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TenQ:
The Lord is our strength!

Have a beautiful night rest.
Shalom!

Amen.

TenQ:
This is why we should never revenge when they do their evils to us because they do what they do against us with their ignorance.

We shall continue to pray for them as we educate them

I can see the wisdom is this advice.

TenQ:
You got it perfectly!

Islam inoculates muslims from the truth of the gospel from their infancy. They demonize christians as worshipping three Gods (even when they know it is untrue) and the Jews as being the most filthy of human beings. When they are confronted with illogicalities, absurdities, lies and fabrications in Islam, they feel they have no other religion to go to.

They instead intensify on their religion while blocking their ears and eyes to glaring truths from the bible HOPING that God would be merciful to them because they have done ALL for him alone as they have been told.

Unfortunately, a contract is binding even if it was with a 419: And indeed Allah is the greatest 419 Deceiver.

Bro, at the bolded, you hit the nail in the head! Satan is well advanced in his art of deception.

Chai, see logic: Finish them young, demonise all other ways; set them on this single path as the only option.

What else can anyone do for such an individual who has been falsely made to believe that he has the best option?

TenQ:
Of course, there are several things Muslims hide from their religion
1. They Deliberately mistranslated the Qur'an to hide their embarrassment. Their translations cannot be trusted one bit.
2. They will summarize Tafsirs they feel has gone to too much details into a few words or Deliberately cut off translation at a point.
3. Even when you catch them red handed, they will insist a word doesn't mean what it says but another.
4. Others they refuse to translate into English hoping that people wouldn't know how bad their prophet and religion is.

We should pray for them for indeed Allah is the best Deceiver!

Without the Decking of endless lies, Islam cannot survive.

The problem is that they value religious loyalty more than the destination of their soul.

If Jesus Christ was as bad as Mohammed in morality, or the Christian scriptures were falsely translated to hide truths as done with the Quran and hadith, I wouldn't be a Christian. Why should anyone deliberately hold on to lies without considering the destination that such lies are leading him into?

jaephoenix:
Translation
These damned atheists are just too smart for me

Wrong!

TenQ:
To keep Muslims in ignorance, Allah commands them NOT to Ask Questions

1. Qur'an is expected to be CLEAR and SIMPLE to understand. Yet, they need thousands of Hadiths and Tafsirs for Muslims to agree on what the Qur'an clearly says

2. Allah forbid Muslims from asking questions so that they won't lose their faith

Qur'an 5:101
O you who believe! Ask not about things which, if made plain to you, may distress you . But if you ask about them while the Quran is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has forgiven that, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Forbearing”



These two combination make them completely fearful of asking any serious questions about their faith.

They would rather discuss whether it is halal or haram to grow hair on the armpits or whether to sleep on one's stomach or back or whether to eat toad or frogs. SMH!

That makes Islam a cult.

And it is indeed a cult. Even their quranic verses are difficult to find online. Except you know the particular verse you're looking for, you can't just type a phrase and pull out that whole verse on Google. In contrast, a simple Phrase online can pull a whole lot of scriptures for you. Why are they hiding their Quran so much?

You know, there was a time I had wanted to create a thread about how Allah was swearing by anything he could find. I didn't have the surahs off hand, so I searched all of Google to no avail. Eventually, I abandoned the idea. About three weeks thereafter, advocatejare created a similar thread to my surprise. He gave full details of the quranic verses and hadiths. I remember you also supplied additional verses on that thread. Meanwhile, I had previously struggled for up to a week to pull out these verses without success. It was then I knew that they're even hiding their Quran from being easily accessible online.

Islam has a lot of things to hide. You and advocatejare as well as a few others have exposed a lot but I'm sure there is an ocean of lies out there yet to be unveiled. Even this thread itself is a shocker.

IniAkpanMorgan:
I kicked the Levitical tithing in the ass the very day I descended into the depths of revelation concerning the tithe Abram was said to have given to Melchizedek, the High Priest of God, and in Hebrews 7:1-4, he is addressed as the King of Righteousness and the King of Peace.

In the passages of Genesis 14:18-20, while being mindful of taking note of the process of time between the passages of the same Chapter in verse 17, when the King of Sodom heard of Abram's victory, and made out to meet him in his stadium at Shaveh, and verse 21, which throws up the picture of the deal the King of Sodom attempted to enter with Abraham: in which he begged Abram to take the national wealth of Sodom, but give to him the people.

When Abram returned from securing a defined victory against 4 nations, he was basking in the glory of a national leader. As at that time, he was in charge, and the people were allegeant to him, who was their deliverer from a pending slavery.

God, who knows all things at its conception, realised that the King of Sodom would offer Abram a great deal. He needed Abram to have no interest in all that was, at that time, in his powers and under his control.

Now the passages of Genesis 14:18-20 shows what happened after the King of Sodom prepared to meet Abram at Sheveh, before they met: Melchzedek visited Abraham, the same way Jesus visited Saul on his way to Damascus. Only the 2 of them were concious of the meeting.

Mechizedek visited Abram with bread and wine, the same symbolic representation of the needed sacrifice for the redemption of mankind from the bondages of sin amd death. He showed Abram his position with God in his greetings in verse 19.

He called Abram as being of the Most High God, who owns the heavens and the earth. In this picture, by which Abram learnt the faith he was reputed for, he saw the booties of Sodom as nothing compared to tbe plans of God, which he was to marshal as the Father of the Faithfuls.

Abram chose Divine Ministry than human Governance. That victory Abram won was God's, not his. God faciliated the victory to bring Melchizedek to Abram at that point in time, to trade wealth for the salvation of mankind.

Abraham won against 5 nations with just 318 "trained servants". One would wonder how just 318 men would overcome the armies of 4 nations, led by their Kings, who were earlier victors in their war against 5 other nations. It shows the 318 Abrahamic servants were trained by the elements of the earth and by the leadership of Abraham, who inspired them.

Let me digress and say this: the elements of the earth trains us too when we allow them. That is why the nomadic Fulanis appear to be outside of western civilisation: they are wild, though they may look good, frail and vulberable. They fight to no end when in a fight. They are implacable when aroused.

At the time Melchizedek met with Abram before the King of Sodom did, Abram possesed both the economic and political powers of Sodom - the wealth and the people - taking Genesis 14:14-16 in view.

Whether Mechizedek received materiql wealth from the hands of Abram, or if it was a commitment he made to Mechhizedek, that because of a greatest divine plan for the salvation of mankind, he needs to forego whatever was Sodom, I dont know and i cannot tell.

But we are not left without an answer:

Genesis 14:21-23 leaves us with the answer. Abram co fesed to the Ki g of Sodom that he has lifted up his hand to the Most High God, Possesor of the Heavens and the Earth, that he will not take whatever is Sodom's, lest the King says he made Abram rich.

Where did our Pastors across the globe get their doctrine around this humble and well documented encounter, using it audsciously to take money from congregants in the name of tithes, citing this humble and well documented event involving Mechizedek and Abraham?

They have made themselves the representatives of Melchizedek and their congregants, the represbtatives of Abram. They bless, you give. A shamless extortion from the vulnerable.

Worst of it is that they chose to adopt the theroretical philosophy of the Jewish preisthood, where a man is needed to stand for people before God. They love the powers they enjoy over people who are under their influence, exerting powers to run their lives and their resources, applying sweet cunning words, using scriptures for valudation. Shouting at everyone in good and smooth spoken English, throwing themselves about aerogantly, prophesying lies!.

Nobody sent them to do what they are doing. That is their own means of survival. Unfortunately, it makes them super rich. Now they have left the message at the Pulpit, using the Pulpit as their Soapbox.

I dare them to raise their heads, you will all see shame written all over them. They are all nothing but skew men who are rich on people sweat, and have an appalling bloated ego. They know nothing!

I am Ini Akpan Morgan

Your assertion is wrong my brother. Remember that no one has perfect knowledge, so therefore we must be open to other's view before making a conclusion.

In as much as I gained something from your article, I am not in support of the inferences you drew to establish your position.

There wasn't an exchange of wealth for salvation as you posted. That would mean that Abraham paid the price for salvation, and therefore, the death of Christ is useless. However, the scriptures made us know that this salvation we now enjoy was purchased for us by the blood of Christ.

Abraham didn't represent anything in God's divine plan of salvation. He did nothing for mankind. Only Jesus did. Abraham is respected as an example of faith and righteousness and the foundation upon which the Levitical priesthood was built. The transaction between him and Melchizedek was strictly personal.

The matter of tithing in today's churches didn't arise from the Melchizedek episode. It's wrong to base your entire ideology on a single portion of scripture so errorneously interpreted and then go ahead to castigate others on that basis as you have done. I think you've been too hasty in your judgement. You didn't even allow the defendant to defend himself before giving your sentence.

The Melchizedek priesthood was the real deal. The Aaronic priesthood was just a shadow. This is clearly demonstrated in the book of Hebrews. We cannot go into full details but suffice it to say that Jesus Christ is the original High Priest and not Aaron after the order of Melchizedek.

I support some of the things you said about pastors especially the way they make themselves as demigods over God's people, but your position on tithing is not well grounded biblically.

Take for example what the Lord Jesus said to the Pharisees in Mathew 23:23

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former."

Jesus clearly told them that tithing is necessary but more important matters should not be neglected. All should be done.

Now, you may want to wave that off as an instruction meant only for the Pharisees and not for Christians. I suppose the book of Hebrews relating to Melchizedek provides clarity on Jesus' position regarding the issue.

Hebrews 7:8-17
New King James Version

"8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives. ,"

While making a case for the discontinuation of the levitical priesthood which was replaced by the priesthood of Christ, the book of Hebrews strongly opined that there can be no priesthood except there are gifts to be offered. To illustrate the point, the gifts of tithes was used.

We know that we offer other gifts through our High Priest as Christians. The sacrificial life we live in Obedience to the Lord while shunning worldly alurements is in itself of a sweet smelling savour before God.

But, the Holy Spirit in the book of Hebrews actually chose tithes to illustrate the gift receiving aspect of the Priesthood of Christ.

The position being postulated is that mortal men (The Levites) cannot keep receiving tithes because they die, and so their priesthood can't continue. But there is Someone else who receives tithes in the New Testament, and this Someone actually lives forever.

TenQ:
It was a pun by me o!
Their claim is that
1. Allah cannot be described, unfortunately we see examples in their own books how Allah is described.
2. Allah cannot incarnate, unfortunately, we see Allah incarnating into several forms in their own Islamic books

The incarnation of Allah is so mixed up that not one Muslim can know how he would identify Allah on judgement day.

This is exactly why not one Muslim have had the gut to respond to this post. The truth of it hurt them bad!

The major problem with Islam is that they're not allowed to freely question the system like it's done in christiendom where questions and answers forums are very common. Legalwolf once told me that he loves Islam because they're taught to seek knowledge. I just laughed within me. The Bible teaches the importance of seeking knowledge far more than the Quran. Knowledge related verses abound in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, but there's also a clause to 'prove all things and hold tight to what is true,' Even in Isaiah, God called the people of Israel saying 'Come, let's reason together' meanwhile, Islam wants you to swallow everything hook, line and sinker without questioning, else you'll be beheaded.

jaephoenix:
You have committed at least 4 fallacies with this post. When you said general opinion god exists, what god are you referring to? Remember about 6000 years ago people were worshipping trees, rocks etc as god. Do they qualify too? And yet they can't prove such rocks have powers, just like you can't prove yours.
And again, he who alleges must prove

Those who would be damned would be damned. There's no need to clarify issues to someone who is obstinately clinging to perdition.

megajamz01:
The general overseer of Spirit and Life bible church, Bishop Gordon osagiede Jr. has landed in Pakistan. He is accompanied on the trip by his lovely wife. Pastor Martha Gordon Osagiede. While in Pakistan he is expected to conduct the Jesus believers outreach which is an evangelistic program of the church, also host the excellent couples program. Saints and brethren from the church in pakistan are excited as this is the first visit of the general overseer to that family. Spirit and life bible church is also present in other Asian countries and the rest of the world and has its headquarters in Nigeria, West Africa

Nice one!

jaephoenix:
Translation
I give up, these facts are getting too much for me.


Anyway, have a nice day. Next time you wanna argue with atheists, try and be properly prepared, else you'll be eaten alive. Ciao

Eaten alive? Honestly, I don't consider your arguments intelligent enough. Go through the threads and read objectively. It's very easy to see how biased and half-baked your argunehts are.

Have a nice day too bro.

TenQ:
It is called inductrination and brainwashing from childhood.
Satan the Deceiver created a pseudo-religion specifically to look like the truth but is gross darkness to put them in Hell.

We'll pray for them as we expose the lies of Islam.

Look as they've all become silent at this post. The hadiths are all Sahih and they can't deny them.

Hmm

LordReed:
Are you minding the hypocrite. He was the first to mention that it was dated to 5000BCE



but now that he can see that the fact demolishes his argument suddenly it is irrelevant. Bwahahahahaha!

If we want to start talking about dates, that's a different topic entirely. The current discussion is not in your favour so you shifted the goalpost to date anomalies. Meanwhile, you and I know that no one can be perfectly correct about dates. We can only approximate and yet in the approximations, there's never a guarantee.

I don't want to engage in fruitless arguments just for the sake of it. It's just another way of wasting time with folks who are totally sold out to their own biases. I have better things to do with my time. I'll rather engage in things that edify my spirit than waste time on useless arguments to no profit. It wouldn't end, it's endless argument.

The more you write, the more I counteract you and vice versa. So, I'll just ignore. We can argue on other topics later on. I'll stop wheh I have already driven home my points. I've done that here already, so bye, except you want to be arguing with yourself.

TenQ:
It is obvious that Mohammed is the pseudo-Allah of the Muslims.
Mohammed portrays the intelligence of a 6th Century Arabian man which is well displayed in the Quran.

All their scientific miracles at best reveal the ignorance of the author of the Quran.

That's the truth. It baffles me how some educated people would hold such a book in high esteem.

LordReed:
Oga just make it make sense. You can attempt to tap dance your way around the stern facts but facts don't care about your stories. The facts destroy your arguments thoroughly so you refuse to examine them instead you cling to stories. Bwahahahahaha!

This is absolutely empty. Nothing in reference to the main discourse here. Just a defensive rant.

jaephoenix:
Reality is what anyone can see and attest to its existence. Your daddy didn't write nothing

Physical reality is different from spiritually reality. I have spiritual reality as well as physical reality. You have none.

jaephoenix:
Can tou prove the red wicked unicorn exists?

There's a general opinion that God exists. You're one of the negligible few who have a contrary opinion. The onus lies on you to prove to us that we are wrong.

jaephoenix:
Dead. Your point?

They're not just dead people but dead nations. Are you looking for testifiers among dead nations?

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! The article repeatedly says there were legends preceding the Noah's flood tale and here you are accusing me of cherry picking. LMFAO!

Which other cultures talk about Noah's flood? None. Even Noah's flood is a copy of a different flood story so what are you on about.

Explain how this Black Sea flood covering an area of 150,000 square kilometers can be remotely compared to the Earth's total area of 510,100,000 km². Just make it make sense.

A more honorable person would have made a more noble response after I argued that the existence of the legend itself is confirmation and that the Bible painted more details about it.

You should go and ask the writers of the article to examine how the black sea flood covering an area of 150,000 square kilometers could suggest evidence for the Noah flood. At least you know better than those archeologists who made the deduction. Am I the writer of the article?

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! Just make it make sense my guy. LMFAO!

If you're a honourable man, you wouldn't start talking about years when we're talking about floods.

TenQ:
You will notice how they have pretended not to have seen this embarrassing information.

Islamic narratives are mainly wishful thinking based on lies to defend Mohammed aka Allah.

I tell you. Everything in the Quran can easily be explained away by human logic. I mean the logic of an unlearned human being. When tested with science, the entire logic falls. And if you go further testing it with spiritual reality, it's nowhere to be found. The intelligence of the Quran is not rated above that of a very intelligent illiterate.

LordReed:
BTW the estimated date by Christians for Noah's flood is 4004 BCE not 5000 BCE. Some Christians even make it later than that, I have not seen any Christian say it was 5000 BCE. If you put the the date at 5000 BCE then the Earth cannot be 6000 yrs old according to Young Earth Creationist timelines. From Adam to Noah's flood beginning is 1600+. 5000 BCE + 1600 + our current 2023 CE will mean the Earth is 8600 years which by the Bible doesn't make sense.

Irrelevant.

LordReed:
LoLz! Like you cherry picking yours right.

From where you stopped:

"It probably was a bad day," Ballard said. "At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under."

The theory goes on to suggest that the story of this traumatic event, seared into the collective memory of the survivors, was passed down from generation to generation and eventually inspired the biblical account of Noah.

It DOES NOT say it was Noah's flood or even suggest that it could be. It says that it could be what inspired the legends that eventually inspire the Noah's flood tale.

Even the area the flood is said to have covered 150,000 square kilometers is insignificant compared to the Earth's total area of 510,1000,0000 square kilometers. How can it remotely be compared to a global flood?

Chai!

They agreed that a catastrophic event must have happened with the dating of that event going back to about 5,000 BC which is about the same time as the flood of Noah according to the article.

That's further buttresses by the the opinion that says the witnesses of that catastrophic event must have passed down the story to their descendants. They believe that this stories so passed down by the survivors could have influenced the biblical stories of Noah. What could be clearer than this?

We know that the biblical story wasn't influenced externally. It was a divine revelation to Moses. The event was vividly described.

If Noah's flood really happened, then there should be legends preceding the biblical account. If there are no such legends, then the biblical account could be faulted.

The fact that survivors have their own side of the story passed down apart from the Biblical account gives credence to the biblical account. The biblical account provided fuller details so much so that a date could be fixed for the event.

Now, if there are no such legends, atheists would be the first to ask why it is that only the Bible is talking about an event that happened to everybody? Now that there are references to it in other cultures, they've got to change the narrative to ',it could be infiuenced'. They can't even talk in absolutes. Whatever the Bible claims, it does so in absolutes. There's no 'it, may', 'it could' nonesense in any biblical position.

NairaLTQ:
You expect Muslims to be able to answer these questions after you just gave them hadiths that will make their job impossible.

You get time sha!

You don't know these guys. Even when you quote from their Hadith, they have the habit of saying you're lying. When you ask them whether you're the one lying or the Hadith you quoted from, they'll start looking for Bible verses to quote out of context to derail the topic. That's their stock in trade. The fact that they're keeping mute on this means they're hard hit.

Muslims are seriously praying for this thread to buried down down as fast as possible.

LordReed:
I quoted it already. You quote where the article says this flood could be Noah's flood.

I have always known atheists to be seriously biased. They cherry pick sentences in articles and distort the context to look as though it's supporting their atheistic fallacy.

advocatejare:
AntiChristian, I’m still awaiting your response!

So, he fled?

LordReed:
No, they found evidence that suggests the flood could be what was legendised and formed the basis for the stories that serve as the source for the Noah tale. If you are disputing this quote where in the article it says these findings suggest Noah's flood happened.

You should quote the article to perfectly include these lines bolded above.

1Sharon:
Obviously non believers put it there

What would none believers do with a book they don't believe in? Muslims who found new lights put it there.

correctguy101:
Ah yes, all those Nigerians that pretend to go Hajj just to japa...

You too get sense

So, they all agreed to drop it at the same spot? You must be a genius.

The title is misleading. The man didn't drown during the baptismal exercise. He drowned when he went back to the river to collect water.

TenQ:
Unfortunately, they've so much inoculated themselves against the gospel from infancy. They reject anything about Christ that may lead them to heaven but accept the mundane things that has nothing to do with Salvation.

I tell you. How can washing of head, ears and feet with water cleanse a spiritual entity such as a soul? How can one be so deceived to believe that his soul is being cleansed while pouring water on the body? Very mundane indeed.