to Revelation yet?
If you have, can you share chronologically from Genesis through to the last mention in the Bible, highlighting the why, what, how, when?
The purpose and pattern it should be done, establishing it as is in the scriptures and not some "revelation" of yours or whatever message you have listened to?
I would like you to also tell the different forms/types of tithing showing us clearly from the scriptures. Or is tithing just generally giving 10% of your money (Salary/Interest as is mostly done today)?

I await your reply.

NB: @ Olivertwist, you may do the same if you wish.

For those who ignore the call to study the Bible for themselves and for those who keeps saying it works so it must be from God, here the words of the Spirit through Paul for the last days:

2Ti 4:2 preach the Word, be instant in season and out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long-suffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For a time will be when they will not endure sound doctrine, but they will heap up teachers to themselves according to their own lusts, tickling the ear.
2Ti 4:4 And they will turn away their ears from the truth and will be turned to myths.
2Ti 4:5 But you watch in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fully carry out your ministry.

Though it sounds simplistic, this is a very good question one needs to never forget.

1st Corinthians 9
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Elliotwiz1: when you read the word of God, you dont read it like any other book, the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life, for you to understand the true word of God, you must read it and pray for the interpretation from the holy spirit else You'll end up bringing up devilish and rebellious doctrines.

Yeah, like you brought out tithing?

One other thing I've noticed is that, some believers are not only lazy, they have outsourced the study of the word of God to their "MOG".

These same MOG's have taught them that those who study for themselves and act like the Berean church are, false and rebellious.
Like someone said already, when I stopped tithing, I actually had to deal with the fear of not tithing that was inculcated into me for many years.
I can remember being on a journey, and I would be afraid of accident just because I don't tithe etc.
That fear made my faith stronger as it was proof the teaching is of the devil.

Those who just jump into the thread, should please take time to go through and cross check every scripture given in context.
BE LIKE THE BEREAN CHURCH, THAT'S ALL WE ARE ASKING. And that's not too much to ask a Christian.

Acts 17
11 The people there were more open-minded than the people in Thessalonica. They listened to the message with great eagerness, and every day they studied the Scriptures to see if what Paul said was really true.

They keep calling those who call them to the scripture, false teachers, and those who draw them away from the scripture, MOGs.

Surely the great deception has begun. When men will exalt the words of other men above the written Word.

Elliotwiz1: hmmm i never quote verses on my own if you haven't read about it in the ten years of your ministry, just ask "matt16-18 and i tell you, you are peter(cephas,meaning stone), and on this rock i will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it...yes i do quote bible passages without telling you the chapter, but as a christian i expected you to know them since you studied the bible for ten years

Elliotwiz1: have you heard of the word back-sliding? Go and check those classified as back sliders...rebellion in the house of God is not tolerated....you've been quoting so many verses, but You've never quoted a verse that says "THOU SHALL NOT PAY TITHES" i will continue paying my tithes until i see a verse that tells me not to pay it.

Please go on paying tithe, or maybe, collecting tithe.
You are looking for a passage to tell you "Thou shall not pay tithe"?
Please go study your bible, you haven't at all. You probably one of those who study their pastors books and messages, using the bible to back it up.
Study the bible ALONE, I repeat, ALONE, it doesn't need your preachers and pastors backing. Reading books is not bad though, but using them to learn the bible is dangerous. If you have the Holy Spirit, you have the Teacher and Revealer of the Word and Mind of God.

1Jn 2:20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true and no lie, and as He has taught you, abide in Him.

You don't even need me to teach you either. All I'm asking you is to go back to your bible and study for yourself with the help of the Holy Spirit not your pastors books, messages or explanation.

@Goshen360,

Hebrew 7 and the annulment is a broad discussion and deserves a separate thread.

However, even when you succeed in explaining that to tithe preachers, they will come back to tell you Abraham Tithed and so Tithing was revealed before the Law.

@Elliotwiz1,
I am not surprised the way you discuss God's word.
One thing I would advice, take your bible, the same one you have used all these while.
Start from Genesis, read every situation tithe was mentioned.
1. Read it as though you have not heard about it before, not with preconceived understanding.
2. Use other passages as your reference, not your or some pastor's book or teaching.
3. Make notes of your observations, not what you have been told.
When you have done that, come share with us. It is obvious you haven't studied your bible.

Elliotwiz1: There's a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end is des.............

You don't seem to get it. You are the one not speaking from scriptures here. All and more of what you are saying here I preached out of ignorance for 10 years!
The only thing that helped me is that I had a passion for the right and studied for myself. At first, I was afraid to ask questions but then I overcame the fear as I was not after personal gains. In short, I was running from personal gains.
It was easier to accept some of these false teachings as I would "profit" greatly from them. I chose to stay with the scriptures rather.