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AbuTwins:
So you know there are unknown writers and that's what you were afraid of?

Don't worry i know all that and more!

It doesn't concern us. The Psalms didn't fall from heaven like the lying claims of the Quran.

The thread is about Muslims worshipping the Kaaba and not Abraham and the Kaaba!

We can't talk about Muslims worshiping the ka'aba without talking about the origin of the ka'aba.

How come Abraham is said to have built the ka'aba when he never visited Mecca? Is that a difficult question to answer?

AbuTwins:
Who wrote the entire Psalms?
Writers unknown but ascribed to David, Moses, 11 sons of Korah, Heman, Asaph, Solomon,...! Is that difficult to say?

Keep deceiving yourself. Majority of the Psalms have known writers. Even if the writer of a song is unknown, it does not render it less a song for worshipping God.

That's not the topic of this thread!

This thread is talking about the ka'aba. Don't run from the question.

Abraham never visited Mecca. How come he built the ka'aba? Let's talk about this particular lie regarding the ka'aba.

AbuTwins:
Don't divert the attention away from your lies!

Who exactly wrote of David in that Psalms?

And who wrote Psalms 138 if not David?

It's a psalm. Part of the collection of songs. It's not every song you sing you must know the writer of it. Those were songs used to worship God in Israel in those days. David was not the writer of that particular psalm. Period.

Let's talk about your lies. Bible prophets are not Muslims. Abraham didn't build any ka'aba in Mecca. They're all deceptions.

AbuTwins:
So who sang it?

Muslims?

Lol. So, you agree that the prophets of the Bible were not Muslims contrary to the lies that you lots have been spreading around?

Abraham who never visited anywhere near Mecca was even said to have built the ka'aba by the liars.

May God have mercy on you.

AbuTwins:
Who wrote "of David" there when you claim David didn't write it?

Who is the liar?

The publisher of course. That they wrote 'of David' does not mean David sang it.

AbuTwins:
The last portion of your screenshot!

The Psalms are generally called Psalm of David because David wrote most of them but He did not write all of them.

AbuTwins:
Quote Psalm 138:1-2

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AbuTwins:
So tell me O liar, who put David's name in that verse i quoted? Psalm 138:1-2

Ignorant Muslim. Point out David's name in the verse!

AbuTwins:
So who wrote this liar?
Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else! Psalm 138:1-2

Majority of the Muslims have never been to the Kaaba. They bow towards its direction. Why do you have to keep telling lies and misrepresenting facts?

Bowing towards: When you bow towards someone or something, it means you are directing your bow in their general direction. It can be a gesture of respect, acknowledgement, or reverence. Bowing towards signifies the act of physically orienting yourself in the direction of the person or object you are bowing towards.

Bowing to: On the other hand, when you bow to someone, it implies a more specific action of showing deference or submission to that person. Bowing to someone indicates that you are acknowledging their authority, status, or superiority. It is a gesture of respect and humility, often used in formal or ceremonial contexts.


What is worship?
How do we worship the Kaaba?
How is kissing worship in Christianity?
When Jesus put his face to the ground who was he worshipping?

Solomon was the one who built the temple. It wasn't it existence in Dave's day. How can David bow to a temple that didn't exist? You Ignorant Muslim.

David wrote a portion of the Psalms, not all the Psalms. Research before calling someone a liar for educating you.

May God open your eyes. They even said Abraham built the ka'aba. Liars!

AbuTwins:
The more reason we say you guys are ignorant! The Kaaba remains a stone Allah attributed to Himself and the enlightened Christian believed the explanation.

This is your David bowing towards the Holy temple!
Of David. I give You thanks with all my heart; before the gods I sing Your praises. I bow down toward Your holy temple and give thanks to Your name for Your loving devotion and Your faithfulness; You have exalted Your name and Your word above all else. Psalm 138:1-2

This is your Solomon!
1 Kings 8:29
May Your eyes be open toward this temple night and day, toward the place of which You said, 'My Name shall be there,' so that You may hear the prayer that Your servant prays toward this place.

This is David again!
Psalm 5:7
But I will enter Your house by the abundance of Your loving devotion; in reverence I will bow down toward Your holy temple.


This is David again!
Psalm 28:2
Hear my cry for mercy when I call to You for help, when I lift up my hands toward Your holy sanctuary.

And Daniel got on his kneels and prayed!
Daniel 6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before.

Ignorant hypocrites and liars!
Who told you we worship the stone from our texts?

David didn't bow to any temple. The temple was not in existence in David's time. Psalm 138 wasn't written by David. Muslims are very ignorant and yet arrogant to think that they know the Bible more than Christians.

Muslims bow to the ka'aba but Jews bow TOWARDS the temple. They don't bow to the temple. Hope you understand my point? Simple English there. Boeing towards is different from bowing to.

Muslims kiss the stone and worship it. Jews don't. The ka'aba is the idol Allah that Muslims worship.

This is commendable.

This is quite an eye opening and very educative post. Thank you OP.

Expanse2020:
I believe in ISSA ,iSho, Yehesua, Jesus P.B.U.H as the messenger, servant of the Greatest Almighty God which I follow his practice till today but not
As my God or personal savior and I believe he didn't die talkless of dieing for me..
He was a man with his own special power just like any other prophets with there own special power..

You can't believe in Jesus without appropriating the sacrifice He made for you to your life.

What special power did Mohammed have. He came only to deceive you. Nothing more.

Expanse2020:
During the life of prophet Muhammad S.A.W. the Jews always come to test him by asking different questions to know if he was a prophet of God and whenever they asked questions he told him whatever God reveal to him.. there is among them who attest to different incident happened based on the scrow and record they have from there generation but what make Jew didn't accept Muhammad was simply because he was not from there tribe..
That what God said in the bible too after they have fail to keep covenant, God told them they have remove the glory from there nation Jerusalem and he will have it to another nation...
So it is you should open your eyes
Take a copy of Quran today read a complete short chapters like 3 to 5 and compare it to bible.. you cannot find words that lapse, or contradictory in it ..
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I have read the Quran and can see it's all lies. We were once Muslims by friend.

When the Jews asked Mohammed what a spirit is, he had not answer. Allah too couldn't answer him. He fought the Jews when they didn't believe him. He even ordered one Jewish woman to be tied to a Carmel and torn apart while alive.

There are many scientific blunders in the Quran. The God who created the world cannot make such blinders. How can God not know about what he created? The earth is spread like a carpet and the sun sets in murky waters. What bullshit?

There are so many contradictions in the Quran. The serious distortions of the Jews history is alarming. Mohammed even taught that Mariam the sister of Moses was the same as Mariam the mother of Jesus. Very shameful mistake. He also taught that a Samaritan was in the journey with the Israelites from Egypt when there was never a Samaritan unto more than 1,800 years after Moses.

The character of the mohammed guy too is just too filthy. There's no single prophet of Israel who was as vile as Mohammed who lived by the sword, loved so much wanton sex, married an infant, robbed caravans and never heard the voice of God except thr voice of a demon who called himself Gabriel. Tell me which prophet of the Bunn never heard God speak?

Allah was swearing by angels, moon and pen of the writer. What bullshit? The true God swears by Himself and by Hid great name because He has no one greater than Himself to swear by.

Expanse2020:
You should try and explore more why Quran said he didn't die rather was take up..rather than blasphemy the God die... Human being are limited that why they can kill your God like that but Allah S.W it's not limited he did whatever he fill like and he is unquestionable

Jesus is among some prophets who didn't die on earth
And Moses his among prophets who died on this earth....so tell me what his the big the that a prophet died...

Muhammed never call himself God or tell us to worship him rather he said worship a true ONE GOD just like the others prophets said.

You should think before it's too late.
Because everything being recorded day to day and you will be questioning for it ..

Also Jesus never call himself God but rather told them to worship One true God....
You should asked yourself those that keep editing the bible from time to time adding and subtracting from time to time to give you revise version is it the holy spirit telling them to remove and add another to it

Think twice Remember Jesus said clearly he will denied a lot of people because they started doing another thing after he was gone .. please don't be among them..
May God guide you to see the light 👋

Who kept exiting the Bible from time to time please? Keep believing the lies they've been telling you.

You even said Abraham was in fire and nothing happened to him. Which Abraham please?

Don't worry, keep practicing religion. Religion would never save you. It has never saved anybody.

Believe it or not. If you die without Jesus as saviour, you'll meet Jesus as judge.

Expanse2020:
Even the Jews said Jesus was a mere man like them..that why they always look Christianity that you guys are just playing..
The way Arab Christian or Jew Christians pray different from yours in Africa..
Even in Africa the way Kenya/Ethiopia Christian pray was different from how others in Nigeria pray have you try to make research on it
Did you know Ethiopia only worship black Jesus as a messanger not the white folk you hanged in your house has you personal. Savior

The information Muslims have about Jesus, the Jews do the have it.

All what the Quran said about Jesus, thru Jews don't know it.

What the Gospels say about Jesus, the Jews don't know it.

If you have such information and still choose to behave like the Jews who do not have the information, then, you need to check yourself.

Abu Deceived The Ignorant Christian is supposed to be the topic.

The deception there is that Abu played on the ignorance of the Christian who didn't know that Jews prayed facing the temple in Jerusalem because God placed His name in the Temple. The Jews don't bow to the temple but pray towards it because God put His name there:

"After the temple was dedicated, the Lord appeared to Solomon and told him that He had hallowed the temple `to put my name there for ever. " (1 Kings 9:3,)

In contrast, Muslims bow to the stone in ka'aba, they worship it and even kiss the stone. Idolatry!

It's interesting to know that Allah is not present everywhere. Allah is not the God of creation:

“If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there. If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle on the far side of the sea, even there your hand will guide me, your right hand will hold me fast” (Ps. 139:8–10).

Christians worship God facing anywhere because God is everywhere. God proves He's everywhere by answering us wherever we face.

The deception in Islam is too much. The Jews who faced the temple in Jerusalem were not worshipping Allah but Yahweh. They were not Muslims.

excanny:
Muslims today believe in a fiction created by the Abbasid Caliphate.

1. Mecca didn’t exist in the 7th century
(a). No archeological evidence.
(b). No historical evidence.
(c). Lack of drinkable water sources in Arabia.

2. Mecca (only mentioned once in the Quran) wasn’t on any historical map until the year 900.

The Quran talks about a fertile place, which can not be Mecca.
(a). A stream
(b). Fruits
(c). Olive trees
(d). Fields etc.

None of which Mecca had in the 7th, 8th, 9th 10th, and not until the late 20th centuries when Saudi Arabia started to have water desalination plants built.

3. Medina was an insignificant little place.

4. The term ‘Muhammad’ (Praised One) was first found on a Christian coin in the year 661 referring to Jesus, which had Christian symbols.

5. The term 'Muhammad' was used by Arab Christians for Jesus until the mid-8th century.

6. The Muhammad that Muslims believe in today was an invention of the Abbasid Caliphate in the late 8th century or early 9th century.

Muhammad is mentioned only four times in the Quran.

The Muslim/Abbasid Muhammad in the Quran is the last of the four (Surah 33:40), is an Abbasid interpolation, and the first three refer to Jesus.

7. The Dome of the Rock was not a Mosque; it was built by Abdul al-Malik as an anti-trinitarian Christian building.

Both Abdul al-Malik and his brother were anti-trinitarian Christians and used Christian symbols on their coins.

8. Abdul al-Malik sent a directive throughout his Kingdom saying that the term ‘Muhammad’ should refer to Jesus.

9. The only original parts of the Dome of the Rock are the inner ambulatories and the Muhammad’s written on them refer to Jesus (in fact the term Jesus is on one of them), and they are decorated with lots of grapes, a Christian symbol.

10. There were no Islamic Qurans in the 7th Century.

The proto-Quran was in fact Christian lectionaries written in Aramaic and old Arabic.

This has led to many mistranslations in the much later Islamic/Abbasid Quran.

Conclusion: What Muslims believe today is a fraudulent story started by the Abbasid Caliphate when they came into power in 750.

The Abbasid Caliphate bastardized the Arab Anti-trinitarian Christian lectionaries (combined with the mistranslations) to form their Quran to suit their agenda.

Please where can these anti-trinitarian lectionaries be found today? I need to lay hands on them for a comparative study of the books with the Quran to confirm your claims.

AbuTwins:
You mean God couldn't have just forgive anyone except He kills himself?

The Soul who Sins will Die Ezekiel 18:19-23
Yet you may ask, ‘Why shouldn’t the son bear the iniquity of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right, carefully observing all My statutes, he will surely live. The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. The righteousness of the righteous man will fall upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked man will fall upon him.

But if the wicked man turns from all the sins he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die. None of the transgressions he has committed will be held against him. Because of the righteousness he has practiced, he will live. Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Lord GOD. Wouldn’t I prefer that he turn from his ways and live?

This is also the law of Islam!
God does not die!
God is not born!
God is just one!
God does not become human!

You see, you guys don't understand what sin is. What Jesus came to do on the cross is not mere forgiveness of sins.

After being forgiven, there's need for a cleansing and and inner rebirth because God wants to relate with man. It's that cleansing and that inner rebirth that paves way for Divinity to relate with humanity. What is the essence of being forgiven only to sin and sin again? God had to deal with the sin nature through inner cleansing and rebirth. That's why the moment you give your life to Christ, the first thing you experience is a serious hatred for sin. Genuine Christians who have the real salvation experience find it difficult to sin because of the rebirth. That's what it means to be born again. Your sin nature undergoes a continuous transformation after you are washed. The transformation continues until a lifestyle of righteousness becomes automatic. You don't struggle to be righteous, it just flows naturally out of you because your nature has been transformed.

Expanse2020:
Which salvation are you talking about when bible said no one can die for another person sin....
And whoever they nail on the cross is a cursed person
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sey whinny ni yen

No MAN can die or be punished for another person's sin. That's why GOD has to do it Himself on man's behalf. He had to do it as MAN because only MAN can legally represent MAN in judgement.

Expanse2020:
Yoruba adage said one man cannot stand as two people.....
Abeggiii everyone one get his own Soul stop that lie fed into your brain..... Worship true one God
Jesus is a servant just like me to his master the creator, he didn't call himself God stop feedings ur soul a lie
He respected his maker he can't do anything except by the permission of our maker, abeg rest
If he know he will die on the cross why is it beggining his soul, Abi na spirit to stop the crucifixion...🤣🤣😂😂😂🤣

Yoruba adage says ONE MAN CANNOT STAND AS TWO PEOPLE. That can apply to Allah who is limited by man's limitations. What man cannot do, Allah can also not do.

God wanted to help man, and the only way He could help man was to come among men. Anyone who sees God would die. Hence God has to take human form to execute His plan of salvation to help man.

Jesus was just a mere messanger like you, yet He gave life to birds of clay according to your Quran. If you said Allah permitted it, how many people has Allah permitted such for? Not even your mohammed. Think now. Think my friend. If someone is deceiving you, should you deceive yourself?

Jesus is a mere human like you, yet He is the only one who never had a human father to impregnate His mother even according to your Quran. How many people on earth have ever been born that way? If you say it was the will of Allah? Why did Allah do it. Why did Allah make one man without a human father? Ask questions now?

Jesus is human like you yet He is the one who never died according to your Quran, and He is coming back to the world to judge mankind:

The Hadith of Abu Hurariah (Sahih Bukhari 4:55:657) says,

“… surely (Jesus), the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind…”

Why would Jesus judge the world if He too was a man like you? Is God not supposed to be the judge? The Judge of the world is God, and that God is Jesus Christ. Or tell me why Jesus would judge the world if He's human like you.

Jesus is human like you, yet mohammed is dead while Jesus is still alive today. Why?

If you're being deceived, should you deceive yourself? Remove the Islamic bias from your mind and search the truth for yourself. I was once a Muslim. My father became a Christian and I became a Christian too. But at a point in time, I sat down to see if my father's religion was the truth or Islam. My Christianity today is not because my father became a Christian but because I encountered Jesus. There was a time I was nether Christian nor Muslim because I was searching for truth.

Why should only Jesus be the only one born of the Word of Allah and of the Spirit of Allah? Why the special treatment if He was meant to be as ordinary as any other person? Ask questions and be wise. What is the essence of being born by Word and Spirit without a human father only to be as ordinary as Expanse2020? Why would Allah do all that just to make someone who is as ordinary as any other person?

If someone is deceiving you, don't deceive yourself. God has the ability to be God and man at the same time. Humans cannot do it, that does not mean it's impossible for God too.

Jesus is human like you, yet He is the only one recorded in the Bible and Quran to be sinless and extremely righteous? Why?

Why all these unusual qualities for only one man? Think my friend.

MightySparrow:
He was saying God has no form and therefore He is invisible


That's exactly what I first mentioned. Reading with objective. How can a being without shape have a face or back parts. Jesus said no one has seen His shape, not that He is shapeless like Amoeba.

John.5.37 - And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jesus was telling the people around him that they had not seen or heard His voice. He was not saying no one else. I can't see the OP's argument here.


Later people heard His voice na!
John.12.28 - Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.


What should be a concern is the claim that no this:

Luke.10.22 - All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.


No one knows the Father nor the Son but by revelation.

Paul we all take as authority as Apostle to the gentiles said that that he might know him


Is it any GB or one Mohammed that knows Him?

Yeah. That's exactly my position.

Regarding Paul's knowledge of God, Paul knows that God is infinite. Whatever you know of God is still infinitesimally small compared to what you could potentially know of Him.

So, no one knows God enough. We must keep learning God for all eternity.

Expanse2020:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ehen so those tinder we they see up and down in the clouds could your God speaking

Who told you that thunder is God speaking? Do you need to go back to school?

If I speak to you with a thunderous voice, does that mean I'm the one who speaks whenever you hear thunder claps? Why are you asking such a childish question? Because you want to mock? You're mocking to the detriment of your own soul.

Your salvation has been provided through the sacrifices Jesus made on the cross. You might accept or reject it. But know for sure that Jesus sacrificed Himself for you so that you can have eternal life with God. No man would see God without being washed by the blood of Christ.

Expanse2020:
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The soul is trouble be bawo no be the purpose the bible he came for why bros j de beg he no won die🤣🤣🤣, baba de beg on top 3by4 wood... I taught he is God please am confused here...
Who is your God begging here again🤣🤣🤣🤣
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People even confused from God voice to angel voice🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂 some said na angel voice and some say na thunder 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kiriyo àti irọ

It seems you're deliberately antagonizing your own soul. Keep it up.

If people are confused about whose voice they heard, whether it was that of an angel or God, is their confusion your confusion too? Jesus was conversing with God, and God replied Him openly, and the people heard it. Whatever they made of the voice does not negate the fact that Jesus was conversing with the Father and the Father replied.

If your dad speaks to you and I hear his voice like that of an angel or thunder, does that mean that you father never speaks to you? May God open your ears and eyes.

The Father and the Son are one but while Jesus was on earth, He was dependent on the Father and on the Holy Ghost as a man. May God give you understanding.

MightySparrow:
One of the insincerity of men is not being objective in the interpretation of the Bible. None of the scriptures here or elsewhere contradict the claim of Jesus that no one had seen the Father. However, the Father showed Himself to people, making them to 'sleep ' or putting them in a sort of trance. This happened in the case of Abraham and in Genesis 15, during the making of covenant. Abraham knew something happened. He was conscious but not with his naked eyes. The same in Exodus 24. The same at the month of transfiguration. Think of it, of what significance is the transfiguration to the disciples? They couldn't stand the glory of Jesus. If Jesus is an ordinary man or mere Angel, why glory, which glory was He asking the Father to give Him af of right and possession?
Isaiah 6 clearly points to Jesus as explained by John in 12. John saw His glory and spoke about Him. Only in Isiah 6 is Seraph mentioned as seen somebody on the Throne. It mentioned about Jesus. In Revelation, there are no two Thrones guided by Cherubim and Seraphim in the Bible, towards the end. Only Jesus was seen there.

In all Father, Jesus (Man or Word) reason His name is Word not clearly known. Spirit represented severally by dove, lightning, seven headed candle stick, olive tree or leaves, eyes. These are symbols. All are beings. Everyone entity in heaven is a spirit including the Father. Devil is a spirit, angels are spirits, demons are spirits,. If there is a spirit called Holy Spirit, It can only be a being like others. If a being, It can only be The Father or The Son or a separate entity or part of a class. The idea that other spirits are beings but only Holly Spirit is a force is unimaginable.


My submission, trying to defend the identity of The Son or The Holy Spirit, the part of Godhead that interact with humans directly or by influence is not worth it. I am safe with the doctrine of Trinity. Deut. 29:29. Anyway, many people including in Bible people write all manners or think about God. Job and his friends thought they knew God, all of them were wrong. Solomon claimed God said,' He was going to dwell in darkness'; elsewhere, He said to dwell in unapproachable light . In Yoruba land, as many others we eulogize God with falsified words like He has crown on His head; . In any vision, no one ever saw the Father with any crowns. .

Many even believe they think for God. What they think God cannot do, He would not. . They think for God. .Such are Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses. God takes orders from them .

You didn't address his concern.

He was saying God has no form and therefore He is invisible.

No one has seen the Father because we are in the flesh. God said to Moses 'You can't see my face because anyone who sees my face would die, but while I pass by, I'll allow you see my back. After I have covered you with my hand while passing by, I'll remove it and you'll see my back." It means God has a face and He has a back. God is not formless. He is only physically invisible. We'll see God when we put on our celestial bodies. We must not think we won't see God in heaven just because we can't see Him on earth. If God created man in His image, how can we say God has no visible form?

The only invisible person in the Trinity is the Holy Ghost. Stephen saw the heavens opened "and the son of man standing at the right hand of God." This tells you that God and the Lord Jesus' thrones in heaven are visible as noted by the two thrones in Revelation.

May God give you understanding.

Expanse2020:
Can you heard yourself when people they argue there whether is God voice or Angel and some say his voice was like thunder how did they understand the sound of thunder to be voice 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What was Jesus' response?

I understand that spiritual blindness cannot allow you see that it was God Jesus was speaking to, and it was God who replied Him, and the people heard the reply. Those who heard it like thunder make us know that Gods voice in thunderous. Psalm 89:3 describes God's voice:

"The voice of the LORD is over the waters;
The God of glory thunders;"

Expanse2020:
Since you too have heard the voice of God let us here how the voice sweet to hear ooo
Show us those people who heard the voice of God...I have made a claimed by what Jesu said in the bible and note the Jesus didn't said pharisees people you haven't heard the voice of God rather he used the general word You for all and sundry that never God voice haven't been heard

Did he say "no one has ever heard God"?

He was talking to some people. Go and read the full passage and stop being a nuisance.

There are thousands of incidences in the Bible, both old and new testament where the voice of God was heard.

There's a place in John 12:27-32

"27 “Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify your name!”

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up[g] from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die"

Expanse2020:
Can you here yourself they may not tell you because there testimony is through... They didn't see him and they conclude that the God buried him...joke of the century 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣 they just assumed

John 5: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, this is what Jesus himself said to nullify your claimed, John claimed and Deuteronomy lies being fed to your Brain

Jesus was telling the Pharisees that they have never heard the voice of God. He didn't say no one has ever heard the voice of God. Stop falsifying what Jesus said. Many people in the Bible heard the voice of God before and after Jesus came. God's voice is still being heard today.

Did I say they may not tell us because their testimony is true? Please go back and read what I said slowly. Stop saying what I did not say.

Keep deluding yourself with the words of a fake prophet called Mohammed. May God bless mercy on your soul.