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AbuTwins:
Give us reasons to believe the error in your Bible? This same sissy mummy's pet deceiver Jacob fought God and won!


Holy spirit no get network again!


If this was true Judaism would be same as Christianity! Jesus and his father died as Jews!


Holy spirit no get network again! Na to abuse our God remain!


The errors are too much! I have posted like 9 errors today and you have been running away from them!


Na Prophet Muhammad canonise the Qur'an not unknown certain church fathers decades of years after Jesus as the new testament!

All this rantings just to derail the thread show your frustrations and lack of ideas (not Holy spirit). There's nothing Holy in you!

My dear, the Bible is not a book for argumentation. If you choose to believe the lies of a man who made himself a prophet all by himself, and also enforced his prophethood by his sword, only to tell you later on that he doesn't know what shall be done to him, go ahead.

Jesus explicitly told you, "I am the way, the truth and the life." Have you ever heard any ordinary human being talk like that?

You can choose to be saved or choose to be damned. I advise you to choose salvation. Christianity doesn't save. Islam doesn't save. Arguments from morning till night don't save. Only Jesus saves. If you believe He died and rose again for your salvation, today, you will experience the joy of salvation, and the peace of God would flood your soul.

AbuTwins:
You want to turn this away from the Jacob narrative to another thing! No chance! Your Holy spirit aka devil has failed! Try again!
Where is the Proof Jacob's story is correct?

No. Giving you reasons why your Quran cannot be trusted.

Where are the proofs they wrote the Books?

Where are proofs they didn't write the books.

Copied means copied! Where did the Qur'an copied the Bible? If it was copied then how was it reinvented? Which Zabur was copied from the Bible? The Injeel, Torah and Zabur is lost! So where did you see your own Zabur? Show us what was copied and what was reinvented? Show us the Bible as it is today exists in Arabia during the Prophet's time?

The Old Testament and the New are of the same books and written by the same line of authors with the same theme
So, it's absurd to say they copied. Do you expect them to bring some new writings? A copycat can actually reinvented by muddling true stories with lies as done in the quoran.

This can be proven from the Bible. Paul said "Satan is the God of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4!

Yes, Satan, aka Allah is the god of this world. It was Jesus who first mentioned Satan as the god of this world. Not Paul.

Same scribes and copyists that made so many mathematical errors still found in your Bibles today? I dare you to address the errors!

https://www.nairaland.com/8087891/another-copyist-mathematical-error-bible

https://www.nairaland.com/8087959/8-copyist-errors-bible-check

The Bible didn't fall from heaven. It was not written by God directly. It was written by men whom God moved to write. Imperfect humans wrote the Bible. They can make errors but God still uses those errors as mediums of blessings and transformation for the world.

How does letters get canonized as scriptures?

The same way historical records and prophetic records were canonised as scriptures. They contain divine guidance and wisdom that nourish the spirit of man.

Christianity!

AbuTwins left all the errors of his unholy book, the scientific blunders, the historical nonsenses, the s
Biological inadequacies, and the fact that nobody has ever been transformed or made a new man by that satanic religion. The only thing his religion has given the world is bloodshed and terrorism, starting from the murderous Mohammed and the violent life he lived. Being unperturbed by them, he starts to criticize the Bible that has an unquantifiable record of turning murderers into lovely humans, prostitutes to saints and even armed robbers have become preachers, with men of the occult renouncing occultism after their encounters with the Living Jesus.

How can someone love a dead murderous Mohammed and reject the Ever Loving and Living Jesus?

Islam!!!

AbuTwins:
You made the claim that your Bible is correct and the Qur'an false! So prove it using external resources outside the Bible.

How can the Quran be correct when it's written by by a murderous prophet who claims an angel spoke to him. He had no witness whatsoever. Only him saw and heard an angel. The paedophile was also accused of stealing. Made serious historical and scientific blunders and hated the Jews with passion, meanwhile claiming their prophets as the prophets of Islam. The life of Mohammed itself is a testament to the falsehood in the Quran.

The Bible was written by several authors over a period of about 4,000yrs among numerous witnesses. There was no religious motive in writing the Bible. You can trust it because it was written solely for record keeping. Not for promoting any religion. You are the who should prove to us that your Quran is true after we have seen the corrupt life of Mohammed and historical and scientific blunders of the man. Who were his witnesses for the angelic visits he claimed? Only him made himself a prophet, and enforced it by his sword.

The New Testament authors copied from the old testament authors. The Qur'an didn't copy anything from your Bible. Otherwise all the errors would have been copied along with it.

The New Testament is a continuation of the Old Testament. What do you mean by the term 'copied'? The Quran copied a lot from the Bible and then reinvented the wheel. Many parts of the zubar ware copied from the Bible. Especially from Psalm 2 and Psalm 37. There are many things copied from the Bible by the Quran.

Satan appeared among the sons of God in Job. He had access to your God. He even whined him to tempt Job! That's in the Bible not Qur'an! We seek refuge from Allah from the accursed Satan! Who was writting down the Israel records?

Satan is Allah. No doubt . The story of Job is a true story of God's goodness in rewarding steadfastness and unwavering faith.

Scribes and Recorders are responsible for writing down histories especially in the days of the kings. You'll see that several times in the Bible. Infact, some of the Scribes and Recorders are mentioned by names.

So the New Testament was written for people who have the trinitarian mindset. Na them get Holy Spirit!

The New Testament was not written as a religious book, just like the Old Testament. It mostly contains letters that were written to a certain man or some groups of people to educate them or to clarify certain misunderstandings.

AbuTwins:
That's according to Paul's letters or Paul's companions Luke. Peter never wrote his own statement about the altercations. In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right, until someone comes forward and cross-examines. Proverbs 18:17. If Paul could write a letter to the Galatians informing them of the hypocrisy of Peter and other Big Apostles, then i think Peter and others were hypocrites! It was a letter! Think about it. You wrote a letter and you include such in it.

Yes, he can use Peter as an example to teach biblical truths. That's Christianity. We are taught that even the mighty do fall. Therefore everyone must take herd lest he falls. No one should ever think he can be righteous by his own might.

According to modern scholarship, there is a debate regarding the authorship of the Second Epistle of Peter (2 Peter). While some scholars believe that Peter, the apostle, wrote the letter, most New Testament scholars regard 2 Peter as a forgery. They argue that it was likely written by someone else using Peter's name. The basis for this conclusion is that the writing style and content of 2 Peter differ significantly from Peter's other writings. Additionally, historical evidence and analysis of the language used in the letter suggest a later date than Peter's lifetime. Therefore, the majority of scholars today do not attribute the authorship of 2 Peter to Peter himself.

We do not care about modern scholars raised by Satan. That's their opinion. Several other scholars disagree with them.

Na doctor John wrote that one!

Whoever you believed wrote it doesn't concern me. The fact is that the disciples all disobeyed Jesus. Jesus had to appear to them after His resurrection to reprimand them. John was also among.

Not really! It shows Jesus too could make mistakes and send someone else to correct it.

Unintelligent submission. It shows humans are imperfect and that we all need constant help of God and the loving rebuke of brethren to keep doing the will of God.

Is that what the verse really said?

Luke was a companion of Paul. So what do you expect. It is clear from the writings.

Luke didn't write as a companion of Paul. He wrote to someone to.imtimate him about the Gospel and showed how Paul began as a murderer and how the church started in Jerusalem and spread outside of it.

Thank you! Even Jesus too was ignorant. He would have removed Judas and appoint Paul in absentia!

Another unintelligent submission taken from corrupted theology. God calling a man does not make the man a perfect man. Even after God has called you, you still have the responsibility to guide your heart against sinfullness. God's call or prophethood is not an immunity to sin.

This is false!
See Paul's letter to Gala i quoted before:
This issue arose because some false brothers had come in under false pretenses to spy on our freedom in Christ Jesus, in order to enslave us. Who are they?

We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you. But as for the highly esteemed — whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not show favoritism — those leaders added nothing to me. What is this?

The argument was on circumcision. Not Paul's apostleship. Some Jews who were also followers of Christ wanted the gentiles to be circumcised according to the law of Moses. Paul, Barnabas and a few others argued against it before Peter and James cleared the air on the matter. There was no fight. Everyone was just stating his opinion!

On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted to preach the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised. Paul lied here! Peter was for the uncircumcised too!

Is he supposed to have written the disagreements and such accusations as a letter to his church if they had solved it amicably?

It was a narration of an event to establish a point of discussion. It wasn't an accusation. Go and read the whole chapter.

Wetin be this?
Yes, Peter was a hypocrite. Jesus did call him Satan in Matthew 16:23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.” Peter did deny Jesus three times! Matthew 26:69-75

And Jesus said And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Matthew 16:18

Jesus made this mistake as the church was built on Paul!

Unintelligent submissions. I don't like discussing unintelligent topics as this honestly. They're better ignored. But I'll tell you this:

God does not use perfect people. He takes imperfect people and turns them into useful instruments in His hands. There's no perfect man in the whole world. The Bible is a book of how God took imperfect men and made them useful for His purpose. That's why God can use anybody. He is not limited by man's imperfections.

AbuTwins:
Give us Proof that the story of Jacob is true according to the Bible!

At least we agree the Qur'an didn't copy your Bible here! But the Biblical story of Jacob is a poor one! I doubt it has any good lesson to pick out!


The Qur'an once again is not a story book! It is a religious Book and is God-centric! All this accusations about Allah can be reciprocated and you won't like it.

Satan didn't write any book except Paul that masquerades Satan as Angel of light 2 Corinthians 11:14!

Give us proof that the story of Jacob is true according to the Quran. How do Muslims even reason? So, if you tell me about your father, I should start asking you for proof because I believe what a stranger said about your father than you his son? How do you even reason?

The Quran copied many things from the Bible. No one said everything in the Quran was copied from there. There are other books the Quran copied from as well.

The Quran is a religious book from Satan, that's why it's full of lies. God didn't create any religion, and He will never create any religion. Only Satan does. So, the Bible wasn't originally written for religious purposes. The first parts were just history and record keepings for Israel as they journeyed through life.

We have the lessons of grace and the need for self endurance. Try searching the nets for the lessons it contains. It's very rich but your ordinary eyes won't see anything. The Bible is an ordinary book to ordinary eyes. They can't see anything even when it is laid bare before them in plain sight.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you agree with your friend that the name JEHOVAH belongs to a demon?

YES or NO.

I want you to put him to shame first before we continue our discussion let him know what that name stands for it doesn't matter who is using it rightly or wrongly now it's what that name stands for!

You're derailing the thread. That's not what we're discussing.

I really want to know how you got convinced that you've not been lied to. The extra-JW researches you've made and all that.

Don't bring a question from nowhere about what someone said about Jehovah God.

[quote author=AbuTwins post=129883546][/quote]Peter didn't lie. You're the one saying what Peter didn't say

Peter said "I'm the first one who God choose to speak to the Gentiles". He didn't say, "I'm the one God chose."

And God actually sent many, not Paul alone. You're just embarrassing yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
What do you believe about the name JEHOVAH?

Your refusal to speak on that ends our discussion!

That's not the topic of discussion.

We know by the lies and falsehoods of JWs that the name Jehovah they're using is deceptive. Using the name of God as a coverup for deception.

If you are truly witnesses of Jehovah, you would not reject what Jehovah has written, create a new book and submit yourselves to the authority of satanist leaders without questioning.

Indeed, Satan manifests himself as an agent of light.

AbuTwins:
I agree with you on your Bible! The Qur'an is revealed a religion book! The Torah was revealed as a religious Book! Even the Injeel was inspired as a religious doctrine!


Who are the Israelites that were recording the stories?

You're the one who said the books were not written by Moses, I didn't make any assertion to you regarding that, did I? If you have made that statement, don't make it an empty statement. Back it up with proofs.
You made the claim that i was wrong! So prove me wrong! Show us how Moses wrote the Pentateuch?
Show us who wrote the other Books too!

The thread is not about the Qur'an or Islam. As i said before, any abuse to my personality (myself, Islam, etc) will be reported!
You can always create your thread about your topics but not on my threads!

So, you want me to believe the empty words you spoke without proving those words?

This thread is not about the Quran or Islam but it's about the history recorded in the Bible as compared to that of the Quran.

Don't run away from the truth that the histories recorded in the Quran are false. The lies are very unintelligent as depicted by the Mariam and Samaritan stories. The Quran cannot be trusted. The writer is Satan, the liar - aka Allah.

AbuTwins:
Jesus did commission only the 12! And he promised them thrones with him! Where was Paul then?

So All Jesus's appointed disciples are hypocrites! Since we should believe Paul then Jesus was mistaken to have commissioned them!

Paul didn't say all of them were hypocrites. He accused them of practicing hypocrisy during an event. That does not make them hypocrites. To be an hypocrite, you must practice hypocrisy continuously. They themselves took the rebuke in good faith. They had no problems with Paul. Peter even recommend Paul's Writings and called them scriptures in his later years. 2 Peter was written when Peter was already old and approaching his death.

Jesus also rebuked the disciples after commissioning them and found them fishing in John 21.

Jesus commissioning you doesn't mean you're no longer human and cannot make mistakes. Your entire theology is corrupted.

[b]Peter said in Acts 15:7 that he is to call the Gentiles![/b
After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. Acts 15:7

Paul did lied to be sent to Gentiles and accused Peter & others of hypocrisy!

Peter said he was the first person God used to speak to the Gentiles. Not that he was the one sent to them. Stop lying.

Paul was not the first person to say he was sent to the Gentiles. Luke recorded what Jesus told Ananias about Paul, that He was sending Paul to the Gentiles.

The issue was that Jesus did made a mistake in selecting 12 unlettered Apostles from around Galilee to represent him!
Paul was lettered! Hence he just used his literacy to envelop the other apostles of Jesus!
He started writing letters spreading his own form of Christianity everywhere!

You're very ignorant.

Paul submitted himself totally to the authority of the Apostles. That doesn't mean he'll look away whenever they err.

Paul wrote letters, not everywhere but only to the people he personally bright to the faith. All the letters Paul wrote were written from prison to the people he preached the Gospel to, to guide them in his absence. He didn't write letters everywhere.

Even Peter on who Jesus said his church would be build became a hypocrite!

Paul described the event in which Peter behaved hypocritically. Peter never denied it. Barnabas who.was Paul's companion also behaved hypocritically in the same event. Bananas didn't deny it too.

You want Peter to be portrayed , and not his exact attitude recorded as in your quran? No! The Bible is based on truths. Not portrayal.

Peter behaved hypocritically as recorded but the slave of Allah the liar is angry at someone who called a spade a spade.

AbuTwins:
You should have mentioned me appropriately!

Jesus Promised the twelve disciples twelve thrones with him! Was Paul among them? No!
Matthew 19:28
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation 21:14
The wall of the city had twelve foundations bearing the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Now Paul was not among the twelve! He was never tutored nor given authority by Jesus! He asserts himself as an apostle, specifically as a self appointed apostle to the Gentiles!

Jesus never said only the 12 disciples can teach the Gospel.

And you skipped where Paul called them hypocrites?

He didn't say it behind them, he said it to their faces.

God gave Peter to preach to the Gentiles! When did God recant the order?

Show us where God did. I mean where God explicitly told Peter that he has been commissioned to preach to the Gentiles.

Peter said in Acts 15:7 that he is to call the Gentiles!
After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.

He was referring the Cornelius episode in Acts 10. He even narrated the event during this same meeting.

I think Galatians 2:1-14 Paul sums up the fight at the Council at Jerusalem very well!
It is clear!

There was no fight at the Jerusalem council. Only arguments until Peter and James spoke. Why lying like your Allah?

AbuTwins:
Bible is a book of selective history! The Qur'an is the word of Allah not history book!

This is a lie. The Bible does not do this. If it does try and solve the mathematical error in the Bible here https://www.nairaland.com/8087891/another-copyist-mathematical-error-bible

Show us the lies he lied about Jacob? They you should proof they are lies outside your Bible?

Again, a hypocritical assertion without proof!


No, the burden of proof shouldn't be from but from you!
Show us the Proofs Moses wrote the Pentateuch on his own even his Obituary !

The Bible was not originally written as a book for religion Get it right. So, there's nothing personal about the writings as far as the writers were concerned.

The Israelites were just simply recording their histories for their next generations to learn from . Nothing more, nothing less. Hence, there are no unnecessary assertions to make someone look good or bad, but to truthfully tell history to their children..

Allah is Satan, so yes, he created a religion through Mohammed and had to portray people the way they were not, because he wanted to create a religion. This has led to many lies.

For example, Allah says a Samaritan was among the group of people that followed Moses to Canaan from Egypt. But we know that the tribe people called Samaritans never existed in Moses' time, they came into existence in the days of Omri who reigned as king in Jerusalem more than 2,000 years after Moses. Intact, the founder of Samaria was Omri. Allah fumbled big time. A very unintelligent liar.

Allah also thoght that Mariam the sister of Aaron was the mother of Jesus. He never knew that the two Marys were different. Mary the mother of Jesus lived about 2,500yrs after Mariam the sister of Aaron. Another big blunder by the lying Allah.

There are many Historical blunders in the Quran by Allah. Just like this Jacob issue we're discussing here. He's trying to portray Jacob instead of telling us exactly what Jacob did. Allah cannot be trusted. He lies unintelligently.

You're the one who said the books were not written by Moses, I didn't make any assertion to you regarding that, did I? If you have made that statement, don't make it an empty statement. Back it up with proofs.

AbuTwins:
Jacob is the English translation of course! Arabic is Ya'qub, Hebrew is Ya'akov! Of what use is that? The Qur'an is not a history book. As i said in the final statements of the post, the Qur'an is Allah-focused not people focused!

It's useful because we can use that extensive knowledge to differentiate someone telling true history from the one fabricating lies to create a religion.

How do you know it is truthfully telling you anything? The fact is that Jacob is portrayed as a sissy! God's blessings can be snatched by deceit. Even Isaac and Rebekah were poor role models unbefitting of a Godly family!

Portrayal is not fact. The Bible didn't make any attempt to portray anyone as anything. The Bible tells you what happened exactly the way it happened. You can make whatever you like of it. The Israelites are supposed to be ashamed of such an ancestor as their progenitor but truth must prevail, and they must declare all facts as they are.

3,000 yrs later, Mohammed came, not to tell true history but to portray. In an attempt to portray Jacob as a prophet of Islam, he had to tell lies because he was more about portrayal rather than exact rendition of events.

You need proof to make this assertion and you have none! Abraham's son Isaac was a Prophet in Islam as well as Jacob and then Joseph. They were all good role models in Islam. Biblically they are mostly poor role models!

The person who wrote it was not a Jew. Thank you for trying to portray them as good models. But what we want is the truth of their lives. Not the way we want them to be portrayed. We want truth , not portrayal.

Let's say you are aggrieved but you shouldn't cry here! Falsehood is falsehood. The Old Testament was not even written by Moses!
The first five books of the Old Testament (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) are traditionally attributed to Moses. However, modern scholarship suggests that these books are a compilation of multiple sources known as the JEDP sources (Jahwist, Elohist, Deuteronomist, Priestly sources). Make i hold up small!

Please prove that the books were not written by Moses, and I'll scatter your proofs in just one swipe.

All these distorted rants prove one thing - Islam is Satanism packaged as religion from God to deceive humans.

Luke wrote extensively about Peter and Paul. Let's hear what Luke said:

Jesus Sent Ananias to Paul after Paul's Damascus Encounter with Jesus:

Acts 26
"Now there was a certain disciple at Damascus named Ananias; and to him the Lord said in a vision, “Ananias.”

And he said, “Here I am, Lord.”

11 So the Lord said to him, “Arise and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, for behold, he is praying. 12 And in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in and putting his hand on him, so that he might receive his sight.”

13 Then Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much [a]harm he has done to Your saints in Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.”

15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children[b] of Israel. 16 For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name’s sake.”

17 And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord [c]Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized."

Paul and Barnabas Were Commissioned in Antioch

Acts 13
"Now there were in the church at Antioch prophets and teachers, Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger,[a] Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen a member of the court of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 While they were worshipping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 Then after fasting and praying they laid their hands on them and sent them off."


The Elders (Including Peter and James) Send Paul and Barnabas Back With a Letter to the Gentiles[ after They Brought Reports Regarding their Missionary Journey

Acts 15

"Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:"


Peter Approves of Paul and Referred to Paul's Writings as Scripture

2 Peter 3
"Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord to be salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. "


Paul Never Put Himself among the !2. Rather He Called Himself the Least of the Apostles

1 Corinthians 15:9
"For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

Paul Recognized Apostles Who Were Before Him, Even those Who Were Not Among the 12

He was not proud at all:

Romans 16:7
"Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was."

When Peter said, "God at the first choose him to bring the message to the Gentiles "

He meant that God chose him as the first person to speak to the Gentiles - talking about the Cornelius mission. He was telling the anti-gentile Jews that God used him to open the door, or set the pace for preaching to the Gentiles which normally would never have happened. He did not mean that he was the one commissioned to teach the Gentiles. He actually never preached among the Gentiles other than the one he did with Cornelius and his household. He clearly left the Gentile preaching to someone who was fully called for that purpose - Paul. Peter spent his entire life in Jerusalem among the Jews because he was sent to the Jews, not the Gentiles.

AbuTwins:
Jacob from the Bible vs the Qur'an

The Biblical story portrays Jacob as a sissy!
Jacob and Rebecca his mother deceived Isaac, mother discriminated between her sons, Poor role models, Poor Parenting, deception, stealing, Extreme naivety

Jacob was over 40 years when he stole Esau's blessings, yet he seems to be a mummy's pet, weak and not having a mind of his own! He was even tricked by his father in law to marry Leah instead of Rachel. He then had to serve more years to marry later have Rachel his true love!





Finally the worldly concept of blessing that was stolen by Jacob!
All Blessings comes from God! Who can steal from God?
The Bible shows that the blessing meant for a creation can be stollen with deceit and mischief! The blessing in this case is similar to that of Prophethood!

Allah says in the Qur'an:
Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and Al­Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], 'Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Harun (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawud (David) We gave the Zabur (Psalms).

Allah refutes the claim that Jacob stole his brother's blessing from his father Prophet Isaac!
Allah chooses whoever He wills as His anointed Prophet and this choice can not be influenced by any mischief/evil ever!
Joseph did not steal this same blessing from his other brothers! Allah choose him as His Prophet from amongst them!



Jacob on the death Bed (Biblical Narration)


Jacob on the death Bed (Islamic Narration)


Did Jacob preached to his sons at his death bed to worship one God or foretold their future and prayed for them?

While the Bible can be see as largely ethnocentric and people-centric, the Qur'an is seen as Allah-centric!

Summary!
Jacob in the Bible is portrayed as being a sissy, a deceiver and a thief!
Jacob in the Qur'an is portrayed as a righteous Prophet and one devoted to God's worship!

Do you think the Qur'an copied the Bible in this regard?

Where did the Quran get the name 'Jacob' from? The Quran should tell us the grandparents of Jacob who lived before Abraham. I'll like to check something. Who were the forefathers of Abraham?

The Bible told the stories of Abraham's forefathers up to the generation of Jacob. Truthfully telling us the every good and bad things the Israeli progenitor did without mincing words is the height of honesty. Mohammed came to distort that history and replaced it with falsehood. It doesn't matter whether he painted Jacob as a good or bad man. A lie is a lie, no matter how it is presented.

That's the history of the Israelites recorded over 3,000yrs before the false prophet of islam came to invent his own story.

Courz:
Wow. They were praying for her to get well not knowing she was already on her way home. That's why she told them to stop. Wonderful. This is why I love watching and listening to Real life testimonies.

Yes bro. I pity those who think there's no life after death, and especially those who think hell does not exist.

MaxInDHouse:
I was never a Christian until i heard of what is called "Christians Soldiers" it really sound funny because the man called CHRIST is Jesus of Nazareth who never encouraged his friends to use weapons against anyone! Matthew 26:52

So i kept the word to myself thinking it was just a joke but when i met JEHOVAHS WITNESSES and heard all their teachings and the way they're conducting themselves i realize that these are the real soldiers of Christ as they will sell everything they had to own a copy of the Bible {Luke 22:36} which the scriptures refers to SPIRITUAL SWORD {Ephesians 6:17} they are up and doing in the assignment Jesus gave his disciples {Matthew 28:19-20} and anyone that accepts their teachings will also become a friend of peace! Matthew 10:16; Act 1:8

Do you know a better performing group than this?

Yeah, there are many better performing groups than this but that's not how to know the true followers of Christ. I'm afraid you judged the group using a wrong method.

Now, tell me how you confirmed that what the group has been teaching you is the truth. Tell me how you researched outside of the group's resources to see if there's anything the group isn't telling you. Tell me how you have compared the group's Bible to original manuscripts of Scripture to ensure you are not being cheated. I'll like to know how you arrived at your conviction that this particular group has not been deceiving you.

If you're judging their teachings by their teachings, you have made a mockery of your soul.

Courz:
He reasons and acts like a 5 year old. When he sees you are right about everything but is too ashamed to back down, he takes you on a merry go round or starts singing. This is why no one takes JWs seriously. They can't really explain why there are discrepancies in their doctrines. I have posted their manipulated verses, they all did as if they didn't see anything because they are too ashamed to address it.

If they're ashamed to address the discrepancies in their Bible, it would have been better. Such shame should lead to wholesome retrospections and eventual discovery of truth. But I'm afraid, these guys aren't ashamed of anything. They're aware of the lies, they can't defend many of the lies but they've sold their souls to Satan, and must do Satan's bidding no matter what. Rather than accept the truth of the Word of God, they constantly reject it and fight against it in defence of the obviously false doctrines they're peddling about.

MaxInDHouse:
You're deceiving yourself if you can't present a group having that opinion Jesus formed a group and taught them what they should go about teaching others! Matthew 10:11-13

So what is the name of your church as that's what different religions call themselves today?

There are many groups formed and teaching people divers things. Yours is just one of them. Jesus never said a group teaching people is the proof of a Godliness or true followership , did He? Give me scripture references where Jesus said so.

Why are you trying to injure your soul using such a weak point to determine true followership when the group is teaching you falsehoods and leading you straight to hell with false doctrines and man-made teachings?

Courz:
FxMasterz, Talking about the topic of discussion, I have come across testimonies from Nurses who have worked and cared for dying patients. To prove that there is an afterlife, the Nurses said they have experienced or seen strange things while caring for dying patients. Some claim they see an entity moving from room to room. When it leaves one room, the patient there dies. They say this usually happens with patients who are not believers or do not have a relationship with God and Jesus or Lukewarm Christians or people who have lived bad lives. They say that when such a patient is about to die, they usually panic and act as if they are seeing things we cannot see or as if someone is in the room trying to grab them. It is believed to be the Angel of Death coming to take them to Hell. That's how they knew that the patient wasn't a believer or had lived a bad life. When some Christian Nurses see this , they try to pray for the patient and preach to him or her to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. The stubborn patients will say No and end up dying in panic mode While the others that accept the prayer, give their life to Christ. When this happens, the patient dies peacefully sometimes with a smile on their face. Sometimes when a patient is in panic mode and the Nurse prays for him or her, the patient calms down and dies peacefully.

In the case of patients who are Believers who lived a Godly life, their passing is usually peaceful and when they are very close to death, they start to see Angels in the room either comforting them as they are in Pain or waiting for them to usher them to Heaven. Sometimes, the patients claim they are seeing Jesus in the room. Someone gave an experience of her mother who claimed that she is seeing Jesus and that Jesus is asking her if she is ready. Some patients start to raise their hand as if to hold an invisible hand.When she said yes, her mother died.

Why the patients see these things is because at the point of death, the Veil is lifted so that they can see what we can't see.

This is epic. Quite educative.

Makes me remember a lady who owns a big store in Ogbomoso where I went to buy materials for my wedding stuff when I was preparing for wedding years ago.

Someone took me to the store, and I was wondering how such a young lady would own such an expansive store.

My friend who took me there narrated to me that the store was originally owned by the lady's mother who died some few months ago.

She narrated that, the woman was sick, and many of her church members came around to pray for her. She was already at the point of death, and fervent prayers were being said on her behalf in the hospital.

Then suddenly, she signalled them to stop praying. She told them that their prayers are hindering her from departing to her glorious home she's already seeing afar. She told them to let her go. The prayers stopped and the woman died few minutes afterwards.

The stories told by the nurses are authentic.

MaxInDHouse:
YES!

Now, provide details.

MaxInDHouse:
Your opinion is none of my business nah!

It's not my opinion. That's the opinion of the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Ask your friend to tell you what he thinks about the name JEHOVAH!

How does that concern the questions I asked you, or the falsehoods in your doctrines I'm trying to open your eyes to?

MaxInDHouse:
Who are the so called "WE"?

Perhaps you also agree with your friend that the spirit called JEHOVAH is a demon too!

All I know is that you are teaching lies because you have been brought up in falsehood.

MaxInDHouse:
So why lying that you've answered the questions i asked you?

So, what questions have I not answered apart from this new irrelevant questions you asked?

Meanwhile, you've not answered any question I asked you.

Courz:
Is this what FxMasterz asked of you? Why are dodging his questions? Are we talking about what the horses represent or Hades/Hell? You are busy typing irrelevant epistles. The 1914 you quoted there, is it in the Bible? Answer his questions jare!

Bro, I weak o.

Courz:
He is busy typing useless epistles about the four Horsemen when the topic of discussion is Hell. I told you he won't say anything tangible than to pour out all the nonsense Imaginations he was taught. He thinks he can dodge us anyhow.

I tell you bro. I can't imagine that an adult is behaving this way.

MaxInDHouse:
The FOUR HORSE RIDERS!

According to Jesus he will return and during his presence on the earth there will be:

WARS!
FOOD SHORTAGES!
PESTILENCES! Matthew 24:7

So how does this relate to the four horse riders?

Before the year 1914 Charles Taze Russell and his group known back then as the International Bible Students Association has been proclaiming that the year 1914 will turn out to be a remarkable year in history though they don't know what exactly will happen.

But in the year 1914 Jesus began ruling in heaven and instantly he led the angels in heaven to drive away Satan and all demons {Revelations 12:7-8} since his ascension to the heaven he sat at God's right hand {Psalms 110:1 compare to Act 7:56} the year 1914 after sending Satan and demons packing the evil spirits came to the earth {Revelations 12:9} immediately the earth felt the presence of these aliens that's why there was a world war.

Now the four horse riders:
Jesus is the first horse rider on the white horse leading the International Bible Students to go throughout the world preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom as they were conquering by penetrating all the nations! Revelations 6:1-2

The second horse rider is the condition the inhabitants of the earth finds themselves as people started killing people and only Jesus' true disciples International Bible Students refused but all other religions were encouraging their members to support the war! Revelations 6:3-4


The third horse rider is another condition that follows the war as all resources and manpower the nations supposed to direct to agriculture wars wasted on the war so there was food shortages throughout the earth! Revelations 6:5-6

The fourth horse rider is another condition as malnutrition and diseases caused by the carcasses war victims spread across the globe leading to the death of millions that the wars missed! Revelations 6:7-8


All the first three horse riders had sound horses means they are fast in their delivery but the fourth horse rider has a sickly horse meaning he's not moving fast like the first three so people keep dying not as speedy as the children born that's why the population of the earth kept increasing despite all the things causing death and mass burial here and there!

So how come Hell is said to be following death closely?

Well the way people are dying burial is ongoing globally but not so fast and rampant it's only those whose relatives are affected that knows what is really happening.

That's the meaning of the four horse riders only one depicts a living spirit and that's Jesus who is leading Jehovah's Witnesses globally in the preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom! Matthew 28:18-20

That's not what I asked you.

Again, how did you confirm that your leaders were telling you the truth? Have you ever researched outside of your books to be sure you're not being deceived? Are you a Berean or a Thessalonian?

Aemmyjah:
What did you say earlier about Hades I quoted from the Bible

What did you quote, and what was my response?

Aemmyjah:
So a beggar who is just a beggar is guaranteed for heaven and a rich man is for hell shey?
Then that means that heaven and hell are within talking distance and people can literally fit into one man's bosom

It was the Lord Jesus who made the parable. Are you trying to make a mockery of Him? Is entrance into heaven or hell determined by riches or poverty? Is it impossible for a son to relax his head in the bossom of his father? Have you been to heaven or hell before to know whether they do communicate or not, or to know the distance between the two?

Again, I ask
Where did Jesus go to on the day he died?

"Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water." (1 Peter 3:18-20)

"They are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.” (1 Peter 4:4-6)

Courz:
He will so disappoint you in his reply. JWS don't answer questions like these. They only run around them in circles. Ask him about the mentioned verses they twisted in their Bible , he will run away.

I'm still waiting for his answers.

MaxInDHouse:
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. Colossians 1:15-16

So you've not answered the question!

Are you saying both God and Jesus don't know who created Mr DEATH yet it is killing people including all servants of God and Jesus Christ himself?
Ok whose will is this strange being doing God's will or Satan's?
At least it is the same person who is killing God's enemies too!

That's a real irrelevant question.

Romans 5:12
"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned"

That's the scripture.