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kingxsamz:
How does it prove it is not rare?
Is that how your teacher taught you to arrive at conclusions? Nawa. You must have received very poor education. No wonder you're a dedicated Yahweh sheep.🥱

How does it prove it is not rare?
Is that how your teacher taught you to arrive at conclusions? Nawa. You must have received very poor education. No wonder you're a dedicated foolish atheist.🥱

Yeah, I and trees exists, no one can say the same for your imaginary sky daddy though. 🤭

And I know God exists because I relate with Him. Only fools say He doesn't.

So you think non fictional subjects can be discussed but not argued about? What Ievel of poor reasoning will I call this one now? 😂

So you think you can claim Mr Anderson's house does not exist on Fairway Drive, and still go ahead to argue that his house on the same Fairway Drive is not painted blue but green? What level of poor reasoning would I call this one?

It doesn't mean it frequently occurred, yes, that's true. But it's also not an indication that it rarely occurred. The only fact is that it was recorded twice.
Anything concerning its level of occurrence would require proof, a stat of some sort which you have failed to provide. You see how my responses are filled with enlightenment and less insults, unlike yours? It's because I've got something reasonable to say.
I'm sure you're beginning to see how unintelligent you are. 😀

It doesn't mean it frequently occurred, yes, that's true. But it's also not an indication that it rarely occurred. One fact is that it was recorded twice. And another fact is that inferences can be drawn from the frequency of the incidences in the records. If other trivial issues such as lying or bearing false witnesses are recorded in the 4,000yr history, then more incidences of people being stoned for rape would be recorded.

Assuming we have 10 cases recorded in the Bible and other extra biblical sources, that's a sure suggestion it frequently occurred. The historical records were clearly detailed with events occurring in the time of each King or Judge. There are details of sentences passed for different crimes. If a crime frequently occurred, it would be recorded more than twice for quite a good number of Kings who reigned during a 4,000yr period.

You see how my responses are filled with enlightenment and less insults, unlike yours? It's because I've got something reasonable to say. I'm sure you're beginning to see how unintelligent you are.

Your responses are filled with dross and very unintelligent deductions that shows your one traffic reasoning style. After trashing your foolish deductions, I'm sure you're beginning to see how unintelligent you are.

Doesn't matter how important you think it is to massacre little babies and children for whatever reason. My point is, since your god massacred those kids, he didn't give THEM(the kids) any chance of repentance unlike what you said.
I've laid more emphasis on this and I won't repeat this point anymore. It's not my fault you're sIow.

It doesn't matter what you say or think, that's very irrelevant. The Creator of the World has the right to remove whoever He wants at any time as He seems fit. If He decided to remove children before they become monster killer adults, you must be a fool to query that decision because it's the same fools who would query God for not foreseeing and forestalling what those kids would become before they start hurting mankind.

kingxsamz:
Not even going to be replying your boring epistles with too much words. 🥱
You mentioned only two rape cases were recorded in 4000 years, and because you're unintelligent, you don't see how that is irrelevant to my argument. How does two rape cases recorded prove that rape cases were very low/rare?
Please think before typing. 🙏🏾

Unintelligent atheist dog, how does only two rape cases recorded prove that cases are not rare? Think before typing

I'm sorry, but your dog doesn't exist. Trees have more significance than your dog and both fictional and non fictional subjects can be discussed or argued. Say something else. 🥱

I'm sorry but you are the dog that exists and trees have more significance that you dog. Both fictional and non fictional subjects can be discussed, but only dogs argue about an entity they claim does not exist.

Lol, 0lodo, so if only two cases of masturbation was recorded that means masturbation rarely occurred? Ol0do rabata.

Lol olodo dog, if only two cases of masturbation were recorded, that means masturbation frequently occurred? Olodo ràbàtà dog.

Okay, since the little ones were stopped from growing that means your dog didn't give them any chance of repentance right? Please make up your mind. Your unintelligent, poorly thought out responses is an insult to some of the few intelligent theists on here. You're still a baby Christian like I said. Happy Sunday.

Dog, Judgement upon a nation is judgement upon all.

Your lunatic responses are very appalling and, as you cannot see that stopping monsters from growing is a service done to the entire human who would have been hurt by them if allowed to grow into adults, you're really an insult to some of the few intelligent members of your dogfold who call themselves atheists.

22jumpstreet:
Jacob is God's servant..

He is the suffering servant in chapter 53..

I really don't know how else to present it.

It is a servant that is suffering in 53 not a son. I really don't understand how you can't understand...
Moreover there is no death and resurrection, which are the Hallmark of Christianity.....
God has already given them the solution to the problem of sin...none of which involves human/demi god sacrifice..2nd chronicles 7:14

What is it you don't understand...I don't want to waste my time on this..

My friend, should we start dissecting Isaiah 53 too?

Point to any verse in Isaiah 53 that confirms that indeed a servant was referred.

22jumpstreet:
Did you see the place I underlined?

The eye is blind if the mind is closed..

That chapter was not talking about Israel, Ogbeni!

Is that how you did your English comprehension in School.

The place you underlined was a statement directed to Cyrus, saying "The God of Israel who summons YOU for the sake of Jacob my servant". All the words in that chapter from verse 1 -7 were directed at Cyrus. How exactly was the chapter about Israel? Just because God told Cyrus that He is summoning him to help restore the captivity of Jacob?

And for your information, Israel at the time of Cyrus were suffering for their own sins. After being forewarned by many prophets to no avail. They were being justly punished for their inquiries.

The suffering servant of Isaiah 53 depicted a sinless personality, humble and chaste who made Himself the sacrificial lamb for the sins of others - not for His own sins.

kingxsamz:
See? You're not bright. 🤷🏾‍♂️ I keep saying it.
Does the statement "all important incidents were recorded equate to "All rape cases were recorded"?
If only the important ones were recorded, wouldn't that mean many others were left out? 🤷🏾‍♂️
0lodo doesn't even think about his words before typing.

Dog, you're really a dull dog. Your dullness in superlative.

If rape was rampant in Israel, the incidences recorded would be more than 2. That only two were recorded shows that the incidents rarely occured. Only 2 were recorded, and infact, one of those two was not rape per say because the husband of the woman was the one who gave her out. It was still rape in a sense, and that's why I included it because the man didn't give her out willingly. A dull dog cannot decipher that when an incident rarely occurs on historical records, it means the rate of occurrence is low. That's why I said, and I repeat "Only 2 incidences were RECORDED". I never said only 2 HAPPENED. That shoes how dull you are. Very dull.

But trees exists now. 🤷🏾‍♂️ it's not even a debate. Can you pretend to be smart for one minute?
I just gave you examples of how comic characters can be debated, both their capabilities and behaviours. I don't believe in your dog, but I can make statements based on what is inside your story book. Shouldn't be hard for you to understand nw.
I need to know your level of education, seriously, because this is a huge disappointment.

Who is your father, would you please describe the man or the dog who gave birth to such a dull dog as you?

Trees exist the same way God exists. I have you ah example, and told you that it someone made a CLAIM that a Tree does not exist ( a claim is not comic either is it a fiction), he doesn't stupidly go again to argue about the features of his supposedly non-existent tree. The fact that argue about who God is, or what God did completely negates you claim that God does not exist. Let me bring it down to a kindergarten level to help your dull head. If I claim that Mr Robinson does not have a Television in his house. That is to say, a Television does not exist in the house of Mr Robinson, it would then be foolish of me to go argue again that Mr Robinson's Television does not produce quality images. You said a television does not exist in a man's house, yet you're arguing that his television does not produce quality images. Are you not stupid?

You're the only one who made an assumption about 2 rape cases happening in 4000 years.
When you've provided proof of such, let me know.

Dull dog, if I said RECORDED history, and I indicated the records as I've done, that's no longer and assumption. It is a fact that only 2 incidences were RECORDED. And so, it becomes a valid inference to say that the cases of rape was very low in that 4,000yr history. This gives credence to the fact that the law was effective.

So did the little children and babies have 1000 years to repent? If no, how were they given any chance? 🤷🏾‍♂️
I'll soon drop this argument. This argument is already recycled enough. You're uninspiring, unintelligent and duII. I could probably learn from other theists in an argument but you, it's like I'm arguing with a chiId. I need somebody else abeg, not boring, baby Christians like you. 🥱

Dull dog, a nation includes its adults and its children. Over a period of 1,000yrs, no child repented. They all grew to become monsters. At a point in time, the little monsters must be stopped to growing up to do more evils as their predecessors. Hence judgement is given to cut the tree from its roots, so that the wickedness of that nation would not continue.

22jumpstreet:
The suffering servant is Israel...I am not sure if you are an slowpoke or not, I don't know what to think again..

Indeed you're a slow spoke.

This was your post below:

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant...The servant is suffering because of what they where doing to him. In Isaiah 45:1-7 and in Seven other places Isaiah already told you who the servant is....read it and get sense...

Here above, you said Isaiah told us who he was talking about in Isaiah 45:1-7

This is Isaiah 45:1-7

[b]"This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut: I will go before you and will level the mountains; I will break down gates of bronze and cut through bars of iron. I will give you hidden treasures, riches stored in secret places, so that you may know that I am the Lord, the God of Israel, who summons you by name. For the sake of Jacob my servant, of Israel my chosen, I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor, though you do not acknowledge me. I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, so that from the rising of the sun to the place of its setting people may know there is none besides me. I am the Lord, and there is no other. I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things."[/b]

Now, tell us how this above scripture you quoted was talking about Israel, and prove to us that you're not a slow spoke.

22jumpstreet:
You really need to sit down so that I can cure you from your brain washing..

Isaiah 53 is about a suffering servant...The servant is suffering because of what they where doing to him. In Isaiah 45:1-7 and in Seven other places Isaiah already told you who the servant is....read it and get sense...

A child that has already been born will be born in the future...

Did you even finish secondary school?

https://www.nairaland.com/6612275/isaiah-53-why-suffering-servant

https://www.nairaland.com/7906030/isaiahs-prophesy-messiah-virgin-birth

My God!

How on earth is Cyrus the suffering servant? In what way did Cyrus suffer?

1. How was Cyrus bruised for anyone's iniquity?

2. How was Cyrus wounded for anyone's sins?

3. How was the chastisement of anyone's peace laid on Cyrus?

4. How did we esteem Cyrus smitten of God and afflicted?

5. How did Cyrus take away anyone's sorrow or pains?

6. How the visage of Cyrus changed so that he had not beauty for anyone to desire him?

7. How was Cyrus cut off the earth for anybody's iniquity?

8. How did Cyrus make his soul a sacrifice for sin and saw his generation afterwards?

9. How was Cyrus led to the slaughter like a sheep dumb before its shearers?

10. How did God lay upon Cyrus "The inquity of us all."

Or should I start dissecting the entire Isaiah 53 to make you see how Cyrus didn't fulfil that too?

This is spiritual blindness of a very high order!

kingxsamz:
😂😂😂😂😂 Chai! See small pikin brain o...
Were you expecting the bible to list thousands of rape cases in one book? Okay, so If you're asked how many times people stole from one year to another other, you'll search how many times theft was mentioned in the bible and make your conclusion on that? 😂😂😂
Now I know you're duII true true..
Please show me a source that explicitly states that only 2 rape cases happened in four thousand years,
not you counting how many times rape was mentioned and using it as a metric of how many times it occurred. You must have been very da.ft in school if this is your actual response. I swear. 😂

Dog, all important incidences that happened in Israel were recorded. That's why the books were called historical books. If you don't believe that all the rape incidences were captured in the Bible, then, bring your own evidences against me. Dog, stop reasoning like a cock. Dogs should reason better than cocks even though they can't reason like humans.

Duh, that's how arguments work. 💁🏾‍♂️
We could argue/discuss about Santa's deeds or The Joker's antics, or even Zeus' powers.

No, only you and your dogfold argue on none existent characters. Humans don't.

Did they tell you in school that only existing characters can be discussed or argued about?
What level of education have you attained sef? 🤔Cus I'm sure you cannot be a graduate with this low level of intelligence. 💁🏾‍♂️

Dog, when fictions are being discussed, everyone knows it's fiction. Fiction is different from claims. No human makes a claim denying the existent of someone and still makes him his point of argument. It is only a lunatic that would claim Trees do not exist, and still go and argue that Trees don't have branches. Anyway, I don't expect a dog to understand the difference between fictions and claims.

Lol, you're pained and I'm enjoying it. 😂
Like I asked before, if only two cases of theft were mentioned in the bible, would that mean only two cases of theft occured in 4000 years? You should be over 20 now, try and think. Trust me it's not difficult. Just ponder over that question and reply when your brain finally understands. Don't rush and type okay? Cus you're amusing me here.😂

Dog, if it's more than 2 cases, bring your 3rd case. You want us to base the argument on unproven assumptions rather than recorded history? Is that how unintelligent you are? Anyway, you're a dog. You can't be more intelligent.

Okay, that means your dog doesn't give chance for repentance always, unlike what you said, right?
So you were wrong.
Please pick a side and stop embarrassing sky daddy. I beg.

Okay, dog, that means 1,000 years is not enough years given for a nation to repent, right? So, you're daft, pick a side and stop embarrassing your parents.

22jumpstreet:
1. For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,
How do you even comprehend English literature? Has the child not already been given(born) what are you even blabbing about?

That's how prophecies are given in present tense at times. Sometimes even in past tenses! Are you new to the scriptures! There are many prophecies in scripture like that.

This is another future prophecy that was made in past tense!

"But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed." ~ Isaiah 53:5 NKJV

Isaiah was particularly known for giving his prophecies this way. Infact, the whole of Isaiah 53 was written this way, and there wasn't any contemporary human Isaiah was referring to at the time of that prophecy.

So, you ignored every other part of the prophecy which Hezekiah didn't fulfil just because the prophecy was made in present tense? SMH.

22jumpstreet:
When Isaiah said those words, the child has already been born..

How old are you self?

Hope I am not talking to a JSS 2 student. Because if you have even written junior WAEC you would not reason like that.

Did Isaiah mention that the child was Hezekiah?

There were many children who were already born. How exactly did the prophecy apply to Hezekiah of all the children born at the time?

Hope I am not talking to a JSS 2 student. Because if you have even written junior WAEC you would not reason like that.

22jumpstreet:
Believe what you want..

I have shown you that the child has already been born when Isaiah was writing it down...history says he was referring to king Hezekiah....who was about 6 years old.

I don't even know how it is referring to somebody who never even existed..it is way over me...

Whatever you choose to believe...

You showed me nothing.

You proved nothing.

Only referring me to scriptures that proved nothing.

I have dissected the passage for you. You can then believe whatever you want after reading the truth.

22jumpstreet:
Read 2nd kings chapter 18-20.

Show me your own proofs

"1 The vision of Isaiah the son of Amoz, which he saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, [and] Hezekiah, kings of Judah." Isaiah chapter 1 verse 1.

He had the vision in the days of those kings. He didn't solely have the vision about them. Isaiah 1 to 66 were prophetic visions of Isaiah from the reign of Uzziah until the reign of Hezekiah. This only helps us to place the date and time when the prophecies were given, and not who the prophecies were about.

Read 2 Kings 18-20. Show me your own proofs

Of course 2 kings 18-20 is not a new passage to me. Now let me show you my proof in the absence of yours.

Let's look at the passage again:

Isaiah 9:6-7

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end."

1. For to us a child is born, to us a son is given,

The opening sentence here makes the child a special gift. Not just an ordinary child. A gift from God. "Unto us a child is given."

Now, in what sense could Hezekiah be regarded as a special child or a special gift from God? It was his mistake that prepared the ground for the Babylonian captivity of Israel (Isaiah 39:1-9). His child Manasseh and his grandson Amon were the most wicked kings Israel ever had.

2. and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Hezekiah was never called by these names or titles. These are God's names and titles. The titles were to be borne by a man upon whose shoulders the will government would be placed. The government is a human government by a man who is bearing God's names and titles. This makes it messianic.

3. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end.
The government has endless greatness and endless peace.

Hezekiah s government had none of this. There were turmoils during his reign. He didn't have endless greatness or endless peace. For someone to have endless greatness and peace, that person must be endless himself. Hence, an endless king is implied. Only the Messiah can be that endless King.

Even when Isaiah berated Hezekiah for opening his treasures to the Babylonian emissaries and told his the repercussion of his actions. What was his response?

Isaiah 39:5-8
"Then Isaiah said to Hezekiah, “Hear the word of the Lord Almighty: 6 The time will surely come when everything in your palace, and all that your predecessors have stored up until this day, will be carried off to Babylon. Nothing will be left, says the Lord. 7 And some of your descendants, your own flesh and blood who will be born to you, will be taken away, and they will become eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.”

8 “The word of the Lord you have spoken is good,” Hezekiah replied. For he thought, “There will be peace and security in my lifetime.”

He was satisfied as long as he had peace in his own days. He cared less if there was no peace in the days of his child! How can endless peace be attributed to such an one.

The passage is messianic and has no reference to Hezekiah at all.

22jumpstreet:
2nd kings chapter 18-20

Please how does 2nd king 18 - 20 prove that the chapter is talking about Hezekiah.

Note: I have read the chapters several times without number, and I can't find a single proof that Isaiah 9:6 was a reference to Hezekiah.

22jumpstreet:
Just a small video
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DB1JTb7qGwgI&ved=2ahUKEwjyy6ad0_GFAxU2aEEAHReYAi4Qz40FegQIDhAJ&usg=AOvVaw3az8PgCKtdrnMmAvC9TWe5

My friend, I'm not watching a video. It's simple, tell me how you'll prove that the chapter was talking about Hezekiah.

Please, I believe that the chapter is talking about the Messiah. If you say the chapter is talking about Hezekiah, then it also means that you believe the chapter is not messianic. So, there are two questions already:

1. Prove that the chapter is talking about Hezekiah.

2 Prove that the chapter is not messianic.

Meanwhile, I can prove to you that the chapter is not about Hezekiah. I can also prove to you that the chapter is messianic.

22jumpstreet:
You are just flogging a dead horse, The child has already been born when Isaiah was writing. You have not countered that, all you keep doing is making conjectures...
Present your case like an adult...

Proof please. Show me the proof.

There were many children who were already born during isaiah's prophecy. Why is the child Hezekiah? How does that prophecy apply to Hezekiah?

Or should we just take your word for it. That must be because you're the one who wrote the Bible?

22jumpstreet:
Are you this dull ,sorry to say.

The child has already been given (born)when Isaiah was writing...this is simple English comprehension...there is no future terms there..it is in past continuous terms..

Common man...

Ok, show me where Jesus is called those names in the entire gospel stories..from Mathew to john..

I will wait.

You're abusing me isn't it? Just for pointing out to you that Hezekiah never fulfilled any of the prophecy in that chapter? Why are you guys always allergic to the truth even when you cannot defend the lies you're telling? I only asked you to show me how Hezekiah fulfilled that prophecy in any way, your response is to insult me rather than show me why I must believe your lies?

Jesus was God in man's clothing, so as a man, how many people knew He was God to have called Him Mighty God? But when you see the life He lived, the words He spoke and His resurrection, you'll know who He was. Actually, by referring to Jesus as God, we do not mean the physical Jesus. The physical Jesus was fully man in His body, and fully God in His Spirit. Jesus told the Pharisees that "Before Abraham was, I am " Have you ever seen a man make such an assertion?

So, after His resurrection, Thomas referred to Him as 'My Lord and my God!" John 20:28.

In the Book of Revelation, where ever Jesus made an appearance in Heaven in His spiritual state, He was worshipped as God. He was called Alpha and Omega. He was called Lord of lords and King of kings. It was said of Him that "He shall reign forever and ever." Hezekiah is dead, and his kingdom is no more. His kingdom has no everlasting continuance."...Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end." Isaiah 9:7. Only the Messiah can fulfil this scripture. Hezekiah never fulfilled it. Stop deceiving yourself and stop getting angry at truth.

If you have any solid points to convince me otherwise, then bring forth your points without insults. I'm waiting.

kingxsamz:
Very boring and stale. I'm starting to skip all these long, boring texts of yours. 🥱
You said your source was history before, now you're saying your source is the bible. Okay, fine. Quote anywhere in the bible or in history or the so called historical part of your bible where it was stated that only 2 rape cases happened in 4000 years just like you claimed. At least prove you're not making things up from your a.ss, like how you Christians made up your imaginary dog.

Dog, I pointed out that my history source is the Bible . Dog, quote where I mentioned any historical source apart from the Bible. Dog, tell me why you responded that you don't believe the Bible when I told you the history source was the Bible. Was that not why you asked me to quote the Bible from Genesis to Revelation? This dog sha. Was that not the reason why I have been telling you to bring your extra-biblical sources? Are you just now knowing that I said my source is the Bible? You shameless liar! You demented idiot! You're a dog, I don't expect you to have any sense.

But, you see, humans help dogs whenever bones get stuck in their throats, so I'll help you a little, poor dog!

The only 2 rape instances in the Bible:

1. Absalom vs Tamar: 2 Samuel 13

2. The Levite's Concubine vs Gibeans: Judges 19.

Now, give us any third reference of rape in the 4,000 year history of Israel recorded in the Bible. Or give us any other reference you may have, you damned fool!

You're unintelligent and boring.
People discuss comic/fictional characters all the time.
So why did you call me an atheist then if you thought I believed in your genocidal sky daddy?
You see, you're not smart. 🤷🏾‍♂️

It only shows you're a dog. If you don't believe God exists, why should you even accuse a non-existent being? Do you have any sense at all? Oh sorry, I forgot you're a dog. Dogs have no sense anyway. Can you give me references where humans have been passionately debating non-existent
characters? Only dogs do like that . I wouldn't be surprised if you bring references from your fellow dogs. Someone does not exist, yet, the fool accuses a non-existent being of giving a law written in a book he does not believe in. I'm sure you are a mad dog. Have you taken treatments from your Vet? Most dogs are even more intelligent than that.

Okay, so what chance of repentance did the little babies and children of the Amalekites get?
If you can answer that one then you win.
Like I said, you're already starting to bore me as you don't even have the capacity to argue intelligenty and follow through. Provide your source and show me where it states your claim and also answer the question I provided. Simple. At least prove that your Yahweh is not a fuuIish doIt. 🤷🏾‍♂️

Oh, dog, I have given you 2 recorded history of rape events in the Bible. You should bring the 3rd if you find any. The Bible is a book written over a period of about 4,000yrs. The historical accounts are well detailed, and there are only 2 accounts of rape in that 4,000 year history which I have pointed out to tell you how effective the law was regarding this issue. Bring a third issue of rape in that 4,000 year period or bring references from an extra biblical source regarding a rape incident that was not recorded in the Bible. If you can do this, then you have proven that your father is not a foolish idiot even though he gave birth to a rabid dog.

Dog, understand that when God is judging a nation, it affects everyone including children and women. Just like when war takes a nation, it affects everyone including children and women. The kids of many generations grew into wicked adults generation after generation, so there's no guarantee that the current kids won't grow into another set of wicked adults tomorrow. The entire nation is judged because God has watched them for over a thousand years to see what types of kids they've been producing. God wipes off a nation with its kids if He intends to put a permanent stop to their wickedness. 1,000 years is enough time to know what the kids would eventually become. When the king of Amalek was being executed, this is what Samuel said of him:

1 Samuel 15:33
"And Samuel said, As your sword has made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women."

It was one of those kids that grew up to become a monster that was rendering other women childless. Should God reason like you a dog who would leave more kids that'll grow into another monster that'll do much more wickedness in the earth? A dog would be a dog anyway, it can never understand why humans cut off a tree from its roots.

22jumpstreet:
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Those are all attributes of God...the creator.
He is the one calling Hezekiah, the prince of peace...Isaiah will never use those terms for any man..read through his book. He never said that any where, even for Cyrus the king of persia..

If you read the book of kings, you will see it..I will show you the portion.

Yes, they're the attributes of God. Isaiah wouldn't use it for any man except the Son who was given because that Son was God's Son. God manifested Himself on earth by putting on human flesh. Jews couldn't wrap their heads around this fact but the prophecy cannot be disputed. This is what Isaiah prophesied in clear language as you see in the screenshots attached:

22jumpstreet:
Isaiah was referring to future king Hezekiah who was around 6 years old by that time..He was a son of King Ahaz, who was not a very likable king...

Just read the whole chapter, you will understand the context and it will make
sense to you
Moreover the Jews don't believe in virgins given birth, it is a Greek/Roman concept..

My friend, the future king Hezekiah was never called Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His kingdom had faded away, it is not everlasting. Or you didn't read that the kingdom of the Character prophesied in that verse was a kingdom whose peace has no end?

Please tell me how many parts of the chapter Hezekiah fulfilled for that scripture to have been fully fitted for Hezekiah. Even Hezekiah himself never saw himself as the fulfiller of that scripture.

[quote author=kingxsamz post=129755064]

Lol, mu mu, post your source. Stop proving that you don't have sense. Post the source to back up your claim. Simple!🤷🏾‍♂️
And I noticed you've been so hurt that you had to resort to copying my insults to you. Are you that duII to come up with something on your own?
Anyways, sorry. It's not my fault that your Yahweh behaves like a dog. No vex. 🙏🏾

Dog, my source is the entire historical part of the book called the Bible. Dog I have told you my source or do you want me to quote the Bible from Genesis to Revelation for you to read through the recorded history of Israel and see how many times rape was recorded in that entire history record? If you have sense you would quote 3 instances from the Bible to dispute my points the same way you hastily went to quote the verse for the Amelekites. I know your head is so empty. You don't know that when a person lays an historical claim, you go into history yourself to dispute him. You're a dog, so I don't expect you to behave like humans.

Dog, your insults don't mean anything to me. I'm not insulting you by calling you a dog. I'm just addressing you by your real identity.

Lol, are you even reading what you're typing? What's all this convulsion for? 😂
You said only three rape cases happened in 4000 years and I said no wahala, post your source, you're now telling me to bring historical narrations of the bible to prove you wrong. What does that even mean? Prove yourself right first now. Why not bring it yourself and show me where it states your claim? If you don't bring that source everybody go no say na mu mu you be o. 😂 So don't fall your hand. I'm counting on you. 🙏🏾

Dog, I have told you my source. Tell us from your own source how the law didn't work, or even use my source to disprove me. Dog, don't be confused. I just told you want to do.

You called me an atheist in one of your posts, so I'm sure you're not that da.ft to know any subject can be debated, either real or not and I don't actually believe in your story book and sky daddy. So stop embarrassing yourself biko. 🙏🏾

Dog, no human alleges incidences he doesn't believe happened. Only dogs do like that. If you don't believe the Bible stories, why should you believe God even gave that law in the first place to be debating it. A dog doesn't have sense anyway. You can't understand why humans only debate issues they consider real and referenced from good authority.

Oh, okay, so your dog doesn't actually give chance for repentance. Or does he? Which one is it abeg? Make up your mind. This is getting boring already. 🥱

Dog, you read in a previous post that God gave the Amalekites over 1,000 years to repent before eventually sending judgement on them. Dog, don't be deceived, God is giving you chances to repent too. That's why you have all the opportunity to display the folly in your rotten brains openly without any instant judgement. Once your cup is full, you shall not escape your judgement too. Dog, take note. I know you won't listen since dogs don't ever take good advice.

22jumpstreet:
It was about future king Hezekiah.

Believe what you will...

It's not a matter of believing what I will. It's a matter of what the scriptures say.

22jumpstreet:
It was about future king Hezekiah.

Believe what you will...

It's not a matter of believing what I will. It's a matter of what the scriptures saysl.

22jumpstreet:
It was about future king Hezekiah.

Believe what you will...

It's not a matter of believing what I will. It's a matter of what the scriptures says.

kingxsamz:

0ponu, you don change mouth. 😂
I thought you said I was pained about Israel's punishment for rapists. I have schooled you and you have changed mouth. It's good you're learning to read and understand before typing, just like I advised.
For the fourth time, how does a group of angry mob in the ancient times who have been given the power to murder people going to ascertain that a supposed consensual sex wasn't rape, given the several cases of rape I mentioned in my previous posts? Answer intelligently and direct. I'm sure you can't.😀
Mu mu can't see the similarity between stoning people for sex and stoning people for blasphemy.

Dullard, how do judges today determine whether a rape has occured before giving their sentences? Except you're blind, you clearly read that they had judges who gave sentences before any execution was carried out. The law was to serve as guidance for the judges to know what sentence to give after investigations had been made. It is not for any mob to execute. There are no mob actions without a sentence. Give me references for mob actions that were carried out without a sentence and I'll consider you a wise man. In your empty head, you thought the Israelites behave like Muslims who mob people without prior investigation and judgement?

Of cause you're a rapist who sympathizes with your fellow rapists in medieval Israel. That assertion hasn't changed. You'll be caught sentenced to life in prison. And if you commit your rape in countries that have the death sentence for rapists, you'll suffer the fate you so much wish for yourself.

That's the same way Muslims feel we're all under their god's law, that's why they terrorise your fellow Christians and stone them over blasphemy. They can wake up one day and decide to waste aII Christians within their reach because they feel they're infideIs who have refused to accept their Allah, and I'll simply use this siIIy response of yours to justify it.

I know you're a dullard, so you wouldn't see how this response of yours does not tally with my erudite response you thought you're responding to. It seems comprehension is a serious problem that turned you into a deceived atheist. I'll tell you again in more simple terms become of your low IQ. I wouldn't mind repeating the same things to you if that's the only way you can get sense.

So, hear this again. God did many beneficial things for Israelites. He then gave them a law and rules guiding a mutually signed covenant. One of the rules is this "I was the One who delivered you from Egypt to take you as a people to Myself. Therefore you shall serve no other God but me. If anyone of you serves any other God, then he/she should be stoned to death. Are you willing to abide by this covenant?" The people answered "Yes, we would do everything that the Lord our God has asked us to do!" After the people agreed, it became a law that any ISRAELITE (not anybody) who served other gods should be sentenced to death. God even told them that if a stranger sojourns in Israel, he can be allowed to serve the God of Israel if he chooses but the Israelites must not serve his god. There's no law that says such a stranger should be stoned for serving other gods! That's a just law because God apparently had no covenant with non-Israelites as at then. The Israelites don't stone people of other nations like the Muslims do. The law was strictly for Israelites. Get that into your head. If you're not an Israelite, the law does not apply to you because God never made such covenant with you.

Now, tell me how that is similar to what the Muslims do. What covenant does Allah have with non-muslims to have ordered them to be killed for not serving him? What benefits have he giving them before expecting them to serve him? In what way has he ever first showed them that he is a might God?

[quote[DuII hypocrite who sees nothing wrong with his god commanding people to stone others to death over sex but thinks Muslim stoning people for bIasphemy are vioIent and barbaric. Mu mu hypocrite. 😂
That's the covenant they made with their Allah, so it's okay for them to waste you people.

Dullard, it was a constitution for a nation to deter them from sexual perversion, and it worked for them! There was hardly a rapist in Israel's history because of that law! A lesser consequence for such action would have had a different result, and a dog like you would still be the first to talk about the morbid result.

You see why I keep calling you an unintelligent duIIard? 😂
What are you even saying?
Weren't you the one who said only two rape incidents happened in four thousand years? Oya provide your source now. Show me where you got your stats from let me know you're not truly a duIIard.

Dullard, my source is the Bible. Fetch at least 3 incidences of rape from the historical narrations of the Bible to dispute my point. If you don't believe the history written down in the Bible, then bring your own reference of history pertaining to Israel where rapes occured for more than 3 times! I would still talk about your dementia that makes you believe what the Bible says about the law God gave Israel but not what the Bible says about the outcome of that law.

Lmao, just because I'm debating your story book with you doesn't mean I believe in it now. Use your head for once na. 😂
What gave you the impression that I believe In the buIIcrap? And you said you're not duII... Nawa.
Come, how old are you sef?
Quote a reliable source that backs up your cIaim, it's not hard nw. 🤷🏾‍♂️

If you don't believe God gave that law, why are you debating what you don't believe happened? Can you see how dull and mentally slow you are? You don't believe the Bible but you believe God gave a law that you must now debate about in the same Bible you don't believe? That's foolishness of a very high order!

Why then are you helpless M0fos praying for your god's intervention? 😂😂
If your dog... sorry, god, cannot help you from terrorists, then of what use is the mu mu?🤭

Dog, not everyone who goes to church is a Christian, okay? God delivers those who are His, except your time has come. And if that's the case, you would be clearly told beforehand, and strengthened for what's coming. I was attacked by a Muslim mob in Ilorin in 2014 at the Ọja Oba market. They had their knives, rods and cutlasses up in the air because they saw me talking to a Muslim lady in the market with a Bible under my arms. It was a very violent mob that surrounded me that day, but The Lord Jesus delivered me. I came out of there unscathed. No single bruise, and I didn't lose either money or phone to the melee. How did it happen? A miracle of course. The Muslims themselves told me "Don't think it was your Jesus that delivered you o. Even that Jesus you say you're serving, we know Him better than you do." I'll share that miraculous escape here someday on this forum. God delivers His people but dogs like you are so blind to know that God hates false worshippers.

Lol, mu mu, no profit but you're still here arguing anyway trying to defend your useIess dog. Abi the wer.ey no get mouth to talk? 🤷🏾‍♂️
You wanted to see a verse where your god asked men to kiII children and babies and I showed you, which contradicts your claim that he gives everyone a chance to repent instead of taking their lives. What chance of repentance did those little babies and children get? 🤷🏾‍♂️
You and FuuIsihnes be like 5&6.

Useless dog, I know you're too demented to see that it was the Law of Cause and Effect that worked in the verse you quoted. You brought a verse where judgement was given without telling us the offence that was committed. And you still have the audacity to talk after your foolishness was exposed. You're a dog anyway, I do not expect anything better from you!

kingxsamz:
[quote[l]Do you see why I said you're unintelligent?
Is my argument about rapists being stoned or is it actually about rape victims being lynched by a mob for what might appear to be consensual sex?
Are you that da.ft that you can't see I'm highlighting how victims of rape could lose their lives to such senseIess law?
Are you even paying any attention? Do you even read, understand and think before responding?

Are you that daft to see that I already proved to you that all rape cases are to be investigated to ensure that the rape victim is innocent before judgement is given? The verse is not interpreted as literal shouting but to show that the victim was forced.

Are you so dull to see that my response to you was based on your attack on the God's death sentence for Israel which you were equating with the Islamic law?

He wants them to repent by asking men to sIaughter children and babies who know nothing? He wants them to repent by asking people to stone others for serving other gods? Do you even know your bible at all?
Maybe the kiIIings he requested for is now different from that of Islam.

God had a covenant with Israel after delivering them from Egypt. It was a mutually signed covenant to which the people consented. The law to kill anyone who served other gods was part of that covenant. The law applied only to Israel because of the covenant. No nationals of other nations would be stoned for serving other gods because God had no covenant with their nation. The law was for Israel alone because God had a covenant with them. That's different from the Islamic law where Muslims are asked to kill people who have never benefited from Allah, nor have ever had any covenant with Allah.

By asking them to stone criminals who commit grievous crimes, He intended to deter the crimes. That was strictly a national law that has nothing to do with religion or God. It was to help humans in administering judgement. All cases are brought before a judge who passes the sentence!

Except you are bent on being stoned to death yourself, you wouldn't go and commit a crime that brings such a sentence upon you! And I showed you the law worked to deter rapists in Israel. Only 2 cases in more than 4,000yrs of history! If that makes you angry, it will be because you're a criminal.

In Christiendom, there's no such sentence because God set the law aside and gave us Grace with an empowerment to naturally hate sin. God wants all sinners everywhere to repent. Meanwhile Islam calls for death sentence if you don't serve Allah!

😂😂
Wtf is this? What history is that? I hope you know I don't regard the bible as anything more than a story book for delusional adults? So the Israel in your story book has nothing to do with the one in reality.
Look at this cIown. 4000 years past and only two rape cases occurred, yet these people were given laws against rape. Why? Even you don't believe that hogwash. Focus on what the bible said and stop creating your own version of history. History ko.

Foolish boy, bring an argument to the contrary and show me from the books you believe in, the rape incidences that are more than two you saw in your own history books about those 4,000yr period! You think everyone reasons with his anus like you do? If you don't believe the history recorded in the Bible, bring the references from the ones you you believe in!

Mumu believes the Bible when he reads that God asked rapists to be stoned but the fool does not believe when he reads that there were only 2 rapists recorded in a 4,000 year history. Very dull boy.

Why won't your god deal with the Islamists terrorising your fellow Christians in different parts of the world? Oh, I forgot, your sky daddy is useIess. Maybe it's because the character is a fitment of your imagination.

Foolish and useless atheist. We were already foretold that the islamists would do what they're currently doing in terrorism.

John 16:2
"..and the time is coming when those who kill you will think they are doing a holy service for God.

For your information, God does not reason like your demented self. There are many terrorists who have killed Christians in the past, to whom God has revealed Himself and shown them mercy. Today, they're in the world bringing people to God through their testimonies. Paul the Apostle himself was once a terrorist.

Anyways, here's the verse of your Yahweh doing what he knows best.
Mu mu did not even know his fuuIish, barbarian of a god once ordered for the de ath of babies.

Is there any profit in arguing with a fool?

The Israelites were on their journey to Canaan. They had no business with the Amelekites but the Amelekites attacked them unprovoked. When the Israelites were weary and weak, the Amelekites attacked them from behind and killed many weary women and children. It angered God because God already instructed Israel not to touch Amalek. They weren't among the nations God intended to judge. But they did commit such an act of wickedness by attacking weak and defenceless women and children who were lagging behind in the journey without any provocation. So, God vowed to punish them in latter years. He waited more than 1,000yrs for the Amelekites to repent but they never did before He eventually sent Saul against them.

Deuteronomy 25:17-18 Remember what the Amalekites did to you along the way when you came out of Egypt. When you were weary and worn out, they met you on your journey and attacked all who were lagging behind; they had no fear of God."

kingxsamz:
Having clarified to who based on what? Based on FxMasterz's opinion? Will you see "thou shall not steaI" in the bible and claim it's something else?

How well are the Muslim extremists in 2024 doing in trying to ascertain the innocence of accused blasphemers?
So how do you think it'll be thousands of years ago when women were regarded as mere property? How would they prove their innocence in front of an angry mob? Shey you can see that you're not bright and I wasn't wrong about that?



Mu mu, but your Yahweh literally gave orders to men to sIaughter children and little infants inside your so called holy book. Same book we're debating over people being stoned to de ath (which MusIim folks do). So why wouldn't it be equated to Islamic violence?

And who's talking about Christianity?
Your god was the one who gave those laws, encouraged and endorsed them, so shut up.

Change of post. Where did Yahweh give order to men to slaughter children and women? Quote the places where that happened and I'll enlighten you.

First debate over people being sentenced to death by hanging, firing squad or other sentences in courts. I guess you're a rapist and that's why the death sentence in Israel's law is paining you so badly.

Muslims kill for their god because their god commanded them to do so. The Almighty God wants sinners to repent rather than their deaths. Allah has no room for repentance. If you don't believe in Allah, the law is for you to be beheaded.

God gave that law to Israel to deter crimes. He also instructed them to teach their children from childhood so that their would be no one ignorant of the law. That law delivered its intents as cases of rape were very low in Israel in those days. Throughout a period of over 4,000 years, there were only 2 rape cases recorded in that entire history!

Today, God is dealing with the world and not with Israel. He gave us Grace instead of the law. Fools like you are not only fools. You're also blinded by your foolishness so that you wouldn't even see the danger you're causing to your soul while reviling the One who has your breathe in His hands. You're lucky, God is not man!

kingxsamz:
Lol, Yahweh's children are always like that.
I answered your question and even raised many points which you ignored because you don't have any proper rebuttal.
You have nothing to say so you cIaim they're unintelligent because you wan use style run/ abandon the argument. 😂

It won't take you anything to acknowledge that your god was being fuuIish when he asked people to stone others to death.
And it's always you sky daddy fans who complain about musIim extremism, but turn around to defend the same nonsense in your Bible.
When you finally dle and meet your fuuIish sky daddy, tell him I said hi. 😀

You're quite very dull.

Having clarified to you that the 'shouting' clause is not to be taken literally, but rather to ascertain that the lady did not deliberately indulge in the act. Once that's established, no matter the circumstances, the lady is declared innocent, and the rapist would bear his judgement.

Only a fool would equate Islamic violence with Christianity just because of Israelis medieval constitution. The laws have nothing to do with religion. They were legal constitution for the nation of Israel in helping them administer their country. There was nothing religious about it. It has nothing to do with Christianity. They were just laws for government. You're just too ignorant and have little ability to comprehend issues.

kingxsamz:
Typical Yahweh fan. Ignored the numerous points I raised only to focus on one because he cannot counter the rest. How would they ascertain she didn't take the drugs willingly, In an era where a woman's voice is hardly heard?

The verse is as it says. That's why "the city" and "outside the city" was used to emphasize. And that's because your sky daddy wasn't smart enough to know that rape doesn't always involve shouting, which you also did not know until I schooled you.

Any other explanation outside it is useless.
If a duIIard like your god is unable to condemn rape outrightly, at least he should be sensible enough not to condone or endorse it.
But I'm not surprised, it's the height of fuuIishness the bible character had attained, he couldn't reason properly. 😂

I don't have time for your useless arguments.

If you cannot answer the important questions I asked you but decide to raise unintelligent points, they'll be ignored.

Whether you like it or not, the very day you die, you'll meet the Almighty God whom you're reviling in your foolishness.

kingxsamz:
I'd have ignored but at least make you and your god receive small sense.


Rapists can drug their victims.

Rapists can use their power and influence to subdue their victims.

Rapists can threaten their victims with a weapon such as a knife, in which the victim is forced to comply.

Rapists can take advantage of victims in their care. Like where a man tries to force himself on his housemaid and threatens to throw her out if she refuses or alerts anyone.

In a case where there are more than one person involved, the victim could be easily subdued.

We hear cases of consistent rape in households in the cities all the time which are mostly only uncovered when the victim seeks help or the aggressor is caught with evidence.

Just because one lives in a city does not mean they can be heard. What if it's a big house or an area where the houses are a bit distant from eachother?

One would expect an average person to know all this but because you people want to defend senseIessness, you spew all manner of rubbish.
Truly, your god is duII. If most societies didn't adapt such law, it goes to show how Incredibly unintelligent your god is. You'll probably come up with some lame response to this, but I won't be surprised. Naso Yahweh followers dey do.

You're still very unintelligent.

Even when rapists drug their victims as some do today, it is still a clear indication that the lady is innocent.

The sentence 'If she shouts' or 'If she does not shout ' is more of interest related than literal shouting. The literal interpretation is to determine whether the lady willingly engaged in the action or was forced.

22jumpstreet:
You are the one who those not understand anything..

The child has already been born when Isaiah was writing..so it can't be the jman. And verse 6 actually prove it is referring to a king....a king that will seat on Davids throne ..not a demi god..

So, where's that child today. His kingdom has ended. But the kingdom of the king prophesied is endless. Maybe you don't know that Jesus is a King. Hell sit on David's throne and reign forever and ever.

Now, are you telling me that the said child you're talking about was called the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, Wonderful Counselor as indicated in that scripture?

May God give you understanding.

kingxsamz:
What question? You mean the question about the scenario you created and concluded that's how rape happens every time?
I just told you that rape doesn't always involve the victim shouting or getting hurt and you're telling me to answer a useIess question.
You answer mine. Are those the only scenarios rape can occur?

Answer the questions and tell us other ways rapists get their victims not to shout!

kingxsamz:
Your problem is thinking that rape only occurs when somebody shouts or is badly injured. And I gave an instance to buttress my point which you ignored, along with the other points I made.
It's no surprise that Yahweh supporters reason and think unintelligently like him.
You should even be questioning why people are being asked to lynch and kiII two people for what could be sex/rape. Cus I'm sure if your government made such law you'd call it barbaric.

Answer the questions I asked, and stop babbling!