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It's A Good Thing That Muslims Understand The Bible. That's Intelligence!

It's A Bad Thing That Almost Every Christian Don't Understand The Quran. That's Unwise.


It's One of The Reason For The Many Chaos in The World.

Not balanced.

Anyone can understand the Bible because it is freely available to all. Muslims keep their Quran as a secret book and could kill a 'Kafir' for touching it. They hoard its contents among themselves.

Aemmyjah:
God's judgment has both good and bad
Salvation and destruction
One must exercise faith in God and Christ to be saved

Will God bypass that requirement?

He'll bypass that requirement only for those who never had the opportunity to hear about Christ. He wouldn't bypass that requirement for those who rejected the opportunity to hear about Christ, and those who heard about Christ but still rejected Christ.

Aemmyjah:
Someone born and raised in Afghan or Somalia and never read or seen a Bible but he's conscientious. How will his conscience tell him God has a son that he must put faith in?

According to the scriptures, he wouldn't be just by the standard of knowing whether God has a Son he must put faith in or not. Rather, he'll be judged by the actions he carried out in relation to his conscience. If he did something his conscience restricted him from, he'll be guilty. If he avoided that thing for conscience sake, he'll be justified. That's the position of scripture.

Romans 2:12-16

"For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel"

1 John 3:21
"Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God."

Aemmyjah:
What is natural law?
Does natural law tell you to exercise faith in God's son, Jesus Christ?

Natural law is the human conscience. It does tell you about faith in Christ but if you lived ever before Christ came to the world, or you lived in a disadvantaged place where you were unable to hear about Christ and God's gift of salvation, you would be judged by that natural law, according to the scriptures.

Aemmyjah:
Only infants
Many who did bad only did it out of ignorance

Remember Jonah
He wanted God to destroy the Ninevites even after seeing them repent
God said though they were wicked, they were a great city THAT DID NOT KNOW LEFT FROM RIGHT

From what Paul said in Romans 1 regarding God's natural laws written in our hearts, it is clear that God would judge everyone from that 'Law' even if they're never heard about Gpd before in their lives.

So, while infants may be generally excused, adults who lived well in accordance the 'natural law's would not be individually condemned. They were all just victims of God's general judgement on the nation.

Aemmyjah:
Beautiful
Honestly, it's beautiful comment
Will they find their way without learning and putting faith in God?

You know infants can't learn to the point of understanding or putting faith in God. It would be God's justice to have them excused.

Aemmyjah:
There are many of God's people that did not benefit from what they wanted but God still loved them.
David prayed that the child he had from adultery should not die. He died
Moses prayed 3 Times that he entered the promised land. He did not
Paul prayed that his thorn in the flesh be removed. It did not
Jesus prayed that the cup be removed from him. It wasn't


Would you tell me that all the firstborn of Egypt that were struck in the last plague, some were not at infant level?

The question is not for me because I told you that there's a clear difference between individual judgement and general judgement. Those infants who died in Sodom and Gomorrah for example could still find their ways to paradise. They were just victims of God's judgement on a nation, not that they were guilty of any individual wrong doing.

[quote author=Veecruz post=129203175]

Have you seen this heavy scrutiny happen to a child below 5?
But by 7 every normal person.is already a subject of inquisition and scrutiny for their action as proven by the fact that most children with still grew through nursery and primary school together with their age mates despite the different cognitive abilities. So there is nothing.separating anyone from lyability based on cognitive difference.

So, even an slowpoke too? How do you practice your own law? Besides, man can peg an age to judge individuals, does that mean that God would use same yardstick as men? What's difficult for you to understand in these things?

As i said, you do not have any valid thing to say.

Simply because you have no single respect for the Word of God. If God's Word is of less value to you than your own 'superior' thoughts, how would you see anything of value in a Bible based position? That has always been your normal rant, even when you've never said anyone reasonable.

Of course you have to dodge for now you clearly see that you seriously pooed on yourself in not appreciating that God always used our natural and ordinary living.activities to explain His Lessons and Teachings and most especially that i know that your plan was to argue forever by raising any thing you can use to prolong the asrgument.

So, what did i.dodge? Which natural activity told you that humans become accountable at age 7?

For your information, to God, there are those who'll be accountable before 7, those who'll be accountable by.7, those who'll be accountable after 7, and those who'll even never be accountable!

See Dodging and Deflection! Now you know that Natural Law and Natural Rights come from God and not Budha.

Would you show me where I said natural laws come from Buddha? I think it's high time I stopped dignifying you with a response!

I'm the one who's supposed to ask you whether you've now seen that God is not nature as you errornously proclaimed!

Exactly how you categorically pretend to not understand that there are many things outside the scriptures eg Life and living and Natural Law and Natural Rights which is you dodged aanswering "Is there any scripture which clearly says "A person should only be convicted if they.know that what they did was wrong as in the case of children and imbeciles nd slow persons as you call them. Even the word slow and slowpoke are not in the scripture, yet you are making noise as if your name FxMasterz is scriptural.

You're not saying anything at all. Would you show me where I said people should not be held accountable for their wrongs if they don't know that what they did was wrong? If this is what you understand by all that wee have been discussing so far, I'm very sorry.

Do you even understand what the term 'accountability' is? Does a person become unaccountable because he doesn't know that what he did was wrong? How can you draw such an inference? If you don't understand something as basic as accountability, you don't have any business discussing this topic.

For clarity, let me summarize my position to you again:

God does not hold people accountable for sins until they reach the stage (not age) of accountability. Age of accountability varies from person to person because developmental.proceses are not equal. Is there anything such as stage of accountability with God? Absolutely YES! That's why such scriptures as the 'Let the little children come into me..' and the 'From 20yrs old upwards must die in the wilderness ' exist. These scriptures didn't tell us that God has an age of accountability but they tell us that God has a stage of accountability.

Now, does God have an age of accountability? NO! There's no scriptural backing for such theories. Anyone saying God holds people accountable at 7 or at any other age is just spewing his own gibberish!

Please, you are very brainwashed

What's the brainwashing in a topic about stage or age of accountability? How does anyone become brainwashed just because of his stand on such a matter? It's either you don't know the meaning of the words 'brainwashed and accountability' or you don't even understand the topic of discussion at all! How can anyone be talking about 'brainwashing' in such a matter like this? Should I even be discussing with you at all? Do you even measure up in any way?

Aemmyjah:
He was not a baby
He was a child
God did not kill him
He was already terribly sick and God allowed him to die so he can be buried by his family and get proper mourning
God wanted to wipe the entire family out with cruel death.

Perhaps, the boy was showing good behavior unlike his siblings before he fell sick

Are we not saying the same thing? Whether he was a baby or a child - is there any difference?

The thing is that God refused to heal him when He was sick. He died without benefiting from God's healing because God was judging his family.

Aemmyjah:
Such nation did not have such individuals
Jehovah has rescued his own helping them escape judgment

God judging on individual basis is different from God judging a nation. Even the righteous do suffer when a nation or generation is judged. Let alone those who are not yet accountable. Or, have you not heard about the Judgement, that God would judge each individual according as his works shall be? When individuals stand before God, they'll be judged on the basis of what they did since the very time they reached the stage of accountability in their developments.

General punishments on the other hand could affect even the righteous. Take for example the judgement of God on the house of Jeroboam:

God pronounced heavy judgement through painful deaths upon the house of Jeroboam in 1Kings 14. But there was a baby who alone would die a peaceful death. Not because he was a baby, but because God could see his heart and know what good things he would do for God in the future. Nevertheless, He still had to die because God was at the time judging his family: A general punishments waa going on for a grievous offence.

In verse 13, this is what God said about the baby:

"All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only one belonging to Jeroboam who will be buried, because he is the only one in the house of Jeroboam in whom the LORD, the God of Israel, has found anything good."

That scripture above is talking about a baby who had not sinned, neither had reached the age of accountability, but yet had to die young because God was judging his family. However, he alone died peacefully and was buried, while others died painful deaths, and were never mourned.

Veecruz:
[quote[O boy, why do you disgrace yourself?. Do.you not see all the inquiries taken to see and prove the guilt or excuse when a person is actused of wrongdoing?

If he is slow do people not come out to say "e no well o, leave am. E no know wetin e dey do, see am na"" And they point out the evidemce of his anomally

And if he is too sharp, do they not say "hol am! Hin bo wetin e dey do. No mind am o. Na so e dey do"

All tbese tbings and more play out before a person is convicted for a wrongdoing, so in the end it is only if a person is truly guilty, that he can be justly convicted, no matter his rate of cognition.

Does that not then justify my position that accountability cannot be pegged at a particular age? Does that not justify my saying that people develop at different paces and therefore cannot be treated the same way? What type of argument are you making. You're further buttressing my points and yet go all the way to throw insults!

Every normal person knows these things,so you disgrace yourself when you act like you.do not know, all because you hate to be corrected.[/quote[

And on the basis of what every normal person knows, I made that balanced position!


[quote]How many times did God Say "which one of you?" Or can you.count the number of times God used the things we do to explain Himself eg who lights a lantern and put it under the bed? Or who would not pull out his ox which fell into a pit on the sabbath? Or who lays a trap in the sight of his prey?

Very irrelevant response.

You are just doing the strategy of unending argument so as to cover your shame. Is it budhist who made the Natural Law and Natural Rights which you are using to.say that "A person should only be convicted if they.know that what they did was wrong?"

Irrelevant question. Was I the one who said God is nature? Were you not the one who said so?

Tell me where nature said everyone is held accountable at 7.

And tell me where I said people should be held accountable only if they know what they did was wrong. Do you even understand this topic at all?

Is there any scripture which clearly says this? Yet, you are acting on it and making noise with it.

Would you tell me what you understand by what I said? I have not said anything categorically.

O because your teachers did not teach you therefore, no other thing exists outside what your masters taught you.. O So you are the example of the people
who atheist say that they.can not learn anything outside what their masters and church taught them.

Irrelevant rants. Any teacher that teaches contrary to the scriptures is rejected outright by me! Who are your anti - scripture teachers that taught you thet God is nature, and that your reasonings are higher than the Word of God?

No wonder. You are truly brainwashed hence your newphobia.[/b]

No. I'm nonesensephobia. Any argument that has no scriptural root is nonesense.