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@quivah from your posts I know you are a very intelligent young lady in search of knowledge and truth about God existing or otherwise his non existence,at this point I must admit I am on that same journey.

I only wish to implore you,to really search inside and be sure you are not being this aggressive against Christianity because of some disappointments in life.

Whether I am a christian or not? Answer is right now i dont know,I am still sojourning,searching and trying to reach a conclusion that will give me peace and satisfaction.

Logicboy used to be this caustic and aggressive but right now even though he is still an atheist,he is very much less aggresive

quivah: But Christians are the most wretched!!

And how did you get to this conclusion,be logical not emotional

Chibuebem: no my friend. Every man yearns for the supernatural. Its in-grained in him. God created man. God is supernatural. Man looks always for a miracle worker. God understands that. The devil does too. The quest to understand the supernatural fuels modern day science. When will man learn sir? When will man learn?

how can you speak for every man?

My fellow engineers have the spirit of sportsmanship,accept the inevitable you win some you loose some. Grasping at straws will only make the process more traumatising.

I'm not a christian,but what if this TCN job is not God's plan for you. This phase of life is a stage and trust me it'll pass,move on and apply for other jobs

Ray McBlue: To let people know that religion is fallible, and not above reproach like some theist would make one believe.



Would it surprise you to know I was once a bona fide Christian? If I sound evangelistic, then I can only surmise it's the lingering remnants of my past, nothing more.

Of course I'm not surprised for you to attack the bible,most probably means you are ex-christian,

My point is don't let your quest turn to anger and thus turn you to a dogmatic atheist cos then you'll be mirroring religious bigots.

Let every man reason for himself,aint that the essence of freethinking?

emayoung: After all the babblings here about Islam and christianity...lets face this little fact we've always overlooked. Our mind constantly yearns for a Supernatural,not only that it seeks out which one is perfect for it,so every time our little minds keep stretching to understand what's above the natural but it keeps failing everytime.
During our chemistry class once our Prof.diverted a lil bit to the spiritual...always wondered what chemistry and God had in common? But never mind. In his story...a blind man once attended a submit. The Prof. On the pondium to his best contradicted the existence of God with facts too lengthy to write though... On that pondium he had succeeded from his research to prove God does.nt exist. A cheering applause ensured as he left the stage. Here's the interesting part of this true life story...
After much begging,the blind man was allowed on stage...with smiles beaming his face he said"i've been blind since i was a child,my eyes have never got sight of the sunset...they tell me the sun is white and hot,is it true? They tell me leaves are green,is it true? They tell me flowers are yellow,is it true?....they other parts of the story i've forgotten...but i sure do remember i cried just as i am now...
Little minds trying to define divinity,small brains trying to explain the supernatural... Plato himself could.nt explain it,but it did what every man should...BELIEVE IN THE DIVINE... The bible has contradictions... Yes,no doubts but it's still gonna be the world's best selling book ever. That same bible you're contradicting said from God himself..."MY WAYS ARE HIGHER THAN YOURS"... Pause for a moment and look at His awesomeness. Isn't it amazing that over 32 different people wrote the bible yet it still carried the same,if not,closely similar message? My God's Awesome...You're just too blind to see it... I Hate it so much when he says he loves people like you(it's in the same bible you're contradicting)... Stretch out to embrace his love, He'll be and always will be the World's Only wonder...
Sorry...typing from my phone,could.nt resist this tempting post

Could it be we have been conditioned from years of religous exposure to yearn for the supernatural?

Judas2013: What are you saying dude? You think the white man have time for a fake god? We are talking about real gods here! Extraterrestrials !

Beings responsible for the technology of the planet. Since the black man has decided to be dumb and always carry last they printed a photocopy bible for us to read and worship!

An atheist that believes in extraterrestrial gods....hmmm interesting

Ray McBlue: Your mentality is the reason why something like an atheism is threatening to overthrow your precious religion. Go ahead, turn your nose up but don't expect us to go away.



Go ahead and sulk, you are entitled.

Lol read my posts and you'll understand I'm irreligious...but seriously what do you hope to achieve. You sound like an evangelical atheist...

Ray McBlue: It's only because of their silence that the atheist are having a field day. A strong argument from a brave Christian will have a profound effect.

Roy McBlue no argument whatsoever will make you change your position on the bible,christianity or religion, so why should a christian bother?

I have serious doubt about religion and God but its so annoying how you'll go out of your way just to insult peoples' beliefs.

If you open a thread with a strong bias and atheists/agnostics are commenting left,right and centre with caustic words against people's revered believes. Is it logical for those people to come and put up a defence on such threads?

ayemenre: O God please wipe my tears and let me get my positive sms today!!! I have waited, dream, prayed and did all I could for this job!! God please my heart is melting!

If you are waiting for God? You are on a long thing....

BAT is recruiting graduate engineers go and apply...

Congrats to all new TCN engineers for us who didn't get the struggle continues

donroxy: Thank you so much !!!
This is how I like my post to be responded !!!



Now, my Rebuttal ;



1) In Religion, The System of Man is divided into 2 some say 3 ...... His Body,His Soul and (His Spirit)!!!



1(a) Religion held that ;
The body(Physical system which Equals Hardware) is just composition of Earth(SAND) that shall decomposed back into Sand/Earth ......




The essence of the body is just to carried-out the Instruction of the Soul abi Logicboy ,has your hand ever lifted itself when u(ur mind) never asked your hand to do so conversely if ur hand or any part of your body should lift itself without U (ur mind) asking it do so then ur system has been attacked by a Virus or U are sick or it may be some kind of Reflex action by which body respond to its environment or certain occurence




While The Soul which ''I defined'' to be some kinda ''Algorithm'' or ''Software'' or ''advanced Programmic Language'' which actually ''carried out the Handiwork of Man and can not be ''physically seen'' since it is a ''software'' that Instruct the ''Body''(Hardware on what to do) shall be ''Exhumed back'' to Base which is the writer of the Programme or the Programmer or what we Religion people call ''GOD'' for Review(judged) of its Activities !!!



The activities to be Judged is reffered to ''How Much Man has conform with stipulated pattern of required activities by his Programmer'' ...



I.e How Much U have carried-out Scriptural Instructions !!!



Yes, the Machine (Human) has been progammed to be able to Judge or Dichotomised or distinct between Good and Bad activities and further written instructions embedded in (Scriptures) has been given to MAN In order to be ''Guided''



In Medicine, when A man failed to yield to drugs after application of Necessary Agents ......the doctor usually result to ''Psychological Evalutaion of the patient'' in order to correct some ''notions'' Such Man Held before Re- Applying further drugs!!!



Now, What do U think the doctors are evaluating ?


The answer is the mind of the MAN which is tagged Psychology evaluation=Pyschometrics ......


Have U ever seen somebody's ''mind'' before @LogicBoy3 ? ......


No, U won't see Mind because it is a ''software'' , a Kinda Algorithm/Advanced Programmic Langauage !!!




The Only thing u see is Brain and the brain housed the Mind which possibly equals ''Software'' or possibly ''Soul'' !!!



Go to a medical Doctor and ask them whether Body respond to treatment when the Mind of such person never respond ? ......


There is difference between somebody who is Mindedly Sick and Bodily Sick !!! ...... Psychological evaluation may not be necessary when u are treating Body and its system sickness !!



If Ur body is sick and your mind instructed it to work ....... Na lie, it aint gonna do anything until such body is Healed !!! Mind you, Ur body does not have intelligence of its own, everything is controlled from your Brain



Now, Check Ur BODY system and compared it with a computer(Hardware and Software) and look for dissimilarity and similarity !!!


I only used computer Science and Medical/Biology to butressed my points of possibly ''exhumation'' of Human Programmic Language or Soul to the MAKER/Programmer



Computer Science was developed Using Human Biological Science
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As for the Issue of JESUS , His programmic Language/Soul was Domicilled in His(Jesus') Mother Mary, Using some kind of Bluetooth Technology or Infrared !!!



But Instead of calling it Bluetooth,Wireless(Spermless) or Infrared Technology , Religion people called it Miracle/Holy Ghost !!



Now, LogicBoy, Ask Yourself ..... Can a Programmic Language/Software be delivered to a system(Hardware and Software) using ''BLUETOOTH/INFRARED or any other WIRELESS device ?


I know U know the answer or ask Seun Osewa !!!



The Difference between Scientific activities and religion people activities is simply LOGICAL EXPLANATION ........

Science willl give u step by step explanation of its activities but Religion-man will tell u It just happen , Or just believe or Na miracle !!!



LogicBoy, There is Logical Explanation to all occurence and Science do studies the Logical or law guiding an Occurence !!!



The Scriptures says among all the creations of GOD ; Angels,Jinn(extra-terrestial bodies or exoBiology or AstroBiology), animals;plants ....... Human are the most programmed Intelligent i.e Human are the most Intelligent and most Loved!!!

Wow unbelievable!!! How does this prove God?

Well for me its a personal decision and it is based on FAITH!! i.e you can NEVER objectively prove to an atheist that God exists.

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smajatt: i pity some ppl here spilin abomination 4rm dia mouth 'jst because its a faceless forum does nt mean its a faceless world'.
Bak 2 d topic,honestly nd tecnical speakin dias no way u can prove to an athiest dat God exist,cos bliv me every act,incident,ocurence has a scientific explanation...dat aside d easiest way to convince such a felow dat God exist is for u 2 jst pray dat he dies "grins" 1c a person dies d isue of God's existence bcoms clear,infact clearer dan d hapiest day in ur lyf.
SO IF U LYK SAY GOD EXIST.
IF U LYK SAY GOD DOES NT EXIST.
U wil wen d tym coms

smajatt: i pity some ppl here spilin abomination 4rm dia mouth 'jst because its a faceless forum does nt mean its a faceless world'.
Bak 2 d topic,honestly nd tecnical speakin dias no way u can prove to an athiest dat God exist,cos bliv me every act,incident,ocurence has a scientific explanation...dat aside d easiest way to convince such a felow dat God exist is for u 2 jst pray dat he dies "grins" 1c a person dies d isue of God's existence bcoms clear,infact clearer dan d hapiest day in ur lyf.
SO IF U LYK SAY GOD EXIST.
IF U LYK SAY GOD DOES NT EXIST.
U wil wen d tym coms

smajatt: i pity some ppl here spilin abomination 4rm dia mouth 'jst because its a faceless forum does nt mean its a faceless world'.
Bak 2 d topic,honestly nd tecnical speakin dias no way u can prove to an athiest dat God exist,cos bliv me every act,incident,ocurence has a scientific explanation...dat aside d easiest way to convince such a felow dat God exist is for u 2 jst pray dat he dies "grins" 1c a person dies d isue of God's existence bcoms clear,infact clearer dan d hapiest day in ur lyf.
SO IF U LYK SAY GOD EXIST.
IF U LYK SAY GOD DOES NT EXIST.
U wil wen d tym coms

Pray that he dies You are a depraved human being

azibit: A man met a barber who was an aethist asking him why he was an aethist. The aethist said if God existed, why were there disasters and so many bad things happening. Why couldn't he just STOP it. Then after some time, the barber met the other man and said why has he stopped coming to barb his hair. The man said he discovered that barbers don't exist. The barber asked why. The man said he saw so many people with long hairs that were not barbed. The barber said why would you blame me. The people with the long hairs didn't look for God. The man replied the aethist. The people would had the disasters didn't take time to look for God. So to every aethist, take time to look for God

This is plain hypocrisy...my cousin and ardent christian was raped on sunday at school by armed robber. She is born again and was a virgin infact it was after she came in from church. So how is that her fault for not seeking God? Your analogy makes me sick. Horrible things happen even to the most dedicated religionists

This morning them don seize my license demanding for a 20k fee for turning at the wrong place even though the sign post is barely legible... Them later reduce am to 3k I still dey hustle the 3k sef.

Honestly, God if you exist please talk to Me..the suspense is killing me

Asabeq: I have been a guest for years but this thread prompted me to register on nl......


After going through this thread all that comes to my mind is "diary of a mad black woman"!

Leave judgement for God!none of us was there when it happened.

If na Uncle GEJ una go call am retardeen...now na Uncle Biodun una dey call God..

Urine: God bless you! @ last someone can think. The real victims are his wife, children and congregation. Ese is NOT a VICTIM! The pastor and her should hide their heads in shame.

Wetin consine congregation...mtchewww church don finish??

My prayers goes to the Wife,Kids and the man + Sister Efe

Once upon a time a great man allegedly said this..

mrlycan: I am a member of Coza. I have been attending for over 6 years and a worker. For someone to come up with this kind of writeup,then she must be good. If you are a worker,to see reverend B is not that easy let alone have all the access to him and in his hotel. Ok,listen to this. I believe this girl must have been paid to do this job but she fumbled in one of her sentences. Since the inception of our new base in Abuja,we have not had a second service. Its always a one service sunday. Help me ask her where she attended her second service. Ask anyone who is a member. She did not do her homework very well. I have seen neighbouring churches luring our organist and drummer to leave coza and join them with the hope of getting paid monthly. We have one of the best instrumentalist and they work for.God for free. Pure envy and hatred. With so much been said abouy Rev B been the proud type. I once ushered.with some workers where he went to preach to a congregation of less than 100. He has been to bahamas,france,uk,US. If he will fall for flesh,he wont do it with a member ,not alone a worker. He can order for d best of ladies. What everyone sees is that his fame is soaring like virus. My message for Walter Ese,your generarions will suffer for this you have done. Its not a curse.

The pastor banked on sheeple like you when He told the chick,He will show her a new level of grace!!! Thanks for not disappointing your oga at the top. Pharisees

yomihagin: The satanic agent and devil incarnate cannot take it anymore.The judgement of God will surely visit her.She is cursed.Liar.LovePeddler.

Lol hypocrisy of christians? And you are so sure the pastor is innocent how?

yomihagin: . That Ese of yours is a witch from the marine world; a satanic agent.She alleged that she had sex with pst biodun for over a week.It was of her own free volition.That is not abuse.So why is she peddling the story all around ? So what does she intend to achieve by doing so ? Now that she spoke out what has been achieved.If the church scatters as a result of this demon possessed girl, she will not escape God's judgement.She claimed she enjoyed dick for a whole week and now she is crying foulplay.She is nothing but a prostitute.

So the pastor is an angel of light for sharing his holy joystick!!!! Excellent! Religion the opium of the masses.

smoothe75: My Take

I've been worshipping at COZA Abuja for 2 years now!...there's no doubt on the calling on Pastor B's life to raise a spiritual army for the Kingdom. Every true member of the church will admit that there's an incredible lift on their spiritual lives in a dimension that encourages you to relate/know God personally (which Pastor B always promotes)..you learn to enjoy God's presence and study the Word effortlessly in an atmosphere that i can only describe as heavenly. A gifted Man of God no doubt!

Ese i can only imagine the effort and emotions that fuelled this write-up (dunno if it was the right thing to do really and wont judge you either, may God heal you). Man's failings reveals their frailty...we all need God!..my prayer goes to Pastor B, Pastor Mo and the whole church establishment this moment. COZA will live!..The Body of Christ will prevail...

If COZA dies does it mean the body of christ is dead? Or the pastore getting recompense for his actions? #sheeple

spicy v: Oh Lord, the ever loving, ever faithful, evr merciful Father! The All knowing, All Mighty, Panto kranto! Please be with your servants Biodun and Modele Fatoyinbo in this dark hour Lord. Help them to find peace in this storm! Do not give the enemy the privilege and satisfaction of gloating over your children and making a mockery of your grace and anointing over their lives.

Give them the needed strength and wisdom to deal with every contrary situation as you keep and preserve them! Encourage them o Lord and cause them to feel an overwhelming presence of you Love!

Lord let Christ be exalted and glorified in this situation! Kepp your church and deliver your chosen, in Jesus Name Amen! Thank you Lord!!!

So why can't you pray fo Sis. Ese Walter too...Pharisees

topeliasu: Uhhmmmm am sure the good lord also gave you the gift to read and understand,for the following questions u asked, you'll find your answers in my 1st n 2nd paragraph,

If Ese has a problem with pastor B, theres something called workers meeting where she could have trashed it out, amongst the workers n the pastors.not bring down the church, Why did you go to pst flo, if what you said is true, why not his wife *smiles* oh ooops i know the answer, if ur motive was to actually get him to stop or apologize, dont you think meeting his wife would have done d magic.

you are guilty on so many grounds, and then again your new salvation needs to be checked coz if u feel peace ryt now, it means your conscience has been smeered with a hot iron,as said in corinthians, you have also sowed discontent amongst brethren,


Ese am soRry dear, but you still havnt gotten rid of your low esteem and inferiority complex, i hope this hits you where it hurts the most, your not sorry for whatever transpired according to your story, you feel used,u wonder why God still blesses him, and your pained.

I still think your story is a recap from a Hints magazine, u studied law, did they also school you on script writing.

And we do not worship our pastors we give them due respect,

Bash the girl!! Protect your oga !! Pharisees.

tpia@:
please, we women should stop embarassing ourselves with all these stories of toto, pardon my french.







ordinary N2000 is what supposedly shut your mouth?

this story does not make sense!

and the writer is even claiming to be in america- isnt that like $15?

or did she mean to type $2000?

if indeed the pastor is sleeping with yall, e be like say una cheap though?

2bundles na 200k

mbulela: there are loads of Christians here blaming the pastor. The pastors actions have no bearing on the infallibility of God. God was God,is God and remains God irrespective of the shenanigans of hirelings or even genuine pastors.

Why is it that Pastors can justify anything with the bible?

And that gaddem immunity clause touch not my anointed....pathetic.

FrostyZonn: The bible warned us to be wary of people like you that will do their utmost best to bring confusion into the house of God.

In your heart, you know the truth, but by your eagerness to sound politically correct, you decided to speak in support of tattoos, just like you habitually do in everything that goes contrary to Christian believes.

Something about Holy bible is that it's so vast that you can practically find any quotation in it and twist it to suit your purpose.

Leviticus 19:27 no longer applies in this era because beard is no more mandatory, although some hadish Jews still observes it.

Leviticus 19:28 no the other hand is telling you to do what you already know in your heart to be the right and reasonable thing to do; to respect your body.

If you are not truly born again, surely the word of God is meaningless to you.

Mr. Frosty aka Pharisee, I hope say you no dey carve your hair and beards, I aslo hope you still sacrifice calves,goats etc @Shiloh. Ehe and remember to pay your tithe.

@OP if your tatoo was cool for you when you got it,wear your tats

game plan: LET HE DAH TINKS HE IS WISE TAKE HEED LESS HE FALLS..ppl jst come here to type wat eva dey feel like tinkin its wisdom...bware of d wrath of GOD!!!

Lol why are you threatening people? You and your kind are the people that encourage pastors to act with impunity.

thehomer: As usual, many refuse to blame the pastor. At least the lady wasn't married but he was.

And they wonder why you are an atheist...hypocrisy

babyosisi: Is there anyone exempting the MOG here
Why are you reading things that ain't written?

A girl goes to a hotel room and ends up having consensual SE.x with a man and repeats it for many more days after then writes a story about it,isn't that blackmail?
What is wrong with you?
Can you take off the MOG screen for a second and address it as an affair between a grown man and a grown woman
Maybe that will help you address the issue better
I just hate the way many Nigerians reason with a one track mind
Does she have to go on the Internet
For what purposes ?

Okay, so she was wrong in going public?

What would she have done?
Was the MOG wrong?

sharp man: COZA Worker,

Aside this Sister Ese, i also know of two similar stories involving your Pastor.

1. As far back as 2002 or 2003 in Ilorin, long before the Abuja church was planted. A certain sister was taken advantage of by the same pastor, the scandal was hurriedly covered up so most people did not hear about it. Even the lady's mum (she's based in Ilorin) was involved. I know the lady personally.

2. The second one involved a family friend. I don't have enough details about this one.

Based on the previous information i have, i am not surprised as i believe he is a serial offender.

Bottom line, don't worship your pastor because he is human and can fall into sin. When you go to church, you should only focus on God.

Aproko things!!!! Where's the evidence?