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Sermwell:
you are here ranting about earthquake in China. what of hundreds of Nigerians killed daily by Boko Haram, Fulani herdsmen, armed bandits, bad roads etc.??

it's the prayers that prevent earthquakes. Indonesians don't pray at all, that's why they always witness earthquakes and tsunamis

mvem:
There is a direct correlation between being very religious and development...many won't agree but it is fact ...why is western Europeans less religious but more humane ....I told someone that if Nigeria is too develop with employment, infrastructures, security etc....people won't see the need to pray and to be religiously observant, that's similar to western nations....am not judging anything or saying anything about worship...am just emphasizing that there is a direct relationship between development and religion ....moreover Nigeria is one of the most religious nations in the world but has the highest rate of corruption, violence, poverty etc....all this people that make up the country are still the ones going to churches and mosques and praying fervently but still doing the usual ....

Most of the things people pray for can be gotten easily in the west. People pray for prosperity, employment, healing (good health), security, visa etc. If Nigeria can solve these problems, the number of people that'll still be going to church will rapidly reduce.

frowland:
Yea!! Its easy to digest when you are reading it as a story. Then close your eyes and imagine what they were doing; then you will realise the blood thirsty massacre going on then. Will you tell me there was no pregnant women then? Bebies, nursing mothers etc etc? Same people shout to high heavens when heardsmen and Bokoboys are ransacking villages in the name of their god. Double standard.

If the stories were true at all, I'll say those guys just wanted to eliminate their enemies, it was a personal mission. No god was responsible for such. They just use the name of God as a cover.

frowland:
So how did you interpret what was in his mind? Look, one thing I know from your likes is that, you guys always riggle your way out of the impossible.
I have keenly followed what ISIS and Boko boys, herdsmen, and their likes are doing and I don't see any difference between them and Joshua, Soul, etc etc in the bible. They all killed women, children, animals, etc etc in the name of their god. Invading villages and wiping them out of existence. Infact, in some instances, god was offended because they spared animals and women or took valuables. Of course, you guys will still come up with a defense. We've come a long way.

God was angry because Saul didn't kill them all in Amalek. Moses was angry that the soldiers spared the women and children of Midian. Moses told them to kill the women and boys but keep the young girls for themselves. I can't just wrap my mind around these stories in the bible.

OpenYourEyes1:
The Bible says nothing about marine animals but I guess GOD preserved few in small parts of the oceans and other water bodies.

there's no way any marine life could've survived such amount of water.

chiedu7:
Did Jesus own slaves?

did Jesus own anything? he was poor so he couldn't have owned slaves. You can't use slavery to criticise islam when the same thing was practised in the bible without being condemned by anybody.

The bible didn't condemn slavery.

9inches:
I am waiting for your explanation as it relates to this verse.

Chai, haven't I explained or you don't just care about people's response?
Ok, let me help you remove the verses so you can read together as a whole and understand.

Matthew 10:34-38 KJV
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

I expect you to understand now, Read everything together.

If you still don't understand, read this commentary

Our Lord warned his disciples to prepare for persecution. They were to avoid all things which gave advantage to their enemies, all meddling with worldly or political concerns, all appearance of evil or selfishness, and all underhand measures. Christ foretold troubles, not only that the troubles might not be a surprise, but that they might confirm their faith. He tells them what they should suffer, and from whom. Thus Christ has dealt fairly and faithfully with us, in telling us the worst we can meet with in his service; and he would have us deal so with ourselves, in sitting down and counting the cost. Persecutors are worse than beasts, in that they prey upon those of their own kind. The strongest bonds of love and duty, have often been broken through from enmity against Christ. Sufferings from friends and relations are very grievous; nothing cuts more. It appears plainly, that all who will live godly in Christ Jesus must suffer persecution; and we must expect to enter into the kingdom of God through many tribulations. With these predictions of trouble, are counsels and comforts for a time of trial. The disciples of Christ are hated and persecuted as serpents, and their ruin is sought, and they need the serpent's wisdom. Be ye harmless as doves. Not only, do nobody any hurt, but bear nobody any ill-will. Prudent care there must be, but not an anxious, perplexing thought; let this care be cast upon God. The disciples of Christ must think more how to do well, than how to speak well. In case of great peril, the disciples of Christ may go out of the way of danger, though they must not go out of the way of duty. No sinful, unlawful means may be used to escape; for then it is not a door of God's opening. The fear of man brings a snare, a perplexing snare, that disturbs our peace; an entangling snare, by which we are drawn into sin; and, therefore, it must be striven and prayed against. Tribulation, distress, and persecution cannot take away God's love to them, or theirs to him. Fear Him, who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. They must deliver their message publicly, for all are deeply concerned in the doctrine of the gospel. The whole counsel of God must be made known, Ac 20:27. Christ shows them why they should be of good cheer. Their sufferings witnessed against those who oppose his gospel. When God calls us to speak for him, we may depend on him to teach us what to say. A believing prospect of the end of our troubles, will be of great use to support us under them. They may be borne to the end, because the sufferers shall be borne up under them. The strength shall be according to the day. And it is great encouragement to those who are doing Christ's work, that it is a work which shall certainly be done. See how the care of Providence extends to all creatures, even to the sparrows. This should silence all the fears of God's people; Ye are of more value than many sparrows. And the very hairs of your head are all numbered. This denotes the account God takes and keeps of his people. It is our duty, not only to believe in Christ, but to profess that faith, in suffering for him, when we are called to it, as well as in serving him. That denial of Christ only is here meant which is persisted in, and that confession only can have the blessed recompence here promised, which is the real and constant language of faith and love. Religion is worth every thing; all who believe the truth of it, will come up to the price, and make every thing else yield to it. Christ will lead us through sufferings, to glory with him. Those are best prepared for the life to come, that sit most loose to this present life. Though the kindness done to Christ's disciples be ever so small, yet if there be occasion for it, and ability to do no more, it shall be accepted. Christ does not say that they deserve a reward; for we cannot merit any thing from the hand of God; but they shall receive a reward from the free gift of God. Let us boldly confess Christ, and show love to him in all things.

9inches:
What are you saying now that you know that he is that same God?

Sarcasm is lost on you.

This is how it feels discussing with you.

someone should arrange beating for this bobrisky.

OtemAtum:
chariots in 2019 of high tech? Yahweh and Jesus must be learners.

Yahweh is behind, he's still using 25A.D technology. I bet if John had written the book of revelation in this 21st century, he would've mentioned drones and nuclear weapons instead of chariots and dragons.

9inches:
You haven't explained Matthew 10:34

See the person that talked about cherry picking. Why did you pick out Matthew 10:34? Was the whole passage not together? when you read verse 34, you don't stop there, Jesus explained what he meant in the post-text of the verse. The books were not originally written in chapters and verses, men put chapters and verses. Jesus explained what he meant in verses 35 downwards. If it's too hard for you to understand, read Luke 12:51.

Luke 12:51 KJV
Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

9inches:
I brought it up because of this:

Would it shock you to know that Jesus Christ is God?

Hahaha, yeah the Jesus character is the same as God of Moses and Elijah, he just happened to forget how to slaughter children in their sleep or how to destroy a whole generation for the sin of their fathers.

this story has been around since 2014 or so, it is fake.

Magnifico2000:
Which character's death do u enjoy so much?

1. Tywin Lannister
2. Jeoffrey baratheon
3. Ramsey Bolton
4. Roose Bolton
5. Balon Greyjoy
6. Allison Thorne

MODIFIED: RAMSEY

Favbolu:
Wentin 9ja dey find for sri Lanka

and they'll tell their people back home they've travelled abroad.

geezyk:
Na pictures my man dey look

you are wicked, lol.

geezyk:
Bro are you sure we're currently watching the same show? or you're watching alaba GOT.

hehehe, I was confused when I read that too.

RobinHez:
I mean, in the build up to the war, they all agreed to lure the night king to where Bran was so they could take him out... But i didn't see any strategy to that effect. Every of the leading fighters and their team seemed concentrated on the walls...
I know Theon and his team was to defend, but i was hoping there'd be an ambushment sort of.. Lying in wait for the NK.

they only talked about bringing him to the open, the didn't give the details. Probably to kill him with dragonfire, but that didn't work.

RobinHez:
Seriously, What was Jon Snow's exact plan to kill the Night King?

he has killed a white walker before with that his sword.

shogz89:
you guyz cannot be satisfied, you criticized Sam for being a coward and should have stayed in the crypts which could have avoided edd's death and still call sanza dump for going to the crypts and not fighting

if Sam had stayed in the crypts, they'll still talk about his uselessness.

GMan650:
Are you in a hurry?

no, I just think there may be more

is this the end of the fight with the dead? what about the trailer that showed Jon, Sansa and Arya in the crypt with their already erected statues?

9inches:
Please explain this: "Matthew 10:34-39 "Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
37Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me; 38and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

I just explained it to you. When you follow Jesus, men will "hate" you. This was immediately after Jesus sent his disciples into the world to preach. That's one of the "disadvantages" of being a Christian. Paul at a time was narrating his ordeals to Timothy and he mentioned how everyone had deserted him.

My former pastor started his ministry when he was a teen. He used to go for crusade and vigil. His parents didn't like the idea that he was using his youth to serve Jesus, they thought he was going to waste his life while others were serious with their life. It got to a time his mother wanted to disown him.

Another example, I had a friend in the university, he was the vice president of his fellowship. His parents didn't like the idea because they felt the fellowship was taking away their son. Because the guy stopped going home during the weekend and he had to put more Time into fellowship work. It caused a disagreement between the family and the fellowship. The guy had to resign and leave the fellowship at the end.
That's what that passage is talking about.

Why did you bring up this passage? I don't understand. You genuinely didn't know what it meant or you want to hear what I'll say?

9inches:
Matthew 10:34-39 "Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
37Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me; 38and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.

Matthew 5:17-20, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

Uh oh.. seems like even Jesus too wasn't all nice and cuddly as you're trying to portray. Now, this will make you reevaluate Jesus and Paul

Welcome to bible cherry picking!

I thought only your philosophy is wack, your text comprehension is worse. Are you feigning ignorance or you naturally reason like this?

are those bible passages supposed to equate sweet loving Jesus with the blood loving despot described by Moses or Elijah?

I can totally see where Jesus ordered his disciples to kill and burn down the people that opposed him or where Paul ordered his followers to retaliate and punish those that opposed him, imprison him and stoned him. I forgot to mention how Stephen called bears on the people that were stoning him. I said you should use your head. Religion is blocking your reasoning. How many people died in the hands of Moses compared to the people that died in the hands of Paul?

Aren't you supposed to love your Lord more than anyone else? or can you love someone else more than your Lord and savior? What do you expect when your family and circle of friends are ogun, sango or Allah worshippers but you're the only Christian? You'll be on good terms and on the same page? What do you think happened to Paul when the Jews learnt he's converted to Christianity? They hated him and some even wanted to kill him. That's what those verses in the first passage were talking about. I don't know what the second passage has to do with this discussion. If you still don't understand, you can just repeat your usual platitudes.

this one weak me

so Sis Margaret na scam? my folks must hear this

are you sure that guy wasn't high?

ecclize:
Just as there is a link between sex and death... There is also a link between sex and life...

without sex, there's no life

Isomerizm:
How was Tywin a hypocrite?

He once told his son that “when soldiers lack discipline, the fault lies with their lord commander” . But when his men went wayward and raping women about, he blamed the death and rape of Rhaegar’s wife and children on everyone but himself

Ordered the specific execution of Rhaegar’s children;
Orders the murder of two babies at the hands of two brutes but has the nerve to act shocked by the manner in which it was done. He tries to act like their mother, Elia never even crossed his mind- crown princess, a princess of Dorne- like she wouldn't obviously BE WITH her infant children in the place they were held hostage. Balks at the notion of ordering her rape... to the son whose lover he had raped by half his guardsmen, before making him rape her himself (this part wasnt in the show but it was referenced).

He orchestrated the red wedding and at the end tried to blame Frey and excuse himself from it.

This was the conversation between him and Tyrion.

“Was it a soft silk pillow that slew Robb Stark?”
“It was to be an arrow, at Edmure Tully’s wedding feast. The boy was too wary in the field. He kept his men in good order, and surrounded himself with outriders and bodyguards.”
“So Lord Walder slew him under his own roof, at his own table?” Tyrion made a fist. “What of Lady Catelyn?”
“Slain as well, I’d say. A pair of wolfskins. Frey had intended to keep her captive, but perhaps something went awry.”
“So much for guest right.”
“The blood is on Walder Frey’s hands, not mine.”

The guy blamed everyone else but himself. That's hypocrisy.

especially first born

raumdeuter:
How much in check did he keep Joffrey? Did that stop Joffrey from humiliating Sansa and Tyrion in his presence? When Joffrey was running wild on his name day, was Tywin not just looking on?

He was there while Joffrey turned Tyrion a Lannister into his plaything at his nameday celebration, brought out a crew of dwarfs to mock his uncle, ordered Tyrion to wear costumes and join them, told Tyrion to become his wine carrier, even when Tyrion wanted to leave, he told him to stay. What was the head of the Lannister family doing? Sitting there watching as his own son was getting humiliated, Olenna and every adult there expected Tywin to act but he didn't, Majorie the queen tried to distract by cutting cake.
Then to sentence his own son to death for a crime he did not commit and he knew as well


When the mountain was sacking villages and raiding them before they came to report to Ned, what was Tywin doing? Turning the blind eye.
Let us not forget Tywin ordering the Mountain to kill and slice into half Elia Martell

That battle Tyrion was the most important man, If Tyrion did not act, Stannis wll sack the city before Tywin came to take the glory

So what was actually admirable about Tywin? Who watched tyranny of Joffrey and did nothing, Sentenced his own son to death for an offence he knew nothing about, hijacked his sons LovePeddler, the same thing he condemned him for, ordered the assassination of Elia Martel

Tywin, a big hypocrite is better than Jon Snow, a loyal and honorable man

9inches:
You could rephrase your questions if you are serious for dialogue or serious argument. The reason I stick to the philosophy of God's existence is to exclude people like you who lacks the wherewithal to tackle philosophical questions. I won't waste my time with you if you are not serious in your argument.

Your philosophy is wack. You could've avoided all these balderdash by saying The old prophets were either lying or they didn't know what they were saying. When you started asking if killing children was evil or not, it makes you sound like a criminally insane individual. If Jesus or Paul had heard you say that, I'm sure they'll have rebuked you and called you the devil. Jesus said be perfect as your heavenly father in heaven, Paul said imitate God as dear children. Could these guys be talking about the same God Moses or Samuel described? Jesus literally used little children as an example of people going to heaven.

Matthew 18:10 KJV
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Does it make sense to you that the same God Jesus talked about was the same guy that ordered the killings of children in the old testament? Can't you see the conflict? If you are to follow the instructions of Jesus and Paul concerning imitating God, you should be going around killing people of other religion and stoning homosexual to death. It'll never make sense for you to defend the God of the old testament.
When John and James wanted Jesus to call down fire on people as Elijah did in Luke 9, Jesus literally rebuked them and called the act evil. He didn't try to defend the act of Elijah with any bullsh!t philosophy.

I repeat, your best bet is to say the prophets were lying, forget your philosophy.

kay9:
Jon Snow? Not me. Jon Snow inspires loyalty, no doubt, but so did Robb Stark - even grandfathers seasoned in war and lordship followed the Young Wolf. And what did he do? Let his honour and emotions take over his head. Exactly same as Jon Snow.

I will rather have a mixture of Tywin Lannister and Ned Stark. At least Ned's only weakness was his honour, he never let his emotions overrule his reasoning.

you guys call honor and loyalty a weakness? what has this world turned into?