₦airaland Forum

Vrengkat:
Sure, we have a new generation of scientist who say they are Christians(Christian scientist)... But these people will never make any advancement in science if they rely on Biblical Dogma's, they have to rely on groundworks of people who never believed... Imagine a Christians astrophysicist making his calculation based on the Bible teachings that the stars are small enough for millions of them to fall into the earth, or a biologist making his hypothesis that humankind started 10,000 years ago, and that we all came from one man, or a historian claiming jesus was killed by the Romans without documents from the romance(who keeps record of everything)...

Science and religion are antagonist, science is based on facts, religion is based on gullibility...you can't be rational and gullible, and staying in between won't make you advance in any...

Therefore i don't believe any Christian scientist made any contribution to science and technology, if they did, they dumped there religion and embraced science...

Until Galileo, the church believe the sun was revolving round the earth, Galileo cleared that... His contributions to science had nothing to do with his belief, he established a clear cut between his religion and science.

Benjamin Franklin who contributed immensely to electricity, rewrote the whole Bible, but removed all the miracles, and said this is all that matters to him, and all that should matter to anyone...

I assure you, check all the scientist who claimed to be Christian, and contributed to science, you could see that they are somewhat skeptics

There are many scientists who were and are theists. A believe or not in a god or gods is not a prerequisite in science.

A few notable mentions is of course Isaac Newton.

Then there is Ard Louis, John Lennox. There are also hindu scientists, Muslim scientists etc.

Does religion sometimes limit honest scientific research? Probably as any form of bias is detrimental to science.

Finally, some things are simply unknowable. I am 100% certain that there is an uncaused prime mover that was and is and will forever be. Who that person or thing is ? I hope to find out in my personal journey to self discovery.

nwabekeyi:
as long as the universe is concerned, life has no purpose. Things are just existing to maintain universal balance.

In the actual sense, no one lives or dies, everyone is just a reservoir and recycler of atoms and energy. Life itself is a mirage.

You also ignore the obvious question, why is there a thing called universal balance. Why can't there be universal imbalance? Why should a universe exist in the first place?


Why not nothing instead of something?


By logic it is obvious that there must be an uncaused cause, the prime mover for anything to happen and this prime mover by deduction is beyond space and time as we know there was a big bang (the start of time) and obviously whoever or whatever caused the big bang existed before then.

Vrengkat:
You sit at home, put on your phone which is gotten from intelligent thoughts of atheist scientist, to promote irrationality... Your are just like boko haram fighting education with guns and explosives... You better get back to being the voice in the wilderness

Science is not exclusive to atheists. Ones relgious beliefs has no bearing on their work in science.

In my quest for meaning in life, I have come to the conclusion that the atheist position is a reasonable position but one that I personally have rejected as wrong .

It is very easy to say that the reason most cultures have a concept of a creator is because of the knowledge gaps or we can say that all humanity hold a connection to the creator of the universe.

I also refuse the theory that the universe is eternal (science has refuted that claim). If this is true something must have caused the universe and to avoid an illogical conclusion there must exist a first cause that is in itself eternal.

This is a logical fact.

If you choose to call this creator Alah, Jehovah , Chineke , or an eternal force... it is up to you.

Now you can specifically claim that the way people choose to worship this creator through organised religion is false but to boldly claim that the universe is an accident is simply illogical

nwabekeyi:
we don't know for sure if there are no lives on Mars and other planets.

We really cannot talk about what we don't know yet

Let me say there is currently no evidence that there is life of mars

TATIME:
Oh sorry! The book was written for DWELLERS on earth so it ONLY paraphrased the creation of other planets in one sentence "in the beginning God created the HEAVENS and the earth!"
Note what the manufacturer of any complex gadget focuses on during the printing of instructional manual. It's main significance is to help you (the consumer) in the smooth operation of the gadget. God limited the information to where HE gave us as our own portion EARTH! Psalms 115:16
So we have NO business with other planets since HE created those ones for other purposes and we can ONLY gaze into the sky to see how HE controls them as the book says "HE calls(these heavenly bodies) by name!" Isaiah 40:26
Thanks for asking!

I also have to ask this. Now according to science the universe is infinitely vast. With millions of planets, why did God make these other planets , just for us to live on one?

HellVictorinho:
The Big Bang did not require 'Initial Energy'.
It only required events capable of changing the state of cosmic systems.
The Big Bang was an event preceded by other events and followed up by other events.
The law of thermodynamics is about energy.
But energy involves the speed of light.
So specified time is also involved.
But 'Existence' is possible when Time is unlimited for events to occur timelessly.
So you can't attribute the Forming of Existence to specified time.

I honestly do not understand you. We know that everything is energy. The material universe is energy believed to have started in a singularity then expanded and continues to expand.

Now why this singularity? Why couldn't there just be nothing? No experience? We won't be having this conversation? There will simply be nothing.

Why was there a cosmic system in the first place instead of nothing? Randomness you may say but why not nothing instead of randomness

XxSabrinaxX:
Remind me again how this comment is relevant in any way to the topic?

EDIT: Am not trying to fight. Am just wondering

I think that the reason religion exists is because we all want to find the meaning of life.

Some say we all atoms, why ? Why does anything have tp exist?

nwabekeyi:
Having the capacity to ask why doesn't mean you can change the law.

I have not suggested that we change the law. I am simply asking if we are just energy, why life?

In Mars, energy also changes form but we have not detected any sign of life and yes I know the conditions on earth are perfect for life. But what is tbe purpose of it?

Why the big bang at all? Where did that initial energy come from as we all know that energy can neither be created or destroyed.

So for the universe to exist the laws of thermodynamics must have been violated at least once or we do not fully understand everything yet.

TATIME:
Many books have been written by different intellectuals and we've also read through many of these books!
None is able to say something pertinent to the course of our existence or why we're here except a documents found amongst the Jews. According to historians, this documents was originally written in three different languages, Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek.
Later intellectuals combined all these documents together in one big volume and called it Bible. It reveals how a spirit being started all these but what really arouse my interest is the efficacy of this big book in the foreknowledge of certain things we later discovered to be just as this book says!
For example it talks about our vast universe and SPECIFICALLY mentioned that life could ONLY be found on earth! Now this has been proven to be true as space travelers have gone far only to discover that the earth is the ONLY planet where life could flourish. Just as this book said that the spirit being actually PREPARED the earth for living creatures! Genesis 1:1-31
Though other intellectuals criticized this book for it's illustrative presentations but NONE can explain how this ancient book that was written by those primitive dwellers knew that life ONLY could be found on earth!

I failed to see where the bible mentioned that God created other planets

nwabekeyi:
Because the universe doesn't understand if anything is dead or alive.

The universe has always obeyed the law of conservation of energy even before we became cautious of life and before the word "life" was coined and there nothing we can do to change that.

The purpose of your existence and any other thing is simply to store energy and recyle them. At the quantum level, every atom is the same, that's what the universe understands.

The universe could simple have not existed. But it did. We could simply have existed without being conscious but we are. It forces us to beg the question why?

Why do we even have the capacity to ask why?

Simply dismissing this with a slight of hand is the same as saying God did it! End of!

TATIME:
You slighted some other viewpoints my brother! There are Muslims, Buddhists, Indus and many others but at least you've opened a fine thread for intellectuals to reason along.
WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF LIFE?
My favorite question that led me to the TRUTH!

Lol thanks brother, I only commented on these two points of view cos I am viewed the world only through these two lenses.

I am very open to hear what other people think.

Obainoneandonly:
how can u see it when u haven't died ,u have to die to be able to experience it....its tru dat when someone dies,the body decay and so on, wat about the soul,does dat one too decay

If our consciousness is as a result of our soul and it transcends our body, how is that people who are brain damaged loose consciousness?

nwabekeyi:
our cautiousness is a result of billion years of evolution, sitting on your shoulder is the most complex object in the universe. Life is a mirage.

What do you mean that life is a mirage? For example, I am 100% certain that there is someone or at least something(could be AI) on the other side of this phone.

Surely, our existence is not some sort of matrix with our minds playing tricks on us. So again how is life a mirage? What does this statement actually mean?

nwabekeyi:
as long as the universe is concerned, life has no purpose. Things are just existing to maintain universal balance.

In the actual sense, no one lives or dies, everyone is just a reservoir and recycler of atoms and energy. Life itself is a mirage.

I do not doubt that. Laws of conservation of energy is an objective truth. Do you think our consiousness if purely material?

Obainoneandonly:
how did u Come up with this theory,I bet someone told you and dat also made u to believe in it...nobody knowo sh*t,we will get the answers in d afterlife...... its then we will b able to know if Jesus truly exist or if Mohammed preaching was from God..... till then let's keep speculating, just as you are now

Why are 100% certain that there is an afterlife? Do you have any recollection of a beforelife? Where were you before you existed?

[ author=nwabekeyi post=74649116]there's nothing like afterlife. When one dies, the atoms in your body are used to make other things in the universe.[/quote]I do not disagree with you on this. There's no evidence yet to support an afterlife but if this is this case and then when we die it is nothingness and we fade into oblivion, what then is the purpose of life?

Why are we the only objectively conscious species? Of course goats and cockroaches maybe conscious but we do not have any evidence to support that.

hakeem4:
this is an irrelevant question. it is like asking "what is the colour of greed"

Of course it is irrelevant to this thread but I do wish to know your thoughts on the matter.

hakeem4:
Marvel comic told me spider bit a man and he became Spider-Man

you’re just like most of these Nostradamus followers. They wait for an event to pass and they start twisting the quatrains so suit the event
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I have a genuine and honest question, why are we here?.

I am honestly struggling to find an answer to this. What is the purpose of life

GeneralShepherd:
Religious delusion at its peak,God cannot change an abuser!

I should say, God cannot change anyone unless they first want to change.

Hi Nairaland, it's been awhile. I have been going through a lot of things lately that has forced me to think of what humans have thought about for years.

What is the meaning of life?

From a Christian stand point , we are here as a preparation for eternal life with God. The question becomes why did God have to create us here first. Why not create us eternally in heaven to serve him?



From an atheist point of view, when we die we simply seize to exist. It's like trying to imagine where you were before you became conscious. If that is the case, why then are we here? Does it mean our consciousness has no purpose or meaning in the grand scheme of things?

Please drop a comment on what you believe is the purpose of life.

Kabaka100:
Him dey based in America, so i know whats up now.
Its a norm in America for African guys(yes , i mean men) to dey always get sexually harassed at work from their America co-workers(yes, from both male and females) or face embarrassment or even getting fired from their jobs 4 stupid reasons. If u never live 4 America, u wont understand the root of Waconzy's frustration with gays, i guess dem don bother him tire.

What a load of nonsense! In any civilised country of which Nigeria is not, any unwanted sexual attention at work is grounds for dismissal.

This is not Nigeria where bosses and employees act as they like without consequences.

kamez:
go back to google and read again... u will realize that such behavior even amongst animals is tagged abnormal... I pray u give birth to a gay sha

If it is naturally occuring then it is by definition NOT unnatural. Hahaha

kamez:
GBAM!!!

whoever sympathizes with gays is just MAD!!!!


anyone who defiles the laws of nature and biology by getting attracted to same sex, is a mad! mad!! mad!!! person.

Nigerians and stupidity are like 5 & 6. So believing that adults should be allowed to do what they feel like as long as they are not hurting anyone else is the same as being mad?


Homophobia is a disease

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BOOZELEE:
CHAI! ALUUUUUUU! Can yu imagine..Rape a full grown man in da presence of hiz family.TUFIA

Dis is exactly why i am against gays and dere sick symphatizers.


Lagos southwest Nigeria iz turning into another SODOM and GOMORAH.

What a dumb man , so by your logic, all men shpuld be hated when a criminal rapes a woman right?

Blogging is old school, if you want to make money now become a YouTube content creator but then you need creativity. Unfortunately, 90% of Nigerian bloggers are not creative

showafrica:
Putin is driving mecerdis made in Germany.

Not true .... from wiki

The next generation of presidential state car Aurus Senat (part of "Kortezh" project) domestically developed by NAMI was publicly presented first time on Fourth inauguration of Vladimir Putin in 2018.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_state_car_(Russia)

Compared to this Senegal team,super eagles is nonsense

It's one commentator for every language, I am watching in Australia and i definitely heard the commentator say Senegal is the first African country to score this world cup

agabusta:
Continue laughing and be involved in a road crash that becomes a court case, the shit will get real when a senior VIO and FRSC official comes to testify on the speed limit of the road you were driving on.

Even leaving speed limit, Nigeria Road traffic laws says you must drive responsibly and not endanger other people's lives. This is open ended and subject to the interpretation of Road Safety officials and eye witnesses. It's not difficult to fry someone driving anyhow. Everybody detests such driving. Especially pedestrians and bystanders.

Thank goodness that you identified the uselessness of open ended statements like 'must drive carefully'...
What rubbish

Mynd44:
The family is not the one taking her on her criminal case, it is the government

The government should actually take itself to court for starters. So many Nigerians die every day from the atrocious conditions of our roads and the lack of basic road safety rules. The only reason the government is following up on this case is because parties involved are not ordinary Nigerians.