ednited:



It mainly affect the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahdo church, because the first member who decided this was the Tewahdo church. But still the Protestants and Catholic are following the tewahdo church on this.

I don't know why we celebrate separately but I believe our church is right. Many people criticize our time of celebting holidays. . .some ask why Ethiopia has to have her own new year. We are totally brain washed that we only think the white people are right. Don't get me wrong, but I trust my ancestors more than any one. The new year celebrated by the world is at the wrong time. The months are named by gods and even there was a reason why almost all Ethiopian months have 30 days. The last month in Ethiopia (Puagme), has 5 days and it will become 6 in each leap year. Puagme 7 will exist once in 600 years, and something will happen in that day (I forgot). I will try to read again more on that and also on the Christmas date. I was really convinced hearing our deacon explaining about all this.If you had known Amharic, I would have sent you the link

I am bad at remembering date . . .but I know we celebrate Christmas few days after you guys do.

Interesting. I learnt that the Ethiopian orthodox church has been isolated from other orthodox churches for 15 centuries and hence evolved new practices of it's own.

~~~~ I don't mean to be offensive, but I have once watched a documentary on the Ethiopian orthodox church and my oh my, it felt very very strange and very different from every other church I had seen. Apparently, you guys use entirely different books of the New testament & Old testament maybe?

****** I guess Pentecostal & Catholic Ethiopians have been heavily influenced by Ethiopian christian culture, hence they find it so hard to deviate from the culture.

rvp2018:
You have never been unitary..youre federal.Ours is unitary with devolution post 2010

We are unitary in the sense that Abuja controls everywhere even though we have the state govts. In the past we were regional, where the center was very week and every region lived and developed independently from each other, just like you have in the UK.. ..

Nowenuse:


Genie, look at these Kenyan houses below, I call them CONCENTRATION CAMP HOUSES

These are the only kind of houses accessible to low income Kenyans. These are the houses people like NairobiWalker, TayserMahiri and rvp20183 live in .

Can you guess how much the range of rent for these houses are? Just give a wild guess.

Imagine this, such overcrowding. How do people even survive in this kind of houses? I would suffocate if I was here.

***** I have no idea how much these houses cost, but if I were to give a guess, I'd say maybe #100,000 ($300) per annum?

rvp20183:
Kenya was unitary - so there was no real way of knowing who got what - and we changed the constitution in 2010 to allow for devolution or regionalism.

Nigeria is unitary too, but we still always knew how much each state receives from the federal govt.
***** Regionalism in Kenya? Do you guys have regional govts? Or county govt?

rvp2018:
Sound like communal livin.
Your mother is a slumlord.She trying to make the extra coin but in most countries she wont be allowed to do what she is doing..and she probably would own one single rental property bringing more money than all slums she has.Btw do 10 Nigerians rent one house like they abroad.I dont I know any kenyan who can build 5 bedroom house and then throw an extension of 2 bedroom again.Most urbane kenyans have max 3 kids..and people generally wants privacy.

Can you guys ever engage in discussions without being directly insultive and disrespectful?
***** Aren't you guys taught common manners from your early schooling? I really fear the kind of education given to Kenyan kids.

~~~Nigerians building extension apartments in their compounds for rent is the reason why we don't have overblown slum communities in our cities. Because people with lower incomes can find good apartments for rent in decent houses.

forgiveness:


Walahi! Meself believed that fat lie until Kazi exposed him big time. Chaiiiiiii! My mumu don do.

Don't ever believe anything these Kenyans claimed here because all are full of lies.

Lol. Kenyans and lies.
*** if nor be kazikazi wey dey open these people yakata, dem for just dey take us dey do yeye with lai-lai.

PROVERBZ:
yes dear in abia state within three local governments there close to port Harcourt

This is so nice. I see Port harcourt and parts of Abia merging to form a large metropolitan area in the future.

*** These are actually the kind of projects that deserve celebration.

rvp20183:
We don't have oil to share around. Those regions that are in Arid and semi Arid areas will obviously struggle. Their story though is changing - we now have devolution - and are able to throw around 3B dollars to those counties - but ultimately Kenyans have had to pull themselves by their bootstraps - and by basically pulling together as is our national motto - HARAMBEE!!!!

Here are some Okada (kenya Bodaboda) members who were saving 1/2 dollar a day - with their brand new homes.

Are you actually insinuating that before oil was discovered in Northern Kenya, they never got some good money from the central govt to support themselves?

PROVERBZ:
Never seen before master plan of enyimba economic city
Among all the other new cities it is the first to include a university and a sport arena smart
.educational and sports tourism

What state is this new city going to be situated? Abia state?

forgiveness:



The same way you lied you don't have one single drop of mineral resources, until Kazi exposed your fat lies, huh?


How come you earned earned $54.5m dollars from Titanium alone if the value of Kenya's natural resources is $50m dollars, huh?

In addition to $4m from wood which is one percent or 16 percent of whatever.

We have not included oil, gold, iodised salt, etcetera.

You can only lie to yourself again, you don't have natural resources.

No wonder oil barons are building your Nairobi.

Wow, can you imagine I fell for the lies that Kenya has no mineral rescources which contributes to their economic growth?

ednited:



Thank you so much! Although we don't celebrate Christmas here the same day you guys do. . . .

Our Christmas is like after week

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND EVERY NAIRALANDER DEAR

****Sorry for the late reply, I was really busy. How was it though? ****

Wow, really? I never heard of this. I always thought the whole world celebrates Christmas on the same day (except for Jehovah's witnesses who do not believe in Christmas in its entirety of course).

~~~ In ET, does this affect only the Tewahedo orthodox christians? Or both Tewahedo, Catholic & Pentecostal?

>>> What date is your own christmas and what are the reasons behind this? Thanks

Kazikazi:
United republic of Tanzania
Mount Kilimanjaro
If your mountain has this magnificent glaciers,may you pliz raise ur hand

They're so beautiful. Have you ever toured this mountain?

NairobiWalker:


See Your Hypocrisy? You ask if Nigeriens are richer than Tanzanians then when someone responds you disagree very strongly. You always ask questions that you already have answers. You post here like you're talking to little children, that's why you're very useless. Your questions are stupid and no self-respecting person should answer them.

Thank you for the insults, I hope it makes you feel better about yourself and helps you live a happier life.

***** You are too small to make me loose my home training by dragging myself into the gutters with you to trade on insults.

I hope you can proudly show these posts to your children, family members and coworkers. Have a nice day .

obaaderemi:
Thank you for posting this. This is exactly what we have been telling you people here. Northern Nigeria is the main reason you can even be mentioning Nigeria and Kenya in the same discussion. It has a large population and is largely backward and illiterate. It drags down Nigeria's developmental stats. Meanwhile, none of the Nigerians on this thread is from core northern Nigeria. They are from southern and central Nigeria and are appalled that with all the backwardness and poverty in northern Nigeria, we are still richer than Kenya and we beat you in consumption index per capita such as cement consumption per capita and vehicles per 1000 people. That's a shame. You would expect a small "well run" country without a history of coups and civil war or apartheid to beat a "chaotic" African behemoth like Nigeria with 180m people easily. But look at your pitiable country. You are not much better than Senegal. If you understand the implications of this, you would burst into hot tears.

@ bolded, we have had one core-northern Nigerian on this thread in the past. Forgotten his name. But even he was born and bred in Lagos.

***** Core-northerners are heavily under-represented in Nairaland. It's not popular among them, however, you find them so many on facebook.

~~~You see Hausa, fulanis, Kanuris, Bauchi & Yobe tribes. These are just the people dragging all Nigerian development statistics backwards. Western literacy is just their biggest problem. Niger state people are now joining them in this madness even though they are part of the middlebelt. And the sad thing is that these people will still take a long time to catch up.

But check this report by CIA below, the rates were higher for core-northern states when literacy in any language was conducted. This means that perhaps many core-northerners may be literate in Hausa/Arabic? I'm not so sure.

https://www.legit.ng/amp/1161372-literacy-rate-nigeria-by-states.html

obaaderemi:
Thank you for posting this. This is exactly what we have been telling you people here. Northern Nigeria is the main reason you can even be mentioning Nigeria and Kenya in the same discussion. It has a large population and is largely backward and illiterate. It drags down Nigeria's developmental stats. Meanwhile, none of the Nigerians on this thread is from core northern Nigeria. They are from southern and central Nigeria and are appalled that with all the backwardness and poverty in northern Nigeria, we are still richer than Kenya and we beat you in consumption index per capita such as cement consumption per capita and vehicles per 1000 people. That's a shame. You would expect a small "well run" country without a history of coups and civil war or apartheid to beat a "chaotic" African behemoth like Nigeria with 180m people easily. But look at your pitiable country. You are not much better than Senegal. If you understand the implications of this, you would burst into hot tears.

Wow, Nigerians and bad mouth I'm not Kenyan, but it's like I could already feel pain for Kenyans just by this write up alone.

***** I know we're using very harsh tones against each other for the sake of 'pepe dem', but let us be unbiased and realistic for now.
Kenya is not really doing so bad for an African country. Here are my reasons, Kenya is far smaller than both Nigeria and Tanzania with less mineral rescources, yet they manage to do well in many development indexes.

~~~Kenya's backlash I think is extreme uneven development and strong foreign ownership in their economy. Kenya might have a comparatively large east African economy on paper, but a huge chunk of this wealth is not benefitted or owned by black Kenyans.

++++ Tanzania is no different from Kenya in this regard. Both countries have never experienced civil war, decades of military rule and series of coups. They should be doing far better than they are doing.

NairobiWalker:


She can even begin speaking about you and your family and she'll have more knowledge than you at it. Interestingly she'll start by asking innocent questions like are you married? Is your wife Kenyan? Then BAM! she'll ignore all you told her and explain everything about your life to you like an expert.

You're crazy

***** Only a fool will accept everything someone else tells him/her without making any further researches to see if the facts on ground corroborates the persons report.
~~~ It's called being enlightened. There are always different sides to a story.

Besides you talk as if you guys are any different, with everything we tell you guys about Nigeria, do you guys accept any of it?
>>>> You guys went as far as discrediting and arguing with the World Bank, UN and IMFwhose facts corroborate the reality of Nigeria

Learn to remove the mote in your own eyes before you point out those of your neighbour.

tylann:
who told we have overcrowded buildings and small rooms without proper ventilation ??

I read a report on that somewhere. Do you want me to show you?

Kazikazi:
Beautifulness games!!

Hahahaha, Kenyans voted as the Ugliest people in Africa? Oh my, please give me the link to the report, I'd love to read it.

**** Alas, I've been justified (smiles)

mtisTheQubit00:

am liking ths

Lol.

NairobiWalker:

Yes, Niger is more developed than Tanzania Her Hypocrisy the Queen Genieluv.

Even Nigeriens will not agree with you. It's impossible.

NairobiWalker:


Who is anyone when according to you Nigerians are building their own houses Your Hypocrisy the Queen?

When I said Nigerians build their houses, did you think I meant 'all Nigerians'? I meant those Nigerians who want to build their houses.
***** My mother has 2 houses in Kaduna. One (a storey building with four 3 bedroom appartments) was built solely for renting out, while our main house, a 5 bedroom house has an extra 2 bedroom appartment occupied by a tenant. This was exactly the scene I was depicting.

NairobiWalker:


Useless hypocrite.

Do you feed on hate and bitterness? For God's sake it was christmas Show some love and have fun. Smh.

**** I'll play more mature and won't insult you in return.

NairobiWalker:


'People build their personal houses with extra flats for rent'

So who rents those flats?

Anyone who is interested.

obaaderemi:
I hate to break your heart,sonny. Your car ownership is a miserable 23 for every 1000 citizens. Nigeria is 31 for every 1000 citizens.

http://www.lubrita.com/news/45/671/Interesting-statistic-list-of-countries-by-vehicles-per-capita/
What is the population of northern Kenya. And how can a country like Nigeria have more medical doctors per capita than a small country like Kenya? Your universities must be more of civic studies than science and medicine as Kazikazi has been telling you. No wonder they are ranked beneath an ordinary private university in Nigeria.

Oh my, thank you for this link. I was really enlightened

***** Do you think Car ownership per thousand people is a clear development indicator? For me I think it gives a clue to development, but other factors also play in.

For instance an advanced economy like Hong Kong ranks very low apparently because Car ownership in HK is heavily discouraged by the govt just like in Singapore. It is extremely expensive to own a car in HK or Singapore. They have the most advanced public transport systems in the world.

~~~~ I can see that Nigeriens own more cars than Tanzanians. Can we really say that Niger republic is more developed than Tanzania?

gallivant:


You don't know anything about the Kenyan housing system. I know for a fact that people are uncomfortable living next to 20 Nigerians sharing an apartment in Nairobi. They should do that in your Nigerian system, in Nigeria.

I don't know anything about the Kenyan housing system? Ok then, tell me about it.
******From all I can see, Kenyan neighbourhoods are heavily income based.

••••In Nigeria, people build their personal houses with extra flats and appartments available for rent, this doesn't seem to be the case in Kenya from what I can see.

Nowenuse:


You have sounded this, time without number to Kenyans. So I don't think you need to keep on stressing it out with them.
Only an irredeemable fool will call an entire suburb a slum just because of some slummish streets in that suburb.

For instance, I live in Ekpan (a suburb of Warri city).
Look at these 4 google satelite pics below of Ekpan, you can see that the first neighbourhood of the suburb looks slummish, but the other parts do not.

I know the slummish parts very well, that's where many of the indigenes live, they are mostly old family houses. However, most of these old houses have boreholes and modern toilet facilities. They are just irregularly built (exactly as they were many decades ago).
Now people like NairobiWalker and gallivant will say we should call the entire Ekpan a slum, just because some streets look slummish. Sometimes I just wonder how their brains work.

Thank you so much. I couldn't have said more.
~~~~ I seriously wonder how seemingly educated folks will say we should call an entire community a slum just because 1 or 2 streets in the community are slumish.

mtisTheQubit00:

idiot

2009? That's almost 10 years ago. Not accurate.

gallivant:


Listen lady, if you can't post your pic extend the same courtesy to the other women. You can't tell us you are beautiful by using other women's photos. Let's see this beauty you speak of.

***** If it looks like a slum, smells like a slum then definitely it's a slum. There is no such thing as slummish, even in the dictionary.

Go back hundreds of pages and you will see my picture.
If you want me to repost mine, then post yours. Sorry you joined the thread late. Many of us shared our pictures here earlier.

~~~Then what name do you call the slum when it is just one or 2 streets in a community? Do you call the entire community a slum when only 1 or 2 streets in the community are slumish? I need a sincere and intellectual answer.~~~

Kur17:


Call a spade a spade, you're contradicting yourself by saying
"we do not have a Kibera in Nigeria except for Makoko on the waters" Makoko is much worse than kibera

How would they buy something that is not on sale? Allot of Kenyans are willing and able to buy and develop those lands

I'm not contradicting myself cos I made Makoko an exception.
**** Makoko is no different from Kibera except that it is on waters. Houses in Makoko are even more spaced than in Kibera where they are all jammed up.

~~~ Lands in Kibera not being up for sale all boils down to the housing system and land usage system which Kenya operates. The occupants of Kibera are not the owners of their lands, but in Nigerian slummish parts of a suburb, the lands belong to the occupants who can sell them at will if given the right amount of money.

gallivant:


There is no such thing as slummish. A slum is a slum, low self esteem is low self esteem. Post your pic lady, let's see your northern Nigerian features.

I have posted my picture before. Ask your fellow Kenyans here. How many times do I have to drive this to you?

***** A slum is only a slum when it is a community of it's own. 2 or 3 slum looking streets in an entire suburb cannot make that entire suburb a slum.

gallivant:


I prefer the Kenyan system. Personally I don't want to live next to 20 Nigerians scumbags sharing an apartment.

The Kenyan housing system is too chaotic and stressful.
Extremely small rooms without proper ventilation in overcrowded buildings. Lower income people have no choices in Kenya and this seems unfair.

****** In Nigeria, lower income people have an array of choices. They are not condemned to the same kind of overcrowded mass housing just because they don't have the money.

~~~Our housing system in Nigeria caters better for lower income earners.

forgiveness:


It's very glaring. Most Kenyans are extremely poor. I watched another documentary about extreme poverty in Kenya yesterday on cables. You go cry for poverty.

Anyway, me don satisfy myself with the truth. Na their palaba if they continue to hide it.

Nor be small tin o bros.

**** You see, urban poverty (just as seen in Kenya) is supposed to be the true definition of poverty according to western statistics.
Classifying Rural poverty in the African context is quite skewed because monetary evaluations do not just add up considering how rural africans live.

Kur17:


As for me, I think it's better the Kenyan way, bcz it'll be easier to manage or upgrade the estates ...

Something you shld also know is that majority, almost all slums in Kenya are not owned by those who built those structures there...it started as temporary structures...

And you see, that's why we do not have a Kibera in Nigeria except for Makoko on the waters.
If Kibera were to be in Lagos, wealthier people would have bought lands there, demolished the illegal structures and build better houses, before you know it within a short time, the place looks better.