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paxonel:
who told you that?
Have you ever see Muslim or atheist going to church?
You are still finding it difficult to define who a Christian is
lies!
Big lies

A believer is anyone who believes in Christ.

John 3:16 ...whosever believth in him should not perish.

The only reason why you see anyone going to church is because they believe
lordreed case could just be an exception. It's like a true Muslim attending church which is not common.

But most people you see in church are Christians in Ernest, you can't dispute that .

By the way, what's all the altar calls for?
To catch up with one muslim or atheist who possibly is not available among a hundred Christian population in the congregation?

What a hypocritic wild geese chase

The case of lordreed is not an exception!

My dad went to church as a Muslim. He married my mum from there. Many Ogbonis are in Church. A lot of witches and people of the occult are in Church! Some robbers go to church too. But according to you, they don't need to give their lives to Christ?

paxonel:
Telling a Christian that he should give his life to Christ is like telling a child of the president or King to become a child of the president or king that he already is..
It amount to a contradiction.

Giving your life to Christ is not the same thing as repentance

When a pastor make an altar call, that church members should come out and give their lives to Christ, it shows how ignorant and deficient in scriptures the pastor has made himself to be. As a pastor, you either call out church members to repent of their sin, or to renew their commitment in church, or for communion ,etc

Therefore engaging in evangelism as Paul the apostle and other early Christians did, entails bringing a non Christian into the kingdom.
Not bringing someone who is already a Christian that is committing sin.

Though, repentance was part of their preaching, but it was never a requirement to be a Christian.

Who is an unbeliever?
An unbeliever is someone that does not believe

Examples of non Christians are Muslims, atheists, judaists, traditionalists, etc
Take note that these people can be morally upright as Christians too.

Meaning of the word TO CONVERT someone

The Oxford dictionary defines the word CONVERT as the definite and decisive adoption of another religion

This implies that when a Christian preaches to a Muslim for example, about Christ, and the Muslim begins to adopt Christianity, then the Christian has converted the Muslim.
Not a Christian preaching to a Christian.
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But not everyone who is in church is a Christian. Not everyone who goes to church is a believer. Have you heard that lordreed, and renown atheist on this forum also goes to church every Sunday?

Veecruz:
See pain!

I thought you knew everything in the bible.

See why did you not see Genesis.1:27/Genesis 2:7? Now you are running from it to start talking off point

Or open your mouth and say that women have no living souls of their own or that women do not return to the same dust when they die. Brainless bible reader.

I added a clarification in my last post which you probably missed. You might want to read it again.

For emphasis, no one knows how God made a woman from the rib He took from man. The Scriptures never said God made a second clay into which He breathed the breathe of life. It is errornous for you to insinuate what the Scriptures never said. God didn't make a second clay to breath into. How He turned the rib into a woman remains a mystery. Carry your heresies away from here.

Having made this clarification, no more response.

Veecruz:
Ahan! I thought you knew everything in the bible more than every other person here.

So how then did you miss and not see that the bible clearly Said, "man" is not referring to that hunous being with a thing called penis?

Does Genesis 1:27/Genesis 2:7 not show that man means male and female?

Or do you say that women have no living souls of their own?

Or do you say that women do not return to the same dust on their own just like the man?

Trash!!

God made man, took a rib out of man, and from that rib He made a woman according to the Scriptures:

"And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made He a woman, and brought her unto the man." Genesis 2:22.

If the Bible never said that God made a new clay and breathed into it the breathe of life, it is wrong for you to insinuate what the scriptures never said. No one knew how God used the rib to make woman. But we know that God didn't mold a second clay to breath into. The scriptures never said so!

Carry your heretic ideologies away from here. No more response from me. I can't engage in unnecessary and irrelevant arguments.

Image123:
i did not type in assumption or "might have beens". It defies logic that a helpmeet should be made better than what or who it helps.
Apart from what we biologically know, here are two scriptures clearly stating that the woman was and is weaker than the man.

1Pe_3:7  Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

1Ti_2:14  And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

According to KNOWLEDGE, the woman is the weaker vessel. This is not an emotional or cultural thing. It has nothing to do with love or hatred for women, or being politically correct. Adam was clearly NOT deceived. The serpent was wise and instinctive enough to know which was easier prey, and an easier loophole in the chain. Nonetheless, no problem, whatever you choose to believe. i can't shout.

I can assure you that Veecruz would not listen to your scriptural explanations. He would not have any scriptural backing for his claims. Everything he'll say would be based on his own personal thoughts and reasonings. He'll expect you to accept them as truth against the Word of God. If you refuse, he'll say you don't accept corrections. He would also bring damnable heresies into the discussion while trying to pitch his logic against the Word of God.

I have engaged him on two occasions, and this has always been his pattern.

Tell him to tell us where God first created Eve out of dust before taking a rib from Adam to add to Eve. He'll have no answer for that but would defend his claims with defective logic. He'll read all your scripture-backed argument and still say you have nothing to say.

God took a rib from Adam, and with it, He made the woman. That's the Scriptures. But Veecruz wants us to believe that God first created Eve from dust, and then took a rib from Adam to add to Eve. Heretic!

LordReed:
Did I mention creator of the thread? Abeg go look at the person you quoted and see where he wrote CERN will open the portal to hell. If anybody is gripped it has to be you, easily gripped by nonsense. Temple of Apollyon. LMFAO!

He was not referring to any doomsday prophecy. There's no prophecy that says someone or some groups would open a portal to hell.

Me, why should I be gripped? I'm fully prepared for the end. Let it come now. You're the one who has a phobia for the end, seeing doomsday and end time where they're not.

LordReed:
Somebody was talking about CERN opening a portal to hell aka doomsday, you come along and say here is something to support what you are saying. And when I call you out, you double down on the nonsense until you see there is no way out. Now you wanna backtrack. Tell me which other context Apollyon is referenced if not in end time lore, you can't. Abeg rest jor. When 8th of April rolls around come and show me the portal to hell CERN opened. Bwahahahahaha!

My friend, go back and read. I didn't even mention the creator of the thread. I mentioned an individual who pointed out that Shiva's image is at CERN. I now mentioned you and others to call your attention to Shiva's image at CERN with a comment that Shiva is Apollyon so you can see the spiritual undercurrents in CERN's activities. But immediately you heard Apollyon, you were gripped with 'endtimephobia' and started seeing end time in every post even though I never mentioned it!

LordReed:
With regards to Apollyon? Supporting end time talk.

Your assumed, isn't it? Where did I talk about end time? I know you'll not be honest enough to say I didn't.

Apollyon is indeed a fallen angel whose activities are prophesied for the end times but my emphasis was not on that? Prove me otherwise.

My emphasis was on the fact that science knows the spiritual exist, and they're doing everything to unravel its mystery. Or why would they put Shiva's image at CERN? What's the hilabalo about the 'invisible particle'? Did I talk anything about end time to you? Be honest for once!

LordReed:
What else would you be talking about, tell me plz.

What have I been talking about? Tell me please.

Na wa o.

[quote author=SlayerofSatan post=115689814][/quote]Maynman is actually an atheist. He is well known on Nairaland for his atheism and Yahweh of sadhu conspiracy theories.

LordReed:
LoLz. Is Apollyon not supposed to be an end times thing? Keep deceiving yourself.

So, each time we talk about Apollyon, we're talking about end time things?

LordReed:
You totally did, even continuing to make reference to Apollyon. Abegi rest. LoLz.

Lies.

Why didn't you quote me where I did. My reference to Apollyon is as a result of the image of Shiva at CERN. Shiva is Apollyon. It was to draw your attention to the image, it's spiritual symbolisms, the so called 'invisible particle', and the attempt of science to unravel spiritual mysteries which shows that science acknowledges its limitations in these things, it's still researching these things while you have already taken a conclusive position.

Veecruz:
The question has allready answered you and it did ask about mentally retarded 4 year olds. So, you don't have anything to say.

Myopic!

The Mentally retarded were referenced to let you come to the realization that indeed humans develop at different stages and that individual age of awareness is not uniform. They were not treated as an isolated case. It was a sample to make you see the error in your generalization.

While others immediately understood what I said, you still have need of more and more explanations until I even have to use the mentally retarded to drive the point, yet you still failed to grasp. Or are you just pretending?

[quote author=Veecruz post=129270771]

Lying yet again for this statement came up because of i was addressing normal people when you said

The question you responded to, did it ask you only about normal people? You didn't see the deficiency in your answer? What are you still arguing about? Arguing against me because I covered all classes of people while your answer limited God's accountability requirements to normal people alone'?

Which i answered
Veecruz
Have you seen this heavy scrutiny happen to a child below 5?

My friend, are we talking about God or man? What's your understanding of the term "accountability with God"? What sort of question is this you're asking. How does it correlate?

But by 7 every normal person.is already a subject of inquisition and scrutiny for their action as proven by the fact that most children with still grew through nursery and primary school together with their age mates despite the different cognitive abilities. So there is nothing.separating anyone from lyability based on cognitive difference.

My friend you're still repeating the same fallacies you've been repeating ever since. Are we talking about God or man. You're saying by '7'. Who told you that there are no persons who become accountable with God before 7 or after 7? Is God a man?

Did Jeremiah not become a prophet at 4? Did Josiah not become a king at 6? I don't understand the basis of your arguments. I suppose to ignore you but I'm still answering you only because I see pride in you, and I see ignoring you may send you the wrong message.

Maybe you don't understand what "accountability" is biblically. Let me help you.

It is impossible to cover all factors that God looks at to see someone as bring accountable for his actions but for a clearer understanding, accountability is the stage you reach when you become aware of yourself, your environment and the existence of rights and wrongs, good and evil.

This awareness does not happen at the same time or age for every human. Even though I used mentally retarded people as an example, the focus is not really on cognitive abilities but on AWARENESS. However, awareness is also helped by cognition, and that's why I used the mentally retarded to provide you a glimpse but it seems you didn't get it still.

As i said, you do not have any valid thing to say..

You are just repeating yourself in your bid to redeem yourself and you dont have valid thing to say.

Repeating this statement aimlessly only shows that you're impervious to external ideas. I've shown you through scriptures why my position can be seen as valid. We're discussing God here, not humans. God's age or stage of accountability. Not human's age or stage of accountability. If you don't have any basic understanding of who God is and how He operates, please desist from commenting on posts like this. Otherwise, you'll fall into many errors, such as the heresies we have caught you with.

[quote author=Veecruz post=129269504]

When you are talking here do you remember mentally retarded people? Even at that when you raised it did we not address it, saying

Yes, I remembered all classes of people, that's why I said people develop at different paces, so age of accountability cannot be uniform for all. God knows at what stage He should hold each person accountable for his/her actions.

And that was i answered you that i am a lawyer for i know all the just Laws that must be strictly complied with before a not-sane person (that is what we call your mentally retarded persons in Law) can be properly and rightly convicted of a wrong doing, which is why i have since been saying that you have no valid thing to say but you hate being corrected because you know everything and you are the best and expert in biblelogy.

You hate being corrected my brother. We're not talking about human laws here. God does not have the same limitations as man. Man can err in judgement, even holding someone accountable when such an individual is not. You really are arrogant to be telling me I hate being corrected. You have no reasonable point, yet you want me to embrace your unscriptural and unrelatable positions. If I'll change a position, won't you convince me? You've never had any valid point except to be talking proudly as though everyone must listen to you.

Who are you in the first place that you think you're the one to correct others?

I have shown you from scriptures that God does not have a specific age of accountability because people develop differently. Period. Every sane person knows that people develop differently. That should tell you why God doesn't have a general age for everyone.

God's accountability mantra is hinged on "To whom much is given, much is required." Do you still want me to do a whole biblical exegesis on this too? It would be a great mistake for you to think that since you're a lawyer, you can talk anything about how God makes His decisions. You even went as far as saying the age of accountability with God is 7. When you were asked for scripture proof, you went on saying,"Nature says so". Which Christian talks like that! You even said 'God is nature and nature is God.' Abominable Heresy!!! Are you sure you're a believer in Christ Jesus? Do you really have the Spirit of God dwelling in you? Or you're just a mere religionist?

A mentally retarded person can surely be convicted. Who says they can't? Who says God won't convict even the mentally retarded? We're talking about the age or stage of accountability here. How does that relate to :

"for i know all the just Laws that must be strictly complied with before a not-sane person (that is what we call your mentally retarded persons in Law) can be properly and rightly convicted of a wrong doing, "

We're not talking about people being convicted or not being convicted, for God's sake! We're talking about age or stage of accountability.

And my position is further strengthened by your post which I quoted above. Even according to you, there are some just laws that must be strictly complied with in order to properly convict not sane persons. This your statement shows that even man does not treat this particular set of people the same way they treat normal people. This obviously is due to their developmental deficiency, and generally, people are different. Both normal and not sane people have different levels of development. Normal people are not the same. Not sane people too are not same. Even in those subgroups, there are different levels of development.

What you have failed to see is that, though the deficiency is more pronounced in mentally retarded people, it is in different levels with all people. Man can't measure it in individuals but God who created man knows at what stage each individual becomes accountable to Him.

While some people may become accountable at 5, some others at 6, some others at 7, some others at 8, some might even become accountable at 20. God knows each and every human being, and would therefore judge every individual according to the capacity that God has given unto him. Not on any age stipulated by you or your 'god' whom you call nature.

LordReed:
Go look at your post I first responded to on this thread and the attachments you added to support the doomsday crap the person you quoted wrote. BTW tell me Apollyon is not about the so called end times. Stop trying to dribble your own shadow.

I didn't support any doomsday post. I made a comment that science still has many things it does not know but you guys hing your lives on it. That was the point I have been making. You can't point to any post where I supported or opposed a doomsday post.

LordReed:
LoLz. I am well aware that science has never claimed to know it all. It's people like you who show up claiming special knowledge which then gets rubbished as soon as a little thought is brought to bear. You are the one who needs to use your brain because you keep latching on to nonsense that can easily be shown to be nonsense. The LHC has been operated for years now but you keep spouting doomsday crap about the LHC which is nothing but conspiracy theiry nonsense.

Where's the doomsday crap I sprouted? Would you quote me to that effect?

LordReed:
LoLz. All your supporting material has been torn to sheds so what main matter is there? Bwahahahahaha.

No one is talking about any supporting materials. Think about the fact that science is aware there are many things still yet unknown. A reality you do not think about.

LordReed:
First Apollo is not Apollyon so you are already confused.

Second the Temple of Apollo is in Greece and the LHC does not pass through Greece.

Make una dey fool unasef for dia.

Is that the only thing you could see? Someone said it in quora, I just tipped it in. That's not the main focus of the post. You left the main crux of the matter to focus your attention on trivialities.

LordReed:
Read the post you responded to.

Besides it is still nonsense saying CERN location itself is the same location of the Temple of Apollyon. There never was a Temple of Apollyon. You people and nonsense are like 5 and 6.

I meant temple of Apollo

Veecruz:
See how you are lie by changing the argument
Where you not arguing on normal people and not on mental retards? See your words,

Is God judging only norma people? Is it not the same God that would judge both the retards and the normal? Are the retards not humans?

The retards are just used as an example. You were the one who said mentally slow people graduate same time as their other counterparts. Is that not a lie? Or you don't know what it means for someone to be mentally slow? I've given an example of how mentally slow people behave at school. Even amongst the mentally slow, there are degrees. God still won't judge mentally slow people equally. What's hard for you understand in this? Everyone has understood the point I'm making except you. Why making unnecessary arguments? Do you expect God to make everyone accountable at the age of 7 simply because you said so? Or because 'you dad's nature said so? I'm showing you clearly that your position is very unbalanced.


[quote [Now you.have deceitfully changed it to mentally retarded.[/quote]It means you lack the understanding of what we're discussing here. Were you not the one who said mentally slow people graduate in school same time as their normal colleagues? I gave you explanation to show you that you're wrong, you termed my explanation deceit. You are the one who deceitfully said mentally slow people graduate same time as normal people in school.

As i said, you do not have any valid thing to say and you hate being corrected because you know everything because you are the best and expert in biblelogy.

I think it's better you go and learn about a topic deeply before you come to argue about it. This is my second time of engaging you on this platform, and my experience so far is that you.put contribution into topics you don't understand. And most cases, it takes you so long to even understand what is being discussed.

You'll be the one to make a weak point, when you're exposed, you cry deceit. I'll say one thing, you'll allege something else? You'll never say anything based on Scripture, just your own worlds, and expect everyone to see you as someone higher than God, and take your words against God's Word. I stand in awe of you.

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Na wa. Why is it so easy for you lot to latch on to nonsense conspiracy theories? Are you not the same folks who strenuously tell us that the spiritual realm cannot be reached by physical methods but now CERN is going open a portal to hell. Are you even using your brain at all? LMFAO!

You see, you didn't even understand the simple message. You're here saying something else. You didn't even understand the context.

What I'm saying is that the Bible talked about Apollyon being the angel of the bottomless pit. The CERN location itself is the same location of the Temple of Apollyon in the days of old. The image of Apollyon, also called Shiva in India is there at CERN. Do scientists believe in spirituality? Join the dots. This shows science has not gotten the answers. They're still looking for answers. Meanwhile you've hung your eternity on them.

May God open your eyes.

Francistown.

Mamayam:
Most of our electricity is generated from burning gas or some sort of fuel. And it seems with increasing gas prices, the GENCOs increase the selling price to the DISCOs which have to increase their tariff to make ends meet

It would be sensible if they have put it this way. Hinging the hike on stable electricity is illogical.

Skoonheid:
Revelation 9:11

“And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.”

This Apollyon is the same as Shiva , whose statue is at CERN.

CERN will open a portal to hell on the 8th of April. Buckle up

Are you sure about the bolded? Can we discuss more on this?

Modified:

I went online and found a great deal of information confirming your thoughts. This poses a big problem for atheists. Jaephoenix, lordreed, maynmann, hopefullandlord, knownunknown, francistown etal. Someday, your spiritual eyes shall be opened, and your spiritually deaf ears shall hear. I just hope it wouldn't be too late because your hearts are already hardened.

Apart from the attached screenshots, you'll also find useful information on the links below:

https://planetquartus..com/2015/02/shiva-apollyon-destroyer-cern.html?m=1

https://cds.cern.ch/record/745737?ln=en

Skoonheid:
What did Muhammad do in the cave Hira (Ghar Hiraa)?  Islamic books say that Muhammad used to go to cave Hira to worship for several nights at a time.

According to the Islamic resources ,Muhammad used to go there to worship, following the example of Al Hanifa like his grandfather Abd El Mutalib.  The Islamic resources also mention that Khadija said, “I wish you would become the prophet of this nation.”  They saw that the Jews had Moses as their own prophet & Christians had Issa (Jesus) as their prophet [Muslims also few Jesus as a prophet] so why don’t the Arab nations have their own prophet?  Therefore, they were looking forward to having their own prophet.  Sheikh Khalil Abd El Karim, the graduate of Al Azhar Mosque in Egypt, mentioned in his book, ‘The Forming Period In The Life of The Sincere & Faithful’, that Khadija, Warago Bin Noufal & Pastor Buhaira formed the first school that trained & prepared Muhammad to hopefully become a prophet.  During the first five years of this preparation period Khadija used to go with Muhammad to an area near the cave Hira where she used to wait for him until he came back from his seclusion.  She had learned that Moses & other prophets went to the mountains & then became prophets, so she wanted to lead Muhammad along the same path hoping that something might happen to him which would signify was the prophet they desired. 
What happened in this cave?

when Muhammad went to cave Hira why could he not recognize that what he met was either a Jinn, a demon or an angel?  & Why did Muhammad leave trembling?

According to the Sira books, Muhammad never thought that what he met was an angel!  He always believed that it was a Jinn & that it was his (Muhammad’s) follower & that he was touched by the Jinn & that he had Jinn’s.  The Sira books never mention that Muhammad though he saw an angel there.  Why, because the appearance of an angel to a human being has always been accompanied with many signs.  The most important sign throughout the holy history, in both the Old & New Testaments, was that the angel would bring peace!  For example, when the angel appeared to the Virgin Mary he said, “Peace is upon you.  You are full of blessings & God is with you.”  The angel’s appearance brought peace, comfort & tranquility.  But the appearance of what was named Jibril (Gabriel) to Muhammad was accompanied with a strange thing, it was strangling him!  That is why Muhammad had no doubt that it was the Jinn & that this Jinn was his follower!

The sign of angel appearance is peace but what happened to Muhammad was never peaceful.

Horror.  The angel strangled him, according to the story three times the angel says, “Read”,  Muhammad answers, “I can’t read”, then the angel strangled him.  So how can that be an angel if he’s strangling him?  Angels come as agents of mercy in order to give life, not to strangle people!  From here was Muhammad’s doubt that this could not be an angel.  Muhammad never thought that it was an angel.  He thought that it was a demon & he went to Khadija & told her, “I saw a follower, or I was touched by a Jinn.”  That was all he thought!

For all the Muslim travellers and other travellers out there, don't just take everything you see in some scripture, reason if what you're instructed can give you the eternity you seek.

The so called angel Mohammed saw was obviously a jinn but then, who later convinced him that the jinn was an angel? I'll like to know.

It's even more hilarious that Mohammed was going to the cave in order to become a prophet. TenQ and Advocatejare, come see something o.

Why must they hike the tarrif? Stable electricity already means consumers would pay more, since the token would burn for a much longer time. If you give 2hr electricity, the token would burn for only 2hrs. And if you give 20hr electricity, the token would burn for 20hrs, making more money for the Discos. There's no sense in hiking electricity tarrif just because you want to provide stable electricity. Should the telecoms hike tarrif plans just because some fellows are calling for longer hours? This isn't sensible.

Veecruz:
See it. You have no answer but to insult now that i have reminded you that nearly all the children you call slow grow and even graduate together with their supposed fast and faster mates.
As i said, you do not have any valid thing to say

In what way have I insulted you?

You shot yourself in the leg with this lie.

Have you been to a school for the mentally retarded before? They're called Special schools for a reason. There, you'll see 20yr olds in primary 2. Many of the students in the primary section are older than their teachers. Some of them don't even know 10 + 5, and they still bedwet at 20. Why do you like using lies to defend yourself?

People develop differently and God deals with people as individuals. He'll also judge them as individuals. God wouldn't judge you and I according to the expectations He has of us. Our ages of accountability might not be the same. "To whom much is given, much is required." If God has given you much intellectual capacity at 5yrs, He would not judge you the same way as a 10yr old who is mentally retarded.

Sportsolutions2:
Google is Your Friend.

The Contents of The Qur'an isn't hidden.

Yet Muslims kill kafirs for touching the Quran. Dey play.

Aemmyjah:
What about those that hear but did not have ample time to make up their mind or fully repent of their ways cos struggle with sin and later death?

There's something really interesting about God.

1. No matter how much a person rejects Jesus, if he repents just a few seconds before dying, you'll be saved. Example, the malefactor on Jesus' right hand on the cross. He rejected Jesus all the while he was robbing the country but accepted him just before he died on the cross. Jesus promised him paradise.

2. This might be open to debate but this is what I found in Scripture - No matter how much a person rejects Christ, if a Believer prays for him/her just before he dies, he might still obtain mercy. This is what the scriptures say concerning the sick:

James 5:15

"And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him."

I believe the scripture above applies to those in a state of coma, or those who became brain dead, or have fainted just before they gave up the ghost. This is my personal inference drawn from that scripture. I have not seen it anywhere being upheld as a Christian doctrine.