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MaxInDHouse:
Why weren't Jesus' disciples defending their brothers when the Jews were killing them?

They won't fight against government. But they'll definitely defend their nations.

Tell us a scripture that says christians shouldn't join the army.

There were soldiers who gave their lives to Christ. They didn't leave the army because of that. Do you know this?

Cornelius was a soldier. Hope you know?

MaxInDHouse:
Armageddon is a war Jesus will lead his armies in heaven to kill all enemies of Christianity {Revelations 19:14} not so called Christians fighting and killings themselves!

Why would Jesus kill all enemies of Christianity when He said you should love your neighbors as yourself?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus commanded his disciples:

LOVE your neighbours! Mark 12:31
LOVE your fellow believers! John 13:34-35
LOVE and PRAY for your enemies! Luke 6:27-28

Only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are practicing this globally!

By not defending their countries?

They're not loving anyone by practicing this foolishness.

Love defends against aggressions. If you love your mother, you won't watch while she's been assaulted until she's killed. Love would move you to defend her.

If you have nothing to defend, it means you have nothing to love. That means you have no love. You only love yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
So his disciples are citizens of this world's kingdom shey? John 17:14


So he will lead the citizen of any nation his disciples will support the killing of their neighbours in another country but what if they have preached and taught citizens of that nations and many have become his disciples there?

My friend. The answer is absolutely Yes! Jesus said "My servants will fight". It doesn't matter where the servants are from.

What is the war of Armageddon all about? Tell us. Is Armageddon a war between devil and devil?

MaxInDHouse:
There was no wars in Islam because Muhammad didn't set up to start fighting for his beliefs to be imposed on people rather it's the Roman Catholic Church he met claiming Christians that were forcing their beliefs on people so he has no option than to do the same!


How can people tell people to come out so their eyes could be plucked out?
Guy it's just between Zelensky and Putin that's all, both of them are dragging territories then their gullible neighbours are sticking out their necks to die for them while the families of Zelensky and Putin are safe somewhere.
Who born mumu?

So as friends of PEACE we stay away from their struggle whoever is there to rule is none of our business all we need is freedom to continue preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom anywhere we find ourselves!

There were.

Go and read about Ottoman empire. That's not what we're discussing anyway. Just change the topic. Mohammed too fought. He beheaded many Jews for rejecting his prophethood.

Christians never forced their beliefs on people. Go and study honest history. The Roman Catholic enforced her doctrines among her adherents, not on people of other faiths.

I'm not going to allow you turn this to a Zelensky and Putin discussion . Let's focus the topic.

MaxInDHouse:
Who are his servants that will fight for him anytime he needs soldiers to fight? Matthew 16:27; 25:31 compare to Revelations 19:4

Guy it's the soldiers of his Kingdom that will do the fighting and they are angels not humans as they must not kill any of his disciples.

But your own soldiers are killing their fellow believers yet claiming they are for the same Christ!

That's not the question.

He said "If my Kingdom is of this world". Take note of that.

What would Jesus do, if He were to be the President or King of any nation today? His servants will fight!

Stop asking irrelevant questions.

MaxInDHouse:
What a pity you can't quote Jesus whom you're claiming is your Lord anymore!

Well let me help you out.
We are not in support of any ruler whoever is there is none of our business if Zelensky agree with Putin to take over Ukraine and rule the land nobody will die the only thing there is for the country (Ukraine) to return to Russia as part of that country.
So it's not about the citizens defending anything rather it's the selfish ambitious rulers they're fighting for while killing themselves.

The same thing happened during Jesus' time as his teachings is sinking into the hearts of his people the Pharisees and Sadducees decided to kill him because they felt without soldiers the Roman empire will take over the rulership of their land from them as Jesus is telling their people not to fight against anyone be it friend or foe! John 11:48

That was not what Jesus was saying! If the crusaders and the nations didn't take up sword now, the whole world would have been under Islam! JW organization wouldn't be born. Even Russell s parents would have been Muslims.

It's foolishness to put yourself under the servitude of another for lack of good interpretation of scripture!

You mean if Russia has given Ukraine the condition that All Ukrainians should come out for their eyes to be plucked out as condition for peace, they should just go and lay down their eyes at the feet of the Russians? You guys should reason now!

MaxInDHouse:
Ask Jesus that question because he is the one who ordered his disciples to love their enemies not MaxInDhouse {Luke 6:27-28} and warned his disciples never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe! Matthew 26:52

But let me help you a little.

According to Jesus of Nazareth there is no reason for a Christian to defend any place as we are no part of the world that's dragging seats for political reasons {John 17:14} neither are we in support of any human government because our government is not from this source? John 18:36

He knew that people like you would misinterpret that instruction to love your enemies to mean, do not defend your country, that's why He made such statements as:

"...he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luke 22:36

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence." John 18:36

Take note, "if my kingdom is of this world my servants will fight."

MaxInDHouse:
If the Ghanaian presido is having serious issues with Nigerian presido what will they tell their soldiers to do and will RCCG members in Ghana pray for their fellow believers in Nigeria ati that time or carry weapons to kill them as their presido orders?

So, that's racism to you?

That's not racism. Say something else.

Regarding soldiers. Soldiers represent their countries, not the church. By defending their countries, they defend their families and friends. If there are no soldiers in every country of the world where JW operates, JW wouldn't be able to function. Is JW functioning in Ukraine as we speak? The country was de-militarized like it is in JW doctrines. Russia attacked, and JW ran away. All their members ran away, leaving the country to burn. When the war ends, they would return there to enjoy the victory that other people shed their blood to have. That's wickedness.

MaxInDHouse:
Abeg what is the essence of their evangelism when they're still supporting politics and racism sending their members into the army?

Perhaps your spiritual sight is blurred by the deception of Satan! 2Corinthians 4:4

Adeboye is the G.O. of all RCCG and Kumuyi is the G.O. of Deeperlife just as the Pope is G.O. of Catholic yet during political struggles members of all these religions will carry weapons to kill their fellow worshipers from the same denominations in other countries.

That's what Jesus' admonition made easy for true believers to see as satanic not just arguing fruitlessly!

My dear, tell me how the church supports racism.

I would also like to know how the country is defended against aggressions in the absence of an army.

MaxInDHouse:
Any church that there members are into the military services!

When their political leaders order them to go and kill their enemies none of them thinks twice about Jesus' command again! John 13:34-35

Abeg who is their ruler, Jesus or their fellow imperfect humans? Act 5:29

My dear, if there's no army in a country, who defends the country against aggressions?

MaxInDHouse:
You're really funny o!

So when people agree to settle their scores in within themselves without resorting to violence they're not peaceful shey?

Perhaps you misconstrued being peaceful to being perfect.

For your information there is no organization of imperfect humans without complaints but then when God promised that His worshipers will settle their disparities peacefully among themselves it doesn't mean there won't be any disputes but they will make sure it doesn't lead to violence! Isaiah 2:2-4

Will you then tell me the churches that use violence to settle their scores? Add incidental references.

MaxInDHouse:
What is the assignment Jesus gave his disciples and what are they expected to achieve with that work?

Let me answer the question then you can do the same based on your own understanding of the scriptures.

Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so all his disciples throughout the globe must reflect that quality as WITNESSES to the fact that the Prince of Peace has walked this planet by forming a global family of peace loving worshipers in the name of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

That's what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today!

Now answer the question!

Let me tell you, many Christian organizations are doing serious Evangelism today. Deeper Life especially. Winners, Redeem, etc. Twice every year, Redeemed organizes programs called 'Go a fishing' all for the purpose of evangelism apart from the regular day to day evangelism they do. If you enter a bus and see someone suddenly preaching the gospel in that bus, there's 99% chance that the preacher ISN'T a JW. That still does not prove that they're doing the will of God.

I have given you response to show you that there's no peace among you guys. The fruits you bear on Nairaland is enough for us.

Let me tell you the proof that people are doing the will of God, straight from the scriptures:

"Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands sure, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” 2 Timothy 2:19

There's no other measure or yardstick for determining someone doing the will of God. Going everywhere to teach the doctrines of devils is not the same as doing the will of God.

achorladey:
I ensure I made him summarise the reason why he thinks his religious organization is the only one doing God's will.

Those reasons are just two in his lies and manipulations filled brains

1. Neutrality to war

2. Neutrality to politics

I told him both are not scriptural. They don't understand the principle behind he who knows how to do good but does not do it is a sin. Folding arms in the face of wickedness is GOD'S will. There brains have been so manipulated they don't even know how their religious organization is filled with double standards

Lol.

How can Neutrality to war and Neutrality to politics or going from house to house to teach be an indication of doing God's will? What type of reasoning is this? There are countries around the world that are de-militarized, I guess those countries are doing the will of God.

Those guys need prayers.

achorladey:
people that will consult demons to drive home their point of being true Christians, what do you expect? People that were busy dancing with UN they tagged with all sorts of demonic names. Na their mode of operations

I even learnt they do collect grants from the UN and some government organizations. Those Hypocrites.

achorladey:
Na the work of illusion, delusion, lies and manipulations

Gbam!

Add brainwashing and hypnosis to the list.

achorladey:
The first step about understanding the madness and insanities peddling brains of that one is everything done aside his religious organization are CLAIMS, CLAIMS, CLAIMS.

To make matters worst for his madness and insanities peddling brains. When you show him evidence of the lies and manipulations packed into his brains from the very religious publications he subscribed to. He will still tell you they are CLAIMS CLAIMS CLAIMS. Just look at what he is doing about exposure Courz is typing about the way they manipulate scriptures to fit their agenda. People that will set standards and rules for their own Bible translation and still break the standard to hide their lies and manipulations

You begin to see why his ways of life is like this. For him to look good here and anywhere they must make what every other person do look false or been seen as not genuine in order to raise their own lies and manipulations as the truth

I think the Maxindhouse guy has been hypnotized. I can't blame him. He's a spiritual captive because I don't see why any full blown adult would receive any teaching from any organization whatsoever and never verify from original sources before accepting such teachings as truth. It even gets more interesting when the fellow is so advised to verify the information he has been fed with, and still refuses to do so by telling you 'I am not you.' We're talking about matters that border on the eternal destination of his soul o. It's not ordinary my brother. Only Jesus can break that type of bondage.

It baffles me that he doesn't want to verify the doctrines of his organization and their Bibles against original manuscripts of the Bible, and teachings of early Believers. Neither does he want to have first hand information about the allegations of rape, child abuse and other atrocities reported to be going on in the hierarchies of his organization.

rexbuton:
What do you think about dating a partner with different views concerning tithing and giving? Is it enough grounds to discontinue the relationship?

Teach her about Tithing. You know what she does not know. Get relevant tapes on tithing. Let her listen to them. Be the pastor is your own home. Pastor your wife and children.

MaxInDHouse:
What is the assignment Jesus gave his disciples and what are they expected to achieve with that work?

Let me answer the question then you can do the same based on your own understanding of the scriptures.

Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} so all his disciples throughout the globe must reflect that quality as WITNESSES to the fact that the Prince of Peace has walked this planet by forming a global family of peace loving worshipers in the name of the Prince of Peace! Act 1:8 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

That's what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today!

Now answer the question!

JWs are not doing that! Instead, they're manipulating scriptures, meeting in masonic lodges and pretending to be Jehovah's Witness to deceive people. Their so called gatherings are not peaceful gatherings in anyway. There are incidents of sexual exploitations, child abuse, malice, hypocrisy, rifts and deception. There are several court cases against JWs bordering on sexual harassment and child abuse in many countries of the world.

Please stop the lies. You can tell that only to gullible individuals who know nothing about the organization.

MaxInDHouse:
You're really hilarious!

First of all you advise someone who knew the name of God to listen to what someone who said the divine name belongs to a demon

No I never heard him say that, and that's not why I'm here.

It's not a matter of listening to someone or not listening to someone. It's a matter of of confirmed manipulation of scriptures ( regardless of who is presenting the manipulation, a proof is a proof) in your books. The message is clearly confirmed. Forget the messanger.

then you said many Christian organization are doing God's will yet only Jehovah's Witnesses have love for neighbours, fellow believers and those who pose themselves as our enemies! Mark 12:31; John 13:34-35; Luke 6:27-28

False, what do you mean by this statement? Love for their neighbors from JWs? Hilarious!

Even on this forum, you guys a full of curses, vulgarity and unimaginable villainy for your neighbors. Foremost among you is one guy called janosky. What audacity do you have to tell such a blatant lie? Is lying also one of the wills of God you claim to be doing?

Whereas your so called Christian organizations are in support of politics and racism fighting and supporting the killing of their neighbours and even their fellow believers in the same God!

Ọmọ you're really funny o!

Would you show me how Christian organizations have been supporting fighting, racism and killings? Tell me how the christian body has voiced its support for such things.

As for politics, what's wrong with politics? If there's no politics, how would the world be without kings, governors or presidents? You mean the world should not have leaders? Everyone should be doing what he likes? And if you say politics is satanic, is it wise for godly people to leave leadership to godless people? Are you saying that godless people should be in control of this world while godly people look away? Is it rather not good for godly people to take over governments, and institute God's will in their domains? Tell me where God condemned politics in the Bible. For your information, God is the installer of leaders. But if God's people run away from such responsibilities, who should God install? The godless people who made themselves available of cause would take over government and continue to perpetuate evil in the world. Politics is not what we're discussing here anyway, so please in your response, do not try to divert the focus of this discussion to another argument on politics. My point is already clear.

MaxInDHouse:
So you have no point when claiming people who are performing up to expectations are manipulating God's word which you don't even know it's meaning or practical application!

What do you mean by expectations? Is your own expectation God's expectation? Or you think God will use your expectations as His own expectation?

Who's expectation are they fulfilling by manipulating the Word of God? Maybe your expectation, and that of Satan.

MaxInDHouse:
I can't be you because i believe in the adage that says "a bird at hand worths much more than a thousand in the sky" so instead i will ask anyone speaking against God's people to present a better performing organization that's doing God's will today.

Because that's the same way faithless people in ancient times used to speak against prophets back then! Matthew 5:11-12

Many Christian organizations are doing God's will today, okay. JW is doing Satan's will, and you can already see from the manipulations themselves. They're agents of Satan.

So, I didn't say you should be me, but I'm telling you that you should find out about these things for the good of your own soul.

By your response, you're saying you're not going to find out about anything. It's as good as saying 'I like it like that. I'm not interested in finding out the truth.' In that case, you're better left to yourself. There's no profit it trying to help a man who is in love with his deceivers.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus taught his listeners to love and pray for their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} but the moses led the people to kill their enemies.

Jesus taught his listeners not to divorce their wives except on the ground of fornication {Matthew 19:9} but moses said they can divorce their wives if they find something indecent! Deuteronomy 24:1

So how do you convince a Jew till today that Jesus wasn't MANIPULATING the scriptures?

I don't have any business with the Jews. I was never sent to them. Those who were sent to them have been given the wisdom they need for convincing them. That's why there were many Jews who became followers of Christ in Christ s day, and there are many Jews today who are Christians. Some of them are even pastors.

But for you, you love the manipulations in your books. Maybe you even became a JW because of those manipulations.

Courz:
At the bolded, Yes they are. Their leaders dabble in Spiritism. How did I know? They exposed themselves in their old publications they do not want their members to see. You can't find these publications in their online library. They have made subtle statements that allude to Spiritism. They explained how they get their doctrines and there are certain statements they make that are Occultic. Remember, this is not a Christian religion. Its roots are Masonic. They have a Masonic corporation called International Bible Student Association that meet in Masonic lodges. Their Founder was a Freemason and there are Freemasons in their midst. So, it is expected that the members will be under an influence of something they work with. There are also testimonies from people who have worked in their headquarters and have been in their inner circle. They claimed to have seen strange things. And the Freemasons that leave JW have also exposed them too. I was also able to find a testimony from a former sorcerer that exposed them too. There are just too many exposures about them at this point that can't be ignored.

Maxindhouse, if I were you, for the love of my soul, I would ask this person to tell me more, and to show me where I can go to read and unravel secrets which I would then scrutinize deeply to ensure it isn't an attempt to blackmail an innocent organization.

It would be absolute foolishness to just dismiss these allegations as lies without deep scrutiny.

MaxInDHouse:
First century Jewish religious leaders also claim that Jesus was MANIPULATING the scriptures but wisdom is justified by her children! Luke 7:35

The so called manipulative teacher was the one and only Jewish Rabbi whose followers are able to fulfill what was written in the Bible book of Joel 2:28; Micah 4:1-3; Zephaniah 3:9 and Zechariah 8:23

Today the so called manipulative organization is the one and only group fulfilling what is written in the Bible book of Act 1:8; Isaiah 2:2-4 and Matthew 28:18-20

So whatever you say about them is your own personal opinion until you can present a better performing group than them!

My dear, a claim is different from a proof.

First Century Jews thought Jesus manipulated the scriptures but never for the life of them gave any proof of such manipulation.

By comparing your scriptures with original manuscripts and other translations of the same passages, we can see the fraud being perpetuated in your group. It's even painful that you still expend much energy to go teach this fraud to people and lure gullible fellows into your deception. Is that what you call "fulfilling what is written in the book?". Going about people's homes to make more candidates for hell?

Tell me a church that is not teaching today? It seems you think it's only your false organization that is teaching.

This is why I asked you if you have ever researched beyond the confines of this satanic organization to scrutinize their teachings and make sure you're not being deceived. It seems you love the deception because even when someone has taken the pains to show you the deceptions in black and white as done by Courz on this thread, you still remain unperturbed. You love your deceivers more than you love your own soul. Or are you already in a covenant with them? You've made an oath of secrecy with them to take your soul wherever they want?

Courz:
They don't care about the Bible and about what it really says. These JWS, like you said, have sold their soul to Satan. At this point, what they are doing is Idolatry only that the subject of their worship is mere men like them. I can't imagine seeing this magnitude of deceit in their Bible and yet still believe I am in the right place. If the Holy Spirit is not working on you to see these lies, God has abandoned you.

The funny thing is that, they see someone showing them such magnitude of fraud in their Bible and still take the person as their enemy while the fraudsters who perpetuated the frauds must be defended at all cost.

Are they hypnotized?

Courz:
There are similarities between Islam and JW. That's why he felt at home when he joined JW.

No wonder!

Courz:
Some people love to be Manipulated. They will go to the pit their leaders are going. Their kind enjoy being treated this way. It means God and Jesus have abandoned them and washed their hands off their matter.

I tell you bro.

How can anyone be so loyal to such evils even to the detriment of his soul?

MaxInDHouse:
Satanic indeed!

Oh!

It's godly to manipulate scriptures?

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what the first century Jewish religious leaders thought of Jesus and his disciples! Matthew 10:24-25

At least you have corrected your friend that the name JEHOVAH belongs to the one and only true God, that's enough for me as he now holds his peace regarding the divine name.

So enjoy your delusion while it lasts!

Even with all these demonic manipulations? If it is delusional to tag an organization satanic for their heavy manipulation of scripture, that's a good delusion.

JW is a satanic organization, no doubt!

They should remove the Holy and Glorious name 'Jehovah' from their nomenclature, and replace it with Devil. They're Devil's Witnesses. The organization should stop deceiving the world.

I pity Maxindhouse who left Satan -allah to embrace Satan again in this antichrist organization.

We appreciate God for manifesting Himself in delivering the Pastor.

It's good to serve Jesus!