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The soul is trouble be bawo no be the purpose the bible he came for why bros j de beg he no won die🤣🤣🤣, baba de beg on top 3by4 wood... I taught he is God please am confused here...
Who is your God begging here again🤣🤣🤣🤣
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People even confused from God voice to angel voice🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂 some said na angel voice and some say na thunder 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kiriyo àti irọ

It seems you're deliberately antagonizing your own soul. Keep it up.

If people are confused about whose voice they heard, whether it was that of an angel or God, is their confusion your confusion too? Jesus was conversing with God, and God replied Him openly, and the people heard it. Whatever they made of the voice does not negate the fact that Jesus was conversing with the Father and the Father replied.

If your dad speaks to you and I hear his voice like that of an angel or thunder, does that mean that you father never speaks to you? May God open your ears and eyes.

The Father and the Son are one but while Jesus was on earth, He was dependent on the Father and on the Holy Ghost as a man. May God give you understanding.

MightySparrow:
One of the insincerity of men is not being objective in the interpretation of the Bible. None of the scriptures here or elsewhere contradict the claim of Jesus that no one had seen the Father. However, the Father showed Himself to people, making them to 'sleep ' or putting them in a sort of trance. This happened in the case of Abraham and in Genesis 15, during the making of covenant. Abraham knew something happened. He was conscious but not with his naked eyes. The same in Exodus 24. The same at the month of transfiguration. Think of it, of what significance is the transfiguration to the disciples? They couldn't stand the glory of Jesus. If Jesus is an ordinary man or mere Angel, why glory, which glory was He asking the Father to give Him af of right and possession?
Isaiah 6 clearly points to Jesus as explained by John in 12. John saw His glory and spoke about Him. Only in Isiah 6 is Seraph mentioned as seen somebody on the Throne. It mentioned about Jesus. In Revelation, there are no two Thrones guided by Cherubim and Seraphim in the Bible, towards the end. Only Jesus was seen there.

In all Father, Jesus (Man or Word) reason His name is Word not clearly known. Spirit represented severally by dove, lightning, seven headed candle stick, olive tree or leaves, eyes. These are symbols. All are beings. Everyone entity in heaven is a spirit including the Father. Devil is a spirit, angels are spirits, demons are spirits,. If there is a spirit called Holy Spirit, It can only be a being like others. If a being, It can only be The Father or The Son or a separate entity or part of a class. The idea that other spirits are beings but only Holly Spirit is a force is unimaginable.


My submission, trying to defend the identity of The Son or The Holy Spirit, the part of Godhead that interact with humans directly or by influence is not worth it. I am safe with the doctrine of Trinity. Deut. 29:29. Anyway, many people including in Bible people write all manners or think about God. Job and his friends thought they knew God, all of them were wrong. Solomon claimed God said,' He was going to dwell in darkness'; elsewhere, He said to dwell in unapproachable light . In Yoruba land, as many others we eulogize God with falsified words like He has crown on His head; . In any vision, no one ever saw the Father with any crowns. .

Many even believe they think for God. What they think God cannot do, He would not. . They think for God. .Such are Muslims and Jehovah's Witnesses. God takes orders from them .

You didn't address his concern.

He was saying God has no form and therefore He is invisible.

No one has seen the Father because we are in the flesh. God said to Moses 'You can't see my face because anyone who sees my face would die, but while I pass by, I'll allow you see my back. After I have covered you with my hand while passing by, I'll remove it and you'll see my back." It means God has a face and He has a back. God is not formless. He is only physically invisible. We'll see God when we put on our celestial bodies. We must not think we won't see God in heaven just because we can't see Him on earth. If God created man in His image, how can we say God has no visible form?

The only invisible person in the Trinity is the Holy Ghost. Stephen saw the heavens opened "and the son of man standing at the right hand of God." This tells you that God and the Lord Jesus' thrones in heaven are visible as noted by the two thrones in Revelation.

May God give you understanding.

Expanse2020:
Can you heard yourself when people they argue there whether is God voice or Angel and some say his voice was like thunder how did they understand the sound of thunder to be voice 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What was Jesus' response?

I understand that spiritual blindness cannot allow you see that it was God Jesus was speaking to, and it was God who replied Him, and the people heard the reply. Those who heard it like thunder make us know that Gods voice in thunderous. Psalm 89:3 describes God's voice:

"The voice of the LORD is over the waters;
The God of glory thunders;"

Expanse2020:
Since you too have heard the voice of God let us here how the voice sweet to hear ooo
Show us those people who heard the voice of God...I have made a claimed by what Jesu said in the bible and note the Jesus didn't said pharisees people you haven't heard the voice of God rather he used the general word You for all and sundry that never God voice haven't been heard

Did he say "no one has ever heard God"?

He was talking to some people. Go and read the full passage and stop being a nuisance.

There are thousands of incidences in the Bible, both old and new testament where the voice of God was heard.

There's a place in John 12:27-32

"27 “Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify your name!”

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up[g] from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die"

Expanse2020:
Can you here yourself they may not tell you because there testimony is through... They didn't see him and they conclude that the God buried him...joke of the century 🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣 they just assumed

John 5: And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, this is what Jesus himself said to nullify your claimed, John claimed and Deuteronomy lies being fed to your Brain

Jesus was telling the Pharisees that they have never heard the voice of God. He didn't say no one has ever heard the voice of God. Stop falsifying what Jesus said. Many people in the Bible heard the voice of God before and after Jesus came. God's voice is still being heard today.

Did I say they may not tell us because their testimony is true? Please go back and read what I said slowly. Stop saying what I did not say.

Keep deluding yourself with the words of a fake prophet called Mohammed. May God bless mercy on your soul.

Expanse2020:
Aaaahhh
Who did God told among them that he was the one who buried him
Can you see the assumption from you and the bible to lie to several billions of people

Who is there to confirm it that the God buried him
Who witness it that arch angel and devil are fighting for the corpse
Who are the witness

Jesus said nobody have ever seen God, hear him voice, see his appearance but here you are defending lies.....

Who was there when Allah or Jubril spoke to Mohammed? Who was there to confirm it that Jubril spoke to Mohammed? Can you see the assumption from you and your Quran to lie to several billions of people who have died serving a fake god?

Where did Jesus say nobody has ever heard God's voice?

Those who wrote the remaining parts of the book of Deuteronomy were not one person but many - Levites. The Levites are Priests for your information. They wrote and Joshua confirmed, being the leader God raised for the nation after Moses.

Kindly tell me why Mohammed endorsed the Torah if what was written inside it are lies as you claimed?

We believe God buried Moses as the Bible says. His body wasn't found till today. The Bible itself is a book of revelation. Those who said God buried him said it because they KNEW God buried him. They may not tell us how they knew but we know that their testimonies are true.

Expanse2020:
I taught you know bible Sha


DEUTERONOMY 34 5:6
The Death of Moses
5So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD. 6And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Beth-peor: [/b]but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day

[b][So God pick his remains up and buried him secretly 😂😂🤣🤣🤣 and they claimed no one knows the place till today.. in the same verse he was buried in the valley in Moab against or across beth-peor......

Another verse claimed when he died arch angel and devil are fighting each other on whose to claimed the body

Toor bible no go kill us...
My main question is who is there and who saw the God when he came down to buried him
To know that it's God that buried him


But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, 'The Lord rebuke you!' (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses’ body.)

You said God picked him up, and now you want to be playing smart using falsehood. God buried him. God didn't pick him up. Come on. If you've said God picked him up for burial, it would have been a bit accepted, but you said categorically that God picks him up. Why do you guys love lies?

Michael is not God okay. Michael is an angel.

Your question is unnecessary. Moses was a servant of God, and after he climbed the mountain to die, it is reasonable for the people to climb up after him to bring him down for burial. As they couldn't find his remains anywhere on the mountain, the people could logically conclude that God buried him. God could also reveal it to a priest among them that He had buried him.

Expanse2020:
Ehen shows us where were copied in the Quran oooo
So Levites were the people who said Moses was died in the Moab and buried there and they are
They are also that said he was died but God came down to pick him up himself..
I asked you did Moses meet Abraham and his third generation before he wrote the conversation between Adam and God

Can you quote where the Levites wrote that God came to pick Moses up Himself?

You know, in Islam, they're no revelation, so I wouldn't blame you for not understanding what revelation is.

Even today, there are prophets that can see you and God would show them your entire past life in an open vision as if they're watching a television screen.

If you can get to Ibadan, there's a prophet called Jide Orire. If you meet him, he can narrate a dream you had many years ago which you yourself might have forgotten about.

This is what the Bible says about Moses:

Exodus 33:11

"Inside the Tent of Meeting, the LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend. Afterward Moses would return to the camp, but the young man who assisted him, Joshua son of Nun, would remain behind in the Tent of Meeting.'

God narrated the past events He wants the world to know about unto Moses.

Expanse2020:
The same duetoronomy where the Moses died in the bible was he written...
The same duetoronomy he died in the land of Moab and was buried there but nobody no who buried him
The same duetoronomy he died but God came down to take his remain and nobody no where Moses was buried till today
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So you said Moses wrote genesis where it's full of Abraham and his first to 4th generation...did Moses meet Abraham alive to interview him directly to wrote about him

You read what I wrote isn't it? Remove your Islamic biases and go back to read again.

I repeat. Moses wrote from Genesis to Deuteronomy 31 before handling over to the Levites. The Levites completed the rest of the book to tell us how Moses died.

Moses wrote by divine revelation. Everything he wrote in Genesis were revelations, some of which were copied into the Quran with some accounts even corrupted.

I know you'll never see that because Islam is a serious blockade for truth. Keep deceiving yourself.

Expanse2020:
I wonder when your God is talking in the bible
When he asked Adam where are
Who is your God talking to
Because Adam didn't wrote the bible
Moses didn't wrote the bible
Jesus didn't wrote the bible
Who is he following talk to
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God says😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 who is he talking to is it the dead people or Paul that wrote the books

Deuteronomy 31:9
"So Moses wrote this law and delivered it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and to all the elders of Israel."

Moses wrote from Genesis up to Deuteronomy 31. He then delivered the book to the Levites who completed the book after Moses climbed mount Nebo to die.

Allah couldn't speak to anyone. Only mohammed claimed to hear his imaginary Allah. No witness. No other person ever heard Allan. Allah can't talk. Mohammed lied. Fact!

Stop listening to lies. The devil is out there attacking the truth with many lies. Islam is just one of them. Do you know that when people are joining satanism, it is part of their initiation process to blaspheme Jesus and the Holy Spirit? Only after that are they recruited into satanism. The religion of the person does not matter, he must first blaspheme Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Why? Think about it.

Expanse2020:
So your God but continue to asked that jamb questions too or
Ọgbẹnu tan
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He does till today.

Meanwhile, Allah cannot talk, let alone ask questions. Tell us any other person who.heard Allah speak apart from Mohammed who blows his own trumpet.

Heavensent01:
Igbo land have brown roof too but will be talking down on Yoruba about brown roof, go give them green roof to change now


People should be ashamed of what they feel is good for them right? That's how they like to rubbish Amala someone's native food and feel their smelling apu that make your shiit to be smelling like dead vulture is important than my sweet Amala that you don't need struggle to swallow

Those brown roofs are ancestral homes of people. Houses built about 100yrs ago. If Ibos don't have brown roofs, it means that their ancestors were living inside bush when Ibadan was already a city.

Empiree:
قُولُوٓا۟ ءَامَنَّا بِٱللَّهِ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَىٰٓ إِبْرَٰهِـۧمَ وَإِسْمَـٰعِيلَ وَإِسْحَـٰقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَٱلْأَسْبَاطِ وَمَآ أُوتِىَ مُوسَىٰ وَعِيسَىٰ وَمَآ أُوتِىَ ٱلنَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍۢ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُۥ مُسْلِمُونَ



والسلام على جميع أنبياء الله ورسله

Lol.

May God be merciful unto you.

Expanse2020:
Ok I guess those to left the chart later
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Me as God looking for Adam on earth in the bible
God: Adam where are you why are you hidden for me
Adam: my God don't come near me I don't want you to see as an naked..
God: continue to walk and search for Adam on the earth he created for himself
The same God searching for just one or two people in the bible Is

The same God watching all of us that we are billions of billions of human being on the earth

Is this not confusing
Abu 👍

God knew where Adam was and knew Adam had sinned. He asked Adam that question in order to test his sincerity. That sincere answer "I hid because I was naked' was what made God to eventually help him cover his unclothedness.

When we open up our shortcomings to God and live a life devoid of hypocrisy, His mercy flows towards us to give us strength where we're weak.

The same thing happened in Number 22:9 when God visited
Balaam:

"God came to Balaam and asked, “Who are these men that are staying with you?” 10He answered, “King Balak of Moab has sent them to tell me 11that a people who came from Egypt has spread out over the whole land."

God knew who the visitors were but He asked Balaam to see if he'll answer the question hypocritically. His honest answers moved God to provide him instructions regarding those visitors.

In Acts 5, some people sold a piece of land and came to Peter to lie about the sales. They brought part of the sales but lied to Peter that they brought the whole money. Peter knew instantly that they lied, and the judgement of God immediately came upon the liars. Till today, there are men of God who have a very close walk with God. You can't lie in that presence, it's dangerous. How much more the Omniscient God.

Acts 5:1-10
[b]"1 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.

3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”

5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. 6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”

“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”

9 Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”

10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events."[/b]

Empiree:
اَللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ وَسَلِّمْ وَبَارِكَ عَلَى سَيِّدِنَا مُحَمَّدٍ الْنَّبِيِّ الْأُمِّيِّ الْحَبِيبِ الْعَالِي الْقَدْرِ الْعَظِيمِ الْجَاهِ وَعَلَى آلِهِ وَصَحْبِهِ وَسَلِّمْ

ٱللَّٰهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ كَمَا صَلَّيْتَ عَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ ٱللَّٰهُمَّ بَارِكْ عَلَىٰ مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ كَمَا بَارَكْتَ عَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَعَلَىٰ آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ

Here's the translation of the text:

"Muhammad, the unlettered prophet, the beloved, with high esteem and great rank, peace be upon him and his family and companions.

O Allah, bless Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, as You blessed Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim. You are indeed Praiseworthy and Glorious. O Allah, bestow blessings upon Muhammad and the family of Muhammad, as You bestowed blessings upon Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim. You are indeed Praiseworthy and Glorious."

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It's a pity that this is all you could type in Arabic without considering the nonesense words spoken by Mohammed as found in some of your sahih Hadith.

You're so ashamed to bless your mohammed openly in English so much so that you had to hide the blessing under Arabic letters.

Is this man really worth following? Won't you consider the destination of your soul? What further proof do you need?

Ohyoudidnt:
You mean you don't understand your scripture?

The ability to “see” God spiritually involves perceiving His attributes, understanding His character, and experiencing His presence in a profound way. Through faith, prayer, meditation, and a pure heart, individuals can develop a deeper spiritual connection with God that allows them to “see” Him in a spiritual sense. nott physically sighting.

The ability to “see” God spiritually involves perceiving His attributes, understanding His character, and experiencing His presence in a profound way. Through faith, prayer, meditation, and a pure heart, individuals can develop a deeper spiritual connection with God that allows them to “see” Him in a spiritual sense.

While in the flesh, we'll see God's attributes only

How did Moses see God's back? How did the elders of Israel see God and even saw what was under His feet?

God is spiritually visible with blinding glory. He has a throne, and has hands with fingers. The Bible says the 10 commandments on the tables of stone were written with the finger of God. God has a fave. He has a body, and the Lord Jesus Himself is the visible expression of the invisible God. God created man in His own image.

God's back that Moses saw is also God's character and attributes?

We wouldn't need faith to see God when we get to heaven okay? We don't need prayer and meditation there to see God. We ourselves would possess the same body as Christ's Celestia body. We shall see God as He is. The Angels see Him daily.

Ohyoudidnt:
Seriously. My laughter is about breaking my sternum. Please this is worse than laughing gas.

The concept of God having a form or being visible is contradictory to the Scriptures that teach God’s (the Christian/Biblical one)spiritual nature.
John 4:24- God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth

Deuteronomy 4:15-17-Since you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire, take care and watch yourselves closely,
*so that you do not act corruptly by making an idol for yourselves, in the form of any figure—the likeness of male or female,
*the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air

1 Timothy 1:17-All honor and glory to God forever and ever! He is the eternal King, the unseen one who never dies; he alone is God. Amen.

Exodus 33:20- But you cannot see my face,g for no one can see me and live

John 1:18-No one has ever seen God,but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
Is this one and only son of Mary the virgin?

Romans 1:20-For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Colossians 1:15-Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation

While humans are created in God’s image and have bodies, this does not imply that God has a body as well. Instead, He is invisible and immaterial.

Exodus 24:10
"There they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there seemed to be a surface of brilliant blue lapis lazuli, as clear as the sky itself."

Exodus 33:20 -23
""But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen."

Mathew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."

All the scriptures you're quoting are talking about physical man seeing a spiritual God which is impossible. The naked eyes cannot see God, even though Moses was allowed to see God's back part. The spiritual man would see God. When we put off our earthly tabernacle, we shall see God. You can't see God in your flesh. Adam and Eve saw God regularly in Eden until they sinned.

SeraphEl:
Is not because you meant to insult me that you now also feel insulted ?!

I speak in the spirit of Elijah spoken of in these last days. If you take insult at the firey exchange, you must take it up with the GOD of Elijah.

Do not be the least in the kingdom by teaching that the laws of the LORD are abolished and obsolete. The LORD may forgive genuine ignorance. But consider yourself warned.

Put your arrogance aside. What spirit of Elijah is pushing you to insult a child of God and call him a fool in direct disobedience to the scriptures? Are you bigger than the Bible?

While I would admit that I might be in error to have used the term "Abolish" since the Lord Jesus indeed said He didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfil it, that does not negate other parts of scripture that says the law was done away with (Eph. 2:15, Heb. 7:. I'll personally do a comparative study of the English and Greek Bible to fully understand the messages God is passing across.

I simply asked you to create a thread and not derail the current thread, you returned here with arrogance and puffed up boasting. In what way have I insulted you?

SeraphEl:
Mr. Never mind your useless exegesis. It is very simple. Yeshua said HE did not come to abolish the law. But fulfil.

The END!!!!

Save your vain deceit and demonic discourse. You are nobody.

Obey the law of the LORD for you will be judged by it at the end of time.


The law returns to be obeyed by ALL mankind in the messianic era. Know this! Know peace. Know wisdom.



It does NOT matter what empty philosophical spin you claim in your foolish and perverse exegesis .

And WHO are YOU to abolish what GOD has NOT abolished’ ??

When I replied you, did I insult you?

What are the insults all about? People like you are the ones giving Christianity a bad name. You're a reproach to the Kingdom of God.

AbuTwins:
I asked what Only the Father mean?

When Jesus said "Our Father who is in heaven" does it mean Father and others?

When Jesus said "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (John 17:3). Was Jesus and spirit present as "True God"?

It is clear you are not sincere! And as such you can't bring just one verse!

It is clear you are very ignorant. I have given you kindergarten explanations, yet you're asking childish questions.

There's one Holy Spirit, and this one Holy Spirit is the Spirit of both Father and Son. This same Holy Spirit indwells all believers who become born again.

There are many scriptures that makes this position clear. I'll give you one. Here below is a scripture that speaks about the prophets of the old testament who prophesied about the coming of the Messiah and His sufferings:

1 Peter 1:10-11
"Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow."

Notice that the Spirit of God through whom the prophets prophesied is also called the Spirit of Christ. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and the Son. There are no two Holy Spirits, just let that sink. Whatever the Father knows, the Spirit knows. Whatever the Son knows, the Spirit knows.

God gives birth by what process? Through Mary right? If God gives birth to Jesus then Who gave birth to the Spirit? And why is Jesus and the Spirit barren? If God can give birth to Jesus why can't they too give birth like God?

That's why it is unnecessary to discuss doctrines with an unbeliever. Jesus came from the Father purposely to die on the cross. Nothing more. We today are the children of Jesus who He has begotten through His Word.

Isaiah prophesied thus about Jesus in 53:10:

"But it was the LORD’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD’s good plan will prosper in his hand."

You know when the Jews were asking Mohammed what the spirit is, neither him nor Allah had an answer. So, I'll excuse you for asking why the Spirit didn't progenate. These are deeply spiritual things that your mind cannot fathom. They're beyond you. You need some basic understanding of God to understand these things.

Jesus didn't come to earth to progenate, He came to die for sins. Through His death for sins, He begets spiritual children. We believers are all the children of God in Christ Jesus.

"For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus." - Galatians 3:26

This analogy is false and illogical!

This is a bland statement. You should debunk the falsehood and state the illogicality.

In the Qur'an Jesus is the the created Spirit from Allah! He was created by the Word of Allah "Be" and "he is".

He is simply a Human and messenger of Allah!

Whose Spirit is the said created Spirit? A spirit has a source. Spirits don't get created out of nothing. Spirits are not created out of clay or physical substances, they're transferred or sourced. Whose Word is that word? The Bible says the Word Became Flesh.

The same thing you do to the Bible is what you are implying in the Qur'an!
You will always do Eisegesis and exegesis without any Biblical verse!

I haven't done any exegesis for you. I'm just clarifying your ignorance.

The title of the thread is which Bible Verse Proves That The Spirit Is God Omniscient?
So answer the question!

The question is absolutely a wrong question to ask because God is is Spirit. You should rather ask what Bible verse says that God is omniscient. You're asking about the Spirit of God as though the Spirit of God is not God Himself.

So your analogy explaining trinity (with human body, soul and spirit) is illogical!

Bland! State what's illogical about it. If you can't comprehend what was said, I'll still break it down further for you.

If God became man then he becomes limited!
God by definition is never limited!
If Jesus is 100% God then he can't be human!
If Jesus is fully human then he can't be God!
If Jesus is 100% God and 100% human then Jesus is greater than the father who is only 100% God!
But the father is greater than Jesus!

Jesus is a human extension of the Godhead. A God man who came to die for man as a man while also showing man how to relate with God as men.

When I say Jesus, while He was physically on earth was God in His Spirit but man in His body, what do.you understand by that? He was the Divine playing a human role in the world to solve man's problems of sin and disconnection from God. That's why He's the Messiah.

AbuTwins:
Okay

He said only the father knows. Not the son! What does "only" mean?

That's with the understanding that the Father is one with His Spirit. Let me explain better.

The Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of the Father and of the Son. They share the same Spirit. You'll begin to understand their oneness from here. But still, the Spirit has His own office and can operate independently of the two. So, if the Father knows, the Spirit knows too. If the Son knows, the Spirit knows too.

This is your own eisegesis. Jesus didn't say he didn't know something as a man!
If Jesus is God then he should be omniscient at all times!
God's omniscience should be temporary!

First, when a dog gives birth, it gives birth to a dog, isn't it? When a man gives birth, he gives birth to a man, is that not? When God gives birth, He gives birth to God. Clarified?

Even in your quran, you can see that only Jesus has these trinitarian attributes: Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Allah. He is the Word of Allah. He is also a Human Messenger of Allah. That tells you that Jesus wasn't a mere man even according to your Quran.

You still haven't quote one single verse from your Bible from Jesus?

To support what?

This example is faulty as body, soul and spirit can not be separated with each functioning as a entity!
That's the difference between God and man. Man's body and soul cannot be separated with each functioning as an entity but God is not limited by man's limitations.

This is a Creedal believe that is not Biblical!
Which Bible Verse Proves That The Spirit Is God Omniscient?

Already explained above.

AbuTwins:
So this one is not doctrinal right?

Discuss your assertion in relation to:
1. Matthew 24:36 (NIV): "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
2. Mark 13:32 (NIV): "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Is Jesus not one with the father? Yet he does not know the hour!
How is the spirit one with the father when the word ONLY the father was used? Explain the English "ONLY the Father?

And it is false that the spirit is inseparable from the father!
The Father, son and Spirit are coequal, coeternal, distinct from each other according to the creeds!

The father can be in heaven while John is baptizing Jesus while the Holy Spirit will also be descending as a dove!

So which Bible verse(s) proves without ambiguity that the Spirit is God Omniscient?

It's not doctrinal. It's a clarification.

I've discussed it already except you're unable to understand what I said.

Did Jesus say that neither the Holy Spirit knows?

Jesus didn't know as a man. But God knows, and God is Spirit.

God is Spirit.

God and His Spirit are inseparable but they can operate independently.

Take for example;

Someone in the occult has his spirit. He and his spirit are inseparable but he can do astral projection by going into a far country for a meeting with his spirit while his body remains at home in the bed.

May God give you understanding.

AbuTwins:
God is Omniscient!

For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 1 John 3:20
Great is our Lord and mighty in power; his understanding has no limit. Psalm 147:5
Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary; His understanding is beyond searching out. Isaiah 40:28

Laying out the cards!
There are two Bible verses that proves the Holy Spirit is NOT Omniscient (i.e. does not know all things hence not God)!

1. Matthew 24:36 (NIV): "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
2. Mark 13:32 (NIV): "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

From the above verses, we see that Jesus despite being 100% God + 100% man (as some Christians claim) is not Omniscient!
We also see most importantly that ONLY the father knows all things. ONLY the father is omniscient!

So how is the Holy Spirit God?

Apostle Paul tried to correct the above after Jesus with:
"For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God." 1 Corinthians 2:11 (NIV)

But this falls short as Jesus already made the claim that NO ONE KNOWS THE HOUR BUT THE FATHER!

So Apostle Paul was wrong that the Spirit knows the thoughts of God and this is a contradiction to what Jesus said!

So which Bible verse(s) proves without ambiguity that the Spirit is God Omniscient?

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Lol.

God and His Holy Spirit are inseparable. Can anyone separate Abutwins from his spirit?

The Father and His Spirit are one. Just as Abutwins and his spirit are one.

Whatever the Father knows, the Spirit also knows.

AbuTwins:
I sound really incoherent now! ]The first lie is is your claim Allah is Ba'al. I showed you evidence that Allah is not Ba'al from the Qur'an. You and many other Christians share this same lie on the thread https://www.nairaland.com/8058628/valid-questions-expose-worlds-number
See attached!

No, you didn't bring any evidence. You can't use the Quran to prove that Allah is not Baal. We don't expect the Quran to expose itself like that.

Allah is Baal, see attached screenshots again.

But a disbeliever in Islam has the right to claim that Islam was renamed as Baal? You have no business in that too if you can't talk about trinity. Is that not foolish bigotry and hypocrisy?

These are unrelated scenarios. I've discussed Bible with you extensively and have also quoted scriptures. You can't use my refusal to discuss Trinity with you as an unbalanced conclusion? Why do most Muslims behave like this? We're talking about how Baal workshop came to be known as Islam, you're comparing that to the doctrinal topic of trinity. How are they related? Haven't I discussed other Christian topics with you that are not doctrinal? Or is the history of Baal to Islam transition doctrinal?

Check the background i wrote in the threads i tagged you. You don't read that's why you fail exams!

I've answered all your questions except doctrinal questions.

The divinity of Jesus, the claim of trinity and the Godship of the Holy Spirit are all core doctrines of Christianity!
And you have said you won't discuss this with an unbeliever!

But you only asked me about the Trinity doctrine. Why did you lie that I refused to answer the other 2?

Listen, if you don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, how would you understand the Trinity doctrine? I'll rather discuss the Sonship of Jesus with you than discuss the Trinity which far above your understanding. Someone who does not understand the Sonship of Christ wants to start dabbling into the Trinity of God. Is that not hilarious?

So what right do you have to discuss anything about Islam?
You soul is already on the way to hell!
Check your lies on that thread attached!

See, I'm already where I'm supposed to be eternally - in Christ. I'm not on my way to anywhere. I'm in Christ and would Forever be in Christ.

You should consider the lies and the deception you are clinging onto. If they didn't brainwash you, you would never have taken such a character as Mohammed for a prophet. The lies in the Quran are so obvious but indoctrination and brainwashing from childhood won't allow you see the lies.

Your Islam lied that Jesus didn't die, someone else died in His stead. If that's true, who was that someone who died in His stead? No answer!

Someone died in Christ's stead, yet the person has no grave.

Maybe you don't know that if Christ didn't die, then the whole plan of God's salvation is defeated. You don't seem to see that Islam was created by Satan to deny you of the benefits of Christ's death and His resurrection.

Your mohammed himself, while dying told you he doesn't know his own fate. You are inconsequential. You can never know who's on his way to hell. If Allah can cast people to hell, he'll never order unbelievers to be killed!

The true God waits long for unbelievers to come to Him until they die. Afterwards, He'll cast them to hell. He doesn't kill them when they still have long years to live and a lot of opportunities to repent. But Satan, Allah orders unbelievers to be killed because he has no power to cast anyone to hell.

AbuTwins:

Did you research anything from the Qur'an before you bring forth lies that Allah was Ba'al?

Yes, I did. That's why I didn't ask you irrelevant questions.

[quote[If you can't discuss biblical doctrines then the only things that remains is for you to lie about Islam to endorse Christianity.

You're sounding really incoherent. You couldn't even point to a single lie I told. You have been unable to intelligently debunk any of the Islamic deceits I exposed.

Talk about the false trinity you can't!

If you want to know my stand about this issue, I have spoken on it extensively on this forum in the past. Go and read my discourse with fellow Christians on that. I have no business discussing Trinity with an unbeliever.

Talk about the divinity of Christ you can't!

You never even once raised any discussion along this line. Why are you lying?

Talk about the how the holy spirit was made equal to the father! You can't!

Why are you lying Abutwins? We never touched on any such topic as this!

The core Christian doctrines that are unfounded in the Bible and dubiously interpreted twhrough eisegesis and debates in the first 500 years after Jesus!

Every doctrine I hold dear in the scriptures are all biblical and scriptural sound. You think I would joke with my life holding on to lies and being loyal to a false prophet at the detriment of my soul as you do? If you don't value your eternity, I value mine. I know the consequences of falsehood and of serving the wrong God. I would never allow any false religion to drag my soul to hell. That's unlike you who would see the obvious lies and deception of your religion and yet hold on to it out of mere loyalty to a dead Mohammed.

AbuTwins:
Where's the love he fulfilled in the old testament?
Why are you like this?

If someone is to fulfill a law then the law should be from the old testament!

Show where Jesus was mentioned to fulfill any law related to love?

You see the reason why I can't discuss Bible doctrines with you?

The question you're asking has neither head nor tail because you obviously don't understand what Jesus meant when He said He had come to fulfil the law. Should I then start taking you to the fundamentals?

Go and research first. The term 'fulfilling the law' is very broad, and your question does not correlate to the matter at hand.

AbuTwins:
This is a lie. The preface to the RSV has exposed this lie. I attached it earlier.

No, the preface you added earlier didn't say KJV added the verse dubiously.

I still don't understand why you always like to divert and deflect!

This isn't a diversion. I need to keep some comparative analogy of both the Bible and the Quran so that you can spot the difference.

Why can't you discuss it?
It is simple cos there's no evidence for it! It was an invention and innovation that came with the councils from Niceae to Constantinople and others!
You can't discuss trinity but you can argue on the Qur'an! Hypocrite!

Just as you told your brethren earlier you can create your own thread on that and tag me let me flog your ass!

I can discuss the Bible but not Bible doctrines with an unbeliever. Discussing Bible doctrines with someone who doesn't know God is fruitless. It leads to endless arguments that bear no fruits. You don't believe what I believe, so why should I drag you into the deeper things of my faith? I can discuss the Quran but not Islamic doctrines. Learn to spot the difference.

AbuTwins:
You skipped this in the last comment, why?

Why did Jesus say in Matthew 5:17:
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jesus came to fulfil the law. The Bible says Love is the fulfillment of the law:

"Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." Romans 13:10.

Jesus summarized all the law into the Royal LAW; to love God with all one's heart, and do love one's neighbors as oneself.

Those are the two laws Jesus brought, and He said:

"On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Mathew 22:40.

When you walk in love, you can't break any law. That's why Love is the fulfillment of all commandments. By introducing the law of Love, Jesus fulfilled the law.

Therefore, we are enjoined as follows:

"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him." 1 John 4:7-21

AbuTwins:
Bro you are a big hypocrite!
You knew all these yet you still quoted the dubious verse for me to prove trinity in the Bible!

You're the worst of deceivers!

The thread is not discussing the Qur'an nor Islam. So no one will entertain your diversions as you can't extensively talk about your Bible just like those Christians in the conversation!

Next time you quote verses your scholars has classified as dubious I will call you out as a fake pastor!

Prove trinity and you quoted verse you already knew were dubiously added to the KJV.

What a fraud you are!

The verse I quoted for you is not dubious. It's in the original manuscripts. No verse was dubiously added to KJV.

Don't get so agitated. Examine your Quran well. Your eternity depends on this advice.

I won't discuss the Trinity topic with an unbeliever. It's irrelevant to you. Let it suffice you to know that we serve only one God and not three Gods. Leave Christian doctrines for Christians okay?

Are you agitated because I exposed the fraud in the Quran? Pity your soul and open your eyes to the truth!

SeraphEl:
Correction: Yeshua specifically said HE did NOT abolish the law. Yeshua fulfilled the ritual law pertaining to sin and death.

The law of Moses was not abolished. You keep saying this dogmatically. It is not good theology.

Please create a thread for this topic and don't derail the thread.

I have treated this issue severally on this forum with overwhelming scriptural backing.

Please go and study your Bible. The scriptures say the Old Testament was abolished. Who are you to say they're not?

Create a thread or go through my discourse on this forum and counter me if you're not convinced by the scriptural references and exegesis.

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See what i prepare for my guests next time from the preface to the RSV!
Hope they won't pick race when next they see me or call me devil incarnate!

What problems do you have with the texts?

Even the King James version has been revised continually to bring it at par with the Greek texts.

We Christians understand that Translators are human and are therefore susceptible to errors. So, we study the Bible by comparing different versions of scriptures to get a clear understanding of each portion of scripture we're studying.

For instance, when a pastor is studying his Bible or developing Bible study notes, he does so with several versions on his table. As a result, human errors are minimized during studies and we're able to get the full picture of what the portions of scripture are saying.

While the publishers are truthful enough to let readers know the flaws in their translations because they want the readers to have the true Word of God, in Islam, the reverse is the case. Each publisher defends lies with more lies. They even deliberately mistranslate Arabic texts to mean something different when it derogates Allah. For instance, Al-makr which all Arabic dictionaries give its meaning as 'deception' is translated 'planner' by many mischievous publishers because they don't want to say exactly what the Quran 3:54 says "...Allah is the best of deceivers."

You should commend Bible publishers for their honesty. Christianity is not here to deceive anyone.