Kazikazi:
I still doubt your sources.

We are the speakers of Swahili,we grew up speaking no other language but Swahili,we were taught the history of Swahili at school.So are you believing a white man just because he wrote something about Swahili? Have you heard people saying "from a horse's mouth"? Why can't you believe something from a horse's mouth?

Yes Tanzania made it a national language.Kenya too.Rwanda,burundi ,uganda ,Congo also.Comoro uses Swahili though not much.

Yes I am a Swahili because I speak it.Its my mother tongue although I have a tribe which isn't Swahili

@ the bolded. So confusing.
English language/Pidgin english has become the mother tongue (sole language spoken at home) by many Nigerians. Can these Nigerians now call themselves English people?

*** You have an ethnicity which is not swahili, but you are a swahili because you speak swahili?
Kikuyu1, are you also a swahili and no longer kikuyu because you speak swahili too?

darfay:



Hausa are not so privileged compared to the rest of Nigeria.


Lagos is a cosmopolitan state within the Yoruba homeland. So yes Yoruba majority(indegenious Lagos Yoruba are by far a minority except in Lagos island) but every other tribe is well represented

Why do you say this?

NairobiWalker:


Swahili ethnicity is largely an undefined entity. People who refer to themselves as Swahili range from pure bantus to pure Arabs. In fact in some instances, anyone from the coast is referred to as Swahili. It's thus really hard to tell who a Swahili is considering every Swahili also identifies as some other ethnicity (Eg. Bajuni)

Hmm, this is quite complex.

••••• Kazikazi is now saying that anyone who speak Swahili is a native swahili.

Aren't there people who identify as ethnic swahilis? It doesn't matter how other view them.

>>>> Take we Northern Nigerian minorities for instance, most Southern Nigerians identify and address us as Hausas, some of us have lost our native languages and hausa is becoming the mother tongue. However, we still never address ourselves as Hausa people.

***** Over 100 million west Africans speak Hausa fluently, but we know the true ethnic Hausas, they are barely about 30 million people.

Infact, at the end of the day, the subject of ethnicity is a complex one. People choose to identify themselves the way they like and we might as well have to accept them for what they say.

~~~~ The bone of contention here is saying that no one owns swahili language.
Since no one owns swahili, then can we say it is sort of a pidgin bantu or creole language?? If so, why then are these coastal people referred to as Waswahili (or Swahili people)? It's really confusing.

NairobiWalker:


Ngumo and Woodley are part of Kibera but not part of Kibera slums. Within Kibera there are different neighborhoods some like Silanga, Kisumu Ndogo, Gatwekera are full blown slums while Olympic is a decent place and other sections like Ngumo are middle class while Woodley is Upper middle class. They all constitute Kibra Constituency (btw Kibera is a corruption of the word Kibra). Learn sister, learn.

Kibera constituency, wow. This makes it look like Kibera is so influential to the extent it's name swallowed up others to be the name of the entire consituency?

~~~~ Kibera is a community of it's own under Kibera constituency, good ! Mpape is a community of it's own. The non slumish parts of Mpape are not a different community under Mpape. They are one indivisible community, but Kibera community is different from others even though they are under the same constituency.

It's just like the difference between Lagos city and Lagos state! Lekki and Ikeja are different cities from Lagos city, but they are all under Lagos state.

•••• So, while we can call Kibera community a slum, we cannot call Kibera constituency a slum.

Mpape on the other hand cannot be called a slum, we can only say Mpape has slummish parts (or better still to suit you, slum parts) Simple as ABC.

Setting that aside, why don't you Kenyans show us places in Nigeria that look like Kibera except Makoko? You want to compare Banana and Oranges?

***** The overwhelming majority of houses in Kibera 'community' and other Kenyan slums are built with Iron sheets and polythene bags, while those of Nigeria are built with concrete blocks, modern toilets, ceiling, roofs and a solidly dug foundation *****

What you guys are doing is akin to classifying China and Africa as the same just because both are considered '3rd world developing countries with a western nomenclature', forgetting that the differences between both are as wide as night and day.

Kazikazi:
I doubt your source.Even in Tz we don't have a tribe called swahili,but what I know most people who are in coastal areas are called "waswahili" in Tz. So in other words, we can say a Swahili person is:;
1.anyone who speaks Swahili
2.anyone who resides in the coastal areas of east Africa
3.....

Swahili is recognized as an independent ethnic group by most sources.
**** Tanzania has nationalized and nationally indiginized swahili from what I can see, so, I get your concept.

>>>> However do you think Kenyans like NairobiWalker will accept to be called a Swahili because they speak the language? Are you yourself a swahili because you speak the language?

NairobiWalker:


There's nothing like pidgin, you simply speak English in a Nigerian accent same way I'll speak English with a Kenyan accent and you'll understand.

Absolutely not. There are entirely different words in Pidgin english with diverse origins..
No matter the different accent of a language, native speakers of that language must understand most of what is being spoken, but Pidgin is now a different language entirely barely understood by native speakers of English.

***** Just like Hatian creole, French people can hardly understand it.

NairobiWalker:

Then I guess there are a million Kenyans on this thread. Clap for yourself.

Kenyans were the ones who flew all the way from East Africa here, but amongst millions of Nigerians here they only got the attention of less than a dozen

***** This shows how important they are

I bet if it was about Tanzania or South Africa, more Nigerians would have given an attention.

NairobiWalker:


Now you take a white man's language and think it's yours so bad that when a white man speaks it you think he's stealing your language?

Italian, Spanish, French and Portuguese all evolved as Pidgin forms of Latin, but today they are among the most spoken languages in the world

NairobiWalker:


It's your Nigerian 'beauty' that couldn't resist him. You know, once you meet a Kenyan guy you don't want to let go. You remember how that Nigerian girl from big brother used to fight over Prezzo? She dumped her husband for Prezzo and would cry all the time when Prezzo ignored her?

Anyway, I'm sure I wouldn't fvck you if they locked us in the same room. Sorry dear.

Oh! So you guys are actually big fans of Big Brother Africa to the extent that you knew who was begging for who's love?
~~~~ Why then have you guys been lying and degrading the importance of BBA when we used it in the past as a medium to judge how Kenyans have never won nor make the finalists list in the biggest reality TV show in Africa?
••••• That's why they say be careful or whatever you say would be used against you in the court of law

NairobiWalker:


There's something really wrong with you, we post you photos of slums in Nigeria, you deny those slums exist and dare us to consult google maps. I consult google maps and show you the slums, you come here with links explaining how those slums are marked for demolition. The argument is, are those slums or not? Whether they're marked for demolition or not doesn't matter, they're still slums and you lied to us that there are no slums in Abuja.



What are you talking about here now? There's nothing like slummish looking, what I saw is a slum, a full blown slum. Stop sugar coating it. Below are pictures of Woodley (first pic) and Ngumo (second pic) which are part of Kibera and really good estates, do they exempt Kibera from being a slum? You're trying too hard my dear.

The problem with you people is denial. You'll even deny your own mothers. You deny even something that is on Google maps?


There's nothing like slummish looking once again, it's either a slum or not.


So apparently you think vehicles don't go into Kibera? You think there are no roads in Kibera?

FYI even in Nairobi slums are not equal, some like Kibera have mostly tin houses while others like Kawangware (third picture) have nice concrete houses.

Pathetic.

Oga mi, but Ngumo and Woodley estates are not part of Kibera na, why do you have to tell lies to buttress your points?
**** You're more matured than that na

Kazikazi:
Swahili isn't a tribe.Swahili formed when foreigners interacted with Bantus in east African coast. In a simple math,25% of Swahili language is Arabic,60% is Bantu,the rest is Germany,English,Portuguese and others.

Yes no one owns swahili

Are you sure? Bro, swahili evolved as a hybrid ethnic group, so are Fulanis and Touaregs of West Africa who evolved from a mixture of North African berber and black west africans.
***** We also have the Shuwa Arabs in Nigeria who evolved as a mix of Arabs and Nilotic west africans.

>>>> Even Amharas & Tigrays of Ethiopia are a mix of cushitic native east Africans and Semitic Yemeni pre-islamic arab people.
Many ethnic groups and languages of the world today evolved from mixtures of distinct people.

NairobiWalker:


But this one is a recent one, within a very short time it'll be the longest.

We don't really care. What matters is the kind of interest the word Kenya pulls from Nigerians.

Interest of only a handful of Nigerians amongst a forum with millions of Nigerians? Wow You're so smart.

NairobiWalker:


Look at the unbiased view of Mpape now. Pure slum.

Notice in the second pic how the roads are untarmaced.

Besides, I'm sure it took you a whole lot of time to do the searching for the slummish parts of Mpape.
**** Well, still waiting for those of Durumi, Mabushi et al. Damn! You work so hard on this

NairobiWalker:


Once a hypocrite, always a hypocrite. Sorry dear.

Hahahaha, you know you truly want me deep down

***** Ask the hottest singer in the best music group from your country why he had to settle for a Nigerian beauty, leaving all the Kenyan ladies behind.

tlann:
i don't know the proper history behind Swahili it has many theories Kikuyu is a tribe you don't want to force other Kenyan tribes to learn it so Swahili is a common ground no one owns it

Isn't Swahili the native language of swahili people of the coastal areas anymore? How then does no one own it?

NairobiWalker:


Look at the unbiased view of Mpape now. Pure slum.

Notice in the second pic how the roads are untarmaced.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/93854-court_dismisses_suit_stopping_fcda_from_demolishing_mpape_abuja_.html


https://demolitionwatchnigeria./2013/03/11/mpape-federal-capital-territory/amp/

Please read both links.
The slummish parts of Mpape were supposed to have been demolished since 2012, but the case was taken to court by the residents. Do you know why those parts still manage to exist today? Well, read the links. Those areas were areas given to the indigenous people of Abuja to settle after they were resettled away from their native lands in the heart of Abuja.
So many other settlers came there and you can see by those reports that houses have already been marked for demolition in the slummish parts of Mpape, but the FCDA try their best to avoid the houses of these indigenous people.
***** Just day before yesterday as you can see in the first link, the court has finally given the FCDA the rights to demolish anywhere they want in Mpape. So, in any time from now, all the residents can kiss the area goodbye. ..... I hope the natives are spared, anyway.

>>>> Thank God you have finally understood that only a part of Mpape is slummish. So, do you think categorizing the whole of Mpape as a slum is correct? That is what I've been trying to tell you.
Can you show me any parts of Kibera or Mathare or any other Kenyan slums with pure non-slummish neighbourhoods?

Besides those pictures you are posting of Mpape no longer exist cos the place was heavily sanitized when the threats of demolition started coming in.

~~~ Here is another reason why we Nigerians just cannot agree that our slummish areas and those of Kenya or other places should be classified as the same.

Picture 1 & 2 are from Mpape WHILE
Picture 3 & 4 are from South Africa & India

You can see the Nigerian slummish houses were built with modern concrete blocks and some are even storey buildings. They have modern toilet facilities in them. Look at the 1st picture, you can see a car parked closed to one of the houses at the center. This tells you that in spite of how closely tight these houses may be, they have motorable roads (even though not tamarced) between them.

*** How on earth will a sensible person classify all these together as the same? A concrete built, well roofed house with a solidly dug foundation? Being liked with houses built with corrugated iron sheets that can collapse with the wind?

Nigerian slumish areas are filled with well built houses built illegally and should not be compared with temporary structures arranged to be called houses.

darfay:



Nigeria has only two official language English and French.
Don't misinform anybody

Read me well. I said Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo are our national languages and not official languages! There are differences between a national and official language.

bigpicture001:
....what is wrong with trumps decision...?

China has refused to operate private companies. Huawei is a govt back company..nd fone being a very high tech device might be used for spying. Nit only fones too...all technology backbone of Huawei is bring disallowed in western countries.

Do u remember when the FBI begged iPhone to unlock the fone of a dead terrorists which d US gunned down in a daylight chase. They wanted to also view his phone to giv them further lead on his gang memebers...the Apple company refused and stood on the victims right on privacy.....

The FBI fought for weeks by employing private hackers b4 d job is done.

Dt cannot happen in china,since the govt own the companies.

Wow, this is interesting.

**** I so much respect western brands for security on privacy rights. Even if Huawei wasn't owned by the chinese govt, I doubt the owner would still decline the govt's efforts at spying through their ware.

tlann:
i was just giving examples those are the biggest tribes in kenya like hausa yoruba igbo are the biggest tribes in Nigeria kenya has Swahili as national language and it is thought in school English is the official language

Hausa, Igbo and Yoruba are not just the 3 biggest Nigerian tribes, they are also officially our national languages just as Swahili is your national language.

**** But why Swahili in Kenya if I may ask? Why not Kikuyu becoming the national language?
Was Swahili always popular hinterland Kenya before colonial times?

RTSC:
Qualcomm, Intel and apple in one single country, in one state.

The US has monopolized the world's wealth.

The US didn't stop you from making your own productions, did they?

OkaNaUbe:
Black vs white hybrid. The new royal child may be black

Imagine if the baby turns up with an afro-like hair.

**** I bet it would be impossible. Even Meghan looks almost white already. The black genes has died, but genetics can sometimes be funny.

This is getting really serious!

tlann:
that is like kenya having three national languages Kikuyu luhya kalenjin as national languages what about minority tribes in Nigeria they must learn yoruba igbo or hausa dont you have a common language like kenya

Hmm what about Luo, Kamba, Kisii etc?

**** No, minorities mostly get by with English/Pidgin english, except in the north where most minorities also speak Hausa as a 2nd language.

tlann:
does Nigeria have a national language ??

3 National languages. Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo.

Nowenuse:


Don't fall for Kikuyu1 or whatever lies he feeds you.

Here is how I differentiate East Africans, it's gonna help you a lot.

Any ugly malnourished east African you see like those marathon runners. It's definitely Kenyan.

Any uncivilized stone age forest dwelling and animal blood drinking East African you see is a Kenyan.

Any beautiful or handsome well behaved, friendly East African you see with a melodious voice is either Tanzanian or Rwandan, but check the forehead, if it's protruded, it's Rwandan.

Any one who fits into neither categories is Ugandan.

Thank me later

Stop this please !

NairobiWalker:


Unfortunately I don't do hypocrites.

I'll change . Anything for you booboo

NairobiWalker:


According to UN, 79% of Nigerians live in slums.
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/partnership/?p=8993


Slums in Abuja include Kpaduma, Mpape, Mabushi Village

Use your google maps dear. Check these places out for yourself, since the ones I took weren't enough for you.

***** If you can show snapshots of these places as slums, I'll tender an unreserved apology to you and all Kenyans here on behalf of myself and all Nigerians.

rvp20183:
Generally they do not marry- except within religious circle - islam.But socialize they will. They are small minority. Somalis are like 3-5% of kenya.Swahilis are not even 0.5%.

Ok, I thought as much.
***** Are there other Kenyan muslims aside the Somalis, Swahilis and Arabs?

I always thought there were up to 6 million swahilis in Kenya. Someone mentioned that somewhere here if I'm not mistaking. Apart from Mombasa & Lamu, where else do Kenyan swahilis dominate?

kikuyu1:


As I said you can't distinguish us and Rwandese;the forehead,eyes,nose,oval face etc, etc. The women however is another story-Tutsi,women have a very specific morphology like 32-23-45 and they're talllllll,even 6" 2',eg Kagames' daughter,Ange is actually 6"5' and the tallest Kyuke female I've ever seen was my height at 6" 3'!! Also as soon as Rwandese females speak you hear sense,not endless ATTITUDE and you know they're not Kikuyus,sorry to say!! That's Kinyarwanda,btw.

Wow, 6"5 on a lady is so amazing.

**** Yeah you are definitely right. Rwandans seem to have a very good educational system. They speak very eloquently and sensibly. I observed that.

Btw, where did that forehead genes originate from? My girlfriend always think everyone with that protruted east African forehead is a Kenyan

>>> Do you understand spoken or written Kinyarwanda? I heard most Bantu languages have a great form of mutual intelligibility.
To me, Kinyarwanda sounds very much like Swahili, especially in Melody.

I can only differentiate Uganda's language in music very well cos it sounds somehow more deeply 'Bantu' like Southern African languages from let's say Zimbabwe.

Nowenuse:


Chai, And I'm supposed to be travelling to Jos next week for the festive period

I'm already as scared as hell ! The last time I was there during christmas few years ago, the temperature was as low as 7°c!
I wish I would remain here in the South.

You better come back to your home state and suffer your cold.
>>>> Once I was in Jos by December/January, I never dared to make that mistake again

I can manage Kaduna pls.

NairobiWalker:


You needed a brainless cheerleader. Just like forgiveness, you can't hold a factual discussion without crying like a baby when you have no brainless cheerleader jumping to everything you say. Congratulations for finding one. He'll be definitely the perfect one for you. Now go ahead and tell as how Kenyans don't groom, are black and ugly and how there are no slums in Nigeria. He'll definitely cheer you on.

Bla bla bla. You talk too much dear

**** That doesn't change the fact that I have a big crush on you ***** My charming Kenyan Knight in shinning armour.

Runalong333:


You seemed pained that she found you guys unattractive .

I think you are right.

**** Ok Dear NairobiWalker, I'm sorry, I find Kenyan guys really really handsome and charming

(whispers into his ears), including you