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Courz:
FxMasterz, please stop answering these people. They are too ashamed to address their manipulated verses so they are latching unto you to find other useless things to talk about. They are turning the thread to War discussion thereby derailing it.

Thanks bro. Honestly, you've done a good job to expose the cult. None of its 3 members of on this forum addressed the issues you raised. They're just busy detailing the thread. Many questions thrown at them went unanswered. I'm only answering them because every post bounces up the thread and allows more people to see the the good work you've done.

Janosky:
Courz WAILING WAILER so fearful & pained that his IBERIBEISM is very glaring like sunlight.

You're not addressing the issues of your manipulated book. All of you abandoned the topic to discuss unrelated matters. Shame on you.

Janosky:
Who told you that the principle Jesus taught Peter & his followers is "brainwashed?"



Oga,I'm interested to see your Bible evidence of this your claim.
Please provide evidences from your Bible, let me verify & confirm that an Israelite king were victorious in war "without consulting God. "

Thanks.[/b]



Did Jesus teach his followers to rebel to rebel against any government?
Why would you expect him to instruct the Roman soldiers to abandon their job?


Carry your faulty logic outta here.
Is 1 Corinthians 11:23-27 in your Bible?
Bros I challenge you to provide evidence of the dangers that Paul used his sword to defend himself.
OR:
Just continue to enjoy your WAILING.

1. Read 2 Kings 14 and see how Jehoash an unfold King of Israel had military exploits.

2. There's no points you've made that has solid biblical backing. You've been brainwashed.

3. Jesus didn't teach His disciples to rebel against authority, neither did He teach His disciples never to join a nation's army.

4. Paul can't use his sword to defend himself against government. The challenge is illogical.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what JWs will do!
We will surrender and serve anyone who has proved to be greater instead of fighting to make someone great when we know that only Jesus is the King of Kings!

You will surrender even if you're asked to submit one of your two eyes as a condition. Remember that's what the king Ammon demanded for the people of Jabesh-gilead in the days of Saul.

Are you aware that some war mongers don't care about your surrender. They want to wipe you out. Keep fooling yourself.

Aemmyjah:
Ok na
Carry gun and go and kill your brothers in the name of defending your country
War no de end

Okay na. Fold your arms, don't defend yourself when an attacker attacks your country. Foolish people will never finish in this world.

MaxInDHouse:
With this it's now obvious that you're just out to deceive yourself!

Aren't Boko Haram politicians?
Well if you must know POLITICIANS are people who come to you as if they're for your good but inwardly they just want to drain your pocket and dominate you. Once they're able to brainwash some of your people to become their guards the next thing is forcing their opinions on you using weapons to threaten whoever opposes them. 1Samuel 8:10-18
Jesus commanded only his own disciples that is people who surrendered themselves to his orders so no force or weapons is involved and anyone is free to take his leave if you're no longer comfortable with his ideas! John 6:66

That's exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing, you come freely and you're also free to take your leave nobody will force you to continue obeying the rules!

Boko Haram is doing exactly what JW is doing. They are as good as JW organization. Boko Haram must be commended for doing the work of the god of JW. Case closed.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ the same thing that happened to Jericho is what the inhabitants of Gideon experienced but they acted wisely by surrendering to Israelites telling them they're ready to do whatever the Israelites says! Joshua 9:1-27

Which inhabitants of Gideon are you talking about? Gibeon my dear, not Gideon.

This is what the Gibeonites said when Joshua queried them:

They answered Joshua, “Because it was told to your servants for a certainty that the Lord your God had commanded his servant Moses to give you all the land and to destroy all the inhabitants of the land from before you—so we feared greatly for our lives because of you and did this thing."

They did it in defense of their lives, just like Rahab. Bring another scripture.

Do you know why they remain alive?

Because there was no human ruler to lead the people like zombies to their early graves had it been they had someone who wants to keep his position as their king like the people of Jericho they would have been gathered like chickens and get slaughtered by the Israelites.

A word is enough for the wise!

No, they were sent to the Israelites by their rulers. The Bible even said that Gibeon was a mighty city among the cities of the Amorites. It was a highly respected and feared kingdom.

Joshua 10:1-2
"Now Adoni-Zedek king of Jerusalem heard that Joshua had taken Ai and totally destroyed[a] it, doing to Ai and its king as he had done to Jericho and its king, and that the people of Gibeon had made a treaty of peace with Israel and had become their allies. 2 He and his people were very much alarmed at this, because Gibeon was an important city, like one of the royal cities; it was larger than Ai, and all its men were good fighters."

Stop lying against the Word of God to defend your false doctrines. Jesus preached to Soldiers and this is what He told them:

Luke 3:14
"Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?”

He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay."

Jesus said they should continue with contentment with their salaries. He didn't ask them leave the army.

Aemmyjah:
What happened to the Israelites when they went to fight without God instructions


Is the current GCFR God's representative like Moses, Joshua, David, etc?


When Peter brought out sword, it was cos of the injustice he saw that his master was about to be arrested. What did Jesus do? How many people did Peter kill after then?

My friend go and sit down. Stop all these attempts to twist scriptures. Are you talking to kids? If your organization has brainwashed you to this level, you can not infect us.

Israel fought to defend themselves and had to consult God because the nation was a theocracy. Has God ever told them to dismantle their armies and never go to war? There were several kings in Israel who fought wars without consulting God, and yet they returned victorious. It's all in the Bible.

Jesus asked Peter to put down his sword because it was not appropriate to use it at the time:

1. Don't use the sword against government. That's what Peter was doing. Jesus was against that.

2. Don't use the sword to fight against God's will. That was was Peter was doing. It was God's will for Jesus to be arrested and crucified.

Meanwhile, it was Christ who advised Peter to keep that same sword he wielded that day. Christ taught him how to balance the issues relating to self defense in that episode.

Jesus preached to Soldiers in His days:

Luke 3:14

"Soldiers also asked him, "And we, what shall we do?" And he said to them, "Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation, and be content with your wages."

Did Jesus condemn the soldiers for their profession? He even asked them to continue collecting their salaries with contentment.

Aemmyjah:
Ok na
Unlike Israel and Jericho, which country is God giving instructions to go and fight today.

You mean God has to give you instructions to defend yourself before you do?

The same Peter that Jesus warned to lay down his sword cos all those who fight with the sword will perish with it is the same Peter that won't tell him what to do with the sword?
De play

That's the same Peter Christ told to buy sword after selling his garment. The same Peter who Christ in who whose presence Christ said if He were an early ruler, His servants would fight.

Aemmyjah:
U be confam olodo
Who's talking about politicians?
Na wuna de insult us for not voting in your corrupt, oppressive politicians cos of neutrality
If soldiers focus on them is not my problem cos the military regime was equally bad


Soldier, soldier, soldiers
Now, there's, ESN, IPOB, ISWAP, UNKNOWN GUNMEN, HOODLUMS, BANDITS, KIDNAPPERS, HERDSMEN, the list is endless... Kidnapping was a term used to refer to young goats in those days, later young children... Now, villagers, school children are being kidnapped
Nigeria is well defended as we can see
Yet, na you wise pass

You're such an irredeemable nuisance.

If there are no violent and criminal elements and warmongers, there'll never be the need for soldiers. The whole world was living at peace with themselves until unscrupulous elements arose in the society which gave birth to the need to raise military defenses.

It is a sign of mental decay for anyone to reason that the emergence of soldiers gave rise to the emergence of kidnappers, etc. How can anyone be so mentally damaged?

If every warmonger and criminal element in the world turn new leaves today and become law abiding, even every military formation worldwide would be dismantled. It seems they also give you some injections in that your JW that makes you guys reason abnormally. No offence please. Just stating the fact as it is. I can't understand why a full blown adult would be reasoning like a cock.

MaxInDHouse:
Defending oneself totally differs from fighting in support of a ruler!

In the Bible we have lots of examples that we can learn from for instance during the time of Jericho the Israelites were the one attacking the city and it's written that God is supporting Israel to take over the territory. Back then there were people in Jericho who chose to fight in support of their own preferred ruler not because of their families (note that) Rahab also was an inheritant of that same city with her own families but instead of fighting against God's will she decided to support God's people with everything she had that was what saved her and her family from being wiped out.

My dear, even if JW has fed you with the nonsense you're telling me to take note of at the bolded, should you not use your own senses?

A people (Israelites) are coming to attack a town (Jericho), and you're saying the men in Jericho were fighting for their ruler, not their families. Would the attackers attack only the ruler? Please reason like a mature man now. Should you fill your head with gibberish just because someone said you should do so?

Even Rahab herself did what she did, not because of God but because of her family. She didn't know God at the time but she knew that the Israelites had an upper hand against her city, so it was just wise to broker peace with them. Here what she said:

"Before the men lay down, she came up to them on the roof and said to the men, “I know that the Lord has given you the land, and that the fear of you has fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land melt away before you. For we have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea before you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to the two kings of the Amorites who were beyond the Jordan, to Sihon and Og, whom you devoted to destruction. And as soon as we heard it, our hearts melted, and there was no spirit left in any man because of you, for the Lord your God, he is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. Now then, please swear to me by the Lord that, as I have dealt kindly with you, you also will deal kindly with my father's house, and give me a sure sign that you will save alive my father and mother, my brothers and sisters, and all who belong to them, and deliver our lives from death.”

Just read the bolded above, you'll understand the reason why Rahab acted the way she did.

Today all the nations fighting are doing so in support of human rulers none is defending anything it's a deceit!
The politicians you claim are your rulers today only want you to die for them and their families if the president of Cameroun or Togo or Niger or Republic of Benin wants to start controlling Nigeria today what the Nigerian politicians will tell you to brainwash you into sticking out your neck for them is "we need to defend our families" but the truth is they want you to fight for them so they can continue ruling over you!

Balderdash!

That's another hogwash. You mean Zelensky is fighting Russia so that he can continue ruling over the souls of Ukrainians?

Hilarious!

What sort of reasoning is this? Mr man, you've become almost irredeemable. Only Jesus can save you.

So Jesus made it clear to his disciples that it was before that worshipers of God need to fight and defend Jerusalem because that's the place where God chose for His name to be called but after he has come there is no such place again {John 4:23-24}

So, it was only Jerusalem God allowed the Israelites army to defend? SMH.

Saul the first king of Israel fought his FIRST BATTLE to defend Jabesh-gilead, not Jerusalem. The FIRST BATTLE David led was done from his enclave while hiding away from Saul. That battle was fought to defend Keilah, not Jerusalem.

God, wants people to defend themselves, not just Jerusalem. His principles have not yet changed.

from that day faithful servants of God realized that they don't have to fight in support of any nation again whoever wants to rule is none of our business all what we need is freedom to continue preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom that's coming to wipe out all human government! Daniel 2:44

So if someone tells you that you should fight to defend yourself and family ask the person who is coming to attack you? and for what reason is the attackers coming? because you're not fighting in support of any ruler whoever is coming should only grant you the freedom to preach and teach about God's Kingdom.

That's what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing!

It doesn't make sense my dear. No sense it this at all. Read your post again. When an attacker is coming against your country, he's not there to attack just your ruler. He's there to attack you with an aim either to kill you or take away your freedom. Adolph Hitler for example wanted to take away everyone's freedom and put them all under the oppressive rule of Germany. Imagine what would have happened to the world if everyone was a JW?

You've failed to answer my pertinent question:

Did Peter ask Cornelius or any other soldier in that meeting to lay down their swords just because they've become believers?

MaxInDHouse:
Boko Haram are fighting to take over power from those ruling for sure but if they're allowed to rule you will see their ruler and they will set up their own judicial system that will favor their subjects.
All politicians are terrorists it's when they're in power ruling over you that they come with the face of sheep but inwardly they're all wolves. Matthew 7:15
So think well before you stick out your neck for humans whom you don't even know their real intentions! Psalms 146:3

Balderdash!

It's seems you have a soft spot for Boko Haram. That must be because they're like JW organization. Boko Haram wants to set up its rulers like the JW rulers. If they're allowed to rule, we'll see their rulers the same way we're seeing the JW rulers.

So, now all politicians are terrorists but Boko Haram is not. Boko Haram is a good organization similar to JW organization. Shekau is just like Russel. The fighters in Boko Haram are just like Maxindhouse and Aemmyjah. No difference.

The soldiers should focus on the politicians and leave Boko Haram alone. Boko Haram is doing the work of the god of JW. Politicians are the enemies.

May God never allow foolishness visit my abode.

Aemmyjah:
Answer my question
There were no soldiers when Boko Haram came
Yes or No

I don't answer unintelligent questions. It's like asking if there were no police before armed robbers emerged.

Soldiers are not there to prevent the emergence of Boko Haram. They're there to defend the country against any form of aggression - currently emerging or future emergences.

What type of foolish question is that? I'm sorry for using that word but I just have to call a spade a spade.

Aemmyjah:
We now have Boko Haram cos there was no soldiers in the country right?

Is that how you reason? How old are you please?

If there are no soldiers in the country, won't Boko Haram bè in control of Aso Rock by now?

Is it JW that made you like this?

achorladey:
That arrogance and pride of being the only one who are doing God's will or true Christians who don't learn from others will not allow him go back to this thread and read slowly and assimilate all the valid points you made regarding politics and warfare they place under neutrality

Bro, I was just ruminating over everything now and began to appreciate the toils of soldiers the more. Can you imagine what Boko Haram would have done to us if there is no soldier in this country? They would have been using the noses of Maxindhouse and Aemmyjah to blow trumpets by now. That's even if they're still alive. Fulani herdsmen for don send them go IDPs tey tey. That doctrine is a very foolish man made doctrine.

achorladey:
It is now father forgive them but before it was Jesus is going to kill all those who don't want Jesus to rule over them. Their time isn't up yet

He must peddle the lies and manipulations packed into that his madness and insanities peddling brains

He changed "Father forgive them for they know not what they do "

to

"Father forgive them, for they're mainly obeying orders."

Lol 😆

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He will run away from the below.....

He has refused to answer that. He keeps perambulating and quoting unrelated scriptures without answering that question directly.

His religious publications said they don't know anything else about that. You will see him cooking assumptions and speculations to answer on their behalf

Exactly. Even quoting where Jesus said "Father forgive them.." manipulatively to support his spurious claims.

Aemmyjah:
Why don't you join them
Are we not all lounging for a united global family,

If I don't join them, I can support them in all ways possible. My tax and my patriotism is part of my support. I wouldn't say they're doing wrong for defending the country.

MaxInDHouse:
You're mixing it up now!

Before you said nah them come attack you without you doing anything against them but now you're saying they want to defend their lives and that of their loved ones.

Abeg are you saying by attacking you who never had anything evil against them they are also defending their lives?

Either way, if there's war between two countries, each country has the sovereign right to defend itself. If there's no soldier to defend Nigeria, even you wouldn't be here right now to type these rubbish.

Aemmyjah:
Did Jesus praise Peter when he tried to defend Jesus by cutting off someone's ear?

Go and read my post again. The question you're asking does not correlate.

People that defend their country have never killed a fellow believers in that country

People that don't defend their countries are alive only because some others are defending the countries.

MaxInDHouse:
Let's not go by assumptions rather what Jesus taught his disciples.

According to Matthew 10:16; 26:52 they are not to force anyone nor raise weapons against anyone even at the detriment of their lives as long as those coming are following orders from a ruler.

This is Mathew 10:16, 26:52

Can you show.me how this scripture tells you not to.join an army?

"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you."

So those soldiers with Cornelius aren't the ones who accepted faith
in Christ rather it's Cornelius whose act of kindness was accepted by God! Act 10:1-4

This is the scriptures here:

Acts 10
"44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days."

Does this scripture above tell you that those soldiers in Cornelius' house didn't accept faith in Christ, only Cornelius alone whose alms were accepted before God? Look very well.

Even if it was Cornelius alone who accepted Christ, did Peter ask Cornelius to leave the army because he has accepted Christ?

MaxInDHouse:
Individuals attack differs from organized armed men receiving orders.

The one ordering them is the culprit not them as they're not acting on personal opinion rather a ruler is ordering them therefore it's the one ordering them that is at fault not those following orders! John 19:11

What's the one ordering them telling them to do? To go defend their lives and that of their loved ones . Meanwhile, the Bible says we should obey all authority because all authority is of God (Romans 13:1+7). Anyone ordering you to defend your life and that of your loved ones is not telling you to do anything evil.

The scripture you quoted in John 19:11 is offboard. Jesus was telling Pilates that he doesn't have the power to free Him. He told Pilate that he can't do it except that power to free Him was given him from heaven. He was telling Pilate that what He was going through cannot be reversed by human efforts . Jesus was not talking about soldiers obeying orders!

That's why Jesus was praying for those soldiers maltreating him because they were acting on orders so they can't say NO! Luke 23:34

No. Jesus told us the reason why He prayed for them. "Father forgive them for they do not know what they're doing ." They didn't know what they were doing, not because they were obeying orders. Your penchant for manipulating scriptures is legendary. You're doing it without shame.

For your information disciples of Christ can't pick up weapons to go attacking their fellow believers nah who are they obeying if that should happen?

They take up weapons to defend their countries. Not to attack fellow believers. You need to understand the purpose behind every action. To attack an enemy nation. Not to attack fellow believers.

Guy use your brain nah instead of following faithless miscreants gullibly!

You should open your eyes and use your brains. If you can defend yourself against an attacking fellow believer individually. Why can't you defend yourself against another nation as an army. Have you ever seen nations attacking themselves as believers? A nation is a nation, and a believer is a believer. When there's war, God knows how to protect His children in that war.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, the soldiers attached to his house aren't members of his house so they're no part of those who dedicated their lives rather it's his immediate family who shared the same beliefs with him!

My dear, the Bible says His kinsmen and near friends were in the meeting, and infact they were MANY. The two soldiers who went to call Peter would be there too. You can also be rest assured that Cornelius' friends would be mainly soldiers.

Whether Cornelius was the only soldier or not, at least there was one soldier in that meeting. Did you hear Peter asking anyone to lay his sword aside because he has now become a disciple?

achorladey:
Na full link be this....

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200806/When-Is-Self-Defense-Justified/

Thank you bro.

Maxindhouse

Judging from your own publication (excepts attached), do you think a Christian has the right to defend himself against another Christian who violently attacks him? You know Satan can just use anyone at anytime.

Now, if your publication says individual self defense is right. Is it not individuals that make up a nation? Why is it that, what is good for an individual is not good for a nation?

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g200806/When-Is-Self-Defense-Justified/

achorladey:
FxMasterz see their publications below.....

You should ask him, should Christians self defense themselves by going to war? Is it reasonable for Christians to do so against fellow Christians who show aggression and deadly harm?

Based on the religious publications he comes to give you in your own house?

Thanks bro. You just gave me a powerful weapon!

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry you missed the understanding of what is highlighted!

Cornelius and his household differs from all his soldiers.

Soldiers attached to each centurion back then are mostly about 100 men they weren't the ones putting faith in God rather it's Cornelius and his immediate family so it's not soldiers in his house that the Bible was referring to!

This is not what we're discussing my dear. But I just want to prove to you they you don't know the Bible. By saying "All the soldiers in his house" I do not mean all the soldiers under his command. I meant the soldiers living with him in his house. The scriptures made it clear that it wasn't just Cornelius and his family that listened to Peter. You might want to go and read Acts 10 again. Look at the scripture below. Take note of the bolded.

Acts 10

"Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him. And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends. And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together."

You can be sure that there were soldiers among his near friends. The two guys who were sent to Peter were definitely soldiers, and you can be sure that they too were in the meeting.

Now, did Peter tell any of them to lay down his swords because he has just become a disciple?

achorladey:
Definitely

Those your question kept him on the backfoot and I don't think he realises the exposure that has given to the lies and manipulations of their beliefs about politics and war.

Jesus forget he will still kill his enemies who don't want him to rule over them yet says they should love their enemies like themselves and pray for the same enemies.

Don't mind Him. Even the statement of Jesus alone shows the JWs don't understand the Bible.

achorladey:
sweet question, Jesus forget he has right to rule over them before saying we should love our enemies even pray for them. You can even see how he is busy twisting the scripture to support their religious doctrine of neutrality

Why wouldn't he twist scriptures. He's following the examples of his
leaders.

achorladey:
What made their case laughable is setting standards they don't follow. That reminds me of PHARISEES

Gbam!

They're Pharisees!

MaxInDHouse:
Cornelius hasn't been taught what Jesus commanded by the time he was serving as a soldier so after he's been taught what Jesus commanded he must drop that job because he can't be a Christian and at the same time going out to fight and kill his fellow believers due to the command of worldly politicians!

My dear, Cornelius and all the soldiers in his house that day got baptized after Peter preached. Did Peter or anyone ask them to drop their guns because they've now become followers of Christ?

Have you ever read it in the anals of history regarding the early church that the disciples were accused of converting soldiers to Christianity and asking them to lay down their swords? The Roman government would certainly accuse the disciples if such things had been taking place.

There are wicked regimes and wicked people in the world. Jesus Christ taught us to defend against them by asking the disciples to sell their garments and buy swords. Figuratively telling them the importance of self defence. On that particular occasion, He was not expecting them to fight but since He was offering Himself as a sacrifice, He didn't want His disciples to see it as an example for them to always fold their hands whenever their lives are being threatened by a criminal. He was figuratively telling them "I'm doing this because this is my purpose for coming to earth but I'm not saying defending yourself is wrong".

The most profound statement Jesus made was "If my kingdom is of this world, (i.e had it been I'm an earthly king or president) my servants would fight (I'll have a retinue of soldiers who would fight). That's very plain. Stop applying your personal logic to scriptures, and take the word of God as it is. All these gymnastics don't pay you.

Now, there are criminal nations who just want to wipe off everybody and take over resources. They must be resisted. If Israel was a JW country, the nation would have been wiped out by now. Just imagine that everyone in Israel is a JW. By now, the nation would no longer exist. They're existing because of self defence. And God is helping them against their enemies. Is God unjust for helping them against their enemies?

When there are wars between 2 countries, it is true that Christians within both countries would fight themselves as soldiers. They're representing their countries and not Christianity. By defending their countries, they're doing the will of God. God knows how to protect His children in such battles, no matter where they belong. All children of God who are soldiers in both warring nations would have God's attention.

God Himself is a Mighty Warrior. He is also a wise God. He knows how to defend His children in the day of battle.

MaxInDHouse:
Because the time is up for them to be wiped out of this planet! Luke 19:27
God will not continue to condone their faithlessness forever!

Why would their time be up to be wiped out? Jesus doesn't want to love His neighbor as Himself anymore? Or what do you mean?

Meanwhile, the time is up for Maxindhouse to be wiped out of this planet, that's why he would fold his arms and watch as a murderer attacks his family.