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[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=129835833] The only punishment God said evildoers will get is DEATH because He has nothing in mind for or against evildoers so at death they have paid fully for their sins {Romans 6:7} the wages of sin is DEATH! Romans 6:23My dear friend, if the death the Bible was talking about is physical death, then what's the essence of the Gospel? Let's do all the evil we can do in this world, then tomorrow we die. No judgement, no retribution. So what exactly am I being saved from when I can die without resurrecting to judgement? Why do I need salvation? Then you make the scriptures a liar when the scriptures say: [b]"Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment." Hebrews 9:27 You also nullify the import of Jesus' parable of the Rich man and Lazarus. I have asked you, what fire did Jude say we should save people from? And tell me please, what you think about the following scripture: Revelation 20:12-15 " And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before God: and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book [z]of life, and the dead were judged of those things, which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death, and hell were cast into the lake of fire: this is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the lake of fire" My own God has no plans for evildoers when they die they've been forgotten forever in their graves! Psalms 9:17Then what's your God saving people from? Who cares about a new earth of peace when he can enjoy this world as he pleases and then sleep forever? But since you're so much engulfed in this your HELLFIRE DOCTRINES you can continue preaching it to anyone who wish to listen we have what we call the GOOD NEWS of God's kingdom!Then please tell me what fire Jude said we should save people from as I have asked previously. Kindly explain Revelation 20:12-15 above. Kindly explain Jesus' parable of the Rich man and Lazarus. Please do you think the Lord Jesus was lying when He said the following: Mathew 13: 37-43 "Then answered he, and said to them, He that soweth the good seed, is the son of man, And the field is the world, and the good seed are the children of the kingdom, and the tares are the children of that wicked one. And the enemy that soweth them, is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers be the Angels. As then the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his Angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity, And shall cast them into a furnace of fire. There shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the just men shine as the sun in the kingdom of their father. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." |
Aemmyjah:Yes. I'm in full support of the OP. Do you have any problems with that? |
Aemmyjah:Hell is different from Hades. |
Aemmyjah:This is clearly not hell but Sheol. The place of dead souls. |
[quote author=Aemmyjah post=129834529][/quote]All the scriptures you quoted are about Jesus. Please give me references to the places where Job and Jacob prayed to go to hell only. |
Aemmyjah:Judgement comes at the time of the end which God has in His mind. Daniel 11:27 "...for yet the end shall be at the time appointed." |
MaxInDHouse:Please don't distort the the Bible. Victory over wars, sicknesses and other evils in the world is part of the package of salvation but not the complete package. The Bible is not about what people have been hearing but what God has in plan for both the righteous and the wicked. The Gospel is about the TRUTH and the Good News. The Truth is that all wicked souls shall perish . That's the bad news. Another truth is that all wicked who come to Christ shall be saved. That's the Good News. Jude 1:21-23 says: "Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And of some have compassion, making a difference: And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh." By telling the people the dangers of their sinful ways and telling them the Good News of Christ's salvation, we pull them out of the fire. What fire do you think this scripture above was talking about? Please humble yourself before the Word of God, and stop spreading heresies. Teach the complete Word of God. Not half truths. |
MaxInDHouse:My friend, whether they heard it or not, judgement already awaited the wicked. This their consciences know quite well. |
MaxInDHouse:I have told you the bad news as written in the scriptures in Psalm 9:17. |
Aemmyjah:Please provide the scriptures references for where Jacob and Job prayed to go to hell. I'll respond regarding Jesus going to hell too after receiving your mention. |
MaxInDHouse:My friend, the news they're hearing before are bad. The Bible talks about the bad and the good. There can be no good in the absence of bad. My friend, if the verse in Psalm 9:17 refers only to the grave, how logical does that verse now sound to you? Everyone, both righteous and wicked go to the grave but not everyone goes to hell. Only the wicked does. That's why the scriptures say: "The wicked shall be cast to hell." If hell means grave, what's the point of saying the wicked shall be cast into the grave. Are righteous people buried in the sky? |
Lucifyre:Maybe you don't understand what I meant. Every myth started as an oral tradition until it metamorphoses into a myth with varying degrees of distortions. If history is written down, it will never become a myth even in the next 10 million years. That cannot be said of oral history. If bones have not been found today, who says they won't be found tomorrow? Have archeologists uncovered all there is to be unconvered in the earth? Secondly it seems the sacarsm of my previous comment flew over or maybe some comprehension issues even after reading the post ergo ill break it downl. Simple question was Noah Sumerian? Yes or No?! Cause those other flood stories mentioned there came about from the oldest civilization that existed thousands of years before your isrealites. Those stories were documented thousands of years before the compilation of the Tanakh.Noah preceded the Sumerians, so how can he be Sumerian? Or do you think the biblical accounts were compiled at the same time the flood events took place? If the stories have been 'documented' as you claimed before the Tanakh was written, what makes you disbelieve the story? The absence of bones? like i said nothing more than a succesive iteration of the myth from their fellow older mesopotaminan neighbours before them. And it'll always be a myth beacuse there'll never be sources to back it up. Unlike these various flood myths, we have various fact based evidence for things we weren't there for like, the formation of continents, glacial periods and ice age, speration of the continents, explosions of volcanoes and even some from oral history like oral accounts of native American tribe migrations supported by hard evidence. Of course unlike a global catastrophic flood without even a shred of geological or archaeological evidence for something of that magnitude.What type of evidence do you need for the flood? You want to see ancient waters that flooded the earth? Or you want to see ancient bone fossils that are in the earth? How are you to differentiate a fossil from the flood catastrophe to a non-flood fossil? And I ask you again? How old is archeology? Have they finished exploring the whole world? And lastly the fact that similar motifs with differing accounts never serves as proof for said motif. Does the fact we have a motifs across different cultures that say the world was created from Chaos mean its true?! The dragon slayer motif across different cultures means dragons exist?! The fact that we have stories from different cultures about the journies to the underworld means it exists and u go and return?! Come on! The ironic thing been even the point of the flood was defeated.All the myths you mentioned prove something happened. It may not be as exactly as they described it, but there's something that happened. And who told you a dragon never existed? You might be long gone before science finds evidence for that. Many things science claimed in the past have been reviewed in the face of new findings. If different cultures say the world was created from chaos, it only shows the thinking of the ancients about the origin of the world. What's the difference between the Big bang theory and the Chaos myth? What the ancients call chaos, science calls it big bang. When myths are found in different cultures with similar lines of narration, there's one truth to it all even though the accounts may conflict. A flood happened, and different cultures try to narrate it in different ways. |
Courz:Hmm. The Lord will help us. |
Courz:Okay bro. It's explainable. Satan and demons have not yet been judged. There's still a lake of fire into which hell itself would be cast. That may be the eternal fire Jesus was talking about. The lake of fire is the final judgement. Not hell. Revelation 20:13-14 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." |
MaxInDHouse:If that's what Satan has told you in order to make you happy and seal you away from obvious reality, then I pity your soul. There's bad news for the whole world. The bad news is that: Psalm 9:17 "The wicked shall be turned into hell, And all the nations that forget God." Unfortunately, everyone is wicked by virtue of the adamic nature. So, John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son." There can never be Good News if there's no preexisting bad news. It is when a better condition appears after suffering as a result of a previous bad condition that we talk of Good News. The bad condition is that everyone is condemned to hell because of wickedness. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. The Good News is that whoever believes in Christ Jesus is not condemned. He is removed from condemnation to justification. John 5:24 "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life." That's the Good News. That's the Gospel. Romans 5:1 "Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," |
Courz:No bro. Demons don't torture people in hell. Hell itself is a place of Judgement for Satan and his demons: Mathew 25:41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." Every other things you said up there is 100% correct. The NDE is an afterlife experience that should tell any sensible person that there's life after death. But you see, Satan is a master of his craft. He has given them some defective logic to scientifically explain the experience away. We'll keep sounding the warning. He who has an ear, let him hear. |
Lucifyre:How do you want to get historical valid sources for things that happened ever before Writing was invented? Are you kidding me? We call it myth only because it is delivered through oral tradition. After thousands of years, historical facts delivered through oral traditions would be regarded as myths. If for instance you yourself never wrote a book, and you depart this world without anything written about you. Someday, your existent would be regarded as a myth. The fact that many ancient cultures hold this myth in their tradition is evidence that something like that took place. It happened. The striking similarities between the narrations also prove it happened as these stories are not told by people who sat down at the same table to formulate the same myth. |
Courz:In their foolish display of stubbornness amidst crass ignorance, they even think they know everything about this life, and the life after death. Can you imagine that a full blown man who calls himself an atheist is there thinking that hell fire is a mythical place where fire burns people while Satan torments them? When I hear adults talking about Satan tormenting people in hell, I just shake my head. Most of them didn't grow their knowledge of these things more than what was put into their heads as infants. They have very childish notions of God and the afterlife. There's a lot of distorted notions of hell out there. I'll like to ask the JWs why anyone should fear sin and not enjoy a selfish disposition in life where you can hurt others to make yourself comfortable. Just do anything to be comfortable in this world since there's no punishment for sins. No hell, no punishment. Let us live our lives the way we choose. Or why should anyone fear to employ any means to enjoy himself since there'll be no judgement? That doctrine is absolutely satanic. Or, perhaps they have some other forms of punishment or judgement they believe God gives to sinners apart from hell. I'll like to hear it. |
Lucifyre:Here are 10 flood stories from history, myth, and folklore, along with their valid sources. I'm posting just 10 out of numerous available sources. 1. Mesopotamian Flood Myths - Epic of Gilgamesh: As you have mentioned earlier, this ancient Mesopotamian epic contains a flood story. The flood narrative can be found in Tablet XI of the Epic of Gilgamesh. - Atrahasis Epic: This Babylonian myth also includes a flood story. The flood narrative can be found in Tablet III of the Atrahasis Epic. 2. Greek Mythology: - Deucalion and Pyrrha: This flood myth is recounted in Ovid's Metamorphoses, specifically in Book I. - Hyginus's Fabulae: Hyginus, a Latin author, also includes a version of the flood myth in his work Fabulae, particularly in Fabula 153. 3. Chinese Mythology: - Classic of Mountains and Seas (Shan Hai Jing): This ancient Chinese text contains the story of the Great Flood. References to the flood myth can be found in various sections of the Classic of Mountains and Seas. - Chronicles of Huayang: This historical text from ancient China also mentions the Great Flood. 4. Native American Flood Myths: - Hopi Flood Myth: This myth is part of the oral tradition of the Hopi people. It has been documented in various anthropological and ethnographic studies of Native American cultures. - Navajo Flood Story: The Navajo people also have a flood story known as the Emergence or Glittering World story, which describes a cataclysmic flood and the survival of humans and animals. 5. Sumerian Mythology: - Eridu Genesis: This Sumerian myth includes a flood story and can be found in various Sumerian literary texts. The flood narrative is part of the wider Eridu Genesis narrative. 6. Indian Mythology: - Matsya Purana: The Matsya Purana, one of the eighteen major Puranas in Hinduism, contains a flood story involving the god Vishnu taking the form of a fish to save Manu and various creatures. 7. [b[Egyptian Mythology:[/b] - The Book of the Heavenly Cow: This ancient Egyptian text contains a flood myth involving the destruction of humanity by the sun god Ra and the subsequent rebirth of the world. 8. Norse Mythology: - Gylfaginning (Prose Edda): In Norse mythology, there is a story about a great flood called the Fimbulwinter, which is described in the Prose Edda attributed to Snorri Sturluson. 9. Polynesian Mythology: - Te Punga-o-Nuku (Maori Mythology): Maori mythology includes a flood story known as Te Punga-o-Nuku, where a man named Tāwhaki saves himself and his family from a deluge. 10. Japanese Mythology: - Kojiki and Nihon Shoki: These ancient Japanese texts contain references to a mythological flood known as the Age of the Gods flood, which plays a significant role in the creation and history of Japan. These sources provide a diverse range of flood myths from various cultures, showcasing common themes of cataclysmic floods, survival on boats or arks, divine intervention, and the renewal of life after the flood. |
MaxInDHouse:The salvation from hellfire is the Good News. There's no other news 'gooder' than that. |
Courz:My brother, Jesus has told us how they would respond to such testimonies. In the same rich man and Lazarus story you shared, the rich man had pleaded with father Abraham to help send Lazarus into the world to notify his brethren in the world about the reality of hell, "so that they would not come to this place." The Lord Jesus in wisdom responded: Luke 16:31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead' And that's exactly what is happening whenever people share their NDEs. The Word of the Lord Jesus is the TRUTH. |
22jumpstreet:Verse 10 says: "Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand." 1. In what way did the Lord bruise him and put him to grief because of the sins of others? 2. In what way did the Lord make Israel's soul an offering for sin? Verse 11 says: "He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." 1. In what way can Israel be called His righteous servant? 2, What power does Israel have to justify many? 3, Whose iniquities is Israel bearing or shall bear? Now, consider the preceding verse 6 6 All we(Israelites) like sheep have gone astray; we(The Israelites) have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him(Someone else- the Messaiah) the iniquity of us all. How do you reconcile verse 6 with verses 10 and 11? |
The similarities further confirms the truth of the Bible. There were 3 brothers in their ark. All three would share their stories with their children. The story would spread from each child to several generations. Different versions of the stories would arise with the passage of time since it is being passed down by oral tradition. But the bottom-line of the story will remain true - that there was once a flood that erased the whole world. While satan has infused the story with lies by telling the human race that a god destroyed the earth with a flood because men made too much noise, the Bible made it clear that God Almighty destroyed the earth with a flood because of sin and wickedness. Satan does not want to discourage anyone from sinning and doing wickedness, so you can expect him to lead people astray and tell them the flood happened because of some noise while he also tells some others that there was never a flood. If the flood story was only found in the Bible without having any extra biblical counterpart, we might have reasons to question the Biblical narration. This is because, the Bible alone cannot be the only source of information for an event that was witnessed by the whole world. It is a lack of sound judgement for anyone to disparage the Biblical account just because it is found in other myths. The myths further confirm the Biblical narrative. They do not negate it in anyway. |
Antilslaam:Don't be surprised. AbuTwins is same as AntiChristian. Both monikers belong to the same person. |
We would keep warning muslims, atheists, JWs, idol worshippers, witches, cultists and all sinners everywhere under the sun who reject the good news of salvation. If they like they should keep saying we are liars. The end will tell, but it would never be said of them that they didn't have the opportunity to hear the gospel. |
kingxsamz:Oh, if that makes you feel honoured, it's all good. |
kingxsamz:Lol. I don't argue to claim any victory but to show facts. So, that's not the point. But you started with insults and continued with insults which I find very appalling. Under normal circumstances I ignore uncivil mentions, I just decided to follow through with you. Next time when you engage in a discussion on a faceless forum, learn to maintain mutual respect with everyone, no matter whom they may be. You never know who's behind the chats. |
kingxsamz:If you're intelligent enough you'll see that there was no copy paste but using your own words to expose your own folly. I've had several fruitful and civil discussions with many atheists here. Sometimes they tag me in their posts and we discuss mature topics together. You're the least intelligent of all atheists I have ever met on Nairaland. Yet, you boast in your own folly. |
kingxsamz:It's a sign of defeat. It happens when its more than what you can handle. |
kingxsamz:Lol, I'm still very much ready to punch your dull brain unintelligent, one way traffic and mediocre reasoning. Don't run away after disgracing your lot. I'm here to teach you what you don't know. You can't keep reasoning like a two year old and expect to keep up with intelligent adults anyway. So, I'll spare you. Don't worry, if you decide to continue I'll be more gentle on you this time around, especially if your senses are working right enough to know how to start off a conversation in a civil manner. I'm already having a good day. You should have a one too. |
[quote author=Aemmyjah post=129807595][/quote]Lol. So, they do drink this camel urine true, true? |
kingxsamz:Lol, I didn't say that makes it rare or nat. I'm telling you it proves something because it gives us ample opportunity to draw inferences. Until you provide credible evidence to the contrary, you're only wasting your time. Lol, too unintelligent to come up with a reasonable argument? Dull atheist. Lol, your dog only exists in your story book. Don't sweat it.Lol, your father who is a dog exists only in your imagination, don't sweat it If a fictional story was written based on Mr Anderson, sure, why not?If a claim is made, dull dog, that's not fiction. Very dull and unintelligent atheist. A claim is not a fiction. Lol, I beg you, come up with your own thought and way of response and stop doing copy copy. Olod0 Please.Lol, when we answer a fool with his own foolish words, he doesn't like the taste of his own medicine. Stop crying and face the truth. Your long, boring epistle does not contain any stats of rape incidents being rare. All incidents in a 4000 year span cannot be recorded in one small book. Like you said, only the important ones were recorded. Stop typing long epistles only for it to end up being rubbish. Please, I beg.Your unintelligent brain cannot decipher what I said because you have a very low IQ. Everyone knows that the number of recorded occurrences of an event in history is highly suggestive of the prevalence or non prevalence of such an occurrent during the period under review. Says the one copying someone's responses and sending it back as his own thought.Says the dullard who cannot afford to apply his lopsided viewpoints to matters but reasons on a one way traffic. When he's myopic views are thrown back at him, he cries like a baby. Another copy and paste. A baby Christian without the thought of his own. I've already made my point, I won't go in circles with you. Your remaining rants is for your family members o. 😂 Make dem read am.Another cry cry after his jaundiced reasoning style is thrown back at him, and his stupidity exposed. I would continue to expose your stupidity until you get sense. |
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