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IamNawty:Yes we actually understand. For me i felt that the 'powers that be' do not want a christian to rule Kogi state, but since the supreme court had upheld Bello, then who are we? So u guys prefer to have no govnor, no deputy than to have deputy (faleke under Bello)? Is that what u saying? |
masseratti:Kwararafa was a kingdom that existed centuries ago, the greatest in Central Nigeria and among the greatest in current Nigeria. Read about it if u dont know it! |
abdulkayus:Halima speaks yoruba and hausa too, she stayed in Kano and Lagos too and she is Egbirra. Look at this screenshot below where she was in a question and answer section from her fans and she made it clear that she does not speak Igala but Egbirra. U can open the link below and confirm from the website if u are not satisfied. Its bellanaija, so its a trusted source. https://www.bellanaija.com/2012/06/bn-saturday-celebrity-interview-im-just-being-real-hot-sexy-nollywood-actress-halima-abubakar-reveals-all-exclusively-to-bn/
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Okay, let's assume a miracle happens and Anioma state is created and merged with the south-east, thank God, but would that be all? Can this 6 Igbo speaking states challenge the Hausa-fulani power in Nigeria? And for Anioma state, most Anioma indigenes will not have a problem with the state creation, but for the state to be merged with the south-east may be a big problem. Many Anioma people would be seriously against this move especially from the Ika and Ndokwa axis who will see this as an attempt of Igbonization. Anioma Groups like NDI ANIOMA would ensure that such a move never sees daylight. Besides, no hausa-fulani ruler or Yoruba muslim will ever support any move to increase the population of the south-east, they would rather die than for this to be achieved. They love to the south-east disadvantaged the way it is. This is why my greatest advice for my brothers across the Niger would be to prove these core-northernerns wrong, you guys should prove that with or without any merger you can still form a kind of unity with the South-South groups and even if possible, middlebelt groups. And this kind of unity can never come by shouting for Biafra. No. This kind of unity can only come through a common political party or through a very strong social or political group. I must say that i was quite amazed the way you south-easternerns could mobilize yourselves for this Biafran issue, i wish such energy was channeled in the right direction e.g ensuring that APGA as an igbo controlled party wins all the south-eastern governorship slots and extend their power to the South-south and middlebelt. Most yorubas and hausas are speaking the same language today, why? because of a common political party (APC), why can't you guys make this kind of move and gain more supporters and followers this way rather than shouting for Biafra which will be almost impossible to get unless through war? I will keep on telling South-easternerns, no black nation has ever secceeded without war in history and i don't see how Biafra will work without a war. Eriterea had to war with Ethiopia for 12 years before breaking out, South Sudan had to war with Sudan for over 30 years before breaking out. |
Talking about the creation of Anioma state, hmm, how easy will it be? Nobody is talking about state creation anymore in Nigeria. That was during GEJ era. Funny enough, it was an Idoma man in the person of DAVID MARK (former senate president) who was at the fore-front on the issue of state creation during GEJ's tenure because the idomas also wanted APA state out of Benue. David Mark came down to Asaba many times and held meetings with Anioma leaders assuring them of Anioma state. This is why i always caution Igbos to stop antagonizing people and develop a good relationship with other regions, especially their neighbours, because you never know who will be in the position to help you tomorrow. I keep on telling South-east people that the middlebelt people (northern christians) are supposed to be one of their greatest allies, in this game of Nigeria, only that South-east people just need to learn diplomacy and diplomatic skills. But no, what i see on social network most times are igbos insulting northern christians calling them slaves of hausas and i couldn't believe the way many igbos were laughing at Benue people when fulanis were attacking them. May God help us all. PDP are zonning the next presidency slot to the north, what i expect SE and SS people to be doing now is to support the middlebelt/northern christians to ensure that someone from there gets the ticket instead of a core hausa-fulani again, especially someone like DAVID MARK. And i don't know why if i tell some Igbos these kind of things, they will say they are no longer interested in Nigeria but want Biafra. I just SMH, how do you think you can ever get Biafra without the support of about half of Nigeria? How can you say you want Biafra and at the same time want Anioma state in Nigeria to unite all Ibo speakers? There are many things you south-easternerns just need to put in place i swear and i just pray that God will help you guys do the right thing. |
I can see that most of u from the South-east are now putting your minds on the fight for the creation of Anioma state, to be merged with the south-east to increase igbo population or identity in a way. Fine, i am not so much against it, but the question is, how do you people think this can be achieved? So many of u are shouting for Biafra and seccession, how can the fight for seccession (Biafra) and state creation ever be juxtaposed? It will look like madness. It's either you continue with the fight for Biafra and continue to have issues with the south-south people and other Nigerians or you guys drop the fight for Biafra and stretch your warm hands to us in a friendly way and we reciprocate. Let's face it, the harm has already been done. The division between the Igbos, Aniomas and Rivers has already eaten so deep and this effort of reconciliation will take some time to heal and it will not heal by you guys shouting or insulting your brothers from the south-south. Nothing just happens without a reason, some of you guys shouting and insulting Anioma or Rivers igbo denials, probably if you guys were in their shoes, u would have acted likewise. You can never use insults or harsh opposition to win people to a common cause. No amount of insults from the south-easternerns can make all Aniomas or Rivers ibo speakers assert 100% igboness. NO! And it will not be possible for us to be divided with a scissors along lines of igbo denials or acceptance because it is a mixed thing. Even among the ikwerres, ikas, Ndokwas, Ekpeyes and Ogbas there are igbo acceptance and even among the Ndokis, Etches, Enuani and Egbema, there are igbo denials and indifferent people. And surprisingly, among areas like Bonny & Opobo which ijaws are claiming, there are also some of them who proudly identify as Igbo and are more connected to Igbo through language. You people are the large group and homogenous region. Let us forget about yorubas, those people can never really join the SS/SE in a permanent solidarity. The SE has to define what it really wants and set it's goals for her to make any meaningful stride. You guys need to apply diplomacy in whatever you do. Diplomacy always works, what matters is how you go about it. |
This time around, i don't have the time for unnecesary arguments, insults, rantings, provings and disprovings, that will not take anybody anywhere. Let us be more practical and solution providing. I believe we are all matured than such behaviours really. Let us learn to control our emotions. Anyone who chooses to continue behaving below his or her age, it's the person's business. Whether we be Igbos, Aniomas, Ikwerres or whatever, my greatest belief is that we are all in this together. The common hausa man does not know how to differentiate the average Igbo, Deltan or south-southerner. To him, we are all the same, funny enough, even some middlebelt people like Idomas and Igalas are sometimes classified or seen as Igbos by Hausas. And the funniest thing is that we all keep on allowing these hausas divide and rule us. For those of u doubting me, go to Kano. Sabongari is the only place where southern christians are allowed to be free and build churches e.t.c, when you go there, there is nothing like i am Anioma, Ikwerre, Ika or Igbo, we are all inyamiris to them. Even the efiks, Ibibios, ijaws and even some middlebelt christians who don't speak hausa are adressed as inyamiris (igbos). Anybody who has lived in the north will know that there is a very big difference within the northernerns, even among the core muslim northernerns, there are hausas, there are fulanis, there are Kanuris, Shuwa arabs, Bolewa, Bura, Bauchi tribes and many others, these people have their very strong differences and they do discriminate each other just as southern tribes do among themselves (many southernerns may not know this) but these people have allowed Islam and the use of hausa language unite them as one and this is why they will continue to dominate the south unless the south finds a common ground to unite and challenge them. Aniomas and Rivers people may have their issues with Igbos, but however, we know we are still related and have some ties with each other which can never be destroyed, and we know we also have so much in common irrespective of our differences and it's up to us for us to make the positivity out of the most of it or continue to wallow in negativity. |
AlNur:Ok, if u say so. But just for the records, sperm n blood are different and children most times tend to be products of their mothers nurturing cos she spends more time with them than the father. |
YonkijiSappo:I know some ebiras will agree to form a new state with Okun, but i don't think that will be a great idea. See the way Faleke (okun) and Yahaya Bello (ebira) are fighting themselves over who to succeed late Audu (igala). Both ebira n okun have been crying of igala domination since 1992 and now when Audu died they finally got their chance, only for them to start fighting each other again instead of them uniting to silence igalas forever. Now an igala got deputy gov leaving okun with nothing. Now both okuns and igalas are hating ebiras, the next election will clearly see igalas teeming up with okuns and surely igalas will take the lead and everything goes back to where it was. Okun and ebira are two large tribes, they can never agree on one thing, they will always be at loggerheads. It would be better for Okun to merge with Ekiti because they both speak yoruba, but there will still be some form of subserviency on the path of okuns and Ekitis will still see them as 2nd class citizens, feeling like ''oh, u guys left northcentral to come and join us after being dealt with by other middlebelt tribes, so better respect yourselves in our state o, we are the landlords here'' LoL. There will never be equality in that state i bet you. Okuns and Ekitis are large groups with very different dialects. Their case will be akin to Ijebu vs Egba in Ogun state. Okuns merging with Igbomina or Kwara south is the best option, both of them are familiar with each other and are facing same struggle of identity merger and were once together in old Kwara state. Ilorin may not really care about the fate of Kwara south as such. Ilorin is an emirate and islam remains paramount to them and not tribe. Just that this move will be heavily resisted by core-northernerns who will feel that there is a western agenda to steal Ilorin emirate from them to the south. Anything involving Kwara and state creation will anger the hausa-fulanis. Yoruba support will never be enough to challenge the core north, it has to be yoruba together with middlebelt groups and possibly South-south/South-east in order to silence the core-north. So, for now, state creation or state merger is like a dream. |
YonkijiSappo:No my dear, Igalas, Idomas and Igbirrras are originally from Kwararafa. Go and study history very well, it was not manufactured. There are many proofs. Jukuns of Taraba state have many similarities in culture and language with idoma, Igala and Igbirra and the jukuns were the leaders of Kwararafa kingdom. Have u ever been to Nasarawa state and related with the people there and their ethnic groups? Most of them there speak similar dialects and many like Alago, Agatu, Afo, Ekye are very much like Idoma in the way they sound. All these idomoid groups of languages came from Kwararafa and they are called APA people. The fulani jihad was what divided Kwararafa descendants so much and displaced and divided many of them. Ebiras fled from Kwararafa area and first settled in Agatu in Benue and many Agatu people still classify themselves under Ebira and many of them claim Ebira ancestry, the ebiras who settled there gave rise to the Egbura (Egbirra opanada, Toto and Umaisha) people of Nasarawa state and when the Egbirras left there that was how they founded the other Egbirra settlements like Egbirra koto of FCT and Lokoja, Egbirra mozum of Bassa and finally the Egbirra tao of Kogi central that you know. Ebira etuno in Edo migrated from Tao land. All egbirras even down to their king know they came from kwararafa. And pls, kwararafa is not part of the north. They are in Taraba state and culturally and geographically middlebelt. Igalas are the ones who do not have wholly kwararafan origin although about half of igalas today claim kwararafa. I think this is because they were conquered and ruled by kwararafa for a long time and during this period, many kwararafan settlers came amongst them and even during the fall of kwararafa, many fleeing groups settled with igalas. The current Attah of igala proudly identifies with kwararafa. No, kwararafa could never have claimed Okun, how could they? They don't claim anyone. The average jukun people don't have the time to claim anybody, rather it is other tribes that identify with their kingdom. I am partly Idoma. Are u Okun? |
IamNawty:But an Egbirra man is now the governor. You Okuns, Egbirras and other groups are the ones who have allowed igalas dominate the state, igalas are not more than the rest of you combined, but u guys never unite. Okun state can never be a reality like i told u. U guys have to be merged with another southwestern state or merge with Kwara yoruba parts to form another state. Okun land is too small to be a state of it's own |
jayrule:As much as i may appear mischievious to your likes, i am not saying the wrong thing. The truth must be said sometimes no matter what. And pls, are u from Kwara state or have u ever been in the north central region? Kwara state can never be up to 78% yoruba, how? Kwara has 3 senatorial disricts, the whole of Kwara north is populated by Nupes and Bariba (Busa) people, while Kwara central (Ilorin) is mixed, everyone speaks yoruba here as his mother's tongue or second language but not everyone identifies as yoruba, some choose to idetify as fulanis, nupes or just ilorin. This is the region plagued with identity crisis, while Kwara south are the bonafide ethnic yorubas. So tell me how this kind of state can be 78% yorubas. You have no right to count everyone in Kwara central or Ilorin as yorubas, hell NO!. Kwara is somewhat 60% yoruba while 40% nupes, baribas, busa and fulani. Nothing more nothing less, pls stop spreading false facts! |
YonkijiSappo: YonkijiSappo:Yes u are very correct. Are u ebira? |
SlayerSupreme:Yes u have a point, but asides shame, don't you think these tribes also bring glory to Ndigbo when they do well? |
Great |
I have evn heard many Okun people from Kogi say that they are not yorubas. Many Ilorin people reject yoruba too. |
Look at her legs, she bleached her skin |
SlayerSupreme:Must this issue be tribalized? The man is a Nigerian for crying out loud, irrespective of his ethnicity or region. |
HarkymTheOracle:You are very correct. The rich people don't care about tribal and religious differences as such, they dine, wine, do business, date and marry each other while the poor people are ready to kill each other because of differences. |
Peterosky:LoL, ok give me your adress, i will mobilize my galz to come and gangrape u. Xpect us ![]() |
IamNawty:Ok, i understand u very well. But this issue of forced marriage as u must know also affected Ibo speaking tribes in the south-south who were forced into union with other tribes and this has made them have issues of identity crisis. Our colonial masters were the problems. From some history sources i read, i learnt that it was because of the Nupes that your people were forced into the Northern prectorate, that the Nupes told the colonial masters that they have conquered u guys and u people are under them, i don't know how true this is, but i do know that Nupes raided okun areas for slaves seriously in the past b4 the british came. Okun state cannot work because it will be too small to be a state. I tot i heard that you guys wanted to merge with parts of Kwara (kwara south) in order to form OYUN state or something like that? to return to southwest? |
IamNawty:Cc BigFrancis I hope you can see this? And attest to the fact that Identity crisis is not limited to Anioma land. Okuns and Ilorins are in it too. The geo political zoning did not affect igbos alone! So why cry more? sholatech: |
IamNawty:Yes, egbirra is not related to yoruba in language but in culture, yes. In names too yes. Do u know ebira oloko people who have naturalized in yoruba land? They are very many in Ondo state and other states like Ekiti and Osun. These ones are becoming yorubanized. |
CFCman:No, in most countries of the world. |
abdulkayus:No, u are wrong, she is Egbirra and not Igala, she and Mercy Johnson are both from Okene and they grew up in Lagos. |
enomakos:Culturally north central (middlebelt) is not the same with the core north. Religiously too there is a difference. Core north is dominantly muslim while middlebelt is religiously mixed and there is no sharia law! |
bigfrancis21:When we see fake accounts we know them. LoL. The person commenting made some points though but his tone has betrayed his real identity or maybe he is hybrid. |
yusufobinna1:K, dats nice. Many happy returns! |
VomeSchakleton:I think i may support DanZubair that Gobir truly is the origin of hausas and not just hausas alone, many middlebelt tribes too. I studied the origin of many northern minority tribes and many sources claim that Gobir is the origin of some of these tribes. GorkoSusaay:Pls i dont think the Kwararafans and Nupes were ever under hausa nor where they formed by hausas. Nupe land was founded by an igala prince from Idah according to Nupe oral traditions while most igalas claim to have come from Kwararafa and kwararafa itself claims to have come from the middle east directly. Kebbi, yauri and zamfara may be banza bakwai but not middlebelt tribes. |
Hmm that will be difficult |
Okun people are very lovely, enlightened and friendly people unlike their egbirra neighbours. And pls OP, i think you need to get your history right, nobody ever forced Okun into the northern region. Am from Benue (partly), and all of us were conquered by the Europeans and largely placed under the northern prectorate from the beginning. So it's a colonial issue that is why it would be very difficult for us to remove that name north-central or re-define our identities. Besides, Okun people were under old kwara state before which was a yoruba speaking dominated state and your people never complained when you and the ebiras were carved out of old kwara and merged with the igalas from old Benue state to form new Kogi state. |
masseratti: IamNawty:OP, seems like you really don't know Egbirra people well o. An ebira girlfriend of mine bears LOLA, a yoruba name. I think the former senator of Kogi central, his name was Nurudeen Obatemi, an ebira man with a yoruba surname. Yes, egbirras migrated from kwararafa together with the idomas and igalas, but overtime i think they were influenced by yoruba culture. Their language is very different from yoruba, but they have been influenced by yoruba because many of their people migrated to yoruba land. |
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