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Buhari is clueless...

sokera:
The fact is every zebra crossing should have a traffic light , you can't just jump on the road because you see the zebra crossing sigh but it is in Nigeria you see a zebra crossing sigh without a traffic light ...

This is untrue, in England, there are no traffic lights at Zebra crossings.

KingEbukasBlog:
You need to read this article : http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/175434/1-4-swedish-women-will-be-raped-sexual-assaults-daniel-greenfield



I am telling you to explain how there could a rise of a particular religion and atheism at the same time in the same country . . You've failed to defend your claims here , young man .



And again, he fails to reconcile the rise in the number of Muslims in England and the 'surge of atheism ' in the same country . Mention me whenever you stop being disingenuous .

Did actually read where I showed that even though there is a surge in Muslim immigrants in Europe that UK has slammed it's doors, refusing to take in their fare share of refugees?

Or do you just skim through my posts and respond selectively?

Let me repost again, migration in 2015 per capita of various countries in Europe. Please observe the number of immigrants that were allowed entry into the UK, it is very insignificant. Furthermore, if you check the demographics of the UK population, native white British citizens still maintains a healthy lead over everyother group.Therefore, if this group abandons religion, it will greatly impact statistics, even if other minorities become more religious.

Also, the surge in my Muslim migration to Europe is not equivalent to Muslim migration in the UK as Non-EU residents are subject to UK border control.

Make sense?

KingEbukasBlog:
Prior to the 'surge of atheism ' in Sweden , the country has always struggled with rape cases . The 'surge of immigrants' in the country simply exacerbated the problem .

I'm not sure why are falsely accusing me . You made claims that atheist countries are safe to live in . A country like Sweden where 1 out of 4 women being likely to be raped does not sound like a safe place to live in . Whoever perpetrates this despicable act is not the concern here .

You also claimed that there is the 'rise of atheism' in England . And I told you that

1. This is not so because of proliferation of Muslims in the country.

2. The country is witnessing a rise in irreligiousity (No religion) and not atheism . I provided a snippet as proof (source : The Guardian ) . It made no mention of atheism

You just pick out bits of my posts which you are able to object and ignore the rest

When you brought up Sweden, I demonstrated that the high number of rape cases in Sweden is as a result of many factors. It is also widely believed that rape numbers may not be an anomaly, if other countries had similar rape laws.

Please read this article, it will shed more light on why it seems Sweden has a disproportionately high number of rape cases. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372

Did I ever say that rise in Muslim immigrants is causing the surge in atheism in the UK ? Did I say that? Why result to a strawman? I never made any statement to that effect.

Well, you can choose to interpret the report as you wish but the fact is that religion especially Christianity is dieing off in the UK. Let me rephrase, religion is suffering from rapid decline among its ranks in the UK

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro . I already told you that I agree with you - the surge of immigrants in Sweden led to the rise of rape cases . The point is that this problem persists in an "atheist nation " .

I have clearly demonstrated that the increase in incidents of rape in Sweden bears no correlation with surge in atheism. Yet, you still insist that atheism is to be blamed against all evidence that point to other causes.

At this juncture, it is safe to assume that you are being purposely dubious on this particular issue and hence I'll save Seun space on his server by ending this conversation here.

KingEbukasBlog:
So if there is a surge in the number of immigrants moving to Europe including England , how is atheism on the rise . Rape has always been a problem in Sweden , but the immigrants which are Muslims actually caused the increase in rape cases .

Again, it is either you are genuinely not updated on happenings around the world or you are employing cheap tactics to win just to win an argument.

I'll choose to believe the former because I assume you are a man of integrity.

Now on the issue of migration from the middle East, the UK has refused to take in their fare share of refugees from the middle east when compared to their more generous neighbours like France, Sweden and Germany.

I have attached a graph depicting migration per capita across European countries for the year 2015.

Also Sweden, besides the fact that the surge in migration has increased the number of rape and crimes against women, there are other factors that contribute to the astronomical difference between cases in Sweden and the European average.

These factors include :

1. Statistical Factors: In Sweden alleged rape cases are immediately filed as rape cases when reported. In contrast, other European countries only record rape cases after it has been proven through investigation and subsequent conviction that rape actually occurred.

2. Legal Factors: The legal definition of rape can be narrow or wide depending on prevailing local laws in a country. In Sweden , the definition of rape- legally - has been increasingly broadened over the years, as a result more sexual offences are now classified as rape.

3. Substantive Factors : Swedish legal system has earned a lot of public trust over the years in sexual assault cases,therefore more people are willing to report crimes which invariably affects statistics.

For further studies.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

KingEbukasBlog:
It clearly states that no religion not atheism is on the rise in England . Having no religion does not make you an atheist . But hold on , how true is this research since immigrants from the Middle East keep pouring in .

I gave you a snippet of the report . HP is known for always being against religion . The Guardian , which is British , addressed the issue you raised more appropriately .

Did you miss the report from christian post?

Also why have you refused to say a word about your attempt at prevarication when you posted a news article from America as a rebuttal to a claim I made about England?

KingEbukasBlog:
Having no religion does not make one an atheist . People are deserting religion and focusing on their belief in God . When you are no longer active in religious practices or denounce religion , you are irreligious or have no religion . People now embrace deism , panentheism . Sometimes I use views in panentheism in my arguments

Are you sure you read any of the links I posted?

We are talking about a recent report that clearly states that atheism is on the rise in England. You also did not even apologise for posting a news report from America in response to my post about England.

KingEbukasBlog:
More like the increase in rape cases in Sweden coincided with the "rise of Atheism in Europe" as you claimed . More atheists , more decadence



Atheists hate religion and the religious . You made blatant claims that religion inhibits development - that's the hate and you'd more likely exterminate religion if bestowed with power . If any atheist becomes a Nigerian president , the first action is to target religion and try to obliterate the worship of any deity because he feels that religion is a waste of time . And if any one contravenes , the person would likely face inhuman consequences . Atheists are naturally inclined - have the disposition- to attack religion .That's the rage winner01 is talking about .



They are not gratuitous but I apologize , again

It is either you do not keep up with world news or you are willfully presenting specious arguments.

Now anyone that follows events around the globe knows the following

1. There has been a surge in the number of immigrants moving from the middle east to Europe.

2. This has coincided with an increase in crime against women especially rape.

3. Consequently, far right political parties have been winning elections in Europe from France to Germany even to Sweden.

4. Why do you think UK has called for a referendum?

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism is not on the rise in England . Irreligiousity/Secularism is . Most Atheists do not join in the celebration of these festivities . You dont have to prevaricate you know .

My good friend, why do you like conflating issues?

I mentioned UK, and you are citing examples from Santa Monica. Is Mississipi in England? Is Santa Monica even in Europe let alone England? Santa Monica and Mississipi are both located in America but I was talking about the UK. Was that an honest mistake or a strawman?

I have attached a snippet from recent reports on religion in England and Wales as at May 2016. Guess what Atheism is on the rise.

Again alot of English people that are atheists celebrate Christmas and New Year as part of their tradition.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_5743fd38e4b0ffced862a51d?edition=uk

Now here is a link from a Christian website confirming what Huffington Post and other media outlets also reported. At least the Christian website will not report this if it were false

http://m.christianpost.com/news/atheism-tips-the-scales-in-england-164558/?m=1

For those saying sex was not mentioned,

1. The girl said she doesn't like being touched
2. The man replied you are fake in contempt which shows he was touching her inappropriately
3. The girl said she's not comfortable as anyone can walk in on them.
4. The randy lecturer replies, 'Go and lock it (the door to the office)'.

This is enough to indict this man for sexual assault and abuse of authority

papiforreal:
Well, that's problem with the concept of religion as a whole, Everyone can just interpret any verse the way he wants it in order to satisfy his wish. But still that doesn't mean we should accused the whole religion if one of its adherent interpret its teaching to suit his selfish interest. We should just condemn him as a person.

I never blamed the whole of Islam. I blamed the some of the Northern elites that manipulate religion tp suit their whims and caprices

TeamSimple:
you can shove your SAW for the prophet up your Ass. hypocrite

Obviously, you have no logical response to my post, hence the vitriol.

papiforreal:
You cannot know Islam more than i do but i have never come across such doctrine or teaching, you can bring it forward if you do. And as far your second point Guy that's blatant lie bro, none of our leaders of cleric support such abominable act. stop believing everything you heard over social media. The last time i checked that you guys are accusing ignorantly accusing has come out and publicly distance himself. so what are you guys talking about? Criminal acts aren't bordered around particular region or tribe. There are criminals everywhere.

When I said a particular interpretation of the Quoran it would have told you that I do not believe that Islam supports such acts. However, some people choose to get their own interpretation of the Quoran and Base their crimes on it.

Secondly, it took Emir Sanusi months to speak up against the kidnap of Ese Oruru. The same Sanusi allegedly spear headed the beheading of Gideon Akaluka in 1995 against the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, who preached religious tolerance.

I am an atheist but I am not dumb

Why will any sensible human being think that Indians are welcoming?

Before these guys left Nigeria, didn't they hear stories of maltreatment of Nigerians by Indians in their own country - Nigeria?

How many times have any of these guys seen or heard of a Nigerian that is married to an Indian?

Asians especially the Indians and the Chinese are generally more racist that Europeans.

papiforreal:
Nigerian and hypocrisy. If same thing happened in Kano, the whole Nigerian cyber space will be on fire, with bigoted youths calling northerners all sort of names. The president will be forced to speak, some will even call for on the government to declare state of emergency in the state . But because it didn't happen in the north no one hear about. I am northerner but i agree with Nmadi Kanu, Nigeria is truly a zoo.

In the North, kidnapping of young girls is fueled by ideology that is inspired by a particular interpretation of the Quoran and the life of prophet Muhammadu (S.A.W)

On the other hand, in the south these acts of crimes are not based on any ideology. These criminals are also condemned without reservation, unlike in the North where these acts happen with the tacit support of the elites and religious leaders.

KingEbukasBlog:
What happened to this General Shepherd ? You remember right ?




Spreading spurious information in a public forum . This is far from facts . YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED of yourself


Anyway , those countries have a good security system - this obviates security challenges like crime , violence which are likely going to be perpetrated by the atheists etc . Sweden has likely the highest reported rape cases in Europe DAILY . It's rational to blame the atheists who have no moral values

Norway has seen a great decline in religiosity and most Norwegians are irreligious. According to the Eurobarometer Poll of 2010:[6]

22% of Norwegian citizens responded that "they believe there is a God".
44% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
29% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God, or life force".
5% answered that they "do not know".
Estimated atheism rates in Norway range from 31 to 72%.[7]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Norway

Everyday you keep saying on Nairaland that Norwegians are religious. The truth is that even though they are nominal Christians, they are very irreligious, just like many of their neighbours.

I am a nominal Christian but I am an atheist. Similarly, a lot of Europeans are like that.

The Queen is the head of the Anglican communion, yet atheism is on the rise in England. Most English folks still celebrate easter and Christmas, both Christian festivals, yet they do not disbelief in the notion of a God/Gods

KingEbukasBlog:
What happened to this General Shepherd ? You remember right ?




Spreading spurious information in a public forum . This is far from facts . YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED of yourself


Anyway , those countries have a good security system - this obviates security challenges like crime , violence which are likely going to be perpetrated by the atheists etc . Sweden has likely the highest reported rape cases in Europe DAILY . It's rational to blame the atheists who have no moral values

The increase in rape cases in Sweden coincided with increase in the number of immigrants especially those of middle eastern origin.

Furthermore, my views continually evolve as my thoughts are not set in stone.

That being said it is not false information that societies with large number of atheists are generally more peaceful. However, it is wrong to assume that atheism is the reason for low crime rate and prosperity unless this can be expressly demonstrated.

Yes I was wrong in that assumption just like you are wrong trying to establish that communist atrocities were as a result of atheism

I will also implore you one more time to tone down your vitriol and personal attacks.

KingEbukasBlog:
Modern atheist countries ? There are only three or four of them . Not affiliated to any religion does not make one an atheist . North Korea is planning a nuclear war with South Korea and the rest of the world . Their racist president keeps daring the United States . That does not sound like a peaceful declaration .

Sweden should have the religious preponderant but have a lot of people who are irreligious not atheistic

Of course I am not talking about countries that adopted atheism as a national stance as only a totalitarian and communist country will do such eg NK.



Atheism is not a political viewpoint, it is simply a disbelief in God/Gods


Again North Korean leader is threatening America because of geopolitics not religion. China as well is sparing with America in the North China Sea because of geopolitics and not politics.

America want to topple a secular Assad led government in Syria and install Muslim fundamentalists because of geopolitics and not religion.

I am talking about countries with high proportion of atheists countries like

Japan, Australia, France and United Kingdom. You'll expect that this countries would have been tumultuous by now. Since you erroneously insist that atheism leads to crime and blood thirst.

KingEbukasBlog:
Yeah right . And in all communist countries , Soldiers were sent to attack churches and religious centers . The religious were killed for their beliefs . Pathetic

Again let me try one more time, the communists had this pipe dream of eliminating class in the society. They believed that the church was tool used by the rich (bourgeoisie) to manipulate the poor (proletariat). Hence, they wanted to exterminate the following

1. Religion
2. The ruling class
3; any and all opposition.

To continue arguing that atheism was the reason for communist blood thirtst is very disingenuous.

If truly atheism fuels blood thirst. Why are modern atheist countries more peaceful when compared to very religious countries?

This is because prosperity reduces the occurrence of crime. Also, rich people are less likely to be religious whereas poor people are more likely to be religious.

Please take note of the key words 'less likely and more likely ' before you accuse of saying religious people are all poor.

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol . How do you just wish someone good night in the middle of a good argument . Now this response without addressing the rebuttal is a red herring

We will keep going back and forth. Let me try one more time

1. atheism is not communism
2. atheism is not an ideology
3. All the leaders you mentioned except Hitler were communists
4. Communism cannot work without totalitarianism which in turn leads to dictatorships and it's attendant destruction of lives.

5. Finally, these dictators killed both religionists and non believers. Anyone against them was a target.

KingEbukasBlog:
Wait hold on . You said you stay in Australia and its 10:51 AM there . Do you sleep in the morning

I was wishing you a good night. I never said i was going to bed. Why bring up a red herring?

KingEbukasBlog:
So the religious is voraciously consumed if they fail to cooperate with the plans of the governments . I see no difference . Religion and Communism have nothing in common . Communist government preclude any religious practices to take place , they compel the religious to abjure their belief and kill them if they fail to do so - they show intolerance towards religion . How did the activities of the Soviet Union elude you ?

In every communist country the main tussle is the control of the means of production and resources.

According to the chief proponent of Karl Marx, the bourgeoisie used religion to control the proletariat. Hence most communist countries adopted state atheism. Even though this is partly true, the communists main modus operandi is oppression through totalitarianism which has nothing to do with atheism.

Also, know very well that religious leaders can inspire followers to topple oppressive governments. These dictators eliminated any threat to their powers be it atheistic or theistic in nature.

However, if you choose to still conflate communism which is a political ideology to atheism which is obviously not a political viewpoint then I have nothing else to say.

Goodnight bro

KingEbukasBlog:
Communism is inherently against religion and the defiant , contumacious ones will always be the religious .

This also is not correct.

In as much as communism is against religion, the main tenet of communism is the control of tools of production. Anyone, theist or not that is against total subjugation of the masses by the government is a target.

KingEbukasBlog:
And to have total control of the people , we kill the religious ones among us . Brilliant , just brilliant .

Let's look at Pol Pot,

When Cambodian socialists rebelled in the eastern zone in May 1978, Pol Pot's armies could not crush them quickly. On 10 May, his radio broadcast a call not only to "exterminate the 50 million Vietnamese" but also to "purify the masses of the people" of Cambodia. Of 1.5 million easterners, branded as "Khmer bodies with Vietnamese minds", at least 100,000 were exterminated in six months.

Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

Did you read anywhere he said let is exterminate every religionist?

KingEbukasBlog:
And to have total control of the people , we kill the religious ones among us . Brilliant , just brilliant .

Did these dictators kill only believers?

@winners01 and KingEbukasBlog Muslims make this sort of mistake while arguing that Christians have killed in the name of God.

Besides the dark ages of witch burning and the inquisitions, I am yet to see any killing in the name of Christ as opposed to countless killings in the name of Allah.

Even though many Christians have killed in modern times, as long as they did not draw their inspiration from Christians or committed their crimes in the name of christ, it is fallacious to attribute their crime to Christianity. (This was my response to the Muslim)

Now substitute, Christianity for Atheism and it perfectly addresses the main arguments against atheism on this thread

winner01:
Bush had no justification whatsoever. In less than 100 years, approximately 158 million souls were lost at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists. For record purposes. The total religious killings (christianity and others) till date is less than 4 million souls lost. Would you term this a coincidence?

You still have completed ignored the fact that all the leaders you mentioned except Hitler were communists. And their quest for absolute power - absolute power is a key requirement for communism - inspired their blood thirtst.

KingEbukasBlog:
I just did . Communism ! ! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Communism inspired these leaders to kill . How to put an end to something . Kill its adherents

Communism cannot be implemented with totalitarianism. The government needs absolute powers to control means of production, therefore these governments by definition were totalitarian.

Because there were accountable to nobody, they killed opposition groups and sometimes purged certain ethnicities in their bid to maintain total control.

Therefore, I do not agree that their crimes were as a result of faith or lack of it but they are the result of their respective quests for absolute power which is in agreement with their communist ideologies

winner01:
How do you make such an inference? What justification did he have?.

Sounds absurd right? You have been committing a similar fallacy on this thread. As you have failed to show how atheism inspired all these leaders to kill people.

Hitler was solely fueled by racism. Discussing his religion here is irrelevant to his crimes because he committed gross crimes against humanity both as a theist and as an atheist.

KingEbukasBlog:
Communism - MarxistLeninist ideology

Karl Marx - Atheist . Religion is the opium of the masses

Lenin - Anti -religion , Claimed religion is negative to human development

Communism is the fusion of these two ideas . The drive that religion impedes development armed with the non belief in God led to the killings . And very religious countries then were very prosperous .

Communism led to deaths because the basic ideals of communism is dictatorship and absolute control over the people.

For the government to firmly own all means of production it needs to have absolute grip on the people. This is the major flaw of communism.

Communism is a political ideology that depends on withdrawal of the people's freedom to thrive.

Every communist government has been repressive

winner01:
Go through the thread i told you earlier. After that, Read up on atheistic-communism. After that, tell me if those leaders were atheists or not.
Here is the link once again: https://www.nairaland.com/2988881/atheism-terrorism-annihilation-quest-atheistic

You are still grossly conflating issues. Let me give you an analogy.

A friend of mine once wanted to show me how Christianity is worse than Islam in terms of violence.

He argued like this,

1. George W. Bush invaded Iraq and killed innocent civilians on fabricated Intel.

2. George W. Bush is a Christian

3. Therefore George W. Bush invaded Iraq in the name of christ.

I hope by now that you have spotted the fallacy in his line of thought. It is similar to your argument.

Now let's look at Osama Bin Laden.

1. OBL masterminded the attack on the world trade centre.

2. OBL is a Muslim and claims he did it for Allah

3. Therefore it may be safe to assume that the attack on World trade center was inspired by Islam - at least a misinterpreted brand of Islam.

So you have not established any causation between the genocide perpetuated by these repulsive dictators and atheism. If nothing else their action is consistent with what is obtainable in a communist country.

China, Vietnam and Cuba are all examples of modern communist countries. Guess what? Human rights are grossly abused in these countries till this day.